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#87 From: "David Pickering" <chamowner@...>
Date: Mon Jun 29, 2009 12:29 pm
Subject: RE: Question about parsons.. 		chamowner
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I apologize for not responding. I have been trying to start a new business and it is very time consuming.
 
I started a reply when you first asked. I really have no information on this topic. I have known a few people who kept Parsons and they are their favorites. The shared pictures and stories. I know one talented girl who has successfully bred them. I have some of her pictures on the website at: http://chamownersweb.net/photo_galleries/photogals.htm. There is some good info here also:http://books.google.com/books?id=6NxRP1-XygwC&pg=PA67&lpg=PA67&dq=parsons+chameleon&source=bl&ots=RpgHu-Fbli&sig=KnIZBk6rkxKqLe_B2BeIEIZWT2s&hl=en&ei=BaxISvm1I9evtwftrMSMCg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=8. The link is from googling Parson's chameleon and is an excerpt from a Barron's book. 
I do not know if these will work, but here are some links to posts on ADCHAM about parsons. I really do not know of any effort to keep this info secret. If the links do not work, go to http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/ADCHAM/ and search for parson.
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13184 RE: [ADCHAM] parsonii egg laying question
... 1 : Sat, 20 Dec 2008 20:54:28 -0500Subject: RE: [ADCHAM] parsonii egg laying question I don't have a lot of experience with egglaying ... bigmikee51@... : Sat, 20 Dec 2008 12:04:12 +0000Subject: [ADCHAM] parsonii egg laying question hallo there i wonder how i shall act with ... 		Dec 21, 2008
12:25 pm
13183 RE: [ADCHAM] parsonii egg laying question
I don't have a lot of experience with egglaying in parson's, but the female that laid eggs for me laid them in a relatively ... Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 12:04:12 +0000 Subject: [ADCHAM] parsonii egg laying question hallo there i wonder how i shall act ... 		Dec 21, 2008
1:54 am
13182 RE: [ADCHAM] parsonii egg laying question
... 1 : Sat, 20 Dec 2008 06:32:30 -0800Subject: RE: [ADCHAM] parsonii egg laying question Howdy Mikael, Although I'm hoping someone ... expert knowledge before trying it. Another site with several parsonii keepers is www.chameleonforums.com. If you post there you will ... 		Dec 20, 2008
4:51 pm
13181 RE: [ADCHAM] parsonii egg laying question
Howdy Mikael, Although I'm hoping someone here with parsonii experience will post, I'll mention a couple of things to ... next to also. I have heard that it is more likely that parsonii may require oxytocin but I would definitely consult a Vet ... 		Dec 20, 2008
2:32 pm
13180 parsonii egg laying question
hallo there i wonder how i shall act with my female that is pregnant,shall i wait for her to dig or shall i put her in a barrel with soil.or do i have to give her oxytocin? 		Dec 20, 2008
12:04 pm
13179 Re: RE: [ADCHAM] pictures
Hello Francois, i chose this temperature because they live sympatric with the yellow lips parsonii. i had 26 eggs, i lost one after 5 months, 3 neonates didn't hatch though they scarified the eggs, 4 neonates died after some days ...
Oct 26, 2008
10:27 am
13174 Re: RE: [ADCHAM] pictures
The incubation takes 15 months with temperatures between 17 - 23°C. I attached pictures of the parents. Regards, Timo 		Oct 21, 2008
11:42 am
13169 [ADCHAM] pictures
Hello, first i want to start a "do you know what kind of species it is?"-topic, but i think it's too easy, because they look like their parents. So just enjoy. Regards, Timo 		Oct 18, 2008
1:37 pm
13160 Rh. (Rd.) platyceps
Hey everyone, I was looking over some sources and found some confounding information about Rhampholeon platyceps. According to Necas & Schmidt 2004, Rh. p. carri lacks a rostral process and the nominate form has a short, soft rostral process. All the ...
Sep 3, 2008
1:18 am
13159 Re: [ADCHAM] melleri virus
... course..... On 9/1/08 5:34 AM, "Francois Le Berre" <kassiba@... wrote: A knowledgeable French friend of mine has managed to breed C. parsonii, and many other species of chameleons. Would you like him to join the group? Cheers F. Explore the seven wonders of the world Learn ...
 
 
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From: ChamownersWeb_Community@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ChamownersWeb_Community@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of dodolah penasaran
Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 6:43 AM
To: ChamownersWeb_Community@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ChamownersWeb_Community] Question about parsons..

:) exactly, hmm I thought i would be ignored as well in here with this kind of Qs...
i wonder why..
Same reaction everywhere..
I just want to know about the history behind all the hush hush.. Obviously, i struck some nerves when the word "parsonii" is mentioned.
With all the weird behavior from every chameleon owner, I assumed every parsonii now that live are illegally obtained somehow. I just want to know the fact behind that statement before I deemed it as the truth..
sigh..
thanks anyway.

--- On Sat, 6/20/09, dodolah1981 <dodolah1981@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: dodolah1981 <dodolah1981@yahoo.com>
Subject: [ChamownersWeb_Community] Question about parsons..
To: ChamownersWeb_Community@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, June 20, 2009, 8:07 PM

Hi David,
I have cared about chameleon long time ago; but, back then when i was at a different country. And, the care was different compared with US way.

Now, as I returned to my old passion in keeping for chameleon, I haven't been properly introduced to the history of it.

I knew you've been keeping chams for so long.. but, I was wondering if you would not mind enlightening me about the controversial topics of Calumma parsonii.

I just knew a very brief history of US breeders have never been successfully breed them.. and after that it gets blurry fast.
as people been very secretive about it and the fact that this kind of question always spark intense argument everytime being mentioned in a public forum, i thought it best if I just ask individual people.
What exactly happened there? and why the hush hush and sensitivity among US herp hobbyist arose whenever the name parsoni mentioned?

Perhaps, you can just email me directly.. if it is better to do so..



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#86 From: dodolah penasaran <dodolah1981@...>
Date: Mon Jun 29, 2009 10:43 am
Subject: Re: Question about parsons.. 		dodolah1981
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:) exactly, hmm I thought i would be ignored as well in here with this kind of Qs...
i wonder why..
Same reaction everywhere..
I just want to know about the history behind all the hush hush.. Obviously, i struck some nerves when the word "parsonii" is mentioned.
With all the weird behavior from every chameleon owner, I assumed every parsonii now that live are illegally obtained somehow. I just want to know the fact behind that statement before I deemed it as the truth..
sigh..
thanks anyway.

--- On Sat, 6/20/09, dodolah1981 <dodolah1981@...> wrote:

From: dodolah1981 <dodolah1981@...>
Subject: [ChamownersWeb_Community] Question about parsons..
To: ChamownersWeb_Community@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, June 20, 2009, 8:07 PM

Hi David,
I have cared about chameleon long time ago; but, back then when i was at a different country. And, the care was different compared with US way.

Now, as I returned to my old passion in keeping for chameleon, I haven't been properly introduced to the history of it.

I knew you've been keeping chams for so long.. but, I was wondering if you would not mind enlightening me about the controversial topics of Calumma parsonii.

I just knew a very brief history of US breeders have never been successfully breed them.. and after that it gets blurry fast.
as people been very secretive about it and the fact that this kind of question always spark intense argument everytime being mentioned in a public forum, i thought it best if I just ask individual people.
What exactly happened there? and why the hush hush and sensitivity among US herp hobbyist arose whenever the name parsoni mentioned?

Perhaps, you can just email me directly.. if it is better to do so..



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#85 From: "dodolah1981" <dodolah1981@...>
Date: Sun Jun 21, 2009 3:07 am
Subject: Question about parsons.. 		dodolah1981
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Hi David,
I have cared about chameleon long time ago; but, back then when i was at a
different country. And, the care was different compared with US way.

Now, as I returned to my old passion in keeping for chameleon, I haven't been
properly introduced to the history of it.

I knew you've been keeping chams for so long.. but, I was wondering if you would
not mind enlightening me about the controversial topics of Calumma parsonii.

I just knew a very brief history of US breeders have never been successfully
breed them.. and after that it gets blurry fast.
as people been very secretive about it and the fact that this kind of question
always spark intense argument everytime being mentioned in a public forum, i
thought it best if I just ask individual people.
What exactly happened there? and why the hush hush and sensitivity among US herp
hobbyist arose whenever the name parsoni mentioned?

Perhaps, you can just email me directly.. if it is better to do so..

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#84 From: dodolah penasaran <dodolah1981@...>
Date: Sun Jun 14, 2009 10:12 am
Subject: RE: Thamnobates care 		dodolah1981
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Thanks, David.


--- On Sat, 6/13/09, David Pickering <chamowner@...> wrote:

From: David Pickering <chamowner@...>
Subject: RE: [ChamownersWeb_Community] Thamnobates care
To: ChamownersWeb_Community@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, June 13, 2009, 7:18 AM

You can read an article at: http://www.nctfores t.com/showpage. asp?id=45&contentid=445&catid=58 but the ADCHAM profile is probably the best info. Lynn Raw, who described the species is a member of ADCHAM, however he did not write the ADCHAM profile on this species. 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: ChamownersWeb_ Community@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:ChamownersW eb_Community@ yahoogroups. com]On Behalf Of dodolah1981
Sent: Friday, June 12, 2009 9:34 PM
To: ChamownersWeb_ Community@ yahoogroups. com
Subject: [ChamownersWeb_ Community] Thamnobates care

Hey David,

Just wondering, do you have a resource or a link (other than adcham) that cover the care for Bradypodion Thamnobates?

Thanks



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#83 From: "David Pickering" <chamowner@...>
Date: Sat Jun 13, 2009 2:18 pm
Subject: RE: Thamnobates care 		chamowner
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You can read an article at: http://www.nctforest.com/showpage.asp?id=45&contentid=445&catid=58 but the ADCHAM profile is probably the best info. Lynn Raw, who described the species is a member of ADCHAM, however he did not write the ADCHAM profile on this species. 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: ChamownersWeb_Community@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ChamownersWeb_Community@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of dodolah1981
Sent: Friday, June 12, 2009 9:34 PM
To: ChamownersWeb_Community@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ChamownersWeb_Community] Thamnobates care

Hey David,

Just wondering, do you have a resource or a link (other than adcham) that cover the care for Bradypodion Thamnobates?

Thanks


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#82 From: "dodolah1981" <dodolah1981@...>
Date: Sat Jun 13, 2009 1:34 am
Subject: Thamnobates care 		dodolah1981
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Hey David,

Just wondering, do you have a resource or a link (other than adcham) that cover
the care for Bradypodion Thamnobates?


Thanks

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#81 From: Marlene Clark <countryzoo2000@...>
Date: Mon Jun 1, 2009 2:39 pm
Subject: RE: vail not climbing???? 		countryzoo2000
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 i might have been the cause i was not spraying as much as i did.
 
they have been using the water dish to drink out of i put in cage and i had white sand in a bowl she has layed eggs before and i took the eggs out away one time she got big and then no eggs  this last time? I did have a bigger pan with sand before ma be it was not big enough for her this last time would the eggs /
 
  i will watch a lot better i don't want to lost the one i have left. Is it good to put out in the sun they all ways had shade if they wanted it??

 Marlene Clark
   


--- On Mon, 6/1/09, David Pickering <chamowner@...> wrote:

From: David Pickering <chamowner@...>
Subject: RE: [ChamownersWeb_Community] vail not climbing????
To: ChamownersWeb_Community@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, June 1, 2009, 7:12 AM

Spraying them is even more important than feeding them. At the very least put a dripper on the cage so there is a constant source of water. From your description it sounds like she had a prolapse which could have been caused by egg binding, or something she ate. Even if she was never mated, she will produce eggs. If she had no suitable place to lay them she could have died from carrying them too long.

 -----Original Message-----
From: ChamownersWeb_ Community@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:ChamownersW eb_Community@ yahoogroups. com]On Behalf Of Marlene Clark
Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 2:24 AM
To: ChamownersWeb_ Community@ yahoogroups. com
Subject: RE: [ChamownersWeb_ Community] vail not climbing????

I do have a male left he is doing good.
Could i have stressed her out ? she was the worse to be moved out to the out door cage. the cage was just like the in door cage.
I put them out side in the fresh air on nice days i was not spraying them like i do eather maby only once a day
 


 
 Marlene Clark
   


--- On Sun, 5/31/09, David Pickering <chamowner@comcast. net> wrote:

From: David Pickering <chamowner@comcast. net>
Subject: RE: [ChamownersWeb_ Community] vail not climbing????
To: ChamownersWeb_ Community@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Sunday, May 31, 2009, 11:16 PM

Sorry to hear that.
-----Original Message-----
From: ChamownersWeb_ Community@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:ChamownersW eb_Community@ yahoogroups. com]On Behalf Of Marlene Clark
Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 1:56 AM
To: ChamownersWeb_ Community@ yahoogroups. com
Subject: RE: [ChamownersWeb_ Community] vail not climbing????

 we she passed away before i could get her to the vets.
when she popped it was like her insides were coming out??
 sorry i did not get to you a few day ago was busy taking care of the grand kids

 Marlene Clark
   


--- On Tue, 5/26/09, David Pickering <chamowner@comcast. net> wrote:

From: David Pickering <chamowner@comcast. net>
Subject: RE: [ChamownersWeb_ Community] vail not climbing????
To: ChamownersWeb_ Community@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Tuesday, May 26, 2009, 5:26 AM

mid 70's is good for night temp.
-----Original Message-----
From: ChamownersWeb_ Community@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:ChamownersW eb_Community@ yahoogroups. com]On Behalf Of Marlene Clark
Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 11:21 PM
To: ChamownersWeb_ Community@ yahoogroups. com
Subject: RE: [ChamownersWeb_ Community] vail not climbing????

what should the temp be at night they go up and down in cage all the time they never stay on the botton of cage too long
 


 
 Marlene Clark
   


--- On Mon, 5/25/09, David Pickering <chamowner@comcast. net> wrote:

From: David Pickering <chamowner@comcast. net>
Subject: RE: [ChamownersWeb_ Community] vail not climbing????
To: ChamownersWeb_ Community@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Monday, May 25, 2009, 8:03 PM

Remember, they need the temperature to drop at night. so the lights should all go out at night. good luck and let us know what happens.
-----Original Message-----
From: ChamownersWeb_ Community@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:ChamownersW eb_Community@ yahoogroups. com]On Behalf Of Marlene Clark
Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 10:29 PM
To: ChamownersWeb_ Community@ yahoogroups. com
Subject: RE: [ChamownersWeb_ Community] vail not climbing????

 i did put a little 75  black light lower for her and put the themator in o see how warm it is  i have sprayed her  i all way use warm warter but haven't been doing  like i do most of the time.  I have been working in the yard and not taking care of them i should.  she is moving on the ground but not climbing up  like she does not to fast i Will take cricket parts of so they will stay on the ground for her
 
 thank you David
 you have helped me before glad you are here

 Marlene Clark
   


--- On Mon, 5/25/09, David Pickering <chamowner@comcast. net> wrote:

From: David Pickering <chamowner@comcast. net>
Subject: RE: [ChamownersWeb_Community] vail not climbing????
To: ChamownersWeb_ Community@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Monday, May 25, 2009, 7:19 PM

I think the water is more important than the heat. Try to spray her and the enclosure with warm water. see if she will drink.
-----Original Message-----
From: ChamownersWeb_ Community@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:ChamownersW eb_Community@ yahoogroups. com]On Behalf Of Marlene Clark
Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 9:01 PM
To: ChamownersWeb_ Community@ yahoogroups. com
Subject: RE: [ChamownersWeb_ Community] vail not climbing????

crickets feeding with vit. on, lighting i good. i have been putting them out side on nice day  with shade when they want shade. i have mess  screen black cages  paid $165.00 for cage  i havent been doing the spray as much a i do.  Just seams to not want to move that much or go up high where the heat is ?? she falls down  when i put her up she seams like she does not want to move her legs too well?
 i  will try to get into vet tomorrow should i have some more heat near the bottom for her??

 Marlene Clark
   


--- On Mon, 5/25/09, David Pickering <chamowner@comcast. net> wrote:

From: David Pickering <chamowner@comcast. net>
Subject: RE: [ChamownersWeb_ Community] vail not climbing????
To: ChamownersWeb_ Community@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Monday, May 25, 2009, 5:22 PM

Hopefully, she is eating and drinking? You probably should have her checked out by a vet. What food are you offering? What kind of enclosure and lighting? Are you spraying the cage three or four times a day for several minutes to allow her to drink?
 
-----Original Message-----
From: ChamownersWeb_ Community@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:ChamownersW eb_Community@ yahoogroups. com]On Behalf Of marlene
Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 5:22 PM
To: ChamownersWeb_ Community@ yahoogroups. com
Subject: [ChamownersWeb_ Community] vail not climbing????

i have a 3 year old vail that seame to fall off things alot now she is staying on the floor a lot???mar iam going to watch to see if she is eating and walking around on the floor today








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#80 From: "David Pickering" <chamowner@...>
Date: Mon Jun 1, 2009 2:12 pm
Subject: RE: vail not climbing???? 		chamowner
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Spraying them is even more important than feeding them. At the very least put a dripper on the cage so there is a constant source of water. From your description it sounds like she had a prolapse which could have been caused by egg binding, or something she ate. Even if she was never mated, she will produce eggs. If she had no suitable place to lay them she could have died from carrying them too long.

 -----Original Message-----
From: ChamownersWeb_Community@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ChamownersWeb_Community@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Marlene Clark
Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 2:24 AM
To: ChamownersWeb_Community@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [ChamownersWeb_Community] vail not climbing????

I do have a male left he is doing good.
Could i have stressed her out ? she was the worse to be moved out to the out door cage. the cage was just like the in door cage.
I put them out side in the fresh air on nice days i was not spraying them like i do eather maby only once a day
 


 
 Marlene Clark
   


--- On Sun, 5/31/09, David Pickering <chamowner@comcast.net> wrote:

From: David Pickering <chamowner@comcast.net>
Subject: RE: [ChamownersWeb_Community] vail not climbing????
To: ChamownersWeb_Community@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, May 31, 2009, 11:16 PM

Sorry to hear that.
-----Original Message-----
From: ChamownersWeb_ Community@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:ChamownersW eb_Community@ yahoogroups. com]On Behalf Of Marlene Clark
Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 1:56 AM
To: ChamownersWeb_ Community@ yahoogroups. com
Subject: RE: [ChamownersWeb_ Community] vail not climbing????

 we she passed away before i could get her to the vets.
when she popped it was like her insides were coming out??
 sorry i did not get to you a few day ago was busy taking care of the grand kids

 Marlene Clark
   


--- On Tue, 5/26/09, David Pickering <chamowner@comcast. net> wrote:

From: David Pickering <chamowner@comcast. net>
Subject: RE: [ChamownersWeb_ Community] vail not climbing????
To: ChamownersWeb_ Community@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Tuesday, May 26, 2009, 5:26 AM

mid 70's is good for night temp.
-----Original Message-----
From: ChamownersWeb_ Community@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:ChamownersW eb_Community@ yahoogroups. com]On Behalf Of Marlene Clark
Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 11:21 PM
To: ChamownersWeb_ Community@ yahoogroups. com
Subject: RE: [ChamownersWeb_ Community] vail not climbing????

what should the temp be at night they go up and down in cage all the time they never stay on the botton of cage too long
 


 
 Marlene Clark
   


--- On Mon, 5/25/09, David Pickering <chamowner@comcast. net> wrote:

From: David Pickering <chamowner@comcast. net>
Subject: RE: [ChamownersWeb_ Community] vail not climbing????
To: ChamownersWeb_ Community@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Monday, May 25, 2009, 8:03 PM

Remember, they need the temperature to drop at night. so the lights should all go out at night. good luck and let us know what happens.
-----Original Message-----
From: ChamownersWeb_ Community@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:ChamownersW eb_Community@ yahoogroups. com]On Behalf Of Marlene Clark
Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 10:29 PM
To: ChamownersWeb_ Community@ yahoogroups. com
Subject: RE: [ChamownersWeb_ Community] vail not climbing????

 i did put a little 75  black light lower for her and put the themator in o see how warm it is  i have sprayed her  i all way use warm warter but haven't been doing  like i do most of the time.  I have been working in the yard and not taking care of them i should.  she is moving on the ground but not climbing up  like she does not to fast i Will take cricket parts of so they will stay on the ground for her
 
 thank you David
 you have helped me before glad you are here

 Marlene Clark
   


--- On Mon, 5/25/09, David Pickering <chamowner@comcast. net> wrote:

From: David Pickering <chamowner@comcast. net>
Subject: RE: [ChamownersWeb_Community] vail not climbing????
To: ChamownersWeb_ Community@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Monday, May 25, 2009, 7:19 PM

I think the water is more important than the heat. Try to spray her and the enclosure with warm water. see if she will drink.
-----Original Message-----
From: ChamownersWeb_ Community@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:ChamownersW eb_Community@ yahoogroups. com]On Behalf Of Marlene Clark
Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 9:01 PM
To: ChamownersWeb_ Community@ yahoogroups. com
Subject: RE: [ChamownersWeb_ Community] vail not climbing????

crickets feeding with vit. on, lighting i good. i have been putting them out side on nice day  with shade when they want shade. i have mess  screen black cages  paid $165.00 for cage  i havent been doing the spray as much a i do.  Just seams to not want to move that much or go up high where the heat is ?? she falls down  when i put her up she seams like she does not want to move her legs too well?
 i  will try to get into vet tomorrow should i have some more heat near the bottom for her??

 Marlene Clark
   


--- On Mon, 5/25/09, David Pickering <chamowner@comcast. net> wrote:

From: David Pickering <chamowner@comcast. net>
Subject: RE: [ChamownersWeb_ Community] vail not climbing????
To: ChamownersWeb_ Community@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Monday, May 25, 2009, 5:22 PM

Hopefully, she is eating and drinking? You probably should have her checked out by a vet. What food are you offering? What kind of enclosure and lighting? Are you spraying the cage three or four times a day for several minutes to allow her to drink?
 
-----Original Message-----
From: ChamownersWeb_ Community@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:ChamownersW eb_Community@ yahoogroups. com]On Behalf Of marlene
Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 5:22 PM
To: ChamownersWeb_ Community@ yahoogroups. com
Subject: [ChamownersWeb_ Community] vail not climbing????

i have a 3 year old vail that seame to fall off things alot now she is staying on the floor a lot???mar iam going to watch to see if she is eating and walking around on the floor today







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#79 From: Marlene Clark <countryzoo2000@...>
Date: Mon Jun 1, 2009 6:24 am
Subject: RE: vail not climbing???? 		countryzoo2000
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I do have a male left he is doing good.
Could i have stressed her out ? she was the worse to be moved out to the out door cage. the cage was just like the in door cage.
I put them out side in the fresh air on nice days i was not spraying them like i do eather maby only once a day
 


 
 Marlene Clark
   


--- On Sun, 5/31/09, David Pickering <chamowner@...> wrote:

From: David Pickering <chamowner@...>
Subject: RE: [ChamownersWeb_Community] vail not climbing????
To: ChamownersWeb_Community@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, May 31, 2009, 11:16 PM

Sorry to hear that.
-----Original Message-----
From: ChamownersWeb_ Community@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:ChamownersW eb_Community@ yahoogroups. com]On Behalf Of Marlene Clark
Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 1:56 AM
To: ChamownersWeb_ Community@ yahoogroups. com
Subject: RE: [ChamownersWeb_ Community] vail not climbing????

 we she passed away before i could get her to the vets.
when she popped it was like her insides were coming out??
 sorry i did not get to you a few day ago was busy taking care of the grand kids

 Marlene Clark
   


--- On Tue, 5/26/09, David Pickering <chamowner@comcast. net> wrote:

From: David Pickering <chamowner@comcast. net>
Subject: RE: [ChamownersWeb_ Community] vail not climbing????
To: ChamownersWeb_ Community@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Tuesday, May 26, 2009, 5:26 AM

mid 70's is good for night temp.
-----Original Message-----
From: ChamownersWeb_ Community@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:ChamownersW eb_Community@ yahoogroups. com]On Behalf Of Marlene Clark
Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 11:21 PM
To: ChamownersWeb_ Community@ yahoogroups. com
Subject: RE: [ChamownersWeb_ Community] vail not climbing????

what should the temp be at night they go up and down in cage all the time they never stay on the botton of cage too long
 


 
 Marlene Clark
   


--- On Mon, 5/25/09, David Pickering <chamowner@comcast. net> wrote:

From: David Pickering <chamowner@comcast. net>
Subject: RE: [ChamownersWeb_ Community] vail not climbing????
To: ChamownersWeb_ Community@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Monday, May 25, 2009, 8:03 PM

Remember, they need the temperature to drop at night. so the lights should all go out at night. good luck and let us know what happens.
-----Original Message-----
From: ChamownersWeb_ Community@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:ChamownersW eb_Community@ yahoogroups. com]On Behalf Of Marlene Clark
Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 10:29 PM
To: ChamownersWeb_ Community@ yahoogroups. com
Subject: RE: [ChamownersWeb_ Community] vail not climbing????

 i did put a little 75  black light lower for her and put the themator in o see how warm it is  i have sprayed her  i all way use warm warter but haven't been doing  like i do most of the time.  I have been working in the yard and not taking care of them i should.  she is moving on the ground but not climbing up  like she does not to fast i Will take cricket parts of so they will stay on the ground for her
 
 thank you David
 you have helped me before glad you are here

 Marlene Clark
   


--- On Mon, 5/25/09, David Pickering <chamowner@comcast. net> wrote:

From: David Pickering <chamowner@comcast. net>
Subject: RE: [ChamownersWeb_Community] vail not climbing????
To: ChamownersWeb_ Community@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Monday, May 25, 2009, 7:19 PM

I think the water is more important than the heat. Try to spray her and the enclosure with warm water. see if she will drink.
-----Original Message-----
From: ChamownersWeb_ Community@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:ChamownersW eb_Community@ yahoogroups. com]On Behalf Of Marlene Clark
Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 9:01 PM
To: ChamownersWeb_ Community@ yahoogroups. com
Subject: RE: [ChamownersWeb_ Community] vail not climbing????

crickets feeding with vit. on, lighting i good. i have been putting them out side on nice day  with shade when they want shade. i have mess  screen black cages  paid $165.00 for cage  i havent been doing the spray as much a i do.  Just seams to not want to move that much or go up high where the heat is ?? she falls down  when i put her up she seams like she does not want to move her legs too well?
 i  will try to get into vet tomorrow should i have some more heat near the bottom for her??

 Marlene Clark
   


--- On Mon, 5/25/09, David Pickering <chamowner@comcast. net> wrote:

From: David Pickering <chamowner@comcast. net>
Subject: RE: [ChamownersWeb_ Community] vail not climbing????
To: ChamownersWeb_ Community@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Monday, May 25, 2009, 5:22 PM

Hopefully, she is eating and drinking? You probably should have her checked out by a vet. What food are you offering? What kind of enclosure and lighting? Are you spraying the cage three or four times a day for several minutes to allow her to drink?
 
-----Original Message-----
From: ChamownersWeb_ Community@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:ChamownersW eb_Community@ yahoogroups. com]On Behalf Of marlene
Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 5:22 PM
To: ChamownersWeb_ Community@ yahoogroups. com
Subject: [ChamownersWeb_ Community] vail not climbing????

i have a 3 year old vail that seame to fall off things alot now she is staying on the floor a lot???mar iam going to watch to see if she is eating and walking around on the floor today







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#78 From: "David Pickering" <chamowner@...>
Date: Mon Jun 1, 2009 6:16 am
Subject: RE: vail not climbing???? 		chamowner
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Sorry to hear that.
-----Original Message-----
From: ChamownersWeb_Community@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ChamownersWeb_Community@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Marlene Clark
Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 1:56 AM
To: ChamownersWeb_Community@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [ChamownersWeb_Community] vail not climbing????

 we she passed away before i could get her to the vets.
when she popped it was like her insides were coming out??
 sorry i did not get to you a few day ago was busy taking care of the grand kids

 Marlene Clark
   


--- On Tue, 5/26/09, David Pickering <chamowner@comcast.net> wrote:

From: David Pickering <chamowner@comcast.net>
Subject: RE: [ChamownersWeb_Community] vail not climbing????
To: ChamownersWeb_Community@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, May 26, 2009, 5:26 AM

mid 70's is good for night temp.
-----Original Message-----
From: ChamownersWeb_ Community@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:ChamownersW eb_Community@ yahoogroups. com]On Behalf Of Marlene Clark
Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 11:21 PM
To: ChamownersWeb_ Community@ yahoogroups. com
Subject: RE: [ChamownersWeb_ Community] vail not climbing????

what should the temp be at night they go up and down in cage all the time they never stay on the botton of cage too long
 


 
 Marlene Clark
   


--- On Mon, 5/25/09, David Pickering <chamowner@comcast. net> wrote:

From: David Pickering <chamowner@comcast. net>
Subject: RE: [ChamownersWeb_ Community] vail not climbing????
To: ChamownersWeb_ Community@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Monday, May 25, 2009, 8:03 PM

Remember, they need the temperature to drop at night. so the lights should all go out at night. good luck and let us know what happens.
-----Original Message-----
From: ChamownersWeb_ Community@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:ChamownersW eb_Community@ yahoogroups. com]On Behalf Of Marlene Clark
Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 10:29 PM
To: ChamownersWeb_ Community@ yahoogroups. com
Subject: RE: [ChamownersWeb_ Community] vail not climbing????

 i did put a little 75  black light lower for her and put the themator in o see how warm it is  i have sprayed her  i all way use warm warter but haven't been doing  like i do most of the time.  I have been working in the yard and not taking care of them i should.  she is moving on the ground but not climbing up  like she does not to fast i Will take cricket parts of so they will stay on the ground for her
 
 thank you David
 you have helped me before glad you are here

 Marlene Clark
   


--- On Mon, 5/25/09, David Pickering <chamowner@comcast. net> wrote:

From: David Pickering <chamowner@comcast. net>
Subject: RE: [ChamownersWeb_Community] vail not climbing????
To: ChamownersWeb_ Community@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Monday, May 25, 2009, 7:19 PM

I think the water is more important than the heat. Try to spray her and the enclosure with warm water. see if she will drink.
-----Original Message-----
From: ChamownersWeb_ Community@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:ChamownersW eb_Community@ yahoogroups. com]On Behalf Of Marlene Clark
Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 9:01 PM
To: ChamownersWeb_ Community@ yahoogroups. com
Subject: RE: [ChamownersWeb_ Community] vail not climbing????

crickets feeding with vit. on, lighting i good. i have been putting them out side on nice day  with shade when they want shade. i have mess  screen black cages  paid $165.00 for cage  i havent been doing the spray as much a i do.  Just seams to not want to move that much or go up high where the heat is ?? she falls down  when i put her up she seams like she does not want to move her legs too well?
 i  will try to get into vet tomorrow should i have some more heat near the bottom for her??

 Marlene Clark
   


--- On Mon, 5/25/09, David Pickering <chamowner@comcast. net> wrote:

From: David Pickering <chamowner@comcast. net>
Subject: RE: [ChamownersWeb_ Community] vail not climbing????
To: ChamownersWeb_ Community@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Monday, May 25, 2009, 5:22 PM

Hopefully, she is eating and drinking? You probably should have her checked out by a vet. What food are you offering? What kind of enclosure and lighting? Are you spraying the cage three or four times a day for several minutes to allow her to drink?
 
-----Original Message-----
From: ChamownersWeb_ Community@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:ChamownersW eb_Community@ yahoogroups. com]On Behalf Of marlene
Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 5:22 PM
To: ChamownersWeb_ Community@ yahoogroups. com
Subject: [ChamownersWeb_ Community] vail not climbing????

i have a 3 year old vail that seame to fall off things alot now she is staying on the floor a lot???mar iam going to watch to see if she is eating and walking around on the floor today






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#77 From: Marlene Clark <countryzoo2000@...>
Date: Mon Jun 1, 2009 5:56 am
Subject: RE: vail not climbing???? 		countryzoo2000
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 we she passed away before i could get her to the vets.
when she popped it was like her insides were coming out??
 sorry i did not get to you a few day ago was busy taking care of the grand kids

 Marlene Clark
   


--- On Tue, 5/26/09, David Pickering <chamowner@...> wrote:

From: David Pickering <chamowner@...>
Subject: RE: [ChamownersWeb_Community] vail not climbing????
To: ChamownersWeb_Community@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, May 26, 2009, 5:26 AM

mid 70's is good for night temp.
-----Original Message-----
From: ChamownersWeb_ Community@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:ChamownersW eb_Community@ yahoogroups. com]On Behalf Of Marlene Clark
Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 11:21 PM
To: ChamownersWeb_ Community@ yahoogroups. com
Subject: RE: [ChamownersWeb_ Community] vail not climbing????

what should the temp be at night they go up and down in cage all the time they never stay on the botton of cage too long
 


 
 Marlene Clark
   


--- On Mon, 5/25/09, David Pickering <chamowner@comcast. net> wrote:

From: David Pickering <chamowner@comcast. net>
Subject: RE: [ChamownersWeb_ Community] vail not climbing????
To: ChamownersWeb_ Community@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Monday, May 25, 2009, 8:03 PM

Remember, they need the temperature to drop at night. so the lights should all go out at night. good luck and let us know what happens.
-----Original Message-----
From: ChamownersWeb_ Community@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:ChamownersW eb_Community@ yahoogroups. com]On Behalf Of Marlene Clark
Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 10:29 PM
To: ChamownersWeb_ Community@ yahoogroups. com
Subject: RE: [ChamownersWeb_ Community] vail not climbing????

 i did put a little 75  black light lower for her and put the themator in o see how warm it is  i have sprayed her  i all way use warm warter but haven't been doing  like i do most of the time.  I have been working in the yard and not taking care of them i should.  she is moving on the ground but not climbing up  like she does not to fast i Will take cricket parts of so they will stay on the ground for her
 
 thank you David
 you have helped me before glad you are here

 Marlene Clark
   


--- On Mon, 5/25/09, David Pickering <chamowner@comcast. net> wrote:

From: David Pickering <chamowner@comcast. net>
Subject: RE: [ChamownersWeb_Community] vail not climbing????
To: ChamownersWeb_ Community@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Monday, May 25, 2009, 7:19 PM

I think the water is more important than the heat. Try to spray her and the enclosure with warm water. see if she will drink.
-----Original Message-----
From: ChamownersWeb_ Community@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:ChamownersW eb_Community@ yahoogroups. com]On Behalf Of Marlene Clark
Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 9:01 PM
To: ChamownersWeb_ Community@ yahoogroups. com
Subject: RE: [ChamownersWeb_ Community] vail not climbing????

crickets feeding with vit. on, lighting i good. i have been putting them out side on nice day  with shade when they want shade. i have mess  screen black cages  paid $165.00 for cage  i havent been doing the spray as much a i do.  Just seams to not want to move that much or go up high where the heat is ?? she falls down  when i put her up she seams like she does not want to move her legs too well?
 i  will try to get into vet tomorrow should i have some more heat near the bottom for her??

 Marlene Clark
   


--- On Mon, 5/25/09, David Pickering <chamowner@comcast. net> wrote:

From: David Pickering <chamowner@comcast. net>
Subject: RE: [ChamownersWeb_ Community] vail not climbing????
To: ChamownersWeb_ Community@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Monday, May 25, 2009, 5:22 PM

Hopefully, she is eating and drinking? You probably should have her checked out by a vet. What food are you offering? What kind of enclosure and lighting? Are you spraying the cage three or four times a day for several minutes to allow her to drink?
 
-----Original Message-----
From: ChamownersWeb_ Community@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:ChamownersW eb_Community@ yahoogroups. com]On Behalf Of marlene
Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 5:22 PM
To: ChamownersWeb_ Community@ yahoogroups. com
Subject: [ChamownersWeb_ Community] vail not climbing????

i have a 3 year old vail that seame to fall off things alot now she is staying on the floor a lot???mar iam going to watch to see if she is eating and walking around on the floor today






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#76 From: "David Pickering" <chamowner@...>
Date: Tue May 26, 2009 12:26 pm
Subject: RE: vail not climbing???? 		chamowner
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mid 70's is good for night temp.
-----Original Message-----
From: ChamownersWeb_Community@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ChamownersWeb_Community@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Marlene Clark
Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 11:21 PM
To: ChamownersWeb_Community@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [ChamownersWeb_Community] vail not climbing????

what should the temp be at night they go up and down in cage all the time they never stay on the botton of cage too long
 


 
 Marlene Clark
   


--- On Mon, 5/25/09, David Pickering <chamowner@comcast.net> wrote:

From: David Pickering <chamowner@comcast.net>
Subject: RE: [ChamownersWeb_Community] vail not climbing????
To: ChamownersWeb_Community@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, May 25, 2009, 8:03 PM

Remember, they need the temperature to drop at night. so the lights should all go out at night. good luck and let us know what happens.
-----Original Message-----
From: ChamownersWeb_ Community@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:ChamownersW eb_Community@ yahoogroups. com]On Behalf Of Marlene Clark
Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 10:29 PM
To: ChamownersWeb_ Community@ yahoogroups. com
Subject: RE: [ChamownersWeb_ Community] vail not climbing????

 i did put a little 75  black light lower for her and put the themator in o see how warm it is  i have sprayed her  i all way use warm warter but haven't been doing  like i do most of the time.  I have been working in the yard and not taking care of them i should.  she is moving on the ground but not climbing up  like she does not to fast i Will take cricket parts of so they will stay on the ground for her
 
 thank you David
 you have helped me before glad you are here

 Marlene Clark
   


--- On Mon, 5/25/09, David Pickering <chamowner@comcast. net> wrote:

From: David Pickering <chamowner@comcast. net>
Subject: RE: [ChamownersWeb_Community] vail not climbing????
To: ChamownersWeb_ Community@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Monday, May 25, 2009, 7:19 PM

I think the water is more important than the heat. Try to spray her and the enclosure with warm water. see if she will drink.
-----Original Message-----
From: ChamownersWeb_ Community@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:ChamownersW eb_Community@ yahoogroups. com]On Behalf Of Marlene Clark
Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 9:01 PM
To: ChamownersWeb_ Community@ yahoogroups. com
Subject: RE: [ChamownersWeb_ Community] vail not climbing????

crickets feeding with vit. on, lighting i good. i have been putting them out side on nice day  with shade when they want shade. i have mess  screen black cages  paid $165.00 for cage  i havent been doing the spray as much a i do.  Just seams to not want to move that much or go up high where the heat is ?? she falls down  when i put her up she seams like she does not want to move her legs too well?
 i  will try to get into vet tomorrow should i have some more heat near the bottom for her??

 Marlene Clark
   


--- On Mon, 5/25/09, David Pickering <chamowner@comcast. net> wrote:

From: David Pickering <chamowner@comcast. net>
Subject: RE: [ChamownersWeb_ Community] vail not climbing????
To: ChamownersWeb_ Community@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Monday, May 25, 2009, 5:22 PM

Hopefully, she is eating and drinking? You probably should have her checked out by a vet. What food are you offering? What kind of enclosure and lighting? Are you spraying the cage three or four times a day for several minutes to allow her to drink?
 
-----Original Message-----
From: ChamownersWeb_ Community@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:ChamownersW eb_Community@ yahoogroups. com]On Behalf Of marlene
Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 5:22 PM
To: ChamownersWeb_ Community@ yahoogroups. com
Subject: [ChamownersWeb_ Community] vail not climbing????

i have a 3 year old vail that seame to fall off things alot now she is staying on the floor a lot???mar iam going to watch to see if she is eating and walking around on the floor today





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#75 From: Marlene Clark <countryzoo2000@...>
Date: Tue May 26, 2009 3:21 am
Subject: RE: vail not climbing???? 		countryzoo2000
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what should the temp be at night they go up and down in cage all the time they never stay on the botton of cage too long
 


 
 Marlene Clark
   


--- On Mon, 5/25/09, David Pickering <chamowner@...> wrote:

From: David Pickering <chamowner@...>
Subject: RE: [ChamownersWeb_Community] vail not climbing????
To: ChamownersWeb_Community@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, May 25, 2009, 8:03 PM

Remember, they need the temperature to drop at night. so the lights should all go out at night. good luck and let us know what happens.
-----Original Message-----
From: ChamownersWeb_ Community@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:ChamownersW eb_Community@ yahoogroups. com]On Behalf Of Marlene Clark
Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 10:29 PM
To: ChamownersWeb_ Community@ yahoogroups. com
Subject: RE: [ChamownersWeb_ Community] vail not climbing????

 i did put a little 75  black light lower for her and put the themator in o see how warm it is  i have sprayed her  i all way use warm warter but haven't been doing  like i do most of the time.  I have been working in the yard and not taking care of them i should.  she is moving on the ground but not climbing up  like she does not to fast i Will take cricket parts of so they will stay on the ground for her
 
 thank you David
 you have helped me before glad you are here

 Marlene Clark
   


--- On Mon, 5/25/09, David Pickering <chamowner@comcast. net> wrote:

From: David Pickering <chamowner@comcast. net>
Subject: RE: [ChamownersWeb_Community] vail not climbing????
To: ChamownersWeb_ Community@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Monday, May 25, 2009, 7:19 PM

I think the water is more important than the heat. Try to spray her and the enclosure with warm water. see if she will drink.
-----Original Message-----
From: ChamownersWeb_ Community@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:ChamownersW eb_Community@ yahoogroups. com]On Behalf Of Marlene Clark
Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 9:01 PM
To: ChamownersWeb_ Community@ yahoogroups. com
Subject: RE: [ChamownersWeb_ Community] vail not climbing????

crickets feeding with vit. on, lighting i good. i have been putting them out side on nice day  with shade when they want shade. i have mess  screen black cages  paid $165.00 for cage  i havent been doing the spray as much a i do.  Just seams to not want to move that much or go up high where the heat is ?? she falls down  when i put her up she seams like she does not want to move her legs too well?
 i  will try to get into vet tomorrow should i have some more heat near the bottom for her??

 Marlene Clark
   


--- On Mon, 5/25/09, David Pickering <chamowner@comcast. net> wrote:

From: David Pickering <chamowner@comcast. net>
Subject: RE: [ChamownersWeb_ Community] vail not climbing????
To: ChamownersWeb_ Community@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Monday, May 25, 2009, 5:22 PM

Hopefully, she is eating and drinking? You probably should have her checked out by a vet. What food are you offering? What kind of enclosure and lighting? Are you spraying the cage three or four times a day for several minutes to allow her to drink?
 
-----Original Message-----
From: ChamownersWeb_ Community@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:ChamownersW eb_Community@ yahoogroups. com]On Behalf Of marlene
Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 5:22 PM
To: ChamownersWeb_ Community@ yahoogroups. com
Subject: [ChamownersWeb_ Community] vail not climbing????

i have a 3 year old vail that seame to fall off things alot now she is staying on the floor a lot???mar iam going to watch to see if she is eating and walking around on the floor today





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#74 From: "David Pickering" <chamowner@...>
Date: Tue May 26, 2009 3:03 am
Subject: RE: vail not climbing???? 		chamowner
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Remember, they need the temperature to drop at night. so the lights should all go out at night. good luck and let us know what happens.
-----Original Message-----
From: ChamownersWeb_Community@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ChamownersWeb_Community@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Marlene Clark
Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 10:29 PM
To: ChamownersWeb_Community@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [ChamownersWeb_Community] vail not climbing????

 i did put a little 75  black light lower for her and put the themator in o see how warm it is  i have sprayed her  i all way use warm warter but haven't been doing  like i do most of the time.  I have been working in the yard and not taking care of them i should.  she is moving on the ground but not climbing up  like she does not to fast i Will take cricket parts of so they will stay on the ground for her
 
 thank you David
 you have helped me before glad you are here

 Marlene Clark
   


--- On Mon, 5/25/09, David Pickering <chamowner@comcast.net> wrote:

From: David Pickering <chamowner@comcast.net>
Subject: RE: [ChamownersWeb_Community] vail not climbing????
To: ChamownersWeb_Community@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, May 25, 2009, 7:19 PM

I think the water is more important than the heat. Try to spray her and the enclosure with warm water. see if she will drink.
-----Original Message-----
From: ChamownersWeb_ Community@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:ChamownersW eb_Community@ yahoogroups. com]On Behalf Of Marlene Clark
Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 9:01 PM
To: ChamownersWeb_ Community@ yahoogroups. com
Subject: RE: [ChamownersWeb_ Community] vail not climbing????

crickets feeding with vit. on, lighting i good. i have been putting them out side on nice day  with shade when they want shade. i have mess  screen black cages  paid $165.00 for cage  i havent been doing the spray as much a i do.  Just seams to not want to move that much or go up high where the heat is ?? she falls down  when i put her up she seams like she does not want to move her legs too well?
 i  will try to get into vet tomorrow should i have some more heat near the bottom for her??

 Marlene Clark
   


--- On Mon, 5/25/09, David Pickering <chamowner@comcast. net> wrote:

From: David Pickering <chamowner@comcast. net>
Subject: RE: [ChamownersWeb_ Community] vail not climbing????
To: ChamownersWeb_ Community@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Monday, May 25, 2009, 5:22 PM

Hopefully, she is eating and drinking? You probably should have her checked out by a vet. What food are you offering? What kind of enclosure and lighting? Are you spraying the cage three or four times a day for several minutes to allow her to drink?
 
-----Original Message-----
From: ChamownersWeb_ Community@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:ChamownersW eb_Community@ yahoogroups. com]On Behalf Of marlene
Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 5:22 PM
To: ChamownersWeb_ Community@ yahoogroups. com
Subject: [ChamownersWeb_ Community] vail not climbing????

i have a 3 year old vail that seame to fall off things alot now she is staying on the floor a lot???mar iam going to watch to see if she is eating and walking around on the floor today




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#73 From: Marlene Clark <countryzoo2000@...>
Date: Tue May 26, 2009 2:29 am
Subject: RE: vail not climbing???? 		countryzoo2000
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Send Email Send Email
 
 i did put a little 75  black light lower for her and put the themator in o see how warm it is  i have sprayed her  i all way use warm warter but haven't been doing  like i do most of the time.  I have been working in the yard and not taking care of them i should.  she is moving on the ground but not climbing up  like she does not to fast i Will take cricket parts of so they will stay on the ground for her
 
 thank you David
 you have helped me before glad you are here

 Marlene Clark
   


--- On Mon, 5/25/09, David Pickering <chamowner@...> wrote:

From: David Pickering <chamowner@...>
Subject: RE: [ChamownersWeb_Community] vail not climbing????
To: ChamownersWeb_Community@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, May 25, 2009, 7:19 PM

I think the water is more important than the heat. Try to spray her and the enclosure with warm water. see if she will drink.
-----Original Message-----
From: ChamownersWeb_ Community@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:ChamownersW eb_Community@ yahoogroups. com]On Behalf Of Marlene Clark
Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 9:01 PM
To: ChamownersWeb_ Community@ yahoogroups. com
Subject: RE: [ChamownersWeb_ Community] vail not climbing????

crickets feeding with vit. on, lighting i good. i have been putting them out side on nice day  with shade when they want shade. i have mess  screen black cages  paid $165.00 for cage  i havent been doing the spray as much a i do.  Just seams to not want to move that much or go up high where the heat is ?? she falls down  when i put her up she seams like she does not want to move her legs too well?
 i  will try to get into vet tomorrow should i have some more heat near the bottom for her??

 Marlene Clark
   


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From: David Pickering <chamowner@comcast. net>
Subject: RE: [ChamownersWeb_ Community] vail not climbing????
To: ChamownersWeb_ Community@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Monday, May 25, 2009, 5:22 PM

Hopefully, she is eating and drinking? You probably should have her checked out by a vet. What food are you offering? What kind of enclosure and lighting? Are you spraying the cage three or four times a day for several minutes to allow her to drink?
 
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To: ChamownersWeb_ Community@ yahoogroups. com
Subject: [ChamownersWeb_ Community] vail not climbing????

i have a 3 year old vail that seame to fall off things alot now she is staying on the floor a lot???mar iam going to watch to see if she is eating and walking around on the floor today




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#72 From: "David Pickering" <chamowner@...>
Date: Tue May 26, 2009 2:19 am
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I think the water is more important than the heat. Try to spray her and the enclosure with warm water. see if she will drink.
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Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 9:01 PM
To: ChamownersWeb_Community@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [ChamownersWeb_Community] vail not climbing????

crickets feeding with vit. on, lighting i good. i have been putting them out side on nice day  with shade when they want shade. i have mess  screen black cages  paid $165.00 for cage  i havent been doing the spray as much a i do.  Just seams to not want to move that much or go up high where the heat is ?? she falls down  when i put her up she seams like she does not want to move her legs too well?
 i  will try to get into vet tomorrow should i have some more heat near the bottom for her??

 Marlene Clark
   


--- On Mon, 5/25/09, David Pickering <chamowner@comcast.net> wrote:

From: David Pickering <chamowner@comcast.net>
Subject: RE: [ChamownersWeb_Community] vail not climbing????
To: ChamownersWeb_Community@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, May 25, 2009, 5:22 PM

Hopefully, she is eating and drinking? You probably should have her checked out by a vet. What food are you offering? What kind of enclosure and lighting? Are you spraying the cage three or four times a day for several minutes to allow her to drink?
 
-----Original Message-----
From: ChamownersWeb_ Community@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:ChamownersW eb_Community@ yahoogroups. com]On Behalf Of marlene
Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 5:22 PM
To: ChamownersWeb_ Community@ yahoogroups. com
Subject: [ChamownersWeb_ Community] vail not climbing????

i have a 3 year old vail that seame to fall off things alot now she is staying on the floor a lot???mar iam going to watch to see if she is eating and walking around on the floor today



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#71 From: Marlene Clark <countryzoo2000@...>
Date: Tue May 26, 2009 1:00 am
Subject: RE: vail not climbing???? 		countryzoo2000
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crickets feeding with vit. on, lighting i good. i have been putting them out side on nice day  with shade when they want shade. i have mess  screen black cages  paid $165.00 for cage  i havent been doing the spray as much a i do.  Just seams to not want to move that much or go up high where the heat is ?? she falls down  when i put her up she seams like she does not want to move her legs too well?
 i  will try to get into vet tomorrow should i have some more heat near the bottom for her??

 Marlene Clark
   


--- On Mon, 5/25/09, David Pickering <chamowner@...> wrote:

From: David Pickering <chamowner@...>
Subject: RE: [ChamownersWeb_Community] vail not climbing????
To: ChamownersWeb_Community@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, May 25, 2009, 5:22 PM

Hopefully, she is eating and drinking? You probably should have her checked out by a vet. What food are you offering? What kind of enclosure and lighting? Are you spraying the cage three or four times a day for several minutes to allow her to drink?
 
-----Original Message-----
From: ChamownersWeb_ Community@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:ChamownersW eb_Community@ yahoogroups. com]On Behalf Of marlene
Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 5:22 PM
To: ChamownersWeb_ Community@ yahoogroups. com
Subject: [ChamownersWeb_ Community] vail not climbing????

i have a 3 year old vail that seame to fall off things alot now she is staying on the floor a lot???mar iam going to watch to see if she is eating and walking around on the floor today



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#70 From: "David Pickering" <chamowner@...>
Date: Tue May 26, 2009 12:22 am
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Hopefully, she is eating and drinking? You probably should have her checked out by a vet. What food are you offering? What kind of enclosure and lighting? Are you spraying the cage three or four times a day for several minutes to allow her to drink?
 
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Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 5:22 PM
To: ChamownersWeb_Community@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ChamownersWeb_Community] vail not climbing????

i have a 3 year old vail that seame to fall off things alot now she is staying on the floor a lot???mar iam going to watch to see if she is eating and walking around on the floor today


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#69 From: "marlene" <countryzoo2000@...>
Date: Mon May 25, 2009 9:22 pm
Subject: vail not climbing???? 		countryzoo2000
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i have a 3 year old vail that seame to fall off things alot now she is staying
on the floor a lot???mar iam going to watch to see if she is eating and walking
around on the floor today

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#68 From: "David Pickering" <chamowner@...>
Date: Wed Feb 18, 2009 2:19 am
Subject: RE: Re: The top of my veiled chameleon's veil looks unsightly. 		chamowner
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Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 7:15 PM
To: chamownersweb_community@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [ChamownersWeb_Community] Re: The top of my veiled chameleon's veil looks unsightly.

Thanks for your interest. I'm having a hard time getting a good clear picture of his casque. I think you were right. Mr. T, my vieled was able to get too close to his basking lamp. I've since put him in a new cage I built and put his highest branch a little lower this time. He seems to be healing up ok. hopefully in the end he wont have too bad of a scar from it.,  Thanks David,................. Rick
 

To: ChamownersWeb_Community@yahoogroups.com
From: chamowner@comcast.net
Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 14:34:25 +0000
Subject: [ChamownersWeb_Community] Re: The top of my veiled chameleon's veil looks unsightly.

I'm just following up on this. HOw is the veiled doing? Do you have
any pictures of the casque in question?

Chamowner

--- In ChamownersWeb_Community@yahoogroups.com, "David Pickering"
<chamowner@...> wrote:
>
> You can attach pictures to e-mails and send them to the group. You
have to
> join photobucket and set up an account, which is free and then post
your
> pictures to them: http://register.photobucket.com. Members can also
post
> your pictures to the group at:
>
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ChamownersWeb_Community/photos/album/0/p
ic/cre
> ate
> As for the veiled's problem, pictures would certainly help. Is the
> basking/UVB bulb inside the cage, or very close to to the basking
branch?
> Could be burns.
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ChamownersWeb_Community@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:ChamownersWeb_Community@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of dodolah
> penasaran
> Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 3:41 AM
> To: ChamownersWeb_Community@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [ChamownersWeb_Community] The top of my veiled
chameleon's
> veil looks unsightly.
>
>
> how exactly?
> can you post a pic on photobucket or something?
> could be burn.
>
> --- On Sun, 1/25/09, ace72hole <acehole72@...> wrote:
>
> From: ace72hole <acehole72@...>
> Subject: [ChamownersWeb_Community] The top of my veiled
> chameleon's veil looks unsightly.
> To: ChamownersWeb_Community@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Sunday, January 25, 2009, 8:18 PM
>
>
> Anyone else have this (problem?)? My veiled is one yr.
old, gets
> calcium suppliment on crickets regularly, big cage,
drinks de-
> chlorinated water fine, acts happy for the most part. The
top of
> his
> veil looks like some sort of shedding disorder or
something.
>
> Thanks, Rick
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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#67 From: rick fink <acehole72@...>
Date: Wed Feb 18, 2009 12:15 am
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Thanks for your interest. I'm having a hard time getting a good clear picture of his casque. I think you were right. Mr. T, my vieled was able to get too close to his basking lamp. I've since put him in a new cage I built and put his highest branch a little lower this time. He seems to be healing up ok. hopefully in the end he wont have too bad of a scar from it.,  Thanks David,................. Rick
 
To: ChamownersWeb_Community@yahoogroups.com
From: chamowner@...
Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 14:34:25 +0000
Subject: [ChamownersWeb_Community] Re: The top of my veiled chameleon's veil looks unsightly.

I'm just following up on this. HOw is the veiled doing? Do you have
any pictures of the casque in question?

Chamowner

--- In ChamownersWeb_Community@yahoogroups.com, "David Pickering"
<chamowner@...> wrote:
>
> You can attach pictures to e-mails and send them to the group. You
have to
> join photobucket and set up an account, which is free and then post
your
> pictures to them: http://register.photobucket.com. Members can also
post
> your pictures to the group at:
>
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ChamownersWeb_Community/photos/album/0/p
ic/cre
> ate
> As for the veiled's problem, pictures would certainly help. Is the
> basking/UVB bulb inside the cage, or very close to to the basking
branch?
> Could be burns.
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ChamownersWeb_Community@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:ChamownersWeb_Community@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of dodolah
> penasaran
> Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 3:41 AM
> To: ChamownersWeb_Community@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [ChamownersWeb_Community] The top of my veiled
chameleon's
> veil looks unsightly.
>
>
> how exactly?
> can you post a pic on photobucket or something?
> could be burn.
>
> --- On Sun, 1/25/09, ace72hole <acehole72@...> wrote:
>
> From: ace72hole <acehole72@...>
> Subject: [ChamownersWeb_Community] The top of my veiled
> chameleon's veil looks unsightly.
> To: ChamownersWeb_Community@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Sunday, January 25, 2009, 8:18 PM
>
>
> Anyone else have this (problem?)? My veiled is one yr.
old, gets
> calcium suppliment on crickets regularly, big cage,
drinks de-
> chlorinated water fine, acts happy for the most part. The
top of
> his
> veil looks like some sort of shedding disorder or
something.
>
> Thanks, Rick
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Internal Virus Database is out-of-date.
> Checked by AVG.
> Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.10.7/1894 - Release Date:
1/14/2009
> 7:27 PM
>



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#66 From: "David Pickering" <chamowner@...>
Date: Fri Feb 6, 2009 2:34 pm
Subject: Re: The top of my veiled chameleon's veil looks unsightly. 		chamowner
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I'm just following up on this. HOw is the veiled doing? Do you have
any pictures of the casque in question?

Chamowner



--- In ChamownersWeb_Community@yahoogroups.com, "David Pickering"
<chamowner@...> wrote:
>
> You can attach pictures to e-mails and send them to the group. You
have to
> join photobucket and set up an account, which is free and then post
your
> pictures to them: http://register.photobucket.com. Members can also
post
> your pictures to the group at:
>
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ChamownersWeb_Community/photos/album/0/p
ic/cre
> ate
> As for the veiled's problem, pictures would certainly help. Is the
> basking/UVB bulb inside the cage, or very close to to the basking
branch?
> Could be burns.
>
>
>
>
>   -----Original Message-----
>   From: ChamownersWeb_Community@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:ChamownersWeb_Community@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of dodolah
> penasaran
>   Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 3:41 AM
>   To: ChamownersWeb_Community@yahoogroups.com
>   Subject: Re: [ChamownersWeb_Community] The top of my veiled
chameleon's
> veil looks unsightly.
>
>
>         how exactly?
>         can you post a pic on photobucket or something?
>         could be burn.
>
>         --- On Sun, 1/25/09, ace72hole <acehole72@...> wrote:
>
>           From: ace72hole <acehole72@...>
>           Subject: [ChamownersWeb_Community] The top of my veiled
> chameleon's veil looks unsightly.
>           To: ChamownersWeb_Community@yahoogroups.com
>           Date: Sunday, January 25, 2009, 8:18 PM
>
>
>           Anyone else have this (problem?)? My veiled is one yr.
old, gets
>           calcium suppliment on crickets regularly, big cage,
drinks de-
>           chlorinated water fine, acts happy for the most part. The
top of
> his
>           veil looks like some sort of shedding disorder or
something.
>
>           Thanks, Rick
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Internal Virus Database is out-of-date.
> Checked by AVG.
> Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.10.7/1894 - Release Date:
1/14/2009
> 7:27 PM
>

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#65 From: "David Pickering" <chamowner@...>
Date: Mon Jan 26, 2009 5:46 pm
Subject: RE: The top of my veiled chameleon's veil looks unsightly. 		chamowner
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You can attach pictures to e-mails and send them to the group. You have to join photobucket and set up an account, which is free and then post your pictures to them: http://register.photobucket.com. Members can also post your pictures to the group at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ChamownersWeb_Community/photos/album/0/pic/create 
As for the veiled's problem, pictures would certainly help. Is the basking/UVB bulb inside the cage, or very close to to the basking branch? Could be burns.  
 
 
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: ChamownersWeb_Community@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ChamownersWeb_Community@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of dodolah penasaran
Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 3:41 AM
To: ChamownersWeb_Community@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ChamownersWeb_Community] The top of my veiled chameleon's veil looks unsightly.

how exactly?
can you post a pic on photobucket or something?
could be burn.

--- On Sun, 1/25/09, ace72hole <acehole72@hotmail.com> wrote:
From: ace72hole <acehole72@hotmail.com>
Subject: [ChamownersWeb_Community] The top of my veiled chameleon's veil looks unsightly.
To: ChamownersWeb_Community@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, January 25, 2009, 8:18 PM

Anyone else have this (problem?)? My veiled is one yr. old, gets
calcium suppliment on crickets regularly, big cage, drinks de-
chlorinated water fine, acts happy for the most part. The top of his
veil looks like some sort of shedding disorder or something.

Thanks, Rick



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#64 From: dodolah penasaran <dodolah1981@...>
Date: Mon Jan 26, 2009 8:41 am
Subject: Re: The top of my veiled chameleon's veil looks unsightly. 		dodolah1981
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how exactly?
can you post a pic on photobucket or something?
could be burn.

--- On Sun, 1/25/09, ace72hole <acehole72@...> wrote:
From: ace72hole <acehole72@...>
Subject: [ChamownersWeb_Community] The top of my veiled chameleon's veil looks unsightly.
To: ChamownersWeb_Community@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, January 25, 2009, 8:18 PM

Anyone else have this (problem?)? My veiled is one yr. old, gets
calcium suppliment on crickets regularly, big cage, drinks de-
chlorinated water fine, acts happy for the most part. The top of his
veil looks like some sort of shedding disorder or something.

Thanks, Rick



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#63 From: "ace72hole" <acehole72@...>
Date: Mon Jan 26, 2009 4:18 am
Subject: The top of my veiled chameleon's veil looks unsightly. 		ace72hole
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Anyone else have this (problem?)? My veiled is one yr. old, gets
calcium suppliment on crickets regularly, big cage, drinks de-
chlorinated water fine, acts happy for the most part. The top of his
veil looks like some sort of shedding disorder or something.

  Thanks, Rick

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#62 From: "RAF" <basset@...>
Date: Mon Jan 19, 2009 2:25 am
Subject: RE: New Member - Melleri 		basset...
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Thanks for the links, they are much appreciated.  I look forward to interacting with the group.

 

Russell

 

 

 

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Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 8:19 PM
To: ChamownersWeb_Community@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ChamownersWeb_Community] New Member - Melleri

 

HI and welcome to our newest member.
Here are a few links on the Melleri chameleon:
http://www.reptilechannel.com/lizards/lizard-care/mellers-chameleon.aspx
http://www.habitatdesigns.tv/repcare/species/meller.html
http://chamownersweb.net/husbandry/encls1.htm in the middle of the page
there is a section about a free roam Melleri set up
http://www.instructables.com/id/A-Free-Range-Habitat-for-Mellers-and-
other-Large-/ this one has step by step instructions for constructing
the set up
and the AdCham profile
http://www.adcham.com/html/taxonomy/species/chmelleri.html

Good luck, they are a challenging species


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#61 From: "David Pickering" <chamowner@...>
Date: Mon Jan 19, 2009 2:18 am
Subject: New Member - Melleri 		chamowner
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HI and welcome to our newest member.
Here are a few links on the Melleri chameleon:
http://www.reptilechannel.com/lizards/lizard-care/mellers-chameleon.aspx
http://www.habitatdesigns.tv/repcare/species/meller.html
http://chamownersweb.net/husbandry/encls1.htm in the middle of the page
there is a section about a free roam Melleri set up
http://www.instructables.com/id/A-Free-Range-Habitat-for-Mellers-and-
other-Large-/ this one has step by step instructions for constructing
the set up
and the AdCham profile
http://www.adcham.com/html/taxonomy/species/chmelleri.html

Good luck, they are a challenging species

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#60 From: "David Pickering" <chamowner@...>
Date: Sun Dec 7, 2008 3:31 am
Subject: ChamownersWeb community 		chamowner
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Hi,
I have approved your membership. I had to start approving memberships due to spammers.
 
I have purchased crickets from NY Worms http://www.nyworms.com/crickets.html and was satisfied with service and quality.  I recently purchased from premium crickets http://www.premiumcrickets.com/ and received many dead crix. Wormman http://www.wormman.com/cat_crickets.cfm has a good reputation as well.
 
Good luck and thanks for joining the group.
What kind of animals do you have?
 
 
David Pickering
 

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#59 From: "David Pickering" <chamowner@...>
Date: Sat Nov 29, 2008 3:12 am
Subject: RE: married woman looking for discreet cam2cam 		chamowner
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I apologize for that crap. This is the second and last time this type of spam will get through. I have had to change the membership process to require my approval, which will only come after some basic questions are answered. This makes joining a little harder but is necessary because a few people think they will make money or whatever their motive may be for spamming our groups.
 
I have removed them from the list and for what it is worth reported them to Yahoo.
 
-----Original Message-----
From: ChamownersWeb_Community@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ChamownersWeb_Community@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Liz
Sent: Friday, November 28, 2008 5:17 PM
To: ChamownersWeb_Community@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ChamownersWeb_Community] married woman looking for discreet cam2cam

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#58 From: Liz <liz3239@...>
Date: Fri Nov 28, 2008 10:17 pm
Subject: married woman looking for discreet cam2cam 		liz3239@...
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