From: Usaid <reddevil_2k2@...>
Subject: Re: [BSP] Clear Taxes Body
To: BudgerigarSocietyofPakistan@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, November 23, 2009, 3:21 PM

 

Dear Badar

As a fancier,you are entitled to your opinion so never hesitate about contributing on this forum or sharing with others.
Whatever you like,i would advise you to read about that since it will help you a lot
furthermore
instead of saving info as betty files,nigel files
I will suggest that you save info in terms of topics.Make folders like genetics,breeding, disease and put the articles there with names of their contributors

this way if you need to check anything in a particular topic then you can open the particular folder rather than having to search all betty files,nigel files,habib files for the concerned thing.
It will save your time
regards
Usaid Ahmed

--- In BudgerigarSocietyof Pakistan@ yahoogroups. com, bader nouman <badernouman@ ...> wrote:
>
> Hi Habib Bhai
> Â
> I am not a Senior, but love Clearbodies, I have read very little about them.
> And that's a great cock with great stance & promising quality that you buyed ( I think you are talking about that cock which hatched in April 2009).
> You should put her with your best normal hen, that way you will get 50% normal/clearbody cocks and 50% clearbody hens.
> Â
> Best of luck with that Cock
> Â
> Bader Nouman
> Â
>

I noted your advice in Usaid files Hehee he hee .

From: Usaid <reddevil_2k2@...>
Subject: Re: [BSP] Clear Taxes Body
To: BudgerigarSocietyofPakistan@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, 23 November, 2009, 3:21 PM

 

Dear Badar

As a fancier,you are entitled to your opinion so never hesitate about contributing on this forum or sharing with others.
Whatever you like,i would advise you to read about that since it will help you a lot
furthermore
instead of saving info as betty files,nigel files
I will suggest that you save info in terms of topics.Make folders like genetics,breeding, disease and put the articles there with names of their contributors

this way if you need to check anything in a particular topic then you can open the particular folder rather than having to search all betty files,nigel files,habib files for the concerned thing.
It will save your time
regards
Usaid Ahmed

--- In BudgerigarSocietyof Pakistan@ yahoogroups. com, bader nouman <badernouman@ ...> wrote:
>
> Hi Habib Bhai
> Â
> I am not a Senior, but love Clearbodies, I have read very little about them.
> And that's a great cock with great stance & promising quality that you buyed ( I think you are talking about that cock which hatched in April 2009).
> You should put her with your best normal hen, that way you will get 50% normal/clearbody cocks and 50% clearbody hens.
> Â
> Best of luck with that Cock
> Â
> Bader Nouman
> Â
>

From: Kamran Khan <kamxpert@...>
Subject: Re: [BSP] Re: Round Stick/Perch
To: BudgerigarSocietyofPakistan@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, November 23, 2009, 3:35 PM

 

Usaid I visited Sunday market, could not find. Kamran --- On Mon, 11/23/09, Usaid <reddevil_2k2@ hotmail.com> wrote: From: Usaid <reddevil_2k2@ hotmail.com> Subject: [BSP] Re: Round Stick/Perch To: BudgerigarSocietyof Pakistan@ yahoogroups. com Date: Monday, November 23, 2009, 3:10 PM   you can buy them from the same place where you go on Sunday and get to meet Farhan,Ali Hassan,Imran, Ikhlaq and others that is the Sunday Birds Market --- In BudgerigarSocietyof Pakistan@ yahoogroups. com, Kamran Khan <kamxpert@.. .> wrote: > > > Hi Friends > > Can anybody tell me from where in karachi i can get round standing sticks for budgerigars ??? > > Regards > Kamran >

From: Usaid <reddevil_2k2@...>
Subject: [BSP] Re: Round Stick/Perch
To: BudgerigarSocietyofPakistan@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, November 23, 2009, 3:10 PM

 

you can buy them from the same place where you go on Sunday and get to meet Farhan,Ali Hassan,Imran, Ikhlaq and others

that is the Sunday Birds Market

--- In BudgerigarSocietyof Pakistan@ yahoogroups. com, Kamran Khan <kamxpert@.. .> wrote:
>
>
> Hi Friends
>
> Can anybody tell me from where in karachi i can get round standing sticks for budgerigars ???
>
> Regards
> Kamran
>

From: Habib-Ur-Rehman <thelpg@...>
Subject: [BSP] Clear Taxes Body
To: "Naveed Ijaz" <BudgerigarSocietyofPakistan@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Monday, 23 November, 2009, 1:45 PM

 

Hi Friends Will you guide me i have just bought a one beautiful cock from the Gerd ( CTB ) and i have no INO hen ..than what you will suggest for the best breeding results without getting any complex. Kindest Regards Habib

From: Betty <gerberry1@...>
Subject: Re: [BSP] Texas Body [1 Attachment]
To: BudgerigarSocietyofPakistan@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, November 23, 2009, 2:13 PM

 

This document will put you right, I find it is very useful. Another one for the data base on BSP. You don't need Ino hens, normals, and opalines will do the same job and probably better. This document gives you what you will get out of the matings.   Regards Betty    -------Original Message----- --   From: Habib-Ur-Rehman Date: 23/11/2009 7:49:01 PM To: Naveed Ijaz Subject: [BSP] Clear Taxes Body     Hi Friends Will you guide me i have just bought a one beautiful cock from the Gerd ( CTB ) and i have no INO hen ..than what you will suggest for the best breeding results without getting any complex. Kindest Regards Habib

From: Usaid <reddevil_2k2@...>
Subject: Re: [BSP] Birds lost at Welsh show,
To: BudgerigarSocietyofPakistan@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, November 21, 2009, 3:55 PM

 

it could have been a gas leak or some spray but i think the people there could have smelled it too

its a pity that the fancier lost his clearbodies and best crest birds
thats a total wipeout of all the hardwork he did

considering the fact that Australia doesnt allow imports
i feel more for this guy and others as they have to start from scratch

a similar thing happened in dec 2007 when javed bhai lost his major bids due to an incident but he was able to build up his numbers by buying newer birds to go along with the survivors

Perhaps Doctor ROb can perform autopsy on the casualties to see what went wrong with them

best of luck to all those who suffered from this gas leak accident
i really feel for them
regards
Usaid Ahmed

--- In BudgerigarSocietyof Pakistan@ yahoogroups. com, "Betty" <gerberry1@. ..> wrote:
>
> Hi Nigel
> Perhaps we will hear what it is eventually, couple of suggestions from Rob
> Marshall and Ross Perry and one that stood out, they use the bio- security
> stuff and if I remember spray it around. May have made it up too strong and
> if it is made up too strong, can kill the birds.
>
> We have to be so careful. When you hear the final outcome, let me know.
>
> I was also wondering whether there were some animal lib people around who
> may have sprayed something around when people were not looking.
>
> Regards
> Betty
>
>

From: Usaid <reddevil_2k2@...>
Subject: Re: [BSP] Hen Eating own Eggs
To: BudgerigarSocietyofPakistan@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, November 21, 2009, 3:51 PM

 

I only saw clay pots at your home
so what are these clay nestboxes

can you share pictures

I am one of those who shifted to nestboxes from clay pots and i firmly advocate the use of nestbox since it provides better chance of survival to the youngest siblings
regards
USaid Ahmed

--- In BudgerigarSocietyof Pakistan@ yahoogroups. com, Habib-Ur-Rehman <thelpg@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Betty
> agree with your advice but its an art to breed in the clay nest box and may its Luck factor
> with me! beyond my worst exPeRieNcE and i spin my experience with the knowledge with you specially and i accept learn a lot in short span of time under limited resource..although i was really blind before this?
> Once again thanks Betty and noted.
> Best Regards
> Habib
>

From: Usaid <reddevil_2k2@...>
Subject: Re: [BSP] Miniature Budgerigars
To: BudgerigarSocietyofPakistan@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, November 21, 2009, 3:58 PM

 

buy a syringe
remove its needle and insert a plastic tube(ones which are used for blood tranfusion)
to act as a home made crop needle

for the soft food
i suggest mixing a table spoon each of cerelac three fruits mix and millet flour(bajray ka atta) with half glass water
this soft mix can be safely given to any bird since every bird shop guy in karachi uses this mix for handfeeding chicks

i myself used this technique to feed alexandrine chick 3 years ago which now has grown into a beautiful hand tamed male
the picture is present as display picture in facebook where it is sitting on my shoulder

regards
USaid Ahmed

--- In BudgerigarSocietyof Pakistan@ yahoogroups. com, "Betty" <gerberry1@. ..> wrote:
>
> Hi Bader
> It could be that you were a novice in these things, and did not realise that
> the baby was not growing as well as the others.
> You have also learnt a lot in the past few months, especially about diet for
> the birds and soft food to take the pressure off the rearing of the young.
>
> I have one out there in my aviary a Texas Clearbody hen, she is little, and
> also a bit of a twisted foot. Others would put her down i.e. kill her, not
> me, she has a right to a life just as we all have.
>
> Firstly you need to get a crop needle, when you first buy them they are
> straight but I bend them over a glass bottle, I find that I can work better
> that way.
>
> http://www.drrosspe rry.com.au/ videos/index. php at this web site scroll down,
> Dr. Ross Perry has a video on crop feeding, he has a straight tube and is
> doing what is called a crop wash to find out what bugs are in the birds crop
> and if it needs treatment.
>
> What I also do to help is put one or 2 drops of water or liquid on the birds
> beak before starting to put the tube down, this helps and moisturizes the
> food canal and helps get the crop needle down properly. I use a size 18, but
> by the looks of it he is using a size 16. I use the 18 as I feed a lot of
> babies from time to time and I find that I can get the crop needle down into
> their crops easily.
>
> As I said I use a baby food formula which is easy to mix and will go through
> the crop needle if you get the consistency right. As I said before I use
> Heinz high protein baby cereal, I don't know if it is available in Pakistan,
> but if not get one, and put it through a blender to make it finer, then mix
> with a little soy milk powder and water to a thinnish consistency, and crop
> it down. Practice on some of the birds in the aviary with water first.
>
> When the crop needle is going down the birds throat, you can feel it go past
> your thumb, once past there you are basically in the crop, just go a bit
> further down, then let a little of the mixture go in SLOWLY, when bringing
> out the crop needle do it gently and put just a tiny pressure on the throat
> area when taking it out so if any mixture comes up with the crop needle, it
> won't go into the wind pipe, they are side by side.
>
> Hope this helps you.
>
> Regards
> Betty
>
> -------Original Message----- --
>
> From: bader nouman
> Date: 21/11/2009 4:51:32 PM
> To: BudgerigarSocietyof Pakistan@ yahoogroups. com
> Subject: Re: [BSP] Miniature Budgerigars
>
> Hi Betty
>
> Thanks Betty for the advice
>
> Yes Betty I love to learn crop feeding but need advice and want to know how
> to do it in available resources.
>
> Now she is 5 months old and feeding well but still smaller than others.
>
> Her mother laid 4 chicks in her first round of this breeding season, and
> they all are bigger in size than all other chicks of other pairs in this
> season.
> In this season I paired her with a different cock, might be that is the
> cause.
>
> That's why I think we should not blame hen It must have been the cock.
>
> Warm regards
>
> Bader Nouman
>
> --- On Sat, 21/11/09, Betty <gerberry1@. ..> wrote:
>
>
> From: Betty <gerberry1@. ..>
> Subject: Re: [BSP] Miniature Budgerigars
> To: BudgerigarSocietyof Pakistan@ yahoogroups. com
> Date: Saturday, 21 November, 2009, 4:05 AM
>
>
>
> Hi Bader
> This can happen to all of us, this little bird will make a good pet for
> someone, and you never know, now that the bird
> can eat itself, marvellous how quickly they grow.
>
> My dog Sofie was under 'normal' weight and height when I got her, 3 years
> later she has caught up to 'normal'
>
> Just watch the mother of this baby and make sure that the babies have full
> crops at night.
>
> I use in this situation a baby cereal. We have one here called Heinz baby
> cereal, I mix this with soy milk, (just a little) and crop feed the baby.
> This is something you are going to have to learn to master.
>
> I will try and do a document so that you can understand what I am talking
> about, so that you can do it. It can save a birds life.
>
> Regards
> Betty
>
> -------Original Message----- --
>
> From: bader nouman
> Date: 21/11/2009 12:04:47 AM
> To: BudgerigarSocietyof Pakistan@ yahoogroups. com
> Subject: Re: [BSP] Miniature Budgerigars
>
> Yesss
>
> It means I have a miniature budgie
> Thanks to his mother hen who didn't feed here well that why she remained
> smaller than my other domesticated budgerigars.
>
> Cheers
>
> Bader
>
> --- On Fri, 20/11/09, Betty <gerberry1@optusnet . com.au> wrote:
>
>
> From: Betty <gerberry1@optusnet . com.au>
> Subject: Re: [BSP] Miniature Budgerigars
> To: BudgerigarSocietyof Pakistan@ yahoogroups. com
> Date: Friday, 20 November, 2009, 5:21 PM
>
>
>
> Hi Abaid
> Seemingly they are much smaller than the 'normal' non exhibition budgerigar.
> I will write to Ghalib and see if he can give us some more information on
> them.
>
> Regards
> Betty
>
> -------Original Message----- --
>
> From: Abaid
> Date: 20/11/2009 8:12:23 PM
> To: BudgerigarSocietyof Pakistan@ yahoogroups. com
> Subject: Re: [BSP] Miniature Budgerigars
>
> Dear Habib,
>
> is the Miniature is normal budgies which i have or its some thing else.
>
> thanks & regards
> abaid
>
>
> --- On Fri, 11/20/09, Habib-Ur-Rehman <thelpg@yahoo. com> wrote:
>
>
> From: Habib-Ur-Rehman <thelpg@yahoo. com>
> Subject: Re: [BSP] Miniature Budgerigars
> To: BudgerigarSocietyof Pakistan@ yahoogroups. com
> Date: Friday, November 20, 2009, 1:53 AM
>
>
> Hi Betty
> Regards
> Habib
>
> --- On Fri, 11/20/09, Betty <gerberry1@optusnet . com.au> wrote:
>
>
> From: Betty <gerberry1@optusnet . com.au>
> Subject: Re: [BSP] Miniature Budgerigars
> To: BudgerigarSocietyof Pakistan@ yahoogroups. com
> Date: Friday, November 20, 2009, 10:53 AM
>
>
>
> Hi Habib
> We don't have them here.
> Betty
>
> -------Original Message----- --
>
> From: Habib-Ur-Rehman
> Date: 19/11/2009 10:29:36 PM
> To: BudgerigarSocietyof Pakistan@ yahoogroups. com
> Subject: Re: [BSP] Miniature Budgerigars
>
> Hi Betty
> Thanks and noted, would you please share some photos? if possible
> i will b very thankful to you.
> Kindest Regards
> Habib
>
> --- On Thu, 11/19/09, Betty <gerberry1@optusnet . com.au> wrote:
>
>
> From: Betty <gerberry1@optusnet . com.au>
> Subject: Re: [BSP] Miniature Budgerigars
> To: BudgerigarSocietyof Pakistan@ yahoogroups. com
> Date: Thursday, November 19, 2009, 2:29 PM
>
>
>
> Hi Habib
> Yes, could have a class as miniaturists, but you'd have to be sure that they
> are actually
> 'miniatures' and not 'normal' non EB's
> Regards
> Betty
>
> -------Original Message----- --
>
> From: Habib-Ur-Rehman
> Date: 18/11/2009 10:35:46 PM
> To: BudgerigarSocietyof Pakistan@ yahoogroups. com
> Subject: Re: [BSP] Miniature Budgerigars
>
> Dear Betty
> Means that can be classed as MINIATURES?
> Regards
> Habib
>
> --- On Wed, 11/18/09, Betty <gerberry1@optusnet . com.au> wrote:
>
>
> From: Betty <gerberry1@optusnet . com.au>
> Subject: Re: [BSP] Miniature Budgerigars
> To: BudgerigarSocietyof Pakistan@ yahoogroups. com
> Date: Wednesday, November 18, 2009, 2:03 PM
>
>
>
> Hi Habib
> Seemingly I was wrong about Miniature Budgerigars, but the varieties will
> remain the same, not the size. They will breed the same, i.e. Dominant,
> Recessive, sex-linked etc.
>
> Regards
> Betty
>
> -------Original Message----- --
>
> From: Habib-Ur-Rehman
> Date: 18/11/2009 4:05:53 PM
> To: BudgerigarSocietyof Pakistan@ yahoogroups. com
> Subject: Re: [BSP] Miniature Budgerigars
>
> Dear Betty
> Yes i got the point is NOT variety;
> but atleast we can invite the breeders in a early stage on the show bench.
> this will bring a OPEN LETTER to all to participate with any kind of the
> budgerigars ..bcoz its time needed..n we know that how many we have ..n what
> we are doing? for fancy in the panorama dancy! hope n wish to do the best in
> a possible way to bring breeders of the budgerigars close and to work in all
> the region of the country.
> Best Regards
> Habib
>
> --- On Wed, 11/18/09, Betty <gerberry1@optusnet . com.au> wrote:
>
>
> From: Betty <gerberry1@optusnet . com.au>
> Subject: Re: [BSP] Miniature Budgerigars
> To: BudgerigarSocietyof Pakistan@ yahoogroups. com
> Date: Wednesday, November 18, 2009, 5:39 AM
>
>
>
> Hi Habib
> Someone maybe was having you on, Miniature Budgerigars, perhaps he is
> referring to the next step up from the wild budgerigar, which is the
> domestic budgerigar, not the EB's.
> No it is not a variety. Sometimes one may even get one that just forgets to
> grow, and comes out of a normal nest. These end up at the pet shop or with
> someone who wants a pet budgie.
>
> Regards
> Betty
>
> -------Original Message----- --
>
> From: Habib-Ur-Rehman
> Date: 18/11/2009 1:21:13 AM
> To: Naveed Ijaz
> Subject: [BSP] Miniature Budgerigars
>
>
> Hi Friends
> During the training session with Andy Thrope were discussed the miniatures
> budgies? any body have this kind of budgies and when we called MINIATURES?
> and its a VARIETY?
> Kindest Regards
> Habib
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From: Usaid <reddevil_2k2@...>
Subject: Re: [BSP] Hen Eating own Eggs
To: BudgerigarSocietyofPakistan@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, November 21, 2009, 3:49 PM

 

which multivitamin are you using and what is your method and routine of using it
similarly which veggies are you using

if you disclose your cage management then it will shed more light on the underlying problem
regards
Usaid Ahmed

--- In BudgerigarSocietyof Pakistan@ yahoogroups. com, Ali Hassan <aflash007@. ..> wrote:
>
> Hi Gordan and Habib,
>
> I think the shell was soft for one hen but both are getting calcium, multi vitamin, cuttle bone, salts, eggs with shells, vegies etc
>
> what can be other factors than deficiency
>
>
>
> Thanks
> Ali Hassan
>  
>
>
>
> ____________ _________ _________ __
> From: gordon <gldbudge30d@ ...>
> To: BudgerigarSocietyof Pakistan@ yahoogroups. com
> Sent: Thu, November 19, 2009 10:53:05 AM
> Subject: Re: [BSP] Hen Eating own Eggs
>
>  
> Good Morning Ali Hassan,
>  
> You may have hens that are producting soft shelled eggs. Place a small to medium size marble in the nest and add liquid calcium to your drinking water along with cuttle bone or another source of calcium and potassium.
>  
> Gordon 
>
>
> From: Ali Hassan
> Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2009 8:54 AM
> To: BudgerigarSocietyof Pakistan@ yahoogroups. com
> Subject: [BSP] Hen Eating own Eggs
>
> Hi,
>
> Having a known prob but this is the first time in my breeding
> 2 first timer hens have eaten the first layed egg
> both are about 1.5 years and in seperate breeding cages
>
> I'm breeding them in clay pot
> Every thing was fine but when i saw inside the nest, the egg shell was gone n the pot was a little wet
>
> I cleaned it n placed 2 eggs under one of the hens n she was fine with it and layed 2 eggs and going on normaly
>
> Did this with the other one today
>
> Wanted to know the reason.
>
>
>
>
> In continuation with the first hen who was doing good, i swapped her eggs with another one
> She had 4 eggs and i took away all placing 2 other eggs
>
> She tossed them out in an hour and looked quite pissed off
>
> I didnt put any other egg soo far knowing that she is not in good mood and i have done some thing wrong :(
>
> What should i do now? should i keep more eggs in the next 36 hours or wait if she lays in the same cycle (she layed total 3)
>
>
>
> Thanks to all
> Ali Hassan
> Karachi.
>

From: Usaid <reddevil_2k2@...>
Subject: Re: [BSP] Yellowface budgies
To: BudgerigarSocietyofPakistan@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, November 21, 2009, 3:48 PM

 

Yes the cinnamons were indeed badly colored
i was more amazed to see a visual opaline cock being split to cinnamon at the same time
it was throwing opaline hens,cinnamon hens and recessive pied hens
and i have discussed the relevant issues with Gordon
genetics are really a great thing to know

These pictures are 3 years old
the hen died in 2008 whereas the cock was sold later to make way for ebs
i have shared in past that in order to keep ebs,i sold every single lovebirds,tiel and australian budgie since i have a limited space to work with
regards
Usaid Ahmed

--- In BudgerigarSocietyof Pakistan@ yahoogroups. com, "Betty" <gerberry1@. ..> wrote:
>
> Hi Usaid
> Well if all these came out of the pair,
> 1. they both are split to Recessive pied.
> 2. The cock is split to cinnamon.
> 3. Yellow face (gray) is probably mauve.
> 4. Plus a grey Opaline Y/F,
> Some of the cinnamons are badly coloured, i.e. lime green.
>
> You are going to have fun.
>
> Regards
> Betty
>
>
> -------Original Message----- --
>
> From: Usaid Ahmed Siddiqui
> Date: 19/11/2009 10:27:28 PM
> To: BSP
> Subject: [BSP] Yellowface budgies [11 Attachments]
>
>
> [Attachment( s) from Usaid Ahmed Siddiqui included below]
>
>
>
> yes i have understood what i asked
> its my mistake since i didnt see the document attached.
>
>
> i am sharing my first yellowface australian budgie which was visually
> opaline and carried violet shade in its coat
> when mated to a yellow darkeyed clear,it produced some interesting chicks
> all of which have been shown in the pictures
>
> my hunch is that it was a mutant 2 yellowface or a australian goldenface in
> df since it produced two yellowface budgies in its progeny
>
>
> regards
> Usaid Ahmed Siddiqui
>
>
>
>
>
> Keep your friends updated— even when you're not signed in.
>

From: Terry A Tuxford <terry@...>
Subject: RE: [BSP] Miniature Budgerigars
To: BudgerigarSocietyofPakistan@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, November 23, 2009, 12:14 AM

 

Hi,

I judged the Italian Club Show this year and there were around 300 of these small budgerigars on show in addition to the exhibition birds. They may not have the power of the exhibition budgerigars but their colour was superb as was the variety content.

 

Regards,
Terry
Best of Breeds - Putting new owners in touch with the breeders www.bestofbreeds. co.uk
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-----Original Message-----
From: BudgerigarSocietyof Pakistan@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:BudgerigarS ocietyofPakistan @yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Didier Mervilde
Sent: 22 November 2009 18:51
To: BudgerigarSocietyof Pakistan@ yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: [BSP] Miniature Budgerigars

 

 

Hi,

 

I didn't follow the discussion on the miniature budgies but in my country you can find them in every pet shop. This year some of the clubs decided to allow this birds on the shows in different classes. They decided this because COM accept the birds on the shows and judges got the rules to judge them. On my website you can find an article about this birds and I send this article to BW but till now it was not published. You can be for or against those birds but I think it is a possibility to bring more people to the shows and perhaps some off them will be later on interested in the birds we know. Just a thought...

 

Regards,

 

Didier   

2009/11/22 Terry A Tuxford <terry@bestofbreeds. co.uk>

 

[Attachment(s) from Terry A Tuxford included below]

Hi,

I caught the title of this theme and attach a couple of photos I took in Italy this year.

 

Regards,
Terry
Best of Breeds - Putting new owners in touch with the breeders www.bestofbreeds. co.uk
Cost effective web design and hosting www.t-squared. co.uk
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-----Original Message-----
From: BudgerigarSocietyof Pakistan@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:BudgerigarSocietyof Pakistan@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Betty
Sent: 22 November 2009 06:27
To: BudgerigarSocietyof Pakistan@ yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: [BSP] Miniature Budgerigars

 

 

Hi Usaid Thanks for coming to the rescue with products that can be used and available in Pakistan. I realise that each country has its own products and input from yourself is greatly appreciated.   Habib - Put this recipe into the data base for Pakistani members please.   Regards Betty    -------Original Message----- --   From: Usaid Date: 21/11/2009 10:18:41 PM To: BudgerigarSocietyof Pakistan@ yahoogroups. com Subject: Re: [BSP] Miniature Budgerigars     buy a syringe remove its needle and insert a plastic tube(ones which are used for blood tranfusion) to act as a home made crop needle for the soft food i suggest mixing a table spoon each of cerelac three fruits mix and millet flour(bajray ka atta) with half glass water this soft mix can be safely given to any bird since every bird shop guy in karachi uses this mix for handfeeding chicks i myself used this technique to feed alexandrine chick 3 years ago which now has grown into a beautiful hand tamed male the picture is present as display picture in facebook where it is sitting on my shoulder regards USaid Ahmed --- In BudgerigarSocietyof Pakistan@ yahoogroups. com, "Betty" <gerberry1@.. .> wrote: > > Hi Bader > It could be that you were a novice in these things, and did not realise that > the baby was not growing as well as the others. > You have also learnt a lot in the past few months, especially about diet for > the birds and soft food to take the pressure off the rearing of the young. > > I have one out there in my aviary a Texas Clearbody hen, she is little, and > also a bit of a twisted foot. Others would put her down i.e. kill her, not > me, she has a right to a life just as we all have. > > Firstly you need to get a crop needle, when you first buy them they are > straight but I bend them over a glass bottle, I find that I can work better > that way. > > http://www.drrosspe rry.com.au/ videos/index. php at this web site scroll down, > Dr. Ross Perry has a video on crop feeding, he has a straight tube and is > doing what is called a crop wash to find out what bugs are in the birds crop > and if it needs treatment. > > What I also do to help is put one or 2 drops of water or liquid on the birds > beak before starting to put the tube down, this helps and moisturizes the > food canal and helps get the crop needle down properly. I use a size 18, but > by the looks of it he is using a size 16. I use the 18 as I feed a lot of > babies from time to time and I find that I can get the crop needle down into > their crops easily. > > As I said I use a baby food formula which is easy to mix and will go through > the crop needle if you get the consistency right. As I said before I use > Heinz high protein baby cereal, I don't know if it is available in Pakistan, > but if not get one, and put it through a blender to make it finer, then mix > with a little soy milk powder and water to a thinnish consistency, and crop > it down. Practice on some of the birds in the aviary with water first. > > When the crop needle is going down the birds throat, you can feel it go past > your thumb, once past there you are basically in the crop, just go a bit > further down, then let a little of the mixture go in SLOWLY, when bringing > out the crop needle do it gently and put just a tiny pressure on the throat > area when taking it out so if any mixture comes up with the crop needle, it > won't go into the wind pipe, they are side by side. > > Hope this helps you. > > Regards > Betty > > -------Original Message----- -- > > From: bader nouman > Date: 21/11/2009 4:51:32 PM > To: BudgerigarSocietyof Pakistan@ yahoogroups. com > Subject: Re: [BSP] Miniature Budgerigars > > Hi Betty > > Thanks Betty for the advice > > Yes Betty I love to learn crop feeding but need advice and want to know how > to do it in available resources. > > Now she is 5 months old and feeding well but still smaller than others. > > Her mother laid 4 chicks in her first round of this breeding season, and > they all are bigger in size than all other chicks of other pairs in this > season. > In this season I paired her with a different cock, might be that is the > cause. > > That's why I think we should not blame hen It must have been the cock. > > Warm regards > > Bader Nouman > > --- On Sat, 21/11/09, Betty <gerberry1@.. .> wrote: > > > From: Betty <gerberry1@.. .> > Subject: Re: [BSP] Miniature Budgerigars > To: BudgerigarSocietyof Pakistan@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Saturday, 21 November, 2009, 4:05 AM > > > > Hi Bader > This can happen to all of us, this little bird will make a good pet for > someone, and you never know, now that the bird > can eat itself, marvellous how quickly they grow. > > My dog Sofie was under 'normal' weight and height when I got her, 3 years > later she has caught up to 'normal' > > Just watch the mother of this baby and make sure that the babies have full > crops at night. > > I use in this situation a baby cereal. We have one here called Heinz baby > cereal, I mix this with soy milk, (just a little) and crop feed the baby. > This is something you are going to have to learn to master. > > I will try and do a document so that you can understand what I am talking > about, so that you can do it. It can save a birds life. > > Regards > Betty > > -------Original Message----- -- > > From: bader nouman > Date: 21/11/2009 12:04:47 AM > To: BudgerigarSocietyof Pakistan@ yahoogroups. com > Subject: Re: [BSP] Miniature Budgerigars > > Yesss > > It means I have a miniature budgie > Thanks to his mother hen who didn't feed here well that why she remained > smaller than my other domesticated budgerigars. > > Cheers > > Bader > > --- On Fri, 20/11/09, Betty <gerberry1@optusnet. com.au> wrote: > > > From: Betty <gerberry1@optusnet. com.au> > Subject: Re: [BSP] Miniature Budgerigars > To: BudgerigarSocietyof Pakistan@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Friday, 20 November, 2009, 5:21 PM > > > > Hi Abaid > Seemingly they are much smaller than the 'normal' non exhibition budgerigar. > I will write to Ghalib and see if he can give us some more information on > them. > > Regards > Betty > > -------Original Message----- -- > > From: Abaid > Date: 20/11/2009 8:12:23 PM > To: BudgerigarSocietyof Pakistan@ yahoogroups. com > Subject: Re: [BSP] Miniature Budgerigars > > Dear Habib, > > is the Miniature is normal budgies which i have or its some thing else. > > thanks & regards > abaid > > > --- On Fri, 11/20/09, Habib-Ur-Rehman <thelpg@yahoo. com> wrote: > > > From: Habib-Ur-Rehman <thelpg@yahoo. com> > Subject: Re: [BSP] Miniature Budgerigars > To: BudgerigarSocietyof Pakistan@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Friday, November 20, 2009, 1:53 AM > > > Hi Betty > Regards > Habib > > --- On Fri, 11/20/09, Betty <gerberry1@optusnet. com.au> wrote: > > > From: Betty <gerberry1@optusnet. com.au> > Subject: Re: [BSP] Miniature Budgerigars > To: BudgerigarSocietyof Pakistan@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Friday, November 20, 2009, 10:53 AM > > > > Hi Habib > We don't have them here. > Betty > > -------Original Message----- -- > > From: Habib-Ur-Rehman > Date: 19/11/2009 10:29:36 PM > To: BudgerigarSocietyof Pakistan@ yahoogroups. com > Subject: Re: [BSP] Miniature Budgerigars > > Hi Betty > Thanks and noted, would you please share some photos? if possible > i will b very thankful to you. > Kindest Regards > Habib > > --- On Thu, 11/19/09, Betty <gerberry1@optusnet. com.au> wrote: > > > From: Betty <gerberry1@optusnet. com.au> > Subject: Re: [BSP] Miniature Budgerigars > To: BudgerigarSocietyof Pakistan@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Thursday, November 19, 2009, 2:29 PM > > > > Hi Habib > Yes, could have a class as miniaturists, but you'd have to be sure that they > are actually > 'miniatures' and not 'normal' non EB's > Regards > Betty > > -------Original Message----- -- > > From: Habib-Ur-Rehman > Date: 18/11/2009 10:35:46 PM > To: BudgerigarSocietyof Pakistan@ yahoogroups. com > Subject: Re: [BSP] Miniature Budgerigars > > Dear Betty > Means that can be classed as MINIATURES? > Regards > Habib > > --- On Wed, 11/18/09, Betty <gerberry1@optusnet. com.au> wrote: > > > From: Betty <gerberry1@optusnet. com.au> > Subject: Re: [BSP] Miniature Budgerigars > To: BudgerigarSocietyof Pakistan@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Wednesday, November 18, 2009, 2:03 PM > > > > Hi Habib > Seemingly I was wrong about Miniature Budgerigars, but the varieties will > remain the same, not the size. They will breed the same, i.e. Dominant, > Recessive, sex-linked etc. > > Regards > Betty > > -------Original Message----- -- > > From: Habib-Ur-Rehman > Date: 18/11/2009 4:05:53 PM > To: BudgerigarSocietyof Pakistan@ yahoogroups. com > Subject: Re: [BSP] Miniature Budgerigars > > Dear Betty > Yes i got the point is NOT variety; > but atleast we can invite the breeders in a early stage on the show bench. > this will bring a OPEN LETTER to all to participate with any kind of the > budgerigars ..bcoz its time needed..n we know that how many we have ..n what > we are doing? for fancy in the panorama dancy! hope n wish to do the best in > a possible way to bring breeders of the budgerigars close and to work in all > the region of the country. > Best Regards > Habib > > --- On Wed, 11/18/09, Betty <gerberry1@optusnet. com.au> wrote: > > > From: Betty <gerberry1@optusnet. com.au> > Subject: Re: [BSP] Miniature Budgerigars > To: BudgerigarSocietyof Pakistan@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Wednesday, November 18, 2009, 5:39 AM > > > > Hi Habib > Someone maybe was having you on, Miniature Budgerigars, perhaps he is > referring to the next step up from the wild budgerigar, which is the > domestic budgerigar, not the EB's. > No it is not a variety. Sometimes one may even get one that just forgets to > grow, and comes out of a normal nest. These end up at the pet shop or with > someone who wants a pet budgie. > > Regards > Betty > > -------Original Message----- -- > > From: Habib-Ur-Rehman > Date: 18/11/2009 1:21:13 AM > To: Naveed Ijaz > Subject: [BSP] Miniature Budgerigars > > > Hi Friends > During the training session with Andy Thrope were discussed the miniatures > budgies? any body have this kind of budgies and when we called MINIATURES? > and its a VARIETY? > Kindest Regards > Habib > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Get your preferred Email name! > Now you can @ymail.com and @rocketmail. com. > > > > > > > > Get your new Email address! > Grab the Email name you've always wanted before someone else does! >

 

From: Habib-Ur-Rehman <thelpg@...>
Subject: Re: [BSP] Miniature Budgerigars
To: BudgerigarSocietyofPakistan@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, November 23, 2009, 12:09 AM

Hi Didier M   thanks for your reply and yes we are going to add these miniatures in the class at show bench of the south as we added the Australian Domesticated budgerigars with your advice and the many others valued fellow members including Gerd,Betty,Dewayne,Gordon,Barrie,Nigle,Stephen TINTIN of Canada,and many others from Ireland,Germanyand their guidance hope this will help us to boost the hobby in the country bcoz its important ..with ONE budgerigar, than he/she will realize ..WHAT and WHY the exhibition budgerigars.. hope you will share the rules regarding this class and we will find the article from your web as you advised n we are very happy with your thoughts ..n hope for the best.   Once again i shall request the BSP's management to consider for all shows ..specially for the kids and for new fancier or willing to work for the budgerigar's community and the same message i delivered to the other WBO's affiliates i.e CBS and specially to Mobassir..   Its a time to bring breeders connect through a budgerigars .. voice of budgerigars Kindest Regards Habib --- On Sun, 11/22/09, Didier Mervilde <didier.mervilde@...> wrote: From: Didier Mervilde <didier.mervilde@...> Subject: Re: [BSP] Miniature Budgerigars To: BudgerigarSocietyofPakistan@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, November 22, 2009, 11:51 PM   Hi, I didn't follow the discussion on the miniature budgies but in my country you can find them in every pet shop. This year some of the clubs decided to allow this birds on the shows in different classes. They decided this because COM accept the birds on the shows and judges got the rules to judge them. On my website you can find an article about this birds and I send this article to BW but till now it was not published. You can be for or against those birds but I think it is a possibility to bring more people to the shows and perhaps some off them will be later on interested in the birds we know. Just a thought... Regards, Didier    2009/11/22 Terry A Tuxford <terry@bestofbreeds. co.uk>   [Attachment(s) from Terry A Tuxford included below] Hi, I caught the title of this theme and attach a couple of photos I took in Italy this year.   Regards, Terry Best of Breeds - Putting new owners in touch with the breeders www.bestofbreeds. co.uk Cost effective web design and hosting www.t-squared. co.uk The World's leading Budgerigar Magazine www.budgerigarworld .com   -----Original Message----- From: BudgerigarSocietyof Pakistan@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:BudgerigarSocietyof Pakistan@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Betty Sent: 22 November 2009 06:27 To: BudgerigarSocietyof Pakistan@ yahoogroups. com Subject: Re: [BSP] Miniature Budgerigars     Hi Usaid Thanks for coming to the rescue with products that can be used and available in Pakistan. I realise that each country has its own products and input from yourself is greatly appreciated.   Habib - Put this recipe into the data base for Pakistani members please.   Regards Betty    -------Original Message----- --   From: Usaid Date: 21/11/2009 10:18:41 PM To: BudgerigarSocietyof Pakistan@ yahoogroups. com Subject: Re: [BSP] Miniature Budgerigars     buy a syringe remove its needle and insert a plastic tube(ones which are used for blood tranfusion) to act as a home made crop needle for the soft food i suggest mixing a table spoon each of cerelac three fruits mix and millet flour(bajray ka atta) with half glass water this soft mix can be safely given to any bird since every bird shop guy in karachi uses this mix for handfeeding chicks i myself used this technique to feed alexandrine chick 3 years ago which now has grown into a beautiful hand tamed male the picture is present as display picture in facebook where it is sitting on my shoulder regards USaid Ahmed --- In BudgerigarSocietyof Pakistan@ yahoogroups. com, "Betty" <gerberry1@.. .> wrote: > > Hi Bader > It could be that you were a novice in these things, and did not realise that > the baby was not growing as well as the others. > You have also learnt a lot in the past few months, especially about diet for > the birds and soft food to take the pressure off the rearing of the young. > > I have one out there in my aviary a Texas Clearbody hen, she is little, and > also a bit of a twisted foot. Others would put her down i.e. kill her, not > me, she has a right to a life just as we all have. > > Firstly you need to get a crop needle, when you first buy them they are > straight but I bend them over a glass bottle, I find that I can work better > that way. > > http://www.drrosspe rry.com.au/ videos/index. php at this web site scroll down, > Dr. Ross Perry has a video on crop feeding, he has a straight tube and is > doing what is called a crop wash to find out what bugs are in the birds crop > and if it needs treatment. > > What I also do to help is put one or 2 drops of water or liquid on the birds > beak before starting to put the tube down, this helps and moisturizes the > food canal and helps get the crop needle down properly. I use a size 18, but > by the looks of it he is using a size 16. I use the 18 as I feed a lot of > babies from time to time and I find that I can get the crop needle down into > their crops easily. > > As I said I use a baby food formula which is easy to mix and will go through > the crop needle if you get the consistency right. As I said before I use > Heinz high protein baby cereal, I don't know if it is available in Pakistan, > but if not get one, and put it through a blender to make it finer, then mix > with a little soy milk powder and water to a thinnish consistency, and crop > it down. Practice on some of the birds in the aviary with water first. > > When the crop needle is going down the birds throat, you can feel it go past > your thumb, once past there you are basically in the crop, just go a bit > further down, then let a little of the mixture go in SLOWLY, when bringing > out the crop needle do it gently and put just a tiny pressure on the throat > area when taking it out so if any mixture comes up with the crop needle, it > won't go into the wind pipe, they are side by side. > > Hope this helps you. > > Regards > Betty > > -------Original Message----- -- > > From: bader nouman > Date: 21/11/2009 4:51:32 PM > To: BudgerigarSocietyof Pakistan@ yahoogroups. com > Subject: Re: [BSP] Miniature Budgerigars > > Hi Betty > > Thanks Betty for the advice > > Yes Betty I love to learn crop feeding but need advice and want to know how > to do it in available resources. > > Now she is 5 months old and feeding well but still smaller than others. > > Her mother laid 4 chicks in her first round of this breeding season, and > they all are bigger in size than all other chicks of other pairs in this > season. > In this season I paired her with a different cock, might be that is the > cause. > > That's why I think we should not blame hen It must have been the cock. > > Warm regards > > Bader Nouman > > --- On Sat, 21/11/09, Betty <gerberry1@.. .> wrote: > > > From: Betty <gerberry1@.. .> > Subject: Re: [BSP] Miniature Budgerigars > To: BudgerigarSocietyof Pakistan@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Saturday, 21 November, 2009, 4:05 AM > > > > Hi Bader > This can happen to all of us, this little bird will make a good pet for > someone, and you never know, now that the bird > can eat itself, marvellous how quickly they grow. > > My dog Sofie was under 'normal' weight and height when I got her, 3 years > later she has caught up to 'normal' > > Just watch the mother of this baby and make sure that the babies have full > crops at night. > > I use in this situation a baby cereal. We have one here called Heinz baby > cereal, I mix this with soy milk, (just a little) and crop feed the baby. > This is something you are going to have to learn to master. > > I will try and do a document so that you can understand what I am talking > about, so that you can do it. It can save a birds life. > > Regards > Betty > > -------Original Message----- -- > > From: bader nouman > Date: 21/11/2009 12:04:47 AM > To: BudgerigarSocietyof Pakistan@ yahoogroups. com > Subject: Re: [BSP] Miniature Budgerigars > > Yesss > > It means I have a miniature budgie > Thanks to his mother hen who didn't feed here well that why she remained > smaller than my other domesticated budgerigars. > > Cheers > > Bader > > --- On Fri, 20/11/09, Betty <gerberry1@optusnet. com.au> wrote: > > > From: Betty <gerberry1@optusnet. com.au> > Subject: Re: [BSP] Miniature Budgerigars > To: BudgerigarSocietyof Pakistan@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Friday, 20 November, 2009, 5:21 PM > > > > Hi Abaid > Seemingly they are much smaller than the 'normal' non exhibition budgerigar. > I will write to Ghalib and see if he can give us some more information on > them. > > Regards > Betty > > -------Original Message----- -- > > From: Abaid > Date: 20/11/2009 8:12:23 PM > To: BudgerigarSocietyof Pakistan@ yahoogroups. com > Subject: Re: [BSP] Miniature Budgerigars > > Dear Habib, > > is the Miniature is normal budgies which i have or its some thing else. > > thanks & regards > abaid > > > --- On Fri, 11/20/09, Habib-Ur-Rehman <thelpg@yahoo. com> wrote: > > > From: Habib-Ur-Rehman <thelpg@yahoo. com> > Subject: Re: [BSP] Miniature Budgerigars > To: BudgerigarSocietyof Pakistan@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Friday, November 20, 2009, 1:53 AM > > > Hi Betty > Regards > Habib > > --- On Fri, 11/20/09, Betty <gerberry1@optusnet. com.au> wrote: > > > From: Betty <gerberry1@optusnet. com.au> > Subject: Re: [BSP] Miniature Budgerigars > To: BudgerigarSocietyof Pakistan@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Friday, November 20, 2009, 10:53 AM > > > > Hi Habib > We don't have them here. > Betty > > -------Original Message----- -- > > From: Habib-Ur-Rehman > Date: 19/11/2009 10:29:36 PM > To: BudgerigarSocietyof Pakistan@ yahoogroups. com > Subject: Re: [BSP] Miniature Budgerigars > > Hi Betty > Thanks and noted, would you please share some photos? if possible > i will b very thankful to you. > Kindest Regards > Habib > > --- On Thu, 11/19/09, Betty <gerberry1@optusnet. com.au> wrote: > > > From: Betty <gerberry1@optusnet. com.au> > Subject: Re: [BSP] Miniature Budgerigars > To: BudgerigarSocietyof Pakistan@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Thursday, November 19, 2009, 2:29 PM > > > > Hi Habib > Yes, could have a class as miniaturists, but you'd have to be sure that they > are actually > 'miniatures' and not 'normal' non EB's > Regards > Betty > > -------Original Message----- -- > > From: Habib-Ur-Rehman > Date: 18/11/2009 10:35:46 PM > To: BudgerigarSocietyof Pakistan@ yahoogroups. com > Subject: Re: [BSP] Miniature Budgerigars > > Dear Betty > Means that can be classed as MINIATURES? > Regards > Habib > > --- On Wed, 11/18/09, Betty <gerberry1@optusnet. com.au> wrote: > > > From: Betty <gerberry1@optusnet. com.au> > Subject: Re: [BSP] Miniature Budgerigars > To: BudgerigarSocietyof Pakistan@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Wednesday, November 18, 2009, 2:03 PM > > > > Hi Habib > Seemingly I was wrong about Miniature Budgerigars, but the varieties will > remain the same, not the size. They will breed the same, i.e. Dominant, > Recessive, sex-linked etc. > > Regards > Betty > > -------Original Message----- -- > > From: Habib-Ur-Rehman > Date: 18/11/2009 4:05:53 PM > To: BudgerigarSocietyof Pakistan@ yahoogroups. com > Subject: Re: [BSP] Miniature Budgerigars > > Dear Betty > Yes i got the point is NOT variety; > but atleast we can invite the breeders in a early stage on the show bench. > this will bring a OPEN LETTER to all to participate with any kind of the > budgerigars ..bcoz its time needed..n we know that how many we have ..n what > we are doing? for fancy in the panorama dancy! hope n wish to do the best in > a possible way to bring breeders of the budgerigars close and to work in all > the region of the country. > Best Regards > Habib > > --- On Wed, 11/18/09, Betty <gerberry1@optusnet. com.au> wrote: > > > From: Betty <gerberry1@optusnet. com.au> > Subject: Re: [BSP] Miniature Budgerigars > To: BudgerigarSocietyof Pakistan@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Wednesday, November 18, 2009, 5:39 AM > > > > Hi Habib > Someone maybe was having you on, Miniature Budgerigars, perhaps he is > referring to the next step up from the wild budgerigar, which is the > domestic budgerigar, not the EB's. > No it is not a variety. Sometimes one may even get one that just forgets to > grow, and comes out of a normal nest. These end up at the pet shop or with > someone who wants a pet budgie. > > Regards > Betty > > -------Original Message----- -- > > From: Habib-Ur-Rehman > Date: 18/11/2009 1:21:13 AM > To: Naveed Ijaz > Subject: [BSP] Miniature Budgerigars > > > Hi Friends > During the training session with Andy Thrope were discussed the miniatures > budgies? any body have this kind of budgies and when we called MINIATURES? > and its a VARIETY? > Kindest Regards > Habib > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Get your preferred Email name! > Now you can @ymail.com and @rocketmail. com. > > > > > > > > Get your new Email address! > Grab the Email name you've always wanted before someone else does! >

From: Didier Mervilde <didier.mervilde@...>
Subject: Re: [BSP] Miniature Budgerigars
To: BudgerigarSocietyofPakistan@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, November 22, 2009, 11:51 PM

 

Hi,

I didn't follow the discussion on the miniature budgies but in my country you can find them in every pet shop. This year some of the clubs decided to allow this birds on the shows in different classes. They decided this because COM accept the birds on the shows and judges got the rules to judge them. On my website you can find an article about this birds and I send this article to BW but till now it was not published. You can be for or against those birds but I think it is a possibility to bring more people to the shows and perhaps some off them will be later on interested in the birds we know. Just a thought...

Regards,

Didier   

2009/11/22 Terry A Tuxford <terry@bestofbreeds. co.uk>

 

[Attachment(s) from Terry A Tuxford included below]

Hi,

I caught the title of this theme and attach a couple of photos I took in Italy this year.

 

Regards,
Terry
Best of Breeds - Putting new owners in touch with the breeders www.bestofbreeds. co.uk
Cost effective web design and hosting www.t-squared. co.uk
The World's leading Budgerigar Magazine www.budgerigarworld .com

 

-----Original Message-----
From: BudgerigarSocietyof Pakistan@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:BudgerigarSocietyof Pakistan@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Betty
Sent: 22 November 2009 06:27
To: BudgerigarSocietyof Pakistan@ yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: [BSP] Miniature Budgerigars

 

 

Hi Usaid Thanks for coming to the rescue with products that can be used and available in Pakistan. I realise that each country has its own products and input from yourself is greatly appreciated.   Habib - Put this recipe into the data base for Pakistani members please.   Regards Betty    -------Original Message----- --   From: Usaid Date: 21/11/2009 10:18:41 PM To: BudgerigarSocietyof Pakistan@ yahoogroups. com Subject: Re: [BSP] Miniature Budgerigars     buy a syringe remove its needle and insert a plastic tube(ones which are used for blood tranfusion) to act as a home made crop needle for the soft food i suggest mixing a table spoon each of cerelac three fruits mix and millet flour(bajray ka atta) with half glass water this soft mix can be safely given to any bird since every bird shop guy in karachi uses this mix for handfeeding chicks i myself used this technique to feed alexandrine chick 3 years ago which now has grown into a beautiful hand tamed male the picture is present as display picture in facebook where it is sitting on my shoulder regards USaid Ahmed --- In BudgerigarSocietyof Pakistan@ yahoogroups. com, "Betty" <gerberry1@.. .> wrote: > > Hi Bader > It could be that you were a novice in these things, and did not realise that > the baby was not growing as well as the others. > You have also learnt a lot in the past few months, especially about diet for > the birds and soft food to take the pressure off the rearing of the young. > > I have one out there in my aviary a Texas Clearbody hen, she is little, and > also a bit of a twisted foot. Others would put her down i.e. kill her, not > me, she has a right to a life just as we all have. > > Firstly you need to get a crop needle, when you first buy them they are > straight but I bend them over a glass bottle, I find that I can work better > that way. > > http://www.drrosspe rry.com.au/ videos/index. php at this web site scroll down, > Dr. Ross Perry has a video on crop feeding, he has a straight tube and is > doing what is called a crop wash to find out what bugs are in the birds crop > and if it needs treatment. > > What I also do to help is put one or 2 drops of water or liquid on the birds > beak before starting to put the tube down, this helps and moisturizes the > food canal and helps get the crop needle down properly. I use a size 18, but > by the looks of it he is using a size 16. I use the 18 as I feed a lot of > babies from time to time and I find that I can get the crop needle down into > their crops easily. > > As I said I use a baby food formula which is easy to mix and will go through > the crop needle if you get the consistency right. As I said before I use > Heinz high protein baby cereal, I don't know if it is available in Pakistan, > but if not get one, and put it through a blender to make it finer, then mix > with a little soy milk powder and water to a thinnish consistency, and crop > it down. Practice on some of the birds in the aviary with water first. > > When the crop needle is going down the birds throat, you can feel it go past > your thumb, once past there you are basically in the crop, just go a bit > further down, then let a little of the mixture go in SLOWLY, when bringing > out the crop needle do it gently and put just a tiny pressure on the throat > area when taking it out so if any mixture comes up with the crop needle, it > won't go into the wind pipe, they are side by side. > > Hope this helps you. > > Regards > Betty > > -------Original Message----- -- > > From: bader nouman > Date: 21/11/2009 4:51:32 PM > To: BudgerigarSocietyof Pakistan@ yahoogroups. com > Subject: Re: [BSP] Miniature Budgerigars > > Hi Betty > > Thanks Betty for the advice > > Yes Betty I love to learn crop feeding but need advice and want to know how > to do it in available resources. > > Now she is 5 months old and feeding well but still smaller than others. > > Her mother laid 4 chicks in her first round of this breeding season, and > they all are bigger in size than all other chicks of other pairs in this > season. > In this season I paired her with a different cock, might be that is the > cause. > > That's why I think we should not blame hen It must have been the cock. > > Warm regards > > Bader Nouman > > --- On Sat, 21/11/09, Betty <gerberry1@.. .> wrote: > > > From: Betty <gerberry1@.. .> > Subject: Re: [BSP] Miniature Budgerigars > To: BudgerigarSocietyof Pakistan@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Saturday, 21 November, 2009, 4:05 AM > > > > Hi Bader > This can happen to all of us, this little bird will make a good pet for > someone, and you never know, now that the bird > can eat itself, marvellous how quickly they grow. > > My dog Sofie was under 'normal' weight and height when I got her, 3 years > later she has caught up to 'normal' > > Just watch the mother of this baby and make sure that the babies have full > crops at night. > > I use in this situation a baby cereal. We have one here called Heinz baby > cereal, I mix this with soy milk, (just a little) and crop feed the baby. > This is something you are going to have to learn to master. > > I will try and do a document so that you can understand what I am talking > about, so that you can do it. It can save a birds life. > > Regards > Betty > > -------Original Message----- -- > > From: bader nouman > Date: 21/11/2009 12:04:47 AM > To: BudgerigarSocietyof Pakistan@ yahoogroups. com > Subject: Re: [BSP] Miniature Budgerigars > > Yesss > > It means I have a miniature budgie > Thanks to his mother hen who didn't feed here well that why she remained > smaller than my other domesticated budgerigars. > > Cheers > > Bader > > --- On Fri, 20/11/09, Betty <gerberry1@optusnet. com.au> wrote: > > > From: Betty <gerberry1@optusnet. com.au> > Subject: Re: [BSP] Miniature Budgerigars > To: BudgerigarSocietyof Pakistan@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Friday, 20 November, 2009, 5:21 PM > > > > Hi Abaid > Seemingly they are much smaller than the 'normal' non exhibition budgerigar. > I will write to Ghalib and see if he can give us some more information on > them. > > Regards > Betty > > -------Original Message----- -- > > From: Abaid > Date: 20/11/2009 8:12:23 PM > To: BudgerigarSocietyof Pakistan@ yahoogroups. com > Subject: Re: [BSP] Miniature Budgerigars > > Dear Habib, > > is the Miniature is normal budgies which i have or its some thing else. > > thanks & regards > abaid > > > --- On Fri, 11/20/09, Habib-Ur-Rehman <thelpg@yahoo. com> wrote: > > > From: Habib-Ur-Rehman <thelpg@yahoo. com> > Subject: Re: [BSP] Miniature Budgerigars > To: BudgerigarSocietyof Pakistan@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Friday, November 20, 2009, 1:53 AM > > > Hi Betty > Regards > Habib > > --- On Fri, 11/20/09, Betty <gerberry1@optusnet. com.au> wrote: > > > From: Betty <gerberry1@optusnet. com.au> > Subject: Re: [BSP] Miniature Budgerigars > To: BudgerigarSocietyof Pakistan@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Friday, November 20, 2009, 10:53 AM > > > > Hi Habib > We don't have them here. > Betty > > -------Original Message----- -- > > From: Habib-Ur-Rehman > Date: 19/11/2009 10:29:36 PM > To: BudgerigarSocietyof Pakistan@ yahoogroups. com > Subject: Re: [BSP] Miniature Budgerigars > > Hi Betty > Thanks and noted, would you please share some photos? if possible > i will b very thankful to you. > Kindest Regards > Habib > > --- On Thu, 11/19/09, Betty <gerberry1@optusnet. com.au> wrote: > > > From: Betty <gerberry1@optusnet. com.au> > Subject: Re: [BSP] Miniature Budgerigars > To: BudgerigarSocietyof Pakistan@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Thursday, November 19, 2009, 2:29 PM > > > > Hi Habib > Yes, could have a class as miniaturists, but you'd have to be sure that they > are actually > 'miniatures' and not 'normal' non EB's > Regards > Betty > > -------Original Message----- -- > > From: Habib-Ur-Rehman > Date: 18/11/2009 10:35:46 PM > To: BudgerigarSocietyof Pakistan@ yahoogroups. com > Subject: Re: [BSP] Miniature Budgerigars > > Dear Betty > Means that can be classed as MINIATURES? > Regards > Habib > > --- On Wed, 11/18/09, Betty <gerberry1@optusnet. com.au> wrote: > > > From: Betty <gerberry1@optusnet. com.au> > Subject: Re: [BSP] Miniature Budgerigars > To: BudgerigarSocietyof Pakistan@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Wednesday, November 18, 2009, 2:03 PM > > > > Hi Habib > Seemingly I was wrong about Miniature Budgerigars, but the varieties will > remain the same, not the size. They will breed the same, i.e. Dominant, > Recessive, sex-linked etc. > > Regards > Betty > > -------Original Message----- -- > > From: Habib-Ur-Rehman > Date: 18/11/2009 4:05:53 PM > To: BudgerigarSocietyof Pakistan@ yahoogroups. com > Subject: Re: [BSP] Miniature Budgerigars > > Dear Betty > Yes i got the point is NOT variety; > but atleast we can invite the breeders in a early stage on the show bench. > this will bring a OPEN LETTER to all to participate with any kind of the > budgerigars ..bcoz its time needed..n we know that how many we have ..n what > we are doing? for fancy in the panorama dancy! hope n wish to do the best in > a possible way to bring breeders of the budgerigars close and to work in all > the region of the country. > Best Regards > Habib > > --- On Wed, 11/18/09, Betty <gerberry1@optusnet. com.au> wrote: > > > From: Betty <gerberry1@optusnet. com.au> > Subject: Re: [BSP] Miniature Budgerigars > To: BudgerigarSocietyof Pakistan@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Wednesday, November 18, 2009, 5:39 AM > > > > Hi Habib > Someone maybe was having you on, Miniature Budgerigars, perhaps he is > referring to the next step up from the wild budgerigar, which is the > domestic budgerigar, not the EB's. > No it is not a variety. Sometimes one may even get one that just forgets to > grow, and comes out of a normal nest. These end up at the pet shop or with > someone who wants a pet budgie. > > Regards > Betty > > -------Original Message----- -- > > From: Habib-Ur-Rehman > Date: 18/11/2009 1:21:13 AM > To: Naveed Ijaz > Subject: [BSP] Miniature Budgerigars > > > Hi Friends > During the training session with Andy Thrope were discussed the miniatures > budgies? any body have this kind of budgies and when we called MINIATURES? > and its a VARIETY? > Kindest Regards > Habib > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Get your preferred Email name! > Now you can @ymail.com and @rocketmail. com. > > > > > > > > Get your new Email address! > Grab the Email name you've always wanted before someone else does! >

From: Betty <gerberry1@...>
Subject: Re: [BSP] Miniature Budgerigars
To: BudgerigarSocietyofPakistan@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, November 22, 2009, 11:27 AM

 

Hi Usaid Thanks for coming to the rescue with products that can be used and available in Pakistan. I realise that each country has its own products and input from yourself is greatly appreciated.   Habib - Put this recipe into the data base for Pakistani members please.   Regards Betty    -------Original Message----- --   From: Usaid Date: 21/11/2009 10:18:41 PM To: BudgerigarSocietyof Pakistan@ yahoogroups. com Subject: Re: [BSP] Miniature Budgerigars     buy a syringe remove its needle and insert a plastic tube(ones which are used for blood tranfusion) to act as a home made crop needle for the soft food i suggest mixing a table spoon each of cerelac three fruits mix and millet flour(bajray ka atta) with half glass water this soft mix can be safely given to any bird since every bird shop guy in karachi uses this mix for handfeeding chicks i myself used this technique to feed alexandrine chick 3 years ago which now has grown into a beautiful hand tamed male the picture is present as display picture in facebook where it is sitting on my shoulder regards USaid Ahmed --- In BudgerigarSocietyof Pakistan@ yahoogroups. com, "Betty" <gerberry1@. ..> wrote: > > Hi Bader > It could be that you were a novice in these things, and did not realise that > the baby was not growing as well as the others. > You have also learnt a lot in the past few months, especially about diet for > the birds and soft food to take the pressure off the rearing of the young. > > I have one out there in my aviary a Texas Clearbody hen, she is little, and > also a bit of a twisted foot. Others would put her down i.e. kill her, not > me, she has a right to a life just as we all have. > > Firstly you need to get a crop needle, when you first buy them they are > straight but I bend them over a glass bottle, I find that I can work better > that way. > > http://www.drrosspe rry.com.au/ videos/index. php at this web site scroll down, > Dr. Ross Perry has a video on crop feeding, he has a straight tube and is > doing what is called a crop wash to find out what bugs are in the birds crop > and if it needs treatment. > > What I also do to help is put one or 2 drops of water or liquid on the birds > beak before starting to put the tube down, this helps and moisturizes the > food canal and helps get the crop needle down properly. I use a size 18, but > by the looks of it he is using a size 16. I use the 18 as I feed a lot of > babies from time to time and I find that I can get the crop needle down into > their crops easily. > > As I said I use a baby food formula which is easy to mix and will go through > the crop needle if you get the consistency right. As I said before I use > Heinz high protein baby cereal, I don't know if it is available in Pakistan, > but if not get one, and put it through a blender to make it finer, then mix > with a little soy milk powder and water to a thinnish consistency, and crop > it down. Practice on some of the birds in the aviary with water first. > > When the crop needle is going down the birds throat, you can feel it go past > your thumb, once past there you are basically in the crop, just go a bit > further down, then let a little of the mixture go in SLOWLY, when bringing > out the crop needle do it gently and put just a tiny pressure on the throat > area when taking it out so if any mixture comes up with the crop needle, it > won't go into the wind pipe, they are side by side. > > Hope this helps you. > > Regards > Betty > > -------Original Message----- -- > > From: bader nouman > Date: 21/11/2009 4:51:32 PM > To: BudgerigarSocietyof Pakistan@ yahoogroups. com > Subject: Re: [BSP] Miniature Budgerigars > > Hi Betty > > Thanks Betty for the advice > > Yes Betty I love to learn crop feeding but need advice and want to know how > to do it in available resources. > > Now she is 5 months old and feeding well but still smaller than others. > > Her mother laid 4 chicks in her first round of this breeding season, and > they all are bigger in size than all other chicks of other pairs in this > season. > In this season I paired her with a different cock, might be that is the > cause. > > That's why I think we should not blame hen It must have been the cock. > > Warm regards > > Bader Nouman > > --- On Sat, 21/11/09, Betty <gerberry1@. ..> wrote: > > > From: Betty <gerberry1@. ..> > Subject: Re: [BSP] Miniature Budgerigars > To: BudgerigarSocietyof Pakistan@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Saturday, 21 November, 2009, 4:05 AM > > > > Hi Bader > This can happen to all of us, this little bird will make a good pet for > someone, and you never know, now that the bird > can eat itself, marvellous how quickly they grow. > > My dog Sofie was under 'normal' weight and height when I got her, 3 years > later she has caught up to 'normal' > > Just watch the mother of this baby and make sure that the babies have full > crops at night. > > I use in this situation a baby cereal. We have one here called Heinz baby > cereal, I mix this with soy milk, (just a little) and crop feed the baby. > This is something you are going to have to learn to master. > > I will try and do a document so that you can understand what I am talking > about, so that you can do it. It can save a birds life. > > Regards > Betty > > -------Original Message----- -- > > From: bader nouman > Date: 21/11/2009 12:04:47 AM > To: BudgerigarSocietyof Pakistan@ yahoogroups. com > Subject: Re: [BSP] Miniature Budgerigars > > Yesss > > It means I have a miniature budgie > Thanks to his mother hen who didn't feed here well that why she remained > smaller than my other domesticated budgerigars. > > Cheers > > Bader > > --- On Fri, 20/11/09, Betty <gerberry1@optusnet . com.au> wrote: > > > From: Betty <gerberry1@optusnet . com.au> > Subject: Re: [BSP] Miniature Budgerigars > To: BudgerigarSocietyof Pakistan@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Friday, 20 November, 2009, 5:21 PM > > > > Hi Abaid > Seemingly they are much smaller than the 'normal' non exhibition budgerigar. > I will write to Ghalib and see if he can give us some more information on > them. > > Regards > Betty > > -------Original Message----- -- > > From: Abaid > Date: 20/11/2009 8:12:23 PM > To: BudgerigarSocietyof Pakistan@ yahoogroups. com > Subject: Re: [BSP] Miniature Budgerigars > > Dear Habib, > > is the Miniature is normal budgies which i have or its some thing else. > > thanks & regards > abaid > > > --- On Fri, 11/20/09, Habib-Ur-Rehman <thelpg@yahoo. com> wrote: > > > From: Habib-Ur-Rehman <thelpg@yahoo. com> > Subject: Re: [BSP] Miniature Budgerigars > To: BudgerigarSocietyof Pakistan@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Friday, November 20, 2009, 1:53 AM > > > Hi Betty > Regards > Habib > > --- On Fri, 11/20/09, Betty <gerberry1@optusnet . com.au> wrote: > > > From: Betty <gerberry1@optusnet . com.au> > Subject: Re: [BSP] Miniature Budgerigars > To: BudgerigarSocietyof Pakistan@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Friday, November 20, 2009, 10:53 AM > > > > Hi Habib > We don't have them here. > Betty > > -------Original Message----- -- > > From: Habib-Ur-Rehman > Date: 19/11/2009 10:29:36 PM > To: BudgerigarSocietyof Pakistan@ yahoogroups. com > Subject: Re: [BSP] Miniature Budgerigars > > Hi Betty > Thanks and noted, would you please share some photos? if possible > i will b very thankful to you. > Kindest Regards > Habib > > --- On Thu, 11/19/09, Betty <gerberry1@optusnet . com.au> wrote: > > > From: Betty <gerberry1@optusnet . com.au> > Subject: Re: [BSP] Miniature Budgerigars > To: BudgerigarSocietyof Pakistan@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Thursday, November 19, 2009, 2:29 PM > > > > Hi Habib > Yes, could have a class as miniaturists, but you'd have to be sure that they > are actually > 'miniatures' and not 'normal' non EB's > Regards > Betty > > -------Original Message----- -- > > From: Habib-Ur-Rehman > Date: 18/11/2009 10:35:46 PM > To: BudgerigarSocietyof Pakistan@ yahoogroups. com > Subject: Re: [BSP] Miniature Budgerigars > > Dear Betty > Means that can be classed as MINIATURES? > Regards > Habib > > --- On Wed, 11/18/09, Betty <gerberry1@optusnet . com.au> wrote: > > > From: Betty <gerberry1@optusnet . com.au> > Subject: Re: [BSP] Miniature Budgerigars > To: BudgerigarSocietyof Pakistan@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Wednesday, November 18, 2009, 2:03 PM > > > > Hi Habib > Seemingly I was wrong about Miniature Budgerigars, but the varieties will > remain the same, not the size. They will breed the same, i.e. Dominant, > Recessive, sex-linked etc. > > Regards > Betty > > -------Original Message----- -- > > From: Habib-Ur-Rehman > Date: 18/11/2009 4:05:53 PM > To: BudgerigarSocietyof Pakistan@ yahoogroups. com > Subject: Re: [BSP] Miniature Budgerigars > > Dear Betty > Yes i got the point is NOT variety; > but atleast we can invite the breeders in a early stage on the show bench. > this will bring a OPEN LETTER to all to participate with any kind of the > budgerigars ..bcoz its time needed..n we know that how many we have ..n what > we are doing? for fancy in the panorama dancy! hope n wish to do the best in > a possible way to bring breeders of the budgerigars close and to work in all > the region of the country. > Best Regards > Habib > > --- On Wed, 11/18/09, Betty <gerberry1@optusnet . com.au> wrote: > > > From: Betty <gerberry1@optusnet . com.au> > Subject: Re: [BSP] Miniature Budgerigars > To: BudgerigarSocietyof Pakistan@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Wednesday, November 18, 2009, 5:39 AM > > > > Hi Habib > Someone maybe was having you on, Miniature Budgerigars, perhaps he is > referring to the next step up from the wild budgerigar, which is the > domestic budgerigar, not the EB's. > No it is not a variety. Sometimes one may even get one that just forgets to > grow, and comes out of a normal nest. These end up at the pet shop or with > someone who wants a pet budgie. > > Regards > Betty > > -------Original Message----- -- > > From: Habib-Ur-Rehman > Date: 18/11/2009 1:21:13 AM > To: Naveed Ijaz > Subject: [BSP] Miniature Budgerigars > > > Hi Friends > During the training session with Andy Thrope were discussed the miniatures > budgies? any body have this kind of budgies and when we called MINIATURES? > and its a VARIETY? > Kindest Regards > Habib > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Get your preferred Email name! > Now you can @ymail.com and @rocketmail. com. > > > > > > > > Get your new Email address! > Grab the Email name you've always wanted before someone else does! >