I left my dogs with my mom for what should have been a week but turned into a
month. I left her with some chicken and a bag of Nature's Variety raw just to
make it easy. I have 2 dogs, different breeds, ages 4 and 7 and they have
different eating issues so it was impossible to really have her feed them right.
She mostly fed ground turkey and chicken. One dog was eating no bone and just
chicken breast and ground turkey, the other dog mostly ate thighs. Neither had
organs or any EFAS.

I wouldn't think a month is enough time for any major nutritional deficiency but
here's the weirdness....  I am now finding swollen lymph nodes on both these
dogs..especially around the abdomen.


The other thing that really buts me is they've been drinking tap water. The tap
water here is nasty...tastes like flouride and I dont know what else. I wonder
if their lymph system picked up all the toxic junk in it and now it's clogged?
This sounds more likely than some nutrient deficiency...  Or any other ideas?



Thanks
Jen

this study will benefit ALL our dogs. rabies vaccine manufacturers are
not conducting duration of immunity studies so it is left to
independent researchers who truly have our dogs best interest at heart
to see just how long rabies immunity lasts. if you are able please
consider making a donation to this worthy cause on behalf of your
current and future dogs.

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> From: "Peter & Kris Christine" <ledgespring@...>
> Date: November 22, 2009 4:24:27 AM MST
> To: <Chihuahua-owner@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Rabies Challenge Fund--Budget Shortfall
>
> Greetings:
>
> The goal of The Rabies Challenge Fund Charitable Trust is to extend
> the legally required interval for rabies boosters to 5 and then 7
> years, based on the findings of the rabies challenge studies
> currently underway at the University of Wisconsin School of
> Veterinary Medicine.  If the studies’ results demonstrate that the
> rabies vaccine confers 5, and possibly 7, years of immunity, there
> would be a significant impact on controlling rabies and reducing
> adverse reactions associated with the vaccine.
>
> Today I am writing to ask for your help.  The Rabies Challenge Fund
> relies on donations to finance the multi-year challenge studies that
> began in November 2007.  Due to the economic downturn, the Fund has
> a $26,000 shortfall for the third year of the studies, scheduled for
> this fall.  This deficit threatens the future of the research.
>
> Costs for the studies’ third year are $175,000.  Since January, we
> have raised nearly $149,000 of that amount.  Please contribute what
> you can, as soon as you can.  All donations received will be used to
> finance the direct research costs of the rabies challenge studies.
>
> With your help, we can raise the $26,000 necessary to complete the
> third year of the 5 and 7-year rabies challenge studies.  Tax-exempt
> donations can be mailed to The Rabies Challenge Fund, c/o Hemopet,
> 11561 Salinaz Avenue, Garden Grove, CA 92843.  Credit card donations
> can be phoned in to Hemopet (specify they are for The Rabies
> Challenge Fund) by calling (714) 891-2022, ext. 13.
>
>             Thank you for your support of this important work.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Kris L. Christine
> Founder, Co-Trustee
> The Rabies Challenge Fund
> www.RabiesChallengeFund.org
> http://www.facebook.com/home.php#/pages/The-Rabies-Challenge-Fund/
> 119106981159?ref=ts
> ledgespring@...
>
> Successful efforts by The Rabies Challenge Fund leading to changes
> in state rabies laws/municipal ordinances to the 3 year national
> standard:
>
>                                                 Cheyenne, Wyoming
>                                                 Wichita, Kansas
>                                                 State of Alabama
>                                                 State of Arkansas
>                                      State of Maine
>                                                 State of Rhode Island
>
> The Rabies Challenge Fund Charitable Trust is a 501(c)(3) charitable
> organization [Fed. EIN # 84-6390682].








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--- In BeyondVaccination@yahoogroups.com, "barbboo007" <BarbBoo@...> wrote:
>
> I attended Jean Dodds' seminar and she told us 1 yr & 3 ARE the same and the
'old' 1 year lasted for 3 yrs anyway. In Canada ours our labeled 3 yr.
>

Absolutely corect.  With the exception of the 1 year merial rabies vaccine for
cats, all other rabies vaccines are essentially the same.  Be careful though,
because federal regulation sets the DOI for rabies vaccines, if your dog is
given the "1 year" version, the DOI is only one year, even though the vaccines
are the same.  The label governs.

Jennifer

I attended Jean Dodds' seminar and she told us 1 yr & 3 ARE the same and the
'old' 1 year lasted for 3 yrs anyway. In Canada ours our labeled 3 yr.

I'm glad to pass on the info,  I am fed up with some vets miss quoting the the
laws to add $$ to their pockets!!
In fact, I picked up my dogs records from my soon to be "ex" vet today on my way
home from the Ocala dog show today.  I'm taking them to a consult interview with
a new vet that has come highly recommended by other performance dog folks.
                                       Linda
                                   CH Shana's Bbonded-n-Insured UD RA
                                        Standard Schnauzer

I dont know about the heart worm one--which is for treatment not
prevention. But I do know their kennel koff is great from experience and that 
their
parvaid is great for parvo treatment. I don't use heartworm prevention as
their risks are low but if they did by chance get it I would either try the
HWF  as you mentioned or just treat with the heartguard as many people  do.

Ruth



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If I'd had this on Saturday, I would have had the strength I think, to
stand firm on my first decision to NOT vaccinate my dear dog...but now that I
do  have it, I will save it....I have several others who have their 3 yr
shots and  will stand firm on this authority that clearly states...yearly vaccs
are NOT  required except in post exposure epidemic incidents....Thank you so
much...I  couldn't find this and I really am grateful that you have been
able to and were  kind enough to send it. I am giving the link to many of my
friends now.
Deb


-----Original  Message-----
From: _BeyondVaccination@BeyondVaccinBey_
(mailto:BeyondVaccination@yahoogroups.com)
[mailto:_BeyondVaccination@BeyondVaccinBey_
(mailto:BeyondVaccination@yahoogroups.com) ]  On Behalf Of BetsyPup

Here's the link

_http://www.doh.http://wwhttp://www.doh.http://wwhttp://www.doh.http://www.d
_
(http://www.doh.state.fl.us/Environment/medicine/rabies/Documents/RabiesGuide)
2009.pdf

I'm forwarding the following text from the group archives.  Elinda posted it
back in July, it was originally written by the group owner, Christie Keith.
I think you'll find it interesting.

I worry about the safety of "natural" heart worm treatments even more than I
worry about the safety of conventional ones.  They are unregulated and by
definition must use toxic substances in order to kill blood born parasites.
I also think their efficacy is hit or miss.  I was in your shoes once upon a
time and I gambled with my dog's health for a while out of fear, eventually
I came to the conclusion that heart worm really is not something to mess
around with and the use of Heartguard or Interceptor is the lesser evil.  I
feed raw, follow minimal vaccination, use natural cleaners, don't use
topical flea and tick treatments, but I *do* use conventional heartworm
preventative.

On Dec 12, 2005, at 11:04 PM, Christie Keith wrote:

>> Usually an animal out of instinct will not touch something that is
dangerous to it but helpful. <<

I don't argue this is often true, but many dogs do in fact eat things
that
are extremely harmful, even fatally so. But that's not the real
problem. The
real problem is that WE are giving our dogs these powerful herbs. They
are
not seeking them out, by instinct. We decide the source, the dose, the
frequency. Based on what you yourself observed is an absolute lack of
evidence.

> Yes many side effects are minor they say, but it is still an
> insecticide.

So is black walnut (or more accurately about both, anthelmintics,
which kill
worms, since heartworms are not insects and ivermectin doesn't kill
insects).

> Artimesia has found to kill malaria in the blood in a new
> research project out of Africa.

Artemisia is a family containing over ONE HUNDRED EIGHTY DIFFERENT
SPECIES
OF PLANT. The species of artemisia used to treat malaria is not the
same one
used in folk medicine for intestinal worms, so these two things have
no real
relationship to each other. There are two different artemisias in the
"herbal formula" you reference later on, and neither of them (mugwort
and
wormwood) are the same as the artemisia used on malaria, which is sweet
woodruff.

Furthermore, heartworms ARE NOT INTESTINAL WORMS!!!!!!! Both black
walnut
and wormwood are used in traditional medicine for INTESTINAL worms.
Your own
comment about black walnut "cleaning dogs out" is demonstrative of that.

> Here is a woman who cured her dog of heart worms with
> Black walnut and Artemisia after a vet told her there was no chance
> for her dog.

And yet if you read some of the stories that actually have enough
information to evaluate (most don't), the dog Buddy was on monthly
Heartgard
for many, many months while being treated with first immiticide and
then the
herbal treatment. Monthly Heartgard has been shown over and over in
studies
to kill adult heartworms over a period of several months. Also, while he
still tested heartworm antigen positive six months after immiticide
treatment, it's not at all out of the realm of possibility he was just
that,
antigen positive, but free of the worms. Sometimes it takes a long
time for
the test to become negative after the worms are cleared. He may not
have had
heartworm AT ALL at the time of beginning the Heartgard/herbal
treatment.

Another dog, Sasha, was said to have a "full blown case of heartworm"
for
6-7 years, and now, after the herbal treatment, to be cured. Guess what?
That is the lifespan of a heartworm. They most likely died of old age.
Someone else asked in theirs "how could all the worms die at the same
time?"
if that was so, but heartworms cannot reproduce in the dog, so you won't
have any more worms unless you are actually re-infected. And even
then, the
presence of worms in the dog may mean your dog is immune for a short
time to
further infection with new heartworms (this type of immunity is only
partial, but it can sometimes work protectively). So it's entirely
possible
for "all" the worms to be exactly the same age, and in some
circumstances,
it's actually LIKELY.

The dog Mya was treated with Immiticide but only once due to a heart
problem
(at least two shots are supposedly required), and became negative to the
surprise of the vet, and the owner attributed this to the herbal
program.
But my dog Raven also became heartworm negative after one Immiticide
treatment, and she was not on the herbal program.

Many of these stories are of dogs just starting on the treatment, and
not
yet having completed it, with no information on whether or not they
are even
getting their heartworms cleared by any means.

Furthermore, these stories only contrast an herbal formula for the
treatment
of heartworm infestation, not the PREVENTION of heartworm. These
testimonials are being offered for the herbal program as an
alternative not
to Heartgard as a preventative, but Immiticide as a treatment. These
are two
totally different things.

Whether or not black walnut, wormwood, or any other herbs will kill
heartworm, I don't know. No one knows. There are way, way too many
variables
here to know. But I assure you, if you follow one of the links on the
very
website you gave for the herbal treatment, it sends you to a page about
veterinary botanical medicine on which the side effects of black
walnut are
listed, and they are EVERY BIT AS FEARFUL AS THE ONES YOU CITE FOR
IVERMECTIN!

As to whether or not there is an herbal formula that can be as
effective as
ivermectin in PREVENTING heartworm, I certainly think it's possible,
but no
one knows that either. We DO know ivermectin will do it, in what
doses, and
what the risks and side effects are. More than a billion doses of
Heartgard
have been given to dogs, and even assuming VAST under-reporting of side
effects, there really is no evidence of a major toxicity problem with
this
drug. I believe that most of the ill health you cite in dogs is far
more to
be attributed to bad breeding, bad diet, and improper veterinary care
and
husbandry on the part of the owners, than heartworm preventative
medications.

I do agree that at some point the critical mass of drugs, chemicals,
pesticides, pollution, bad food, etc becomes overwhelming to our dogs'
immune systems, and I have no doubt Heartgard is part of that critical
mass.
I just don't think it's all that important a part. I believe that a
normal
dog on a good diet, getting clean water, love, mental stimulation, and
living in not-too-polluted of an environment, will not be unduly
harmed by
Heartgard. I therefore feel that the best thing to do is focus on
those much
more important and crucial factors and not get carried away in anxiety
over
a relatively minor one.

Christie Keith
Caber Feidh Scottish Deerhounds
Raising Our Dogs Holistically Since 1986
http://www.caberfeidh.com/
http://doggedblog.com/


On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 10:58 PM, Deanna <djana413@...> wrote:

>
>
> Is anyone familiar with these products and are they effective for treating
> heartworm naturally?
>
> http://www.heartwormfree.com/heartworm_free.htm
>
>


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Thank you!

Sharyn & Cedar the Golden nudge
Princess Friday the feline imp
St. Cassie (at the Bridge, 1988-2000)

-----Original Message-----
From: BeyondVaccination@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:BeyondVaccination@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of BetsyPup

Here's the link

http://www.doh.state.fl.us/Environment/medicine/rabies/Documents/RabiesGuide
2009.pdf

I couldn't get the link to your homeopath to work. Could you resend?


Sure:  www.homeopathyfortheanimals.com


*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
Linda Walker // Parma, MI
www.SunapeeAkitas.com/
Ask me about RAWnHEALTHY feeding!
http://www.sunapeeakitas.homestead.com/RawNHealthy.html



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I couldn't get the link to your homeopath to work.  Could you resend?
Thanks.  --Judy

----- Original Message -----
> In a message dated 11/11/2009 10:57:47 A.M. Central Standard Time,
> sunapeedog@... writes:
>
> I'd  advise consulting with a GOOD classical homeopathic vet. There are
> very few in  that category, IMO.
>
> This is mine:  www.homeopathyforthThis is mThis

Here's the link

http://www.doh.state.fl.us/Environment/medicine/rabies/Documents/RabiesGuide2009\
.pdf

was it Silicea?


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Just because a vet bills him/herself as holistic doesn't mean they s/he
knows squat about homeopathy.  That said, if the vet took the case properly
and came up with Thuja as the remedy of choice, that is a proper use of
homeopathy.

Miz Cedar once got a weird cough and swollen glands in her neck.  I did a
phone consult with my homeopath and she prescribed a remedy (which I had in
stock...I have hundreds).  I gave it to Miz Cedar and within 10 minutes she
coughed up a horrible piece of sharp cooked bone.  Have no idea where she
got it.  The cough and swollen glands in her neck disappeared shortly after.
When I looked up the remedy, it's the one "routinely" used for kennel
cough.<G>

Sharyn & Cedar the Golden nudge
Princess Friday the feline imp
St. Cassie (at the Bridge, 1988-2000)

-----Original Message-----
From: BeyondVaccination@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:BeyondVaccination@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of SnowDancer5@...

yes, a holistic vet i consulted by phone is the one that prescribed the
thuja the day of the vax.

thank you so much for sharing this info
Joyce


In a message dated 11/11/2009 10:57:47 A.M. Central Standard Time,
sunapeedog@... writes:

I'd  advise consulting with a GOOD classical homeopathic vet. There are
very few in  that category, IMO.

This is mine:  www.homeopathyforthThis is mThis




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yes, a holistic vet i consulted by phone is the one that prescribed the
thuja the day of the vax.
Joyce


In a message dated 11/11/2009 11:03:30 A.M. Central Standard Time,
cedarzmom@... writes:

Using  Thuja in this preventative manner for *any* vax is not proper
homeopathic  procedure.

That said...lots of people do  it.





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Using Thuja in this preventative manner for *any* vax is not proper
homeopathic procedure.

That said...lots of people do it.

Sharyn & Cedar the Golden nudge
Princess Friday the feline imp
St. Cassie (at the Bridge, 1988-2000)

-----Original Message-----
From: BeyondVaccination@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:BeyondVaccination@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of SnowDancer5@...

I was told to use thuja on the day of rabies vax-is that the same for any
vax?

Would you post that link, please?  Since I moved from PA (where the law was
easily findable), I've had no luck finding the Florida statutes, either
state or local.  Thanks!

Sharyn & Cedar the Golden nudge
Princess Friday the feline imp
St. Cassie (at the Bridge, 1988-2000)

-----Original Message-----
From: BeyondVaccination@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:BeyondVaccination@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of BetsyPup

I have read the Fl state statute regarding rabies vac and it plainly states
no county can over ride the state in requiring vac more often that the
manufacture recommends for the vac.
If I have a problem in the future with my dogs, I will choose to fight and
get a lawyer!

I was told to use thuja on the day of rabies vax-is that the same for any
vax?




That's an allopathic way to use homeopathy, and it is not correct.  Won't do any
good either, IMO.  Homeopathy needs to be prescribed to treat the dog's symptom
picture, rather than taken as a precautionary.

I'd advise consulting with a GOOD classical homeopathic vet.  There are very few
in that category, IMO.

This is mine:  www.homeopathyfortheanimals.com

*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
Linda Walker // Parma, MI
www.SunapeeAkitas.com/
Ask me about RAWnHEALTHY feeding!
http://www.sunapeeakitas.homestead.com/RawNHealthy.html




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I was told to use thuja on the day of rabies vax-is that the same for any
vax?
Joyce


In a message dated 11/10/2009 6:44:18 P.M. Central Standard Time,
dalo488@... writes:

May I  add, that there are homeopathic remedies to east the stress of
vaccines?




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Hello,  I'm new here in Central Florida, but went thru this same situation while
staying in Tn. 2 summers ago.  I found good into from a local rabies challenge
group up there via the internet.
And was able to find a vet who would give the 3 yr vac and also WRITE the
certificate as a THREE YR.
I did some research and called the company who makes the rabies vac (can't
recall the name now) and was told by them that they ONLY make a 3 yr vac,  and
that they relabel the 3 yr as a 1 yr.  IT IS THE SAME VACCINE!!!!!!!!
The first vet I saw in TN actually admitted that it was a 3 yr vac even though
they would only write a one yr cert.  She said it was the only way they could
get most of their clients to come in for their yearly check up.  What a bunch of
CRAP!!!!!
I ended up drving 90 miles to the vet who would write the 3 yr cert.
I have read the Fl state statute regarding rabies vac and it plainly states no
county can over ride the state in requiring vac more often that the manufacture
recommends for the vac.
If I have a problem in the future with my dogs, I will choose to fight and get a
lawyer!

Is anyone familiar with these products and are they effective for treating
heartworm naturally?

http://www.heartwormfree.com/heartworm_free.htm

Thanks,
Deanna

May I add, that there are homeopathic remedies to east the stress of
vaccines?
Ask a holistic vet for that information, it could help
good luck!
kisses and hugs to your dog!
Pat
www.andironspots.com


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Deb -

I really hope you don't beat yourself up over giving the vaccine. I think that
you made a VERY wise choice by vaccinating her as there are MUCH MUCH MUCH worse
things that could happen to your dog (and being taken from you is at the top of
the list if you ask me). Don't waste any more energy worrying about the vaccine
and from now on just promise yourself and her that you'll enjoy each day that
you have together!

Take care,
Kristi

--- In BeyondVaccination@yahoogroups.com, xcaliburfarm@... wrote:
>
> You don't know what this has done to my own heart.

You don't know what this has done to my own heart. I've shed many tears over her
during the past year when she has been down and unable to stand, her life slowly
slipping away due to a clot passing through somewhere. Each time, she would be
down for almost 2 weeks and then would one day be completely normal again...as
suddenly as the incident had begun, it had ended. I was told she would probably
not make it to see her second birthday...she is just turning three this month.
I've kept her on a natural diet to prolong her life and this whole legistlative
push to force people to vaccinate their dogs really rubs me the wrong way. Every
time I place my hand upon the paw placed into my lap, I have to beg her to
forgive me...knowing full well she does. We will enjoy the presence of one
another in our lives as long as that may be. Thank you for expressing my own
sentiment re: the issue for the inside of my brain yelled the exact same words
you issued but the 'powers that be' forced my hand on this. A fox that lives out
here somewhere nearby has been seen in bad health...mangey and thin...and
because the animal was reported as being seen, the 'powers' were out to check on
the status of my dogs. Even though they claim the county over-rules the state
law, the state law indicated that the county could only superimpose their law
POST rabies incident. And they told me that meant taking her from me,
quarantining her at a facility for up to six months and vaccinating her with as
many as 3 rabies vaccines once in their custody...as they have done with one
other dog recently. These 'scare tactics' broke my own will to resist as I could
well imagine how much more she would have suffered in their care than she would
suffer now in mine. Deb


-----Original Message-----
From: book_lover_98 <book_lover_98@...>
  I would have also contacted the vaccine manufacturer to ask if they would
recommend a dog with this type of chronic problem be vaccinated with their
product. I can bet

Read the insert that comes with the vaccine, it says only to be used on
HEALTHY animals. Please find a vet who'll waiver it, this is just unfair!
Cazz
book_lover_98 wrote:
>
>
> [moderator note: blessed are those who trim their posts. this one was
> done for you. please trim your replies in the future. thanks]
>
> Wow! I would have taken my dog and left that vet immediately. No dog
> of mine with a GRADE 5 HEART MURMUR would have received any
> vaccination no matter what the law. I would have also contacted the
> vaccine manufacturer to ask if they would recommend a dog with this
> type of chronic problem be vaccinated with their product. I can bet
> they would have said NO and I would have shown that to the vet!
>
> I would keep this dog indoors and away from anyone if I couldn't find
> a vet who would give me a waiver for this. Absolutely no more vaccines
> for this dog if she were mine.
>
> I'm sorry to hear that you had to go through this and hope your dog
> continues to grace your life for as long as her heart will allow.
>
> Regards,
> Stephanie
>
> --
>

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you. please trim your replies in the future. thanks]


Wow! I would have taken my dog and left that vet immediately. No dog of mine
with a GRADE 5 HEART MURMUR would have received any vaccination no matter what
the law. I would have also contacted the vaccine manufacturer to ask if they
would recommend a dog with this type of chronic problem be vaccinated with their
product. I can bet they would have said NO and I would have shown that to the
vet!

I would keep this dog indoors and away from anyone if I couldn't find a vet who
would give me a waiver for this. Absolutely no more vaccines for this dog if she
were mine.

I'm sorry to hear that you had to go through this and hope your dog continues to
grace your life for as long as her heart will allow.

Regards,
Stephanie

--- In BeyondVaccination@yahoogroups.com, xcaliburfarm@... wrote:
>
> Well, just to make the report....my coming three year old GSD was required by
county law to receive her yearly Rabies...as per the county law, not the state
which allows for her three year rabies to  be good for three years...and before
the vet injected her, she confirmed she had a grade 5 heart murmur...with grade
6 being dead.

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Hi Deb,
I'm so sorry to hear that.  I still haven't been able to confirm what
Sarasota County requires.  I think if they are requiring the yearly vac, I'm
going to tell them I sold the dog out of state or something - that or give
them the address of our property in Charlotte County and get a Charlotte
County tag!
Pat

----- Original Message -----
From: <xcaliburfarm@...>

> Well, just to make the report....my coming three year old GSD was required
> by county law to receive her yearly Rabies...as per the county law, not
> the state which allows for her three year rabies to  be good for three
> years...and before the vet injected her, she confirmed she had a grade 5
> heart murmur...with grade 6 being dead.

Hi

My two cents.

When my then 9 month old Doberboy, Dilan, was castrated in May this year, they
gave my Rimadyl to give to him for three days.  The first thing I did was throw
the Rimadyl away as dogs have had very bad reactions to this drug and it has
also killed a few.  The second thing I did was start to give him Arnica Montana.

He received five small pellets every three hours for the fist day, every four
hours the second and third day.  He did not really seem to need them as he got
around really well and never complainded, but I just wanted to make sure.  He
never worriied his sore and I would have liked to put Vitamin E oil on it to
keep it moist and help healing, but he would not allow it.

When my male cats were castrated, neither one showed any discomfort whatsoever
and never needed anything.

Dagmar



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>
>
> < I don't know if any of you subscribe to the Dr. Mercola newsletter, but
> the newest one had something in
> there that said they're working on a vaccine for nicotine cessation and
> obesity (for people, not dogs...;-)). What a joke....
>
> Marita & JaDe>
>
> The sad part is that people will jump to get those vaccinations, thinking
> they really work!!!!!  >
> Marion



The real problem here (IMO, of course!) is that they keep insisting that
these things are valid, so people keep believing it.  It becomes a "tiger by
the tail" sort of cycle, with no one willing to let go first.  As long as
people believe it, the pharmaceutical companies will continue to produce.
As long as they continue to produce, people will believe the companies are
producing something valid.
Yuck.

On a more positive note, however, I am noticing more and more people
beginning to wake up and ask questions.  yay!!
Now, if only they would ask why the FDA is even still in existence, we could
make some ~real~ progress!

Ev
"A hundred million miracles are happening every day!"