*The taboo question is how does negative reinforcement(R-) fit into positive reinforcement(R+), clicker training? * * * My apologies to all who have stayed on...
How exciting Neil! I'm glad to be the first to send positive feedback on the resurrection of a fine list! I look forward to discussion on the Laws of Learning...
What she said. Sharon ... Author: Getting to Yes: Clicker Training for Improved Horsemanship To order on Amazon: http://tinyurl.com/2gllcs Email me:...
... For me, the question comes down to 2 points: 1) the definition of +R: which states that SOMETHING is added to increase a behavior. That "something" is not...
... Jord-Ann this is real good. Thank you. I foolishly got on a horse one time after it’s rider got bucked off. This was in a class that I was assisting the...
I've started a dozen replies to both Neil and Jord Ann and I have sent all to the trash can. No sense preaching to the choir. :0) I am concerned, maybe in a...
Hello everyone!! We're Baaaaccckkk!! So I'm going to just jump right in here! ... Sure it is. That 'something' must be appetitive to the animal at that...
... By that do you mean something the animal "wants"? Well, animals are problem-solvers, so underlying all basic motivations wouldn't you find that they are...
... What about the history of horsemanship that is based on the idea that the horse seeks the RELEASE? The pressure (Contact) is ACCEPTED by the horse as an...
... First, Jord-Ann, I want to say that your prior post was great, though I also understand exactly what is 'confusing' about it. It takes a lot of effortful...
I'm a bit puzzled about the seeking of pressure...... Do horses really 'seek' it, or do they simply use whatever pressure comes their way as information and...
I'll weigh in on this, perhaps a bit controversially, on a couple of points. First, I once again will denounce so-called "four quadrants" analysis. There are...
... Absolutely *golden* Barbara. Many many thanks for articulating this so clearly. I'm just getting a foothold on this mountain and doubt I could have...
... and he begins to search for the contact in his halter or bridle, then, later, begins to seek it in order to bascule and lift his back, raise his shoulders...
... that the ... horse as ... wanted- ... contact ... ISN'T. At ... language of ... I think at least part of what's troublesome with the words pressure and...
... Just another thought... I was thinking about what you wrote above and thinking about how lovely this is when it happens and thought of an example that...
... find ... Yes, that's what appetitive means <G>...the opposite of aversive. So, I am still not clear. Are you saying that, for horses, pressure, like food,...
... fills ... seeks ... arousing ... by ... pressure ... (or ... what ... the ... the ... Hi Barbara, Thanks for trying to explain about pressure. My...
... Can be, yes. Read Barbara's post again, and think about the social aspect of the horse in relation to two or more bodies moving in harmony, and the...
... interests ... I thought that is what we were discussing :) Best to start with what is actually reinforcing to the horse according to his ethology. Because...
... according to his ethology <snip> specifically addresses how learning theory, not necessarily clicker training, relates to riding ... Absolutely, this is...
... Perhaps pressure is not a good word to use, since it has only (apparently) an R- or aversive connotation among horsefolks. The dictionary definitions...
... If list members would like to see a stunningly good example of use pressure as information rather than coercion, I recommend the DVD "Elegant Dressage...
... Perfect recommendation, Jord-Ann, for folks to see what I certainly cannot put in to words so well! When I schooled with Neindorff in the early 90's,...
... Most pressure I can think of I apply intentionally is a cue. The aspect of pressure the horse 'seeks' (appetitive to the horse) is always determined by the...
... Glad you've seen this video!! There's not much human "I-Want"edness in evidence here is there? Just careful preparation, and attention to the details of...
Tam, you may cross-post wherever you think it appropriate. Morgan Spector Best Behavior Dog Training NADOI #835N, IAABC/CDBC #406 www.bestbehavior.net ...
Beyond Basics: Equine Clicker TrainingClick to all of you for such a great discussion. And, for trimming your posts. Truly grateful, Dolores No virus found in...
... Thanks to Tam and Neil for the invite to this list. I knew it would be good discussion when the first 4 posts I saw were written by Barbara, Tam, Morgan...
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