Dear Ruth,

some houghts, late in the night!
But first, tanks for your lovely resonse!


I am not sure that cats do not see colours.
On the other hand, I think they do - wherever from ( a mirror) know how they
look like and accept cats, looking similar to them more than others.

1. Example:
I have kittens born on 6. july 99, 5 red silver ones, one red tabby. the red
tabby girl is really the underdog. one one likes her. I think, it's just
because she does not look like the others.
But that strengenth her: she is a sweet little amazone.

2. example:
I had 2 tabbies with white ( in the face), and I had to give them away because
they - although they stayed before the other cats came/were born in our home -
were attacked by the tabbies without white.
I was wondering about, because both of them were friendly cats without no
aggressions at all.
But then I read - cannot remind where, that the white blotches in the face of
cats could bring aggressions from non-white cats.
Maybe it is right - Abilene, my only left blue-tabby /white cat with a white
feather in the face has a really bad life if she dares to be too visible in the
"open area".
She is very safe in  the bathroom and propably safe in our sleeping room, but
outside of that...
Even my baby-boy attacks her, and hes so lovely, a realmaiden to the kittens i
spoke of above.

So much for today. ( still 5 hours to sleep for me!!)
I was wondering, if I should better send it to your private mail, but if there
is not so much mailing in the list,
perhaps some people will join us,after having looked in the digests.

I hope to hear from you and perhaps other people!

Viktoria


Ruth Johnson schrieb:
> From: "Ruth Johnson" <rjohnson@...>
>
> Hi, Viktoria! Welcome to the list! (I only joined it myself this past
> spring, and I have no idea who owns or takes care of it.)
>
> I'm so happy to hear you breed Maine Coon cats. Our oldest cat, Barny, looks
> just like a miniature Maine Coon--all the markings and other physical
> characteristics, except he is so *small!* He is only 8 pounds. He is about
> 19 years old, and you would think he would be acting elderly. But he still
> likes to keep the younger cats in line by slapping their faces on occasion!
> (I have known him to pin a younger--and much heavier--cat to the floor when
> they did something of which he didn't approve; though I haven't seen him do
> *that* for a while!)
>
> Cat behavior is a very interesting subject to me, too. We also have a large
> feline family: 7 neutered males and 2 neutered females--all of different
> mixed breeds and all rescued from less-than-happy situations. (Mostly one at
> a time, accumulating over the years--we didn't *plan* to have this many
> cats! <g>)
>
> For the most part, they get along very well together. Two of them are very
> good "mixers"--they get along very well with everybody, and have an open,
> friendly attitude. One of these, Quincy, has formed a special bond with
> Twinkles, who is a year older than he is, and whom we found several hundred
> miles away. But their bond was practically *instant*! Within a week they
> were sleeping with their paws around each other, tumbling with and chasing
> each other, eating out of the same bowl, groomin each other....
>
> But Quincy's brother, Reginald, could not be more different in personality.
> I could write at great length about him, but I think we have some real
> issues we are going to have to deal with. There is some animosity
> particularly between him and Whiskers (in large part, I think, because
> Whiskers associates him with another cat whom he intensely dislikes).
>
> But my question is, How much does physical appearance play a part in the
> bonding/non-bonding that takes place among cats? If you took away the
> element of color (am I right in thinking that cats don't see in color?)
> Quincy and Twinkles would look almost exactly alike. Is this why they took
> an immediate liking to each other? And if physical appearance plays a large
> role, would the group dynamics of my feline household be essentially
> different from the dynamics in yours (since yours are all the same breed?)
>
> Just an interesting thought.... Sorry for the long post!
>
> Ruth Johnson
> rjohnson@...
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <Viktoria.u.Harald.Wehner@...>
> To: <CatBehavioristIsabel@onelist.com>
> Sent: Friday, October 15, 1999 4:45 AM
> Subject: [CatBehavioristIsabel] Introduction
>
>
> > From: Viktoria.u.Harald.Wehner@...
> >
> > Hi out there,
> > my name is Viktoria. Me and my husband live near Nuremberg in Germany and
> we breed Maine coon since 1996.
> > We joined the list, because we like to get in contact with people
> concerned with behaviour science of cats.
> > Just now we have 2 boys, 4 ladies, 1 neuetered girl and a bundle of 10
> kitten, aged 13 to 15 weeks!
> > Believe me, much to see in cat behaviour and much to wonder and think
> about.
> > No one is caged, just Anilene has to be seperated from time to time in the
> sleeping- and bathroom area. They all live together with us in a big flat
> with 2 floors.
> >
> > As I saw in the digest, there is not much frequency on this list.
> >
> > I hope it will change.
> > Or is the list not working any longer?
> >
> > I would be happy about information.
> >
> > By the way - what happened to the awful boys who mistreated Dunkin to
> death??
> > I cannot believe such a cruelty!
> >
> > Viktoria
> >
> > > Dalton International Feral Rescue
> > They have no choice, they have no voice...THEY ONLY HAVE YOU!
> >
>
> > Dalton International Feral Rescue
> They have no choice, they have no voice...THEY ONLY HAVE YOU!

"It's Me.." Maine Coons
V. + H. Wehner
91462 Dachsbach/Mfr.
Fon (+49) 9163-968919
Fax (+49) 9163-968918

Hi list,
I am a little bit worring about that message!
Did Kimi an unsubscribe?
Did she do it because I joinied the list?
I do not know her and feel free of any guilty.
Or is it a message, that I am no longer wanted on that list?
If you do not want me, I think I have to know why ( even private)
regards
Viktoria


Kimi T. schrieb:
> From: "Kimi T." <alphamouse@...>
>
> unsubscribe
>
> =====
> Kimi
> owner, New Conceptions
> Home of PooPockets! Diaper Pattern
> http://www.netcom.com/~lchoy/index.html
> > Dalton International Feral Rescue
> They have no choice, they have no voice...THEY ONLY HAVE YOU!

"It's Me.." Maine Coons
V. + H. Wehner
91462 Dachsbach/Mfr.
Fon (+49) 9163-968919
Fax (+49) 9163-968918

Hi, Viktoria! Welcome to the list! (I only joined it myself this past
spring, and I have no idea who owns or takes care of it.)

I'm so happy to hear you breed Maine Coon cats. Our oldest cat, Barny, looks
just like a miniature Maine Coon--all the markings and other physical
characteristics, except he is so *small!* He is only 8 pounds. He is about
19 years old, and you would think he would be acting elderly. But he still
likes to keep the younger cats in line by slapping their faces on occasion!
(I have known him to pin a younger--and much heavier--cat to the floor when
they did something of which he didn't approve; though I haven't seen him do
*that* for a while!)

Cat behavior is a very interesting subject to me, too. We also have a large
feline family: 7 neutered males and 2 neutered females--all of different
mixed breeds and all rescued from less-than-happy situations. (Mostly one at
a time, accumulating over the years--we didn't *plan* to have this many
cats! <g>)

For the most part, they get along very well together. Two of them are very
good "mixers"--they get along very well with everybody, and have an open,
friendly attitude. One of these, Quincy, has formed a special bond with
Twinkles, who is a year older than he is, and whom we found several hundred
miles away. But their bond was practically *instant*! Within a week they
were sleeping with their paws around each other, tumbling with and chasing
each other, eating out of the same bowl, groomin each other....

But Quincy's brother, Reginald, could not be more different in personality.
I could write at great length about him, but I think we have some real
issues we are going to have to deal with. There is some animosity
particularly between him and Whiskers (in large part, I think, because
Whiskers associates him with another cat whom he intensely dislikes).

But my question is, How much does physical appearance play a part in the
bonding/non-bonding that takes place among cats? If you took away the
element of color (am I right in thinking that cats don't see in color?)
Quincy and Twinkles would look almost exactly alike. Is this why they took
an immediate liking to each other? And if physical appearance plays a large
role, would the group dynamics of my feline household be essentially
different from the dynamics in yours (since yours are all the same breed?)

Just an interesting thought.... Sorry for the long post!

Ruth Johnson
rjohnson@...

----- Original Message -----
From: <Viktoria.u.Harald.Wehner@...>
To: <CatBehavioristIsabel@onelist.com>
Sent: Friday, October 15, 1999 4:45 AM
Subject: [CatBehavioristIsabel] Introduction


> From: Viktoria.u.Harald.Wehner@...
>
> Hi out there,
> my name is Viktoria. Me and my husband live near Nuremberg in Germany and
we breed Maine coon since 1996.
> We joined the list, because we like to get in contact with people
concerned with behaviour science of cats.
> Just now we have 2 boys, 4 ladies, 1 neuetered girl and a bundle of 10
kitten, aged 13 to 15 weeks!
> Believe me, much to see in cat behaviour and much to wonder and think
about.
> No one is caged, just Anilene has to be seperated from time to time in the
sleeping- and bathroom area. They all live together with us in a big flat
with 2 floors.
>
> As I saw in the digest, there is not much frequency on this list.
>
> I hope it will change.
> Or is the list not working any longer?
>
> I would be happy about information.
>
> By the way - what happened to the awful boys who mistreated Dunkin to
death??
> I cannot believe such a cruelty!
>
> Viktoria
>
> > Dalton International Feral Rescue
> They have no choice, they have no voice...THEY ONLY HAVE YOU!
>

unsubscribe

=====
Kimi
owner, New Conceptions
Home of PooPockets! Diaper Pattern
http://www.netcom.com/~lchoy/index.html

Hi out there,
my name is Viktoria. Me and my husband live near Nuremberg in Germany and we
breed Maine coon since 1996.
We joined the list, because we like to get in contact with people concerned with
behaviour science of cats.
Just now we have 2 boys, 4 ladies, 1 neuetered girl and a bundle of 10 kitten,
aged 13 to 15 weeks!
Believe me, much to see in cat behaviour and much to wonder and think about.
No one is caged, just Anilene has to be seperated from time to time in the
sleeping- and bathroom area. They all live together with us in a big flat with 2
floors.

As I saw in the digest, there is not much frequency on this list.

I hope it will change.
Or is the list not working any longer?

I would be happy about information.

By the way - what happened to the awful boys who mistreated Dunkin to death??
I cannot believe such a cruelty!

Viktoria

Is anyone here?  I joined this onelist group but I haven't received anything
from you.  I even sent a letter to the list but never received it back.

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I believe the more letters begging for justice the Judge gets, the more
punishment he will feel he can lay down... My heart aches for Dunkin, and
for his family...Please, please, please....each of you write for Dunkin's
murderers to come to justice!!! REMEMBER, SENTENCING IS TOMORROW!! ~c

  Georgia Call to Action: 8/20/99
> Immediate Action needed.
>
> This alert is being sent by e-mail only.  Please forward.
>
> Dunkin's killers will be sentenced on Wednesday, August 25, 1999.
>
> The Humane Society of Hall County has asked for our support.  Letters
and
> faxes are requested to be sent to the judge to make sure he gets the
message
> that this case has not been forgotten.  Please encourage counseling
when
you
> write, also.  Background information is attached in case this is the
first
> time you have heard about this incident.
> -------------------------------
>
> Dear concerned citizens:
>
>     We have received word that the two juveniles who set "Dunkin " on
fire
> will be sentenced on Wednesday, August 25, 1999.  We must continue to
let
> people know animal cruelty is not acceptable and will not be tolerated.
If
> you wish to voice your opinion you can fax or write:
>
> Honorable Judge Jolliff
> P O Box 311
> Gainesville GA  30503
>
> Fax:  (770) 531-6940
>
>     All of us are angry and disgusted at this crime that was committed
on
> "Dunkin".  However, to be understood we need to be careful with our
faxes
and
> letters.  These boys must be punished, a message must be sent to them
and
> anyone else that they will be punished if they commit animal cruelty.
> Letters and faxes with statements saying these boys should be burned
and/or
> tortured are not taken seriously.  I know it is hard to control our
anger.
> If we are to be heard and help the animals we must communicate fact and
> reason.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Rick Aiken,
> Executive Director
> Humane Society of  Hall County
> 845 West Hope Road
> Gainesville GA  30501
> (770) 532-6617
>
> Background:
>
> July 5, 1999
> In Hall County Georgia, less than an hour north of Atlanta, two
teenagers
> aged 13 and 14 were visiting with neighbors when they started swinging
> Dunkin, a 3-month-old kitten, around by his hind legs and tail.  They
were
> asked to leave.  They came back later and poured gasoline on the kitten
and
> set him on fire with their lighter.  The teenagers were taken into
custody.
>
> Callers from as far away as Texas and Montana flooded the Humane
Society
of
> Hall County and the Browns Bridge Animal Hospital where Dunkin was
being
> treated.  The 2 1/2 to 3 pound kitten suffered severe burns to his
ears,
> feet, legs, thighs, genitals and abdomen and he was in a lot of pain.
>
> July 11, 1999
>
> Dunkin dies as a result of his injuries.  Dunkin had undergone several
> operations to remove dead skin.  Muscles, bones and veins were totally
> exposed.  Veterinarian Dick Smiley who treated Dunkin's injuries said,
"So
> much toxins in the back legs caused the animal to go into shock and
die."
>
> July 14
>
> The two teenagers are allowed to go home under house arrest.
>
> July 22, 1999
>
> The teenagers were charged with cruelty to animals and criminal damage
to
> property in the second degree.  Judge Cliff Joliff found them guilty on
both
> charges.
>
> A legally blind member of Dunkin's family testified that he smelled
smoke
and
> used a hose to stop the fire that was very close to the family's house.
> Another family member found the kitten in the ashes.
>
> Dr. Smiley testified to the pain and suffering endured by Dunkin before
his
> death.  Pictures of Dunkin's injuries were introduced as evidence.
>
> Judge Cliff Joliff told the two teenagers that he had seen a lot of
injuries,
> but he had "never encountered anything like Dr. Smiley showed me this
> morning."
>
> The teenagers were placed under house arrest and will be confined to
their
> homes until sentencing.  Besides the usual observation under house
arrest,
> the two will be required to take random drug test due to testimony
regarding
> drugs.
>
> Judge Joliff said he would sentence the teenagers in his own words,
"After
I
> have had a chance to get away from what I saw today," and after the
teenagers
> have had psychological evaluations.
>
> Sentencing date: to be announced.  Joliff said that it would be before
school
> begins
>
> Unfortunately the cruelty does not stop with Dunkin in Georgia.  You
can
> torture, kill and dismember 50 cats with an ax and that is a
misdemeanor.
>
> 27 states have legislation that would make some acts of cruelty a
felony.
> There is pending legislation LC 10 2945 that will be introduced in the
> Georgia Senate in the year 2000 sponsored by Senator Robert Brown of
Macon
> and 17 other co-sponsors listed below that would do this for Georgia.
>
> Peg Blitch, 7th District            Paul Broun, 46th District
Robert
> Brown, 26th District
> Gloria Butler, 55th District        Vincent Fort, 39th District
Phil
> Gingrey, 37th District
> Ed Harbison, 15th District      Donzella James, 35th District
Bart
> Ladd, 41st District
> Mike Polak, 42nd District       David Scott, 36th District      Faye
Smith,
> 25th District
> Charlie Tanksley, 32nd District Horacena Tate, 38th District    Don
Thomas,
> 54th District
> Nadine Thomas, 10th District    Steve Thompson, 33rd District   Charles
> Walker, 22nd District
>
> Considering the proven link between human violence and animal abuse, it
is
> time to call our legislators.  Jeffrey Dahmer and Son of Sam practiced
on
> animals.  Early intervention and counseling are in order.
>
> Cruelty to Animals(pending Senate legislation LC 10 2945) is a
comprehensive
> revision of Georgia's laws relating to animal cruelty and animal
fighting
> that will make some acts of animal cruelty a felony.
>
> This bill is intended to put some teeth into Georgia's animal cruelty
laws,
> so that offenders can be treated with a level of seriousness that is
> warranted by the nature of the crime.  It does not have any effect on
any
> reasonable activities involving animals.  It would provide for
intervention
> and counseling.
>
> The Humane Association of Georgia, The Georgia Animal Control
Association
and
> The Georgia Veterinary Medical Association support this legislation.
The
> animals need more cosponsors.
>
> This legislation will not become a bill or have a bill number until the
year
> 2000.  Contact your Senator and ask him to send you a copy of this
proposed
> legislation.  Senator Brown plans 2 hearings on this legislation in the
> Judiciary Committee in the fall.  These meetings were originally
planned
for
> the summer.  This proposed Senate bill replaces HB 362 sponsored by
Rep.
> Scott Dix which did not get out of committee in the House, but it could
come
> alive again.
>
> To do now:
> Call your Senator and ask them to cosponsor this bill.  Tell them that
you
> are a constituent.  Please let us know potential cosponsors as soon as
> possible.  Ask you legislator to send you a copy of this pending
legislation.
>
> Point out the link between animal abuse and child, spousal and elder
abuse.
> Animal control, law enforcement and DFACS are all going to the same
> addresses.  This link has been documented by the FBI, national humane
> organizations and human health agencies.
>
> Generate media coverage.  Local coverage and stories are best.  Law
> enforcement has said this bill can help apprehend drug traffickers.
There
> was an article in the Atlanta Journal Constitution on 3/4/99 about 47
> fighting cocks and hens confiscated from 2 Douglas County homes during
the
> largest drug bust in the area in recent history.  Urban gangs that
traffic
> drugs often fight dogs. The media may want to interview Representative
Scott
> Dix at (404) 656-0126 and/or Macon Assistant DA Kim Schwartz at (912)
> 749-6626, Ext. 109
>
> Other animal legislation:
>
> HB 130(there may be a substitute number in the year 2000) Animal
license
> plate to fund
> statewide spay/neuter is in an Agriculture Study Committee for the
summer,
> chaired by Representative
> Gerald Greene.  The Department of Agriculture will be working with us
to
make
> this passable legislation.
>
> Please ask your Representatives and Senators to write a letter and let
us
> know why they think that the Department of Natural Resources just had
another
> license plate passed yet our tag that would save the state money meets
with
> such opposition.
>
> HB 372 Veterinary Practice Act to update the Georgia Veterinary Medical
> Association's (GVMA) Rules and Regulations for the first time in 30
years
and
> bring Georgia into federal compliance is in an Agriculture Study
Committee
> for the summer chaired by Rep. Ann Purcell.  The GVMA is also asking
for
more
> authority to regulate their own members.  The GVMA has been very
helpful
with
> other animal legislation and we need to support this legislation.  It
will
> help the GVMA and, more importantly, it will help the animals.
>
> The Humane Society of Hall has a limited number of bumpers stickers
that
they
> have printed at their own expense to support the proposed cruelty to
animals
> legislation.  It reads: Remember Dunkin.  Make animal cruelty a felony.
It
> has a picture of Dunkin, also.
>
> You may order one by sending a short note and a self addressed stamped
> envelope to:
> The Humane Society of Hall
> 845 West Ridge Road
> Gainesville GA 30501
> (770) 532-6617
>
> From:
> Humane Association of Georgia, Inc.
> P O Box 6560 / Macon GA 31208
> Phone and Fax: (912)745-409
> e-mail:  danesel@...
> A coalition of humane societies, animal control and rescue groups.
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> Georgia Call to Action: 8/20/99
> Immediate Action needed.
>
> This alert is being sent by e-mail only.  Please forward.
>
> Dunkin's killers will be sentenced on Wednesday, August 25, 1999.
>
> The Humane Society of Hall County has asked for our support.  Letters
and
> faxes are requested to be sent to the judge to make sure he gets the
message
> that this case has not been forgotten.  Please encourage counseling
when
you
> write, also.  Background information is attached in case this is the
first
> time you have heard about this incident.
> -------------------------------
>
> Dear concerned citizens:
>
>     We have received word that the two juveniles who set "Dunkin " on
fire
> will be sentenced on Wednesday, August 25, 1999.  We must continue to
let
> people know animal cruelty is not acceptable and will not be tolerated.
If
> you wish to voice your opinion you can fax or write:
>
> Honorable Judge Jolliff
> P O Box 311
> Gainesville GA  30503
>
> Fax:  (770) 531-6940
>
>     All of us are angry and disgusted at this crime that was committed
on
> "Dunkin".  However, to be understood we need to be careful with our
faxes
and
> letters.  These boys must be punished, a message must be sent to them
and
> anyone else that they will be punished if they commit animal cruelty.
> Letters and faxes with statements saying these boys should be burned
and/or
> tortured are not taken seriously.  I know it is hard to control our
anger.
> If we are to be heard and help the animals we must communicate fact and
> reason.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Rick Aiken,
> Executive Director
> Humane Society of  Hall County
> 845 West Hope Road
> Gainesville GA  30501
> (770) 532-6617
>
> Background:
>
> July 5, 1999
> In Hall County Georgia, less than an hour north of Atlanta, two
teenagers
> aged 13 and 14 were visiting with neighbors when they started swinging
> Dunkin, a 3-month-old kitten, around by his hind legs and tail.  They
were
> asked to leave.  They came back later and poured gasoline on the kitten
and
> set him on fire with their lighter.  The teenagers were taken into
custody.
>
> Callers from as far away as Texas and Montana flooded the Humane
Society
of
> Hall County and the Browns Bridge Animal Hospital where Dunkin was
being
> treated.  The 2 1/2 to 3 pound kitten suffered severe burns to his
ears,
> feet, legs, thighs, genitals and abdomen and he was in a lot of pain.
>
> July 11, 1999
>
> Dunkin dies as a result of his injuries.  Dunkin had undergone several
> operations to remove dead skin.  Muscles, bones and veins were totally
> exposed.  Veterinarian Dick Smiley who treated Dunkin's injuries said,
"So
> much toxins in the back legs caused the animal to go into shock and
die."
>
> July 14
>
> The two teenagers are allowed to go home under house arrest.
>
> July 22, 1999
>
> The teenagers were charged with cruelty to animals and criminal damage
to
> property in the second degree.  Judge Cliff Joliff found them guilty on
both
> charges.
>
> A legally blind member of Dunkin's family testified that he smelled
smoke
and
> used a hose to stop the fire that was very close to the family's house.
> Another family member found the kitten in the ashes.
>
> Dr. Smiley testified to the pain and suffering endured by Dunkin before
his
> death.  Pictures of Dunkin's injuries were introduced as evidence.
>
> Judge Cliff Joliff told the two teenagers that he had seen a lot of
injuries,
> but he had "never encountered anything like Dr. Smiley showed me this
> morning."
>
> The teenagers were placed under house arrest and will be confined to
their
> homes until sentencing.  Besides the usual observation under house
arrest,
> the two will be required to take random drug test due to testimony
regarding
> drugs.
>
> Judge Joliff said he would sentence the teenagers in his own words,
"After
I
> have had a chance to get away from what I saw today," and after the
teenagers
> have had psychological evaluations.
>
> Sentencing date: to be announced.  Joliff said that it would be before
school
> begins
>
> Unfortunately the cruelty does not stop with Dunkin in Georgia.  You
can
> torture, kill and dismember 50 cats with an ax and that is a
misdemeanor.
>
> 27 states have legislation that would make some acts of cruelty a
felony.
> There is pending legislation LC 10 2945 that will be introduced in the
> Georgia Senate in the year 2000 sponsored by Senator Robert Brown of
Macon
> and 17 other co-sponsors listed below that would do this for Georgia.
>
> Peg Blitch, 7th District            Paul Broun, 46th District
Robert
> Brown, 26th District
> Gloria Butler, 55th District        Vincent Fort, 39th District
Phil
> Gingrey, 37th District
> Ed Harbison, 15th District      Donzella James, 35th District
Bart
> Ladd, 41st District
> Mike Polak, 42nd District       David Scott, 36th District      Faye
Smith,
> 25th District
> Charlie Tanksley, 32nd District Horacena Tate, 38th District    Don
Thomas,
> 54th District
> Nadine Thomas, 10th District    Steve Thompson, 33rd District   Charles
> Walker, 22nd District
>
> Considering the proven link between human violence and animal abuse, it
is
> time to call our legislators.  Jeffrey Dahmer and Son of Sam practiced
on
> animals.  Early intervention and counseling are in order.
>
> Cruelty to Animals(pending Senate legislation LC 10 2945) is a
comprehensive
> revision of Georgia's laws relating to animal cruelty and animal
fighting
> that will make some acts of animal cruelty a felony.
>
> This bill is intended to put some teeth into Georgia's animal cruelty
laws,
> so that offenders can be treated with a level of seriousness that is
> warranted by the nature of the crime.  It does not have any effect on
any
> reasonable activities involving animals.  It would provide for
intervention
> and counseling.
>
> The Humane Association of Georgia, The Georgia Animal Control
Association
and
> The Georgia Veterinary Medical Association support this legislation.
The
> animals need more cosponsors.
>
> This legislation will not become a bill or have a bill number until the
year
> 2000.  Contact your Senator and ask him to send you a copy of this
proposed
> legislation.  Senator Brown plans 2 hearings on this legislation in the
> Judiciary Committee in the fall.  These meetings were originally
planned
for
> the summer.  This proposed Senate bill replaces HB 362 sponsored by
Rep.
> Scott Dix which did not get out of committee in the House, but it could
come
> alive again.
>
> To do now:
> Call your Senator and ask them to cosponsor this bill.  Tell them that
you
> are a constituent.  Please let us know potential cosponsors as soon as
> possible.  Ask you legislator to send you a copy of this pending
legislation.
>
> Point out the link between animal abuse and child, spousal and elder
abuse.
> Animal control, law enforcement and DFACS are all going to the same
> addresses.  This link has been documented by the FBI, national humane
> organizations and human health agencies.
>
> Generate media coverage.  Local coverage and stories are best.  Law
> enforcement has said this bill can help apprehend drug traffickers.
There
> was an article in the Atlanta Journal Constitution on 3/4/99 about 47
> fighting cocks and hens confiscated from 2 Douglas County homes during
the
> largest drug bust in the area in recent history.  Urban gangs that
traffic
> drugs often fight dogs. The media may want to interview Representative
Scott
> Dix at (404) 656-0126 and/or Macon Assistant DA Kim Schwartz at (912)
> 749-6626, Ext. 109
>
> Other animal legislation:
>
> HB 130(there may be a substitute number in the year 2000) Animal
license
> plate to fund
> statewide spay/neuter is in an Agriculture Study Committee for the
summer,
> chaired by Representative
> Gerald Greene.  The Department of Agriculture will be working with us
to
make
> this passable legislation.
>
> Please ask your Representatives and Senators to write a letter and let
us
> know why they think that the Department of Natural Resources just had
another
> license plate passed yet our tag that would save the state money meets
with
> such opposition.
>
> HB 372 Veterinary Practice Act to update the Georgia Veterinary Medical
> Association's (GVMA) Rules and Regulations for the first time in 30
years
and
> bring Georgia into federal compliance is in an Agriculture Study
Committee
> for the summer chaired by Rep. Ann Purcell.  The GVMA is also asking
for
more
> authority to regulate their own members.  The GVMA has been very
helpful
with
> other animal legislation and we need to support this legislation.  It
will
> help the GVMA and, more importantly, it will help the animals.
>
> The Humane Society of Hall has a limited number of bumpers stickers
that
they
> have printed at their own expense to support the proposed cruelty to
animals
> legislation.  It reads: Remember Dunkin.  Make animal cruelty a felony.
It
> has a picture of Dunkin, also.
>
> You may order one by sending a short note and a self addressed stamped
> envelope to:
> The Humane Society of Hall
> 845 West Ridge Road
> Gainesville GA 30501
> (770) 532-6617
>
> From:
> Humane Association of Georgia, Inc.
> P O Box 6560 / Macon GA 31208
> Phone and Fax: (912)745-409
> e-mail:  danesel@...
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> Click Here: <A HREF="http://humassocga.org">HAGA</A> to visit our
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Thanks for responding.  Unfortunately, I don't have a
copy of the original letter I posted.

My cats are soooo brilliant, they sit on cue, speak on
cue, one says mama and means it, they fetch, they come
to their individual names.  I don't understand why
they just can't stop spraying.  I did try putting them
in the litter box every half hour and praise them,
that didn't work.  What is most funny, today while in
the bathroom with my "jailbirds" the one I did that
with kept going into the litter box and coming out
again just to please me.  She knew that what was going
on had to do with that.

I did see the clicker training list.  I'll get on it.

Kimi


--- Wendy Jeffries <salt@...> wrote:
> From: "Wendy Jeffries" <salt@...>
>
> Goodmorning Kimi,
>     I have never seen any message answered on this
> list by Isabel,
> only myself and I think I've been on this list about
> 6 months.  Sorry.
>
> However, I have just started a list devoted to
> something that might
> help you.  You have done all the right things, with
> medicalchecks and
> cleaning.  You have probably tried scolding, but
> that rarely works
> with a cat.  If you would like to try training them
> in a kind, gently
> and fun way sign up on the cat-clicker list at
> Onelist.  I know there
> is one person there who has already been helped with
> my suggestions on
> this problem.  She hasn't even started clicker
> training the offender
> but has started rewarding big time.  She puts the
> cat in the litter
> several times a day and praises.  If they happen to
> potty she rewards
> with major good treats.  Training a few other easy
> behaviors like
> target training and sit on cue would really round
> out her problem
> kitties repertoire of rewarded behaviors.  Clicker
> training gives the
> cat quality time, improves their behavior in many
> ways as a side
> benefit to learning to learn.  Cats are very smart.
> I think they
> enjoy the opportunity to learn and be creative.
>
> I doubt you are going to have the same results just
> by putting cats in
> the box and rewarding as it sounds like you have a
> MAJOR problem with
> several cats.  If you can spend five minutes a day
> with each cat, and
> would like to give it a try please sign on to
> cat-clicker and resend
> the same message I just read.
>
> Have clicker - will travel
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Goodmorning Kimi,
     I have never seen any message answered on this list by Isabel,
only myself and I think I've been on this list about 6 months.  Sorry.

However, I have just started a list devoted to something that might
help you.  You have done all the right things, with medicalchecks and
cleaning.  You have probably tried scolding, but that rarely works
with a cat.  If you would like to try training them in a kind, gently
and fun way sign up on the cat-clicker list at Onelist.  I know there
is one person there who has already been helped with my suggestions on
this problem.  She hasn't even started clicker training the offender
but has started rewarding big time.  She puts the cat in the litter
several times a day and praises.  If they happen to potty she rewards
with major good treats.  Training a few other easy behaviors like
target training and sit on cue would really round out her problem
kitties repertoire of rewarded behaviors.  Clicker training gives the
cat quality time, improves their behavior in many ways as a side
benefit to learning to learn.  Cats are very smart.  I think they
enjoy the opportunity to learn and be creative.

I doubt you are going to have the same results just by putting cats in
the box and rewarding as it sounds like you have a MAJOR problem with
several cats.  If you can spend five minutes a day with each cat, and
would like to give it a try please sign on to cat-clicker and resend
the same message I just read.

Have clicker - will travel
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hello, I'm Kimi and I have 7 indoor only cats and
occasionally foster bottle feeders for my local rescue
organization.  My cats are brilliant, have all their
claws, are fixed, have many, many scratching posts of
all sizes and live a good life.  I work at home so I'm
theirs, even though I do daycare, the babies are the
non-mobile variety.  About 3 years ago, I babysat 2
kittens for a friend.  Ever since then, my house has
been in upset.  They were only with us for ten days,
but mine started spraying and picking on each other,
particularly Max tormenting Sunshine.  Both were born
and raised in this house!  Sunshine is 8 weeks older
than Max.

In the past year, the spraying is unbearable.  I've
had the carpets changed, I'm a wiz a cleaning the
urine out and treating it.  I've done just about
everything, I've called Kate Gamble, cat behavior
specialist, tin foil, vet exams, food in favorite
marking spots, new toys, litter, boxes, Feliway
etc....What I haven't tried is medications, electronic
gizmos and super serious restriction to a cage.  I've
restricted them to a room, the bathroom before, but
only for three days.

What I'm thinking is this:  I need to build a cat
condo or acquire one inexpensively, say under $50
(please don't laugh, these cats are going to bankrupt
me in carpet enzymatic cleaners alone).  Then I need
to learn how to retrain my cats to 1) Use the
litterbox for all urinating, 2) Help them to establish
their hierarchy so that Sunshine can go to the
litterbox and use it and not have Max waiting for her
to come out so he can terrorize her, 3) They need to
quite urinating on my daycare babies' things.  I cover
the cribs with grates and lately, they've just sat on
the grate and gone potty down into the bed!  4) They
need to get it that I'm the Alphacat!  If I sew, they
may not spray on my sewing stuff, especially my
machine!  If I play the piano, they cannot spray on my
piano!  If I put a kid in the highchair, they cannot
spray on my kitchen table and the highchair!

All I know is that when I did daycare for the kid of a
vet, she told me that she would have given up by now,
and she has a ton of tolerance!  I know that if I gave
these guys to a new home, they would be put down in a
week, so that's not an option.  If I thought they
would stop it and be happier with a new home, I'd do
it, but I just don't know how to tell.

I plan on going to Home Depot tomorrow and looking at
construction materials for my cat condo.  Next, do I
put the three guilty ones in it together?  Or do I
keep them very separated?

Please help me before I abandon my home to my cats and
go off the deep end.  I would love to wake up just
once and not find cat urine outside the litter box!

Kimi

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> > >First, I apologize for the forward.  I am
hoping
> > >that someone can help this lady.  Please, if you live in this area,
or
> > >know of any organization that can help her.....email her with the
info.
> > >I also ask that you send this to your friends. The internet is a
small
> > >world.... it might just land in the right hands!!
> > >
> > >Please read the letter, below.  You can see a pic of these beautiful
> > >furbabies at
> > >http://albums.photopoint.com/j/View?u=18666&a=101643&p=10812072
> > >
> > >Thank you all for your time.....Ellie
> > >
> > >CATS & PINK CADILLACS
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> > >CRAZY FOR CATS WEBRING
> > ><http://members.tripod.com/~Pink73/CATSRINGindex65.html>
> >
> > >
> > >Thanks for your response..and I understand. The warwick VSA is
trying
to
> > >help me now...but maybe you could offer some suggestions also. I
became
> > >disabled 6 months ago..and now am forced to moved into an apartment
that
> > >doesn't allow pets. My 3 guys we're originally foster "children"
that I
> > >took in..and of course..once they have become a part of your
life...it's
> > >very hard to let them go.  I have them on an adoption websight
now..and
> > >have posters and ads..as well as spreading the word to everyone I
know.
> > >Do you know of any place in the RI/Mass area that would take my
guys?
> > >This is breaking my heart just to have to give them up..and there is
no
> > >way I could send them to a shelter. they are all healthy
males..neutered
> > >and up to date on all shots..Socks is my "old man" at around 12 (he
was
> > >fully grown when I took him in) Oreo is 5..born to a ferral mom..but
> > >hand fed and raised to be  quite the gentleman..and velcro is my 1
yr
> > >old adventuresome...charming..and somewhat mischievous guy. he's
named
> > >velcro because from the day I brought him home at 3 weeks..he has
clung
> > >to me and gets quite vocal if I leave even for a little while. So
you
> > >see..this is going to be one of the most difficult things I have had
to
> > >face..but..I'm hoping thru folks like you and the Vsa..to be able to
at
> > >least find someplace for them that will give me some comfort. Thanks
for
> > >listening.
> > >Barbara and the guys
> > >
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to assist these poor kitties! Christy


Subject: PG County MD Himalayans>Prince
>          William County (VA) Animal Shelter has a number of Himalayans,
>many are in>rough>          physical or emotional shape.  I feel awful
because
>we>          are way over capacity and can't do anything right>now.
>          But I thought you might have a contact.  If you>do, the
>          shelter # is 703-792-6465;>>>Pls spread the word

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PLEASE take the time to make a difference..

  >purrrs & stuff - http://members.tripod.com/~Pink73/MENUindex-0.html
  >
  >Meowwsss Efuryone....
  >
  >This is not the regular issue of purrrs & stuff.
  >We received the following notice; and, are asking
  >that you all read and sign the petition.  This will
  >only take about 2 minutes; and, will help with the
  >terrible cat over population situation.
  >
  >"The campaign to get the US Post Office to issue a
  >Spay/Neuter Stamp needs your help. Click on the
  >ASPCA link below, and a letter will be faxed to the
  >Post MasterGeneral in your name.
  >Click on this link:
  >http://www.lobbynet.com/stamp/
  >
  >Please take the time for this! Every year, an
  >average of 5 million animals are euthanized simply
  >for lack of homes. An unknown number of animals are
  >simply put out to fend for themselves, because the owners mistakenly
  >believe the animal will fend for itself."
  >
  >We thank you for your time....
  >
  >Remember, Happiness is a soft, warm ball of fur
  >that loves you unconditionally.
  >
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Ha Ha.  Smart cat.  How about using DEEP water?  Wet paws  might be
acceptable to kitty  but three inches deep might not.

Have clicker - will travel
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I appreciate your response, Wendy.
I went right in and tried using some very large cookie sheets with water
in them. Hermes jumped over the first one, so I got another larger one
and placed them side by side. He assessed the situation and deftly
leaped over the water to the edge of the dog door and pushed his way out
with one swift motion.................Then turned to see me watching
through the window.
Popoki watched all this and is still sitting near the door, staring at
the water.
So, I shall be looking for the (no doubt expensive) dog door with the
special signal collar.
Hopefully, it comes with a collar small enough for a Chihuahua!
Thanks again for all the advice.
Lori

Hi Lori,

I don't know what is going on with this list.  'Isabel' seems to be
missing in action, as I have never seen a single post with an answer,
but I can give you my two cents worth being a general all round animal
trainer.

Cats learn quite well by watching.  Yours have been rewarded several
times now for going through the door.  Going outside is FUN for a cat
so now you have a well established behavior.  I'ld say the only chance
you had of keeping them from it would have been if you had applied an
aversive stimuli (like a squirt gun) the very first time they tried
it.  Now is too late in my estimation.  Even then, I think a cat is
smart enough to figure out that only happens when YOU are around.  I
don't like training animals through punishment anyway.  The ONLY thing
I can think of would be put a LARGE pan of water in front of the
doggie door.  Teach the dogs to walk through it to get outside and
hope your cats don't like outside enough to overcome their dislike of
the water.

Other than that, I have seen advertisement for a door that only opens
if the animal is wearing a collar which give off the signal to unlock.
That was undoubtedly designed for this problem.  I've never tried it
though.

Have clicker - will travel
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Hello,
I am new to this list. My name is Lori and I'm
owned by two (neutered) cats, Popoki and Hermes.
I also have two Siberian Huskies and a Chihuahua.
I have recently moved and installed a dog door
in the new house so the dogs can get to the back
yard. Now, my cats have learned to use the dog
door and absolutely LOVE it! They've been going
out for two days and lay around on the carport
and catch bugs in the grass. However, I don't
want them to go outside at all. They've only
ever been on a private deck. They are not
vaccinated for Lukemia and have no flea
protection (yet). More importantly, I don't want
them to get into contact with stray cats or get
hit by a car etc. Is there any way I can train
them not to go through the dog door? If not,
I will need to get them vaccinated for Lukemia
(but I heard that is no guarantee) and get some
flea protection....also I suppose they'll need
heartworm protection too?
The best thing would be to find a way to train
them not to use the dog door. But how??
Thanks for any advice.
Lori

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On Mon, 14 Jun 1999 21:33:50 -0400 "paula brown-gibson"
<keywest@...> writes:
> From: "paula brown-gibson" <keywest@...>
>
> I had 3 dogs and 5 cats, all indoor.  All neutered.  All living
> basically
> happily together.  Until Halloween night last year.  A cat almost
> got hit by
> a car in front of my house while passing out treats.  I grabbed her,
> kept
> her on our front porch until all medical procedures could be done.
> She
> received her Feleuk test, all vaccinations, and spaying/front declaw
> (I
> know - no flames please).  From the get go, she was very very
> loving, but
> very hateful towards the other cats.  I figured with time, things
> would get
> better.  We'll, unfortunately they haven't.  Over six months later,
> she is
> still provoking fights with the other cats, and within the past
> month, has
> taken to spraying.  This is not squatting, this is spraying.
> Usually in the
> bathtub or bathroom sink, but has gone on the carpeting.  I
> physically bring
> her to the litterbox (we have six of them, different types of
> litter, some
> covered, all scooped daily) at least three times a day, gently
> deposit her
> in there, and praise her to no end when she urinates in it (btw:  is
> using
> the litterbox for defacating).  I am planning on bringing in at the
> least a
> urine sample, but because of the spraying posture, I don't believe
> it is a
> medical problem.  After talking to my vet's office, only Ovaban was
> suggested.  This is something I would like to stay away from, but
> may
> consider if nothing else helps.  I have never caught her "in the
> act".
> Background on me:  I have worked as a veterinary technician for
> almost ten
> years, have had cats for many, many years, and have been very active
> in cat
> counseling.  But now I need the help!  I am wondering if anyone has
> any
> suggestions for this girl.  She is approximately one year old.  I am
> the
> type of person that believes that pets are a lifetime committment.
> Because
> of her declaw and my own personal beliefs, I could not make her an
> outdoor
> cat.  That is just not an option in my book.
>
> Thanking you in advance.  Private replies are welcome:
> keywest@...
>
>
>
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I had 3 dogs and 5 cats, all indoor.  All neutered.  All living basically
happily together.  Until Halloween night last year.  A cat almost got hit by
a car in front of my house while passing out treats.  I grabbed her, kept
her on our front porch until all medical procedures could be done.  She
received her Feleuk test, all vaccinations, and spaying/front declaw (I
know - no flames please).  From the get go, she was very very loving, but
very hateful towards the other cats.  I figured with time, things would get
better.  We'll, unfortunately they haven't.  Over six months later, she is
still provoking fights with the other cats, and within the past month, has
taken to spraying.  This is not squatting, this is spraying.  Usually in the
bathtub or bathroom sink, but has gone on the carpeting.  I physically bring
her to the litterbox (we have six of them, different types of litter, some
covered, all scooped daily) at least three times a day, gently deposit her
in there, and praise her to no end when she urinates in it (btw:  is using
the litterbox for defacating).  I am planning on bringing in at the least a
urine sample, but because of the spraying posture, I don't believe it is a
medical problem.  After talking to my vet's office, only Ovaban was
suggested.  This is something I would like to stay away from, but may
consider if nothing else helps.  I have never caught her "in the act".
Background on me:  I have worked as a veterinary technician for almost ten
years, have had cats for many, many years, and have been very active in cat
counseling.  But now I need the help!  I am wondering if anyone has any
suggestions for this girl.  She is approximately one year old.  I am the
type of person that believes that pets are a lifetime committment.  Because
of her declaw and my own personal beliefs, I could not make her an outdoor
cat.  That is just not an option in my book.

Thanking you in advance.  Private replies are welcome:  keywest@...

Hello,
   Any suggestions for nuetered (as juvenile) male cat who just loves to back up
to my curtains and spray?

Wendy