This show has not been cancelled!!

The premium list for the show put on by the Gainesville Club and held at the
Ocala Dog Show grounds arrived in most exhibitors mail this weekend...with
an important error!!

It lists the Australian Shepherd Club show on Fri and SAt as "cancelled"
This is not true...the Friday show will be held as scheduled  on the Ocala
grounds, but the Sat show has been moved to the SouthEastern Livestock
Pavilion, because of a conflict with the times of the Rally show at the
Ocala grounds.  The Rally part of the show is expected to continue past the
time that BIS ends.  Because an  ASCA function cannot be held at the same
time as an AKC function, we have moved the Sat show to the Livestock
Pavilion.

Linda LaFrance

Lazy L Farms Australian Shepherds
llf@...


Stop in and visit Lazy L Farms  at www.gate.net/~llf

"If you pick up a starving dog and make him prosperous, he will not bite
you. This is the principle difference between a man and a dog"  Mark Twain

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To All

No, I cannot do anything with AussieEdu. Unfortunately Yahoo screwed up
my info and I cannot log on/into that account. I am not happy with
Yahoo. I get an incredible amount of bouncing in all of my accounts and
I have more then enough space in my mailbox to prevent this.  So, you
unfortunately have to live with the problems since I cannot change them.
Sorry, again. But blame Yahoo, not your admin. M

Robert Wheaton wrote:

>to the List Administrator.
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>can you fix the AussieEdu list to not display all the members in the To: field
when sending email to everyone?
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>all the other yahoo lists for Aussie related email does this nicely.  Only
AussieEdu-L displays the entire list.  This is a problem with respect to email
spammers.
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>Please check up on this.  There were a lot of 'naked' addresses displayed on
that last blast from the AussieEdu email.  This is a favorite target for
spammers.  Help protect your members from exposure.
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to the List Administrator.

can you fix the AussieEdu list to not display all the members in the To: field
when sending email to everyone?

all the other yahoo lists for Aussie related email does this nicely.  Only
AussieEdu-L displays the entire list.  This is a problem with respect to email
spammers.

Please check up on this.  There were a lot of 'naked' addresses displayed on
that last blast from the AussieEdu email.  This is a favorite target for
spammers.  Help protect your members from exposure.

We have just come in for the night.  We  still have had no sign of our baby
Drew.  We have only had one possible  sighting and it may have been a larger
dog than him.  There were 7 of us  out till a little while ago. Thanks Guys!
Please keep praying for Drew's  safe return.  We are searching in all
directions.  If anyone wants to  see pictures/info of him they can be found at:
wonderpuppy.net/drew
There is a banner there that you can link your  site back to him.  We will
continue in the morning.  Drew went missing  during the thunderstorms in the
early morning hours of 9/20/05.  Please  pray that he is home safe and sound for
his 5th birthday next week.  I  always take him to Cold Stone Creamery to
celebrate!  This is all very  painfull.  I have never been through something
this
terrible, I feel like  my heart has been ripped out.

Susan
Susan Mace
Rip Roarin' Aussies
DNA Certified  Kennel
Owned by the raw fed Crew:
*Newest  Addition* "REED" RipRoarin'RedSkyz@NiteLyonsbrk, (Aussie Pup)
"SHANE" Somercrest Life N The Fast Lane, (Aussie  Pup)
"DREW" ATCH, Int'l/ASCA CH Cu-D's Light My Fire Riverdance DNA-CP,  (Aussie)
AKC-DNA Profiled, CGC, TT, Therapy Dog, ASCA/AKC CD, AKC Major  Pointed,
RS-E-OP, JS-E-OP, GS-E-OP, O-EAC, EJC, O-EGC, TN-E, TG-O, OA, AXJ,  AHBA-JHDs
2004 ASCA Nationals Agility Finalist, 2005 ASCA  Nationals Agility Finalist
"REESE" Sir Royal Rip Roarin' Red  Reese' (All-American)
CGC, ASCA CD, RS-E-OP, JS-E-OP, GS-E, O-EAC, O-EJC,  EGC, TN-E, TG-N, WV-N,
AAD


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Thank You everyone for your prayers and offers  for help.  We are continuing
our search for our beloved dog Drew.   We were told that we had to get off the
freeway and quit searching the  bushes by the CHP.  We have been up and down
the LA River on foot.  We  have been to each of the local shelters multiple
times.  Our local Animal  Control (Torrance) is in phone contact with us.  We
have many friends  that have been helping us put flyers up and contacting all
the local vets,  kennels, and pet shops.  We have also covered the schools,
libraries,  postal workers, and local neighborhoods.  We also placed a photo ad
in
the  Daily Breeze.  We still have not heard a single  thing.







Drew went missing during  the early morning hours on 9/20/05 During the
thunderstorms
Missing Australian  Shepherd
Dark Silver Blue Merle -  Male
Mostly blue eyes - Fluffy  White Chest
Torrance, CA -  Crenshaw/Artesia
was wearing collar and  tags
is tattooed - 5yrs  old
(310)213-6612

Susan Mace
Rip Roarin' Aussies
DNA Certified  Kennel
Owned by the raw fed Crew:
*Newest  Addition* "REED" RipRoarin'RedSkyz@NiteLyonsbrk, (Aussie Pup)
"SHANE" Somercrest Life N The Fast Lane, (Aussie  Pup)
"DREW" ATCH, Int'l/ASCA CH Cu-D's Light My Fire Riverdance DNA-CP,  (Aussie)
AKC-DNA Profiled, CGC, TT, Therapy Dog, ASCA/AKC CD, AKC Major  Pointed,
RS-E-OP, JS-E-OP, GS-E-OP, O-EAC, EJC, O-EGC, TN-E, TG-O, OA, AXJ,  AHBA-JHDs
2004 ASCA Nationals Agility Finalist, 2005 ASCA  Nationals Agility Finalist
"REESE" Sir Royal Rip Roarin' Red  Reese' (All-American)
CGC, ASCA CD, RS-E-OP, JS-E-OP, GS-E, O-EAC, O-EJC,  EGC, TN-E, TG-N, WV-N,
AAD


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We have not heard a word yet about Drew.  He is out there  somewhere and all
I can do is wish he was home.  We have been out all day  looking for him and
have had several friends help us put up hundreds of  flyers.  Please pray that
he comes home safe and sound  soon.

He went missing in the area of Crenshaw and Artesia in the City of  Torrance.
  He was wearing a leather collar with Id & License  tags.  He is tattooed.
He is a very dark silver blue merle with a  full white collar and white front
legs.  His left rear leg is black.   He does not have much white on his face.

This is not a dog that is prone to running.  We are in total  disbelief that
he is actually missing.  His 5th Birthday is next  week.

Susan

Susan Mace
Rip Roarin' Aussies
DNA Certified  Kennel
Owned by the raw fed Crew:
*Newest  Addition* "REED" RipRoarin'RedSkyz@NiteLyonsbrk, (Aussie Pup)
"SHANE" Somercrest Life N The Fast Lane, (Aussie  Pup)
"DREW" ATCH, Int'l/ASCA CH Cu-D's Light My Fire Riverdance DNA-CP,  (Aussie)
AKC-DNA Profiled, CGC, TT, Therapy Dog, ASCA/AKC CD, AKC Major  Pointed,
RS-E-OP, JS-E-OP, GS-E-OP, O-EAC, EJC, O-EGC, TN-E, TG-O, OA, AXJ,  AHBA-JHDs
2004 ASCA Nationals Agility Finalist, 2005 ASCA  Nationals Agility Finalist
"REESE" Sir Royal Rip Roarin' Red  Reese' (All-American)
CGC, ASCA CD, RS-E-OP, JS-E-OP, GS-E, O-EAC, O-EJC,  EGC, TN-E, TG-N, WV-N,
AAD



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Help!  Sometime last night in the storm Drew went  missing.  I have been
searching for him since 6:30 AM.  He is a blue  merle with copper and white.  He
is my baby and I am desperate to find  him.  I live in Torrance, CA.  He was
wearing a leather collar with  tags and is tattooed.  The is totally not normal
for him, as anyone who  knows him can tell you.
Susan Mace
(310)213-6612

Susan Mace
Rip Roarin' Aussies
DNA Certified  Kennel
Owned by the raw fed Crew:
*Newest  Addition* "REED" RipRoarin'RedSkyz@NiteLyonsbrk, (Aussie Pup)
"SHANE" Somercrest Life N The Fast Lane, (Aussie  Pup)
"DREW" ATCH, Int'l/ASCA CH Cu-D's Light My Fire Riverdance DNA-CP,  (Aussie)
AKC-DNA Profiled, CGC, TT, Therapy Dog, ASCA/AKC CD, AKC Major  Pointed,
RS-E-OP, JS-E-OP, GS-E-OP, O-EAC, EJC, O-EGC, TN-E, TG-O, OA, AXJ,  AHBA-JHDs
2004 ASCA Nationals Agility Finalist, 2005 ASCA  Nationals Agility Finalist
"REESE" Sir Royal Rip Roarin' Red  Reese' (All-American)
CGC, ASCA CD, RS-E-OP, JS-E-OP, GS-E, O-EAC, O-EJC,  EGC, TN-E, TG-N, WV-N,
AAD



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http://home.hiwaay.net/~bar/seamus.html


Thats the boy......I love him no matter what.

Kate

Okay, This is an older dog, (4 yrs) never been shown. not spooky per se but
nervous around men who are overbearing. He has in my opinion a Gorgeous
rear, very correct movement, that sense of humour that I've always
loved(hated) in my aussies and intelligence behind his eyes ( trust me I've
seen some vacant champions!)  BUT he is moderately boned for a male, and
moderately coated for a male, fortunately thats all he inherited from his
mother.....

Anyone able to e-mail me (privately of course, I don't want to upset anyone)
some USA AKC Judges that like a nice tushie on a dog?

Also any opinions on the "Happy Legs" trainers? I don't see them training
anything anymore than standing with a book on your head makes you walk
better without it....... He is doing quite well with click and capture on
his front, using ears , and moving more confidantly with an assistant to
click when he hits the right stride, but his front is slower to align, he is
a little narrow when he gets nervous...?

Any other questions I should be asking?

I finished a Ch. about 6 years ago, and once I turned 17 and went off to
school I didn't have time for the game, things could have changed...



Kate

Hi,
Everyone will have personal preferences, but this is how I decide:
- if the dog is a bit wild, or a puller, or not ring-wise (ie. Doesn't know
how to follow the ring barriers on the go-round, or go straight down and
back), then I use a choke chain.  As someone mentioned, silver for blues and
blacks, gold for reds.  I like the really fine serpentine link.  When you
put the collar on, make sure it's up as high as possible on the dog's neck
and I have the ring under the jaw.  That allows you the maximum control of
the head, and therefore, the rest of the dog.
- if the dog is well trained and I want it to move out in front of me and
possibly lean into the collar a bit, then a martingale works nicely.
Depending on where you live, it can be harder to find really nice fine link
martingales.
If I was only going to have one collar, I'd go with the regular choke chain.
I likely have about 15-20 regular chokes in my tack box and only about 3
martingales.....

For a leash, I use extra light braided kangaroo in a 4' length.  Again, as
someone mentioned, I prefer the loop end as opposed to a snap; it makes a
cleaner picture with less hardware framing the dog's head.
But, if you are just starting out, I'd recommend a very thin, nylon, 3"
leash (with the loop end).  They're super cheap (about $5 compared to the
$40-50 you'll spend on kangaroo), and the 3' length gives you way less to
worry about and keep folded neatly in your hand.  Get a black leash for your
black tri boy.  If he's new to showing, you'll likely be keeping him a
little closer to you and the 3' length will be plenty!

Good Luck!

Shawna Wiebe
www.kinringaussies.com


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From: AussieEdu@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AussieEdu@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Kyttn Rogers

I want to know what you conformation folks show on?  I have an adult male
black tri and I'm debating over a "choke" chain type collar or a
"martingale" type chain, and on a thick or thin leash......


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Subject: still alive?

SO are we in neg post or what?



I want to know what you conformation folks show on? I have an adult male black
tri and I'm debating over a "choke" chain type collar or a "martingale" type
chain, and on a thick or thin leash......



Hi. I show mine in whatever they move best in. Most of mine when they were
younger were shown in a martingale because I feel I have more control over where
they go (I got tripped by a young dog while showing and scared her half to death
and racked my knee). As they get older, I move to a choke. Get a very thin
one--gold for your reds and silver for your blacks and blues. The leash
shouldn't have a clip on it--go for the nylon ones with a hand loop at one end
and a small loop at the other end. Not that a leash makes a doggone bit of
difference, but adds to the overall polished look you're trying to achieve.
Kallie (who is not looking forward to more conformation showing with the new
pups, but look out! when we get to obedience and agility).



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SO are we in neg post or what?



I want to know what you conformation folks show on?  I have an adult male black
tri and I'm debating over a "choke" chain type collar or a "martingale" type
chain, and on a thick or thin leash......



Kate
And Seamus who will be hitting his first show at 4 years.... heheh I don't
expect him to even make the BBX cut, but I love him anyway and I've seen worse
dogs finish...

Anyone else love the Hrdndog.com pedigree search?


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never mind.  have figured out what happened.  will get to the root of the
problem off line.

-----Original Message-----
From: Robert Wheaton <rwheaton@...>
Sent: Sep 8, 2005 3:27 PM
To: AussieEdu@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [AussieEdu] OT: Alert: Katrina Phishing Scammers

ouch.  expect to be spammed soon.

can someone handling the aussie edu list protect us from broadcasting email
addresses in plain text like that.

can this be fixed in the aussieEdu mail list so that individuals are blind
copied instead of exposed like this?  just gives fuel to the Phishing scammers
out there when they grab this type of email and use all the addresses for their
own emailings.






Yahoo! Groups Links

ouch.  expect to be spammed soon.

can someone handling the aussie edu list protect us from broadcasting email
addresses in plain text like that.

can this be fixed in the aussieEdu mail list so that individuals are blind
copied instead of exposed like this?  just gives fuel to the Phishing scammers
out there when they grab this type of email and use all the addresses for their
own emailings.

Alert: Katrina Phishing Scammersfrom the library's IT staff ; People can be
total scumbags...

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From: JKENZIG
Sent: Thu 9/8/2005 8:43 AM
To: All-Mailer
Subject: Alert: Katrina Phishing Scammers
I just wanted to tell and remind staff that there are many scams going on via
email and now many of them are involving the victims of Hurricane Katrina.  One
such scam even makes you think you are donating to the American Red Cross and
attempts to steal your credit card numbers.  There are also many telephone
solicitation scams.
Please remember to be vigilant and not respond to these emails or cold calls. 
Your best way of donating is to send your money directly to the charitable
organizations like the American Red Cross and the Salvation Army. These
organizations offer you a receipt for your donation.

Please see the below article from todays New York Times for some further
information.
Regards,
Jim Kenzig
Network Manager

September 8, 2005
After the Storm, the Swindlers
By TOM ZELLER Jr.
Even as millions of Americans rally to make donations to the victims of
Hurricane Katrina, the Internet is brimming with swindles, come-ons and
opportunistic pandering related to the relief effort in Louisiana, Mississippi
and Alabama. And the frauds are more varied and more numerous than in past
disasters, according to law enforcement officials and online watchdog groups.

Florida's attorney general has already filed a fraud lawsuit against a man who
started one of the earliest networks of Web sites - katrinahelp.com,
katrinadonations.com and others - that stated they were collecting donations for
storm victims.

In Missouri, a much wider constellation of Internet sites - with names like
parishdonations.com and katrinafamilies.com - displayed pictures of the
flood-ravaged South and drove traffic to a single site, InternetDonations.org, a
nonprofit entity with apparent links to white separatist groups.

The registrant of those Web sites was sued by the state of Missouri yesterday
for violating state fund-raising law and for "omitting the material fact that
the ultimate company behind the defendants' Web sites supports white supremacy."

Late yesterday afternoon, the Federal Bureau of Investigation put the number of
Web sites claiming to deal in Katrina information and relief - some legitimate,
others not - at "2,300 and rising." Dozens of suspicious sites claiming links to
legitimate charities are being investigated by state and federal authorities.
Also under investigation are e-mail spam campaigns using the hurricane as a hook
to lure victims to reveal credit card numbers to thieves, as well as fake
hurricane news sites and e-mail "updates" that carry malicious code aimed at
hijacking a victim's computer.

"The numbers are still going up," said Dan Larkin, the chief of the Internet
Crime Complaint Center operated by the F.B.I. in West Virginia. He said that the
amount of suspicious, disaster-related Web activity was higher than the number
of swindles seen online after last year's tsunami in Southeast Asia. "We've got
a much higher volume of sites popping up," he said.

The earliest online frauds began to appear within hours of Katrina's passing.
"It was so fast it was amazing," said Audri Lanford, co-director of
ScamBusters.org, an Internet clearinghouse for information on various forms of
online fraud. "The most interesting thing is the scope," she said. "We do get a
very good feel for the quantity of scams that are out there, and there's no
question that this is huge compared to the tsunami."

By the end of last week, Ms. Landford's group had logged dozens of
Katrina-related swindles and spam schemes. The frauds ranged from opportunistic
marketing (one spam message offered updates on the post-hurricane situation,
with a link that led to a site peddling Viagra) to messages said to be from
victims, or families of victims.

"This letter is in request for any help that you can give," reads one crude
message that was widely distributed online. "My brother and his family have lost
everything they have and come to live with me while they looks for a new job."

Several antivirus software companies have warned of e-mail "hurricane news
updates" that lure users to Web sites capable of infecting computers with a
virus that allows hackers to gain control of their machines. And numerous
swindlers have seeded the Internet with e-mail "phishing" messages that say they
are from real relief agencies, taking recipients to what appear to be legitimate
Web sites, where credit card information is collected from unwitting victims who
think they are donating to hurricane relief.

On Sunday, the Internet security company Websense issued an alert regarding a
phishing campaign that lured users to a Web site in Brazil that was made to look
like a page operated by the Red Cross. Users who submitted their credit card
numbers, expiration dates and personal identification numbers via the Web form
were then redirected to the legitimate Red Cross Web site, making the ruse
difficult to detect. The security company Sophos warned of a similar phishing
campaign on Monday.

"They're tugging at people's heartstrings," said Tom Mazur, a spokesman for the
United States Secret Service. Mr. Mazur said there were "a number of instances
that we're looking into with this type of fraud, both domestically and
overseas," but he would not provide specifics.

The lawsuit filed in Florida last Friday accused Robert E. Moneyhan, a
51-year-old resident of Yulee, Fla., of registering several Katrina-related
domain names - including KatrinaHelp.com, KatrinaDonations.com,
KatrinaRelief.com and KatrinaReliefFund.com - as early as Aug. 28, even before
the hurricane had hit the Louisiana coast.

By Aug. 31, according to the Florida attorney general, Charles J. Crist Jr., Mr.
Moneyhan's sites had begun asking visitors to "share your good fortune with
Hurricane Katrina's victims." A "Donate" button then took payments through a
PayPal account that Mr. Moneyhan had set up.

Mr. Moneyhan did not respond to numerous phone calls and e-mail messages, but
the Web site names in question are now owned by ProjectCare.com, a loose
collection of Web sites that is using the Katrina sites as an information center
for hurricane victims.

Kevin Caruso, the proprietor of ProjectCare.com, said that he had offered to buy
the sites from Mr. Moneyhan on Sept. 2, but that Mr. Moneyhan, distressed over
the lawsuit, simply donated them to Project Care without charge. Mr. Caruso also
said that after several phone conversations, he believed that Mr. Moneyhan, was
"trying to help the Hurricane Katrina survivors, but did not have the experience
to proceed properly."

The lawsuit, however, states that Mr. Moneyhan had tried to sell his collection
of Katrina-related domain names on Sept. 1 "to the highest bidder." The suit
seeks $10,000 in civil penalties and restitution for any consumers who might
have donated to the Web sites while they were controlled by Mr. Moneyhan.

Jay Nixon, the Missouri attorney general, sued to shut one of the more bizarre
fund-raising efforts yesterday. A state circuit court granted a temporary
restraining order against Internet Donations Inc., the entity behind a dozen Web
sites erected over the last several days purporting to collect donations for
victims of Hurricane Katrina.

Also named in the Missouri suit, which seeks monetary penalties from the
defendants, is the apparent operator of the donation sites, Frank Weltner, a St.
Louis resident and radio talk show personality who operates a Web site called
JewWatch.com.

That site - which indexes Adolf Hitler's writings, transcripts of anti-Semitic
radio broadcasts and other materials, according to the Anti-Defamation League -
attracted headlines last year when it appeared at or near the top of Google
search results for the query "Jew." It remains the No. 2 search result today.

Most of Mr. Weltner's Katrina-related Web sites - which include
KatrinaFamilies.com, Katrina-Donations.com, and NewOrleansCharities.com - appear
to have been registered using DomainsByProxy.com, which masks the identity of a
domain registrant.

However, Mr. Weltner's name appeared on public documents obtained through the
Web site of the Missouri secretary of state yesterday. Those indicated that Mr.
Weltner had incorporated Internet Donations as a nonprofit entity last Friday.

The various Web sites, which use similar imagery and slight variations on the
same crude design, all point back to InternetDonations.org. There, visitors
interested in donating to the Red Cross, Salvation Army or other relief
organizations are told that "we can collect it for you in an easy one-stop
location."

It is unclear whether any of the sites successfully drew funds from any donors,
or if Mr. Weltner, who did not respond to e-mail messages and could not be
reached by phone, had channeled any proceeds to the better-known charities named
on his site. But the restraining order issued yesterday enjoins Mr. Weltner and
Internet Donations Inc. from, among other things, charitable fund-raising in
Missouri, and "concealing, suppressing or omitting" the fact that donations
collected were intended "for white victims only."

"It's the lowest of the low when someone solicits funds" this way, Mr. Nixon
said in an interview before announcing the lawsuit. "We don't want one more
penny from well-meaning donors going through this hater."






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----- Original Message -----
From: Tammy Kinkade
To: Show-Me@yahoogroups.com ; purebred_canines@yahoogroups.com ;
ohiodogs@yahoogroups.com ; neo_barf@yahoogroups.com ;
naturallyraisedcanines@yahoogroups.com ; NaturalBerners@yahoogroups.com ;
jstsayno2vaccs@yahoogroups.com ; IndyBARF@yahoogroups.com ;
greatdanerescue@yahoogroups.com ; danetrain@...
Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2005 7:30 PM
Subject: [ohiodogs] UPDATE: HELP needed for the Animals [Katrina]



To do my part for the animal victims of Hurricane Katrina, I'm coordinating
a dog food drive to do a bulk purchase through Pet Food Direct. If anyone in
interested, all the pertinent information is listed on the webpage below.

I've made it a bit easier, for anyone interested in donating... just go to
this webpage! I've had some donations already - my goal is at least 15 bags
of food by Monday. Anyone?

http://www.k9snaturally.com/Katrina.htm

Tammy Kinkade
Eyota Danes - Great Danes "Naturally"
www.eyotadanes.com
Help donate food to Katrina's animal victims
www.k9snaturally.com





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PLEASE CROSS POST!

We have a number of ways to support ARPH, Inc. this year at ASCA Nationals.

POST NATIONALS AGILITY TRIAL ?
To start with, 100% of the proceeds for the post-national agility trial will go
straight back to ARPH!  Entries have poured in so fast we?ve added another
judge, so there?s still plenty of runs left.  Get your entry in now!  Besides
the usual HIT awards, we will have special high scoring awards for rescues, plus
a special recognition for each rescue entered.  The premium is available on the
nationals website. http://www.fcasc.com/Downloads/arphprem.pdf

WORKERS ?
Don?t have a dog to run?  No problem!  We have a number of other ways to help. 
J  GAASC will be making a donation to ARPH for staffing the nationals agility
trial, plus we need help for the ARPH trial.  WE NEED WORKERS ? lots of them ?
and experience isn?t necessary!  Have a spouse or child along for the trip? 
Just an hour or two of their time will make a huge difference!  If you?re new to
agility this is a great way to learn.  Most of the jobs are quite easy, but are
essential for a smoothly run trial.

We?ve already had a number of folks volunteer to help ? THANK YOU!  If you
haven?t entered the trials yet please indicate on your entry if you can help. 
If you already entered but didn?t or are unsure of whether you mentioned
working, please send me an email at funds4aussies@... and I?ll forward your
name to the correct trial secretary.  (If you do not receive a reply within 2-3
days, AOL probably spammed your email.  Please either try again or email me at
work at HSchmeling@...).

Volunteer times will be Tuesday ? Thursday, October 25-37, from 7:30 AM to
afternoon.

DONATIONS ?
Lots of opportunities here, whether you?ll be attending nationals or not. 
Remember that ARPH, Inc. is a 501(c)3 organization so your deductions are tax
deductible.  (See your accountant for specifics).  We are in need of the
following:
Items for the WORKERS RAFFLE.  These do not need to be agility related.  Because
many people are flying, smaller items are preferred.
FOOD for worker meals.  Sandwiches, snacks, pop, water, paper goods, etc would
be greatly appreciated.  I guarantee that a batch of your famous chocolate chip
cookies will be well received!
One-day loan (Thursday) of TABLES, EZUPS, etc.
Items for the rescue aussie participant GOODY BAGS.  Dog cookies, tennis balls,
chew sticks, bandanas, notecards, etc. would all be appreciated.
Cash for general expenses not covered by other sponsorship.  Cash donations of
$50 or more will receive a limited edition T-shirt.  Please contact me for
details.
Donations may be dropped off at the ARPH Rescue booth (be sure to indicate
they?re for the agility trial) or mailed in advance.  If you will be delivering
an item in person please email me at Funds4aussies@... and let me know what
to expect.

SPONSORS ?
Class sponsorships are still available, for very reasonable amounts.  Honor your
special dog by making a sponsorship in his or her name!  The costs of
sponsorships are below:
class/level (ie novice gamblers or elite regular) is just $15 each
High Scoring rescue for each class/level combo is just $25 each
HIT overall is just $50 each (eligible for free T-shirt)
T-SHIRT ADVERTISING ?
We will be doing limited edition T-Shirts for the Thursday workers.  The front
will have a unique aussie agility picture.  The back will have room for several
3?x3? ads.  This is a great way to advertise your company, remember a special
dog, or tactfully brag on your dog's special accomplishment.  Similar T-shirts
are always wildly popular, and this might be the best yet.  So they?re sure to
be worn at many agility trials to come!  The ads are just $75, and include a
free T-shirt.  Please email Ally Bryant at Ally@... for space
availability.

THANK YOUS ?
To the following people/organizations for their support:
GAASC (donated facility)
FCASC (sanctioning fee, equipment, workers)
Ally Bryant (trial secretary extraordinaire!)
Cindy Elliott / Nor Aust Kennels (equipment)
Susan Perry (judge)
The many people who have already committed their time or send a little extra
money in with their entries.  You?re too numerous to mention here but I will
email out a complete listing of everyone after nationals!

Donations of checks or goods should be mailed to:
Allison Bryant
ARPH Benefit agility trial
912 Four Mile Church Rd.
Ball Ground, GA 30107

  Because of time and distance constraints, receipts for donations will not be
completed until nationals.  They will be available that week for pick up in
person, and any unclaimed ones will be mailed.  We thank you for your
understanding!

Thanks to everyone for your support of a great cause!  If you have any questions
please email myself or Ally.  See you in Georgia!

Hope Schmeling
Co-chair ARPH benefit agility trial

Hope
& the Shyraphic Pack
ARCH Shy ARPH 3258, ASCA/AKC CD, TD, NJP, R1CL,RL1X, R2MCL, RL2X, RL3, W-FD/HTM,
W-FD/MF, CGC (legs towards NAP, HCT, W-FDX/HTM, W-FDX/MF, SpCh, ARCHX, RN)
2003 USASA #10 dog 16" Novice Jumpers with Weaves Preferred
APDT Award of Excellence
Nellie RL1, W-FD/HTM, W-FD/MF, CL1-H/S/R (legs towards NAP, CL-1/2/3, RN, ARCH)
Winner 2-day High Combined 2005 WCFO Wag Time Ragtime
Faith (just a pup) RL1


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Granted I know some dogs have less 'manners' then others when it comes
to menses, but in normal obedience classes a dog 'should' be able to
compete with out a problem. That is what proofing is for. BUT - I know
4H is different (I also judge 4H obedience). If a person feels
uncomfortable about it, then they should be able to opt out in 4H only.

Margi

Denise wrote:
> First of all, please note that my e-mail address has changed to:
>
> prairiebluffs@...
>
> My question is kind of a weird one, but it was one that I got asked
> when I was stewarding at a 4-H dog show.  The lady I was stewarding
> with wasn't sure if she could go in the ring for the figure 8 because
> she had just started her menstration, and wasn't sure if that would
> distract the dogs or not.  I told her I wasn't sure, I didn't think it
> made a difference.  So, my question is, have any of you found that
> makes a difference.
>
> Denise Larson
> Roustabout Charmed by Top Rail (aka Gidget)
> www.geocities.com/kell0398
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

First of all, please note that my e-mail address has changed to:

prairiebluffs@...

My question is kind of a weird one, but it was one that I got asked
when I was stewarding at a 4-H dog show.  The lady I was stewarding
with wasn't sure if she could go in the ring for the figure 8 because
she had just started her menstration, and wasn't sure if that would
distract the dogs or not.  I told her I wasn't sure, I didn't think it
made a difference.  So, my question is, have any of you found that
makes a difference.

Denise Larson
Roustabout Charmed by Top Rail (aka Gidget)
www.geocities.com/kell0398

Can anyone recommend a good trainer in the Fairfield, Ohio area?  It's
north of Cincinnati.

Thanks.

Please help bring Enzo home!

Enzo is missing from his home.
He is a year old intact red tri without a collar.

Enzo is lost in the Firestone Park area of Akron, Ohio.

Please call 330-416-4661

Thanks for your help!

Will have to go out and buy this one
                                                          Thanks  Sue

Anyone know who the pretty blue merle is in the pet insurance ad on p.137 of the
April 2005 Better Homes magazine?


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I have more info on Nikki the aussie in need of fostering
ASAP!!!!!!

              She is good with dogs & cats.
              Loves people... her mother is a truck driver so she's seen the
US & loves people.
              Mello with kids.
              Needs meds twice a day, they would be phenobarbital and
potassium bromide.
              Does well on Science Diet Lamb & Rice
              NO.....soft treats or Iams products...something in them cause
her to seize
              Located in Grand Rapids, MI.
              We're looking at only a month of fostering.  We hope to get
Nikki into her new home with her mom as so as possible!


          Ellen E. Kuhn
ASCA Obedience Judge
~Kuhn's Australian Shepherds~
kuhnsaussies@...
www.ctcn.net/~kuhnsaussies

**Please forgive me if this is a repeated post**  As I am franticly trying
to help this dog!!!!

Epi Aussie needs immediate and temporary place to stay until owner gets
moved to save her life..

NEEDED IMMEDIATELY: Temporary foster home for a (5 year old come this
May)...Aussie that has been affected with epi, until the owner can get
moved.

Nikki is a wonderful red tri that is in a LOVING and CARING home.  Nikki was
gotten by Dawn KNOWING that she was an Epi dog, and has been cared for and
loved ever since.

What has changed?  The landlady.  Nikki needs a temporary caring place with
someone that will be able to help this special needs dog, and be sure she
gets her meds until Dawn can get moved.

Dawn's landlady tried to grab Nikki and physically remove her from Dawn's
home to take her to the pound to have her put to sleep.  *Long story & we
wont go there*

This CAN NOT happen.  Nikki and Dawn are pals, and Nikki needs a safe house
until the move is complete.

Dawn lives in MI.  The amount of time Nikki needs a temporary place to stay
is aprox. a month.

Because of her epi, a boarding kennel is OUT of the question.  She needs
someone that will know what to do and follow instructions should a seizure
take place.

Nikki had two days of clustered seizures 5 days ago (March 9th), and prior
to that, her last seizure activity was 5 months ago.  We believe the
seizures started again do to the amount of stress they are experiencing
right now.

If any one can assist this special needs dog temporarily, please contact me
@ kuhnsaussies@...

          Ellen E. Kuhn
ASCA Obedience Judge
~Kuhn's Australian Shepherds~
kuhnsaussies@...

As a breeder though we must realize and live in the reality that,
although we love our dogs, there is NO perfect dog. This is merely a "which
is the lesser of two evils" in YOUR opinion. a "what if" exercise, it helps
one to realize that there is never going to be the perfectly marked bi blue
eyed flashy blue merle that has text perfect front, rear, a sidegait that
silences the audience, and a self stack that makes the judges weep. not only
that but you will NEVER be assured that said dog if it were to be engineered
would be able to pass this on. We must say this bitch has a GREAT rear and
no other glareing faults other than she has a slight pop in front but she
finished so we'll breed her to this ch male who has a wonderful front and an
okay rear and cross our fingers. My mother always said that rears were
easier to fix in a single breeding than fronts. But she has gone  on a steep
croup and "underjaw" phase, I think she may be losing it.

Yes you're reiterating the ideal, but I must say that without luxation in
the hip there would be no extension at all. I feel that you should still be
able to see a slight bend in the knee at the height of extension in a
moderate trot.It should not be flat. I also think that the front toes
shouldn't extend past the nose nor should the back leg extend more than 2
inches off of the ground within extension.

As far as losing the idea of the breed. I can't seem to find the correct
temperment..... the reserved temperment. Everyone has these kissy face
aussies that couldn't discern a peeping tom from a photographer. My parents
have been breeding aussies since the '70s started out with Fairoaks lines.
Since those fairoaks dogs died I've yet to see a dog with the correct
temperment, they are either Schitzy like ACDs or sween and kissy like
goldens >GAG<!

Kate

Hi Phyl,

Thanks for joining in, but from reading through your post, you seem to not
contribute to my questions but rather describe what is ideal. I would hope that
we would know what correct is. My point being, since there has been no perfect
dog born, (though I'm sure many have come close) we, as breeders, will have to
compromise at some stage, and what side is it better to err on?

So from your comments, and emphasis on balance, you would prefer a dog that had
either too much or too little angulation than ideal rather than a dog who had
one half correct and the other under/over angulated ?

> in my opinion, luxation in the hindquarter has nothing to do with the
> 'flying trot'.

This is interesting, because it was from you that I first heard that good
sidegait is often correlated with higher sublaxation. In fact that sublaxation
was almost required for good sidegait.

> I have noticed that dogs lacking in length and lay of croup usually have
> short first and second thighs

I too have noticed that croup length and angle is often (but not always)
associated with matching slope and length of the other bones of the rear.
Obvious perhaps to some, but for a novice like me, a real lightbulb moment.

> the leg swings back and forth like a pendulum with no reach or drive.

I know of quite a few dogs that have rather nice angulation but do not use it.
Like you say, their rear legs just go through the motions. What do you think
would cause this? Could the dog be sickle hocked?

You made several comments in your post implying that if a dog is not perfect,
the person who bred the dog is a bad breeder. There was never any implication in
my posting or any response to my posting thus far that any of us here are
breeding for a particular 'fad' or 'fault', I would hope we know what is
correct, what I am trying to get people's opinion on, is when aiming for
perfection, which fault is 'closer' to ideal.

Can you add to the discussion?

Amanda
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I have found these explanations rather hard to follow, as so much of the
correct movement of the Aussie, comes about from the correct angles (set on)
of the bones, AND the   correct lengths of the bones in the shoulder (upper
arm and shoulder blade), which must be in balance with the correct lengths
and lay of the bones in the hindquarter, where the length and lay of the
croup is of utmost importance.   The croup plays a most important part, as
from here, the drive is transmitted from the hindquarter, as the powerful
short strong well angled hock reaches under the dog propelling it forward,
and the powerful drive travels through the short strong back to the wither
which should be slightly higher that the croup.    The momentum is carried
forward as the correctly angled  forequarter allows for the upper arm and
the shoulder blade to open  as  the length of foreleg reaches forward so
that the front paw drops directly below the nose, as the neck and head  is
outstretched during movment.

So many of our Aussies are too long in body, and the drive from the
hindquarter is lost in a long saggy back.  If the front legs are too short,
and the angles and  lengths of the shoulder blade and upperarm are
incorrect, then the wither will be lower than the croup, and the drive is
hopelessly lost, and the dog moves in an unco-ordinated way as the wither
and forequarter drop.  If a dog is correctly constructed, then it will move
with a very economical gait, but in my opinion, luxation in the hindquarter
has nothing to do with the 'flying trot'.  I have noticed that dogs lacking
in length and lay of croup usually have short first and second thighs, with
a long hock not set on with correct angulation, giving the appearance of an
elephant's rear leg, and in movement, the leg swings back and forth like a
pendulum with no reach or drive.   The angulations are just SO IMPORTANT,
and we as breeders should take the standard more seriously.

The correct Aussie movement is all tied up with the correct angulation of
the forequarter and hindquarter, and without the correct proportions and
ratio of length to height of the dog, then an un-natural movement results.
If correctly constructed and proportioned, then the dog will automatically
be able to 'change gears' fluidly, with no discernable change noticed by the
eye.

The standard must be adhered to, and when one breeds for certain features,
then the whole picture is 'out of cinque' and we hear of the 'flying trot',
dropping on the forehand, too much kick-up behind, hackney gait in the
forequarter, etc. etc.   These are all faults in movement,and as such must
be treated as breeding incorrectly.   The standard is there as a guideline,
and 'fashion' drives breeders to breed certain 'fashionable' features into
their bloodlines to please the judge.   If we are 'dinky-di' breeders, then
we must breed to the standard that was put in place back in the 1950's so
that the Australian Shepherd dog will remain uniform, a medium-sized dog of
moderate bone and proportions, which will allow it to perform the duties for
which it is most admired on the Ranches of America, the supreme working and
companion dog with an undying love for its family.

Phyl Ireland
Sasin Aussies, Qld.
Australia.







----- Original Message -----
From: "Cuebiyar Aussies" <cuebiyar@...>
To: <AussieEdu@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, 17 January 2005 7:26
Subject: Re: [AussieEdu] Digest Number 307


>
>
> Is no-one else going to comment/help?
>
>> the straight shoulder tends to lend a higher reach that comes up off the
>> ground too much.
>
> I find the opposite... I find if the upper arm is better angled than the
> shoulder you still get decent sidegait, but a good shoulder with a
> straighter
> upper arm you can get more lift. Though having said that, I've owned dogs
> with
> both of these 'arrangements' and both have had very pleasing sidegait. The
> worst sidegait seems to be (for me at least) when a dog is unbalanced
> within
> themselves, but has a rear and front assessed individually which is in
> balance.
> I hope you understand what I'm trying to say.
>
>> I feel that the  MASSIVE drive that allows that amazing flying trot is
>> mostly
>> due to the greater luxation in the ball/socket which is dyplasia,
>
> I've heard this from several people over the years. Some of the best
> moving dogs
> over here have HD or high end hipscores, and some of the worst have near
> perfect
> hips, but that's the extremes and when I attribute good/bad movement to a
> dog
> I'm not actually relating that to a flying trot since personally I hate
> that
> type of movement. Most of the dogs in the lines that display the flying
> trot here
> actually have very good scores, and it's these dogs that I see as being
> rather
> stilted as they fall on the forehand, they look to really have to put in
> significant effort to cover the ground. I think there is such a thing as
> being
> too free, there is the need for the breed to be very agile, and this
> extended
> gait does not allow for sudden changes of direction etc
>
>> Do you define a good sidegait as a "lift up into motion" or a "drop down
>> and
>> shift into gear like a porche?"
>
> I believe true Aussie movement is not a "drop down" gait such as a border
> collie
> possesses. They should be more upright. Given they should have less
> angulation
> and length of body this isn't suprising. I'm not sure I'd call it "lift
> up"
> though as mine all flow into gait and don't lift either but remain
> constant. To
> me they should move "on top of the ground".
>
> Some more topics....
>
> * How long should an Aussie's neck be? I've seen a lot of dogs that look
> to have
> not enough and some that look to have too much neck. How much is the
> 'right'
> amount? I assume a 'too short' neck is better than 'too long' as too long
> would
> be weaker?
>
> * What order of preference do you place stuctural features in your
> breeding
> program? Things to include (but not limited to): head, angulation, fronts,
> rears,
> topline, movement, height, length of body etc (note this is not my order!)
>
> Amanda
> _____________________________
> Cuebiyar Australian Shepherds
> "Heart & Soul"
> http://www.cuebiyar.com

Hi

I am still learning about the Aussie so I have taken this e-mail & am going
through it & when I have a comment I will e-mail

BTW my name is Lisa Frederiksen, I live in south Africa & am owned by 1x
Blue Merle aussie, 1x Black & tan Working GSD, 1x Brown Beardie & 1x
Chocolate Toy French Poodle.

I am doing tracking & obedience with the Shepherds - will later on do
manwork. the other 2 are retired & enjoying life.

Bye for now
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From: "Cuebiyar Aussies" <cuebiyar@...>
To: <AussieEdu@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, January 17, 2005 11:26 AM
Subject: Re: [AussieEdu] Digest Number 307


>
>
> Is no-one else going to comment/help?
>
> > the straight shoulder tends to lend a higher reach that comes up off the
> > ground too much.
>
> I find the opposite... I find if the upper arm is better angled than the
> shoulder you still get decent sidegait, but a good shoulder with a
straighter
> upper arm you can get more lift. Though having said that, I've owned dogs
with
> both of these 'arrangements' and both have had very pleasing sidegait. The
> worst sidegait seems to be (for me at least) when a dog is unbalanced
within
> themselves, but has a rear and front assessed individually which is in
balance.
> I hope you understand what I'm trying to say.
>
> > I feel that the  MASSIVE drive that allows that amazing flying trot is
mostly
> > due to the greater luxation in the ball/socket which is dyplasia,
>
> I've heard this from several people over the years. Some of the best
moving dogs
> over here have HD or high end hipscores, and some of the worst have near
perfect
> hips, but that's the extremes and when I attribute good/bad movement to a
dog
> I'm not actually relating that to a flying trot since personally I hate
that
> type of movement. Most of the dogs in the lines that display the flying
trot here
> actually have very good scores, and it's these dogs that I see as being
rather
> stilted as they fall on the forehand, they look to really have to put in
> significant effort to cover the ground. I think there is such a thing as
being
> too free, there is the need for the breed to be very agile, and this
extended
> gait does not allow for sudden changes of direction etc
>
> > Do you define a good sidegait as a "lift up into motion" or a "drop down
and
> > shift into gear like a porche?"
>
> I believe true Aussie movement is not a "drop down" gait such as a border
collie
> possesses. They should be more upright. Given they should have less
angulation
> and length of body this isn't suprising. I'm not sure I'd call it "lift
up"
> though as mine all flow into gait and don't lift either but remain
constant. To
> me they should move "on top of the ground".
>
> Some more topics....
>
> * How long should an Aussie's neck be? I've seen a lot of dogs that look
to have
> not enough and some that look to have too much neck. How much is the
'right'
> amount? I assume a 'too short' neck is better than 'too long' as too long
would
> be weaker?
>
> * What order of preference do you place stuctural features in your
breeding
> program? Things to include (but not limited to): head, angulation, fronts,
rears,
> topline, movement, height, length of body etc (note this is not my order!)
>
> Amanda
> _____________________________
> Cuebiyar Australian Shepherds
> "Heart & Soul"
> http://www.cuebiyar.com
>
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>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Is no-one else going to comment/help?

> the straight shoulder tends to lend a higher reach that comes up off the
> ground too much.

I find the opposite... I find if the upper arm is better angled than the
shoulder you still get decent sidegait, but a good shoulder with a straighter
upper arm you can get more lift. Though having said that, I've owned dogs with
both of these 'arrangements' and both have had very pleasing sidegait. The
worst sidegait seems to be (for me at least) when a dog is unbalanced within
themselves, but has a rear and front assessed individually which is in balance.
I hope you understand what I'm trying to say.

> I feel that the  MASSIVE drive that allows that amazing flying trot is mostly
> due to the greater luxation in the ball/socket which is dyplasia,

I've heard this from several people over the years. Some of the best moving dogs
over here have HD or high end hipscores, and some of the worst have near perfect
hips, but that's the extremes and when I attribute good/bad movement to a dog
I'm not actually relating that to a flying trot since personally I hate that
type of movement. Most of the dogs in the lines that display the flying trot
here
actually have very good scores, and it's these dogs that I see as being rather
stilted as they fall on the forehand, they look to really have to put in
significant effort to cover the ground. I think there is such a thing as being
too free, there is the need for the breed to be very agile, and this extended
gait does not allow for sudden changes of direction etc

> Do you define a good sidegait as a "lift up into motion" or a "drop down and
> shift into gear like a porche?"

I believe true Aussie movement is not a "drop down" gait such as a border collie
possesses. They should be more upright. Given they should have less angulation
and length of body this isn't suprising. I'm not sure I'd call it "lift up"
though as mine all flow into gait and don't lift either but remain constant. To
me they should move "on top of the ground".

Some more topics....

* How long should an Aussie's neck be? I've seen a lot of dogs that look to have
not enough and some that look to have too much neck. How much is the 'right'
amount? I assume a 'too short' neck is better than 'too long' as too long would
be weaker?

* What order of preference do you place stuctural features in your breeding
program? Things to include (but not limited to): head, angulation, fronts,
rears,
topline, movement, height, length of body etc (note this is not my order!)

Amanda
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"Heart & Soul"
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