Ginger (& All);

While I can certainly empathise with you how death is the last thing any of
us wants to experience during birth(s); In my own way of thinking; every
live pup the bitch does birth naturally (or even surgically) that later
expires in the whelping box, nonetheless remains a credit to the bitch's
record.  So we can still give the bitch 'her due' in keeping atleast live
births on litter records.

I agree with you, however, that most folks (including all us breeders?),
likely have a hard time not succumbing to morbidity when relating news of
stillborns, due to any cause.  They seem, to me atleast, to be the ones that
truly got away from life at all...

And I've been madly trying to keep our own litter and individual pups'
records up to date each day without falling asleep before I'm done; and also
have yet to complete my transfer of the past weeks' notes to our dbase.  But
to begin with though, and fwiw, our litter record/software tracks;
# live births
# stillborn
# died in nesting
# surviving males
# surviving females

And for our Sparkle/Power Howlers; that breakdown still stands at;
(11) live births
(0) stillborn
(1) died in nesting
(6) surviving males
(4) surviving females

And all 10 growing strong!  Will keep plugging away at updating the website
with new photos (pups are a week old already today! :)  Today's 1 wk. weight
range; 10 oz thru 1lb 2oz !  So much to do, so little time...

The 10 Tullibardine Power Howlers send their best to all Chinook pups
everywhere tonight...

Best Regards,
Susan Murray, General Partner
Chinook Trading Post at Tullibardine Farm LLP
http://chinooktradingpost.com

Susan,

That's just great to hear that they are all doing so well.  Sparkle-Plenty
deserves great praise for her mothering ability. I'm looking forward with
great fascination to seeing those first puppy-pix on their web page!  All
our Seppalas send triumphant howls to their Chinook Sled Dog brethren at
Tullibardine Farm! (And a gutteral "woof" from JoJo the
Chinook-in-spirit!)

Jeffrey

Hey Again Everyone;

Just checking in to gladly report how our other little 5 oz. boy, 'Spark PLUG'
(I guess I'll call him for now!:), has gained 2 oz. at the milkbar!  So as soon
as we get him 'up' one more oz. to 8 oz. finally (hopefully by tomorrow's weigh
in); perhaps THEN we can begin to rest easy.  Sparkle and remainder are healthy,
happy, strong and pups all growing.

Will catch up with folks emails tomorrow, or so that's the plan...  Will also
see if I can get their weight chart up and a few more litter shots up too
finally by the end of the weekend.  Thanks EVERYONE for your well wishes on such
a large (and beautiful:) litter.  It means much to hear from folks even when we
can't slow down to do much more than read them.

And plans are already in the making for an even larger Tullibardine puppy pen
(in our 'spare time':)  First time we've ever truly 'outgrown' our 4x4' box as
well.  Mollyockett's litter of 9 filled it to the brim back in 2000; but I think
these pups will be considerably larger; simply based on how leggy they were at
birth, and the size of their dam and sire (Sparkle 64#, Power 73#).

Best Regards,
Susan Murray
General Partner
Chinook Trading Post at Tullibardine Farm LLP
http://chinooktradingpost.com
Custodian of Records
International Seppala Association
http://www.seppalasleddogs.com/isa/

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

There are 6 portfolios with other animals photos, too. Did you see
all of them? I'm waiting to have time to put the rest of animal
photos up but I haven't had much time with things going on here.

> (Photos should be either large size or high-res so that I can crop or
> resize them as needed, and must of course be submitted and released
> for
> use on the ISA site by the person who owns the copyright!)

So you'd like a disc because otherwise it's hell to send. I still
have to scan some slides for Susan and Jack.

Britain Hill
isabaloo@...

Haywire Industries
Earthquake Akitas and Chinooks
http://www.britainhill.com/
pawed@...

On Jul 7, 2005, at 8:01 PM, jjeffrey@... wrote:

> Hey Britain,
>
> Interesting website you have! Intriguing design, too, quite
> different. Is
> there anyplace I could see MORE of your animal portraiture than
> just the
> couple or three images on the site, though?  I'm curious to see
> more of
> your work by way of dog portraits.
>
> Also I've been meaning to ask you, and others on this list. Rather,
> not
> "ask," but to PLEAD with folks to please e-mail me some really nice
> CHINOOK photos that I can post on the I. S. A. website in the photo
> gallery page.  Anything as long as it looks good (don't have to
> tell YOU
> that, Britain, I know!) but I would feel particularly lucky to get
> some
> snazzy pix of Chinooks doing their sleddog thing.
>
> (Photos should be either large size or high-res so that I can crop or
> resize them as needed, and must of course be submitted and released
> for
> use on the ISA site by the person who owns the copyright!)
>
> Jeffrey
> (I. S. A. webmaster)
>
> -------------
>
>> LUCKY!
>> Britain Hill
>> isabaloo@...
>>
>> Haywire Industries
>> Earthquake Akitas and Chinooks
>> http://www.britainhill.com/
>> pawed@...
>>
>> On Jul 7, 2005, at 7:38 PM, jjeffrey@... wrote:
>>
>>
>>> I FOUND IT! I FOUND IT!
>>>
>>> I found the first photo of the first I. S. A. Chinook litter, and I
>>> got
>>> there before she even posted a link, hahaha! };->
>>>
>>> Aren't they just too precious!  They look SO TINY alongside their
>>> great
>>> big mama, but there sure are a lot of 'em!
>>>
>>> If they truly turn out to be the kind of Power Howlers that Jack
>>> insists
>>> they's be, you folks are not gonna be able to hear yourselves
>>> think, very
>>> very soon! :-D
>>>
>>> Hope they are all doing great!
>>>
>>> Jeffrey
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Susan,

YOU know, when you get folks' curiosity piqued, you can't hide much from
inquisitive old geezers like me! };->

Sorry the li'lest guy didn't make it, but that's far from unusual. It
amazes me that whelps this small can survive at all, it's so alien to my
own experience with Seppala Siberian Sleddogs.  There, in a breed half the
size of Chinooks, I consider normal birthweight to be 16 ounces, we quite
often have whelps born at 20-24 ounces, and I've always considered
anything under eight ounces to be totally nonviable. Go figure . . .
Chinooks are obviously a very different case! I'm still wondering about
causes and ramifications of these dramatic differences.

Glad to hear that the dairy is in full swing and everybody energetically
bellied up to the bar. Keep us all posted on their progress, aye?

Best
Jeffrey

> Geesh, Jeffrey, can't hide nothin' from you too long! :-)
>
> Good news is; Sparkle Plenty's milkbar remains in full production!
> Bad news is; we just lost, at approx. 7:20 PM, our tiniest male [only 5
> oz.!], who did fade away despite our best efforts to supplement him since
> birth.  He was still nursing this morn, but time did take him away from us
> at about 28 hrs. old.  Jack just checked in at the box again for me now to
> report everyone else is doing GOOD.
>
> Will call Univ. of ME Orono tomorrow AM, to see if they have any interest
> in
> doing a necropsy for us.  Keep the faith with us our other 5 oz. male, who
> remains MUCH more vigorous still this eve and nursing, is here to stay.
> Next smallest pup is a 7 oz female, and she also remains full of vim and
> vigor tonight.  Remainder of pups all range from 8-10 oz, and going and
> growing strong.  Sparkle herself is eating like a horse, and happy with
> her
> brood :)
>
> Jeffrey, I was TRYING to get their weight chart up still before I reposted
> the link :)  But here it is again, just for CSD folks to also get a peek
> of
> their first snapshot (and now only photo of the 11 of them, sadly) and
> sighting of the NOW TEN 2005 I.S.A. POWER HOWLERS!
> http://tullibardine.bizland.com/puppyJuly05.chtml
>
> Warm Regards,
> Susan
>

Geesh, Jeffrey, can't hide nothin' from you too long! :-)

Good news is; Sparkle Plenty's milkbar remains in full production!
Bad news is; we just lost, at approx. 7:20 PM, our tiniest male [only 5
oz.!], who did fade away despite our best efforts to supplement him since
birth.  He was still nursing this morn, but time did take him away from us
at about 28 hrs. old.  Jack just checked in at the box again for me now to
report everyone else is doing GOOD.

Will call Univ. of ME Orono tomorrow AM, to see if they have any interest in
doing a necropsy for us.  Keep the faith with us our other 5 oz. male, who
remains MUCH more vigorous still this eve and nursing, is here to stay.
Next smallest pup is a 7 oz female, and she also remains full of vim and
vigor tonight.  Remainder of pups all range from 8-10 oz, and going and
growing strong.  Sparkle herself is eating like a horse, and happy with her
brood :)

Jeffrey, I was TRYING to get their weight chart up still before I reposted
the link :)  But here it is again, just for CSD folks to also get a peek of
their first snapshot (and now only photo of the 11 of them, sadly) and
sighting of the NOW TEN 2005 I.S.A. POWER HOWLERS!
http://tullibardine.bizland.com/puppyJuly05.chtml

Warm Regards,
Susan

----- Original Message -----
From: <jjeffrey@...>
To: <ChinookSledDogs@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 7:38 PM
Subject: [CSD] Eleven Power Howlers!


> I FOUND IT! I FOUND IT!
>
> I found the first photo of the first I. S. A. Chinook litter, and I got
> there before she even posted a link, hahaha! };->
>
> Aren't they just too precious!  They look SO TINY alongside their great
> big mama, but there sure are a lot of 'em!
>
> If they truly turn out to be the kind of Power Howlers that Jack insists
> they's be, you folks are not gonna be able to hear yourselves think, very
> very soon! :-D
>
> Hope they are all doing great!
>
> Jeffrey

Hey Britain,

Interesting website you have! Intriguing design, too, quite different. Is
there anyplace I could see MORE of your animal portraiture than just the
couple or three images on the site, though?  I'm curious to see more of
your work by way of dog portraits.

Also I've been meaning to ask you, and others on this list. Rather, not
"ask," but to PLEAD with folks to please e-mail me some really nice
CHINOOK photos that I can post on the I. S. A. website in the photo
gallery page.  Anything as long as it looks good (don't have to tell YOU
that, Britain, I know!) but I would feel particularly lucky to get some
snazzy pix of Chinooks doing their sleddog thing.

(Photos should be either large size or high-res so that I can crop or
resize them as needed, and must of course be submitted and released for
use on the ISA site by the person who owns the copyright!)

Jeffrey
(I. S. A. webmaster)

-------------
> LUCKY!
> Britain Hill
> isabaloo@...
>
> Haywire Industries
> Earthquake Akitas and Chinooks
> http://www.britainhill.com/
> pawed@...
>
> On Jul 7, 2005, at 7:38 PM, jjeffrey@... wrote:
>
>> I FOUND IT! I FOUND IT!
>>
>> I found the first photo of the first I. S. A. Chinook litter, and I
>> got
>> there before she even posted a link, hahaha! };->
>>
>> Aren't they just too precious!  They look SO TINY alongside their
>> great
>> big mama, but there sure are a lot of 'em!
>>
>> If they truly turn out to be the kind of Power Howlers that Jack
>> insists
>> they's be, you folks are not gonna be able to hear yourselves
>> think, very
>> very soon! :-D
>>
>> Hope they are all doing great!
>>
>> Jeffrey
>>
>>
>>
>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

LUCKY!
Britain Hill
isabaloo@...

Haywire Industries
Earthquake Akitas and Chinooks
http://www.britainhill.com/
pawed@...

On Jul 7, 2005, at 7:38 PM, jjeffrey@... wrote:

> I FOUND IT! I FOUND IT!
>
> I found the first photo of the first I. S. A. Chinook litter, and I
> got
> there before she even posted a link, hahaha! };->
>
> Aren't they just too precious!  They look SO TINY alongside their
> great
> big mama, but there sure are a lot of 'em!
>
> If they truly turn out to be the kind of Power Howlers that Jack
> insists
> they's be, you folks are not gonna be able to hear yourselves
> think, very
> very soon! :-D
>
> Hope they are all doing great!
>
> Jeffrey
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

I FOUND IT! I FOUND IT!

I found the first photo of the first I. S. A. Chinook litter, and I got
there before she even posted a link, hahaha! };->

Aren't they just too precious!  They look SO TINY alongside their great
big mama, but there sure are a lot of 'em!

If they truly turn out to be the kind of Power Howlers that Jack insists
they's be, you folks are not gonna be able to hear yourselves think, very
very soon! :-D

Hope they are all doing great!

Jeffrey

On 7/6/05, Susan Murray <susan@...> wrote:
> (Topped our SW Mollyockett's litter of 9 sired by ND Ootah in 2000 !)
>
>  Sparkle and pups resting comfortably this hour; so we're hoping she's ALL
> DONE DELIVERING ?! :), and we'll see how they all progress their first day.
>  7 Males; 4 Females !
>  9 Tawny Reds; 2 Tawny Silvers (both females) !

whoa!  that's a lot of pups!

>
>  So please join us in welcoming Sparkle & Power's July 6th, 2005, Chinook
> litter!  Jack's already referring to them as the Power Howlers, since they
> all came out practically singing!  (Will see if it sticks :)  Will get first
> pics and weights up on their litter page tomorrow.

I can't wait- please send us links.

>
>  Sparkle is a miraculously natural mother, as were her dam, maternal grand
> dam and great grand dam.  And as breeders know; It's always a pleasant
> surprise with a females' first litter to know how such valuable traits can
> and do seem to carry on down.  Gives us more hope for the future, and a
> blessing all the way 'round.

congratulations!   My tortoiseshell cat was a very stressed momma,
having been adopted by us only 2 weeks prior to kittening so it was
hard for her.     She raised her 6 sucessfully but not easily.

as a lactating mom, I gotta say that nursing was a good part of
childrearing so don't feel *too* sorry for her feeding 11.   Just feed
her a lot, and love her- and she'll love nursing those pups.   My
queen cats sure did- my Siamese didn't wean until the day the boys
were carried out of the house at 3 or 4 mos old.    She was perfectly
happy doing it-  I loved watching those cats nurse their kittens.  :-)
--
--
Kate, http://systems.cs.colorado.edu/~kolina/advantages-of-formula.html
   Mom to Ursula (10), Sage (8!!), Benno (4.5)
It is not fair to ask of others what you are unwilling to do yourself.
  ~ Eleanor Roosevelt
My longtime favorite parenting mailing list-
http://listserv.uts.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/parent-l

Britain;
Bless you, the Kleet, and the Phoenix (Rising..:)

Warm Regards,
Susan

----- Original Message -----
From: "Isabella Britain Hill" <isabaloo@...>
To: <ChinookSledDogs@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 9:17 PM
Subject: Re: [CSD] Sparkle Plenty!


> Here's to the future of your Chinooks, every one of them.
> Britain
> isabaloo@...
>
> Haywire Industries
> Earthquake Akitas and Chinooks
> http://www.britainhill.com/
> pawed@...
>

Jeffrey;
Thank you!!!  And Sparkle says thank you too!!!  Yes, I will treat her for
you and Isa especially! :)

And thanks for the congrats on it being a VERY auspicious event for I.S.A.!
May we LIVE LONG AND PROSPER together! :-)  And the dairy bar; ugh, I
know...thank goodness all 10 of Sparkle's milkers are workin' so far... :)

Warm Regards to you and Isa,
Susan

----- Original Message -----
From: <jjeffrey@...>
To: <ChinookSledDogs@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 9:13 PM
Subject: Re: [CSD] Sparkle Plenty!


> CONGRATULATIONS to two tired but triumphant people and one heck of a fine
> Chinook brood bitch! Give her a juicy treat and tell her it's from
> Jeffrey, will you, and thank her for such an auspicious FIRST I. S. A.
> CHINOOK LITTER in this our founding year.  And keep the goodies going her
> way fast and hard, 'cause Sparkle-Plenty's gonna have a very big job
> running the dairy for that mob!
>
> Very best wishes to all!
> Jeffrey Bragg
> ----------------

Here's to the future of your Chinooks, every one of them.
Britain
isabaloo@...

Haywire Industries
Earthquake Akitas and Chinooks
http://www.britainhill.com/
pawed@...

On Jul 6, 2005, at 8:04 PM, Susan Murray wrote:

> Hello All;
>
> Just a quick note to announce that our Chinook, Tullibardine
> Sparkle (bred naturally to Tullibardine Power), did deliver
> naturally today, from 1:45 PM thru 5:40 PM; 11 Chinook PUPS!
> Largest Tullibardine litter to date!  (Topped our SW Mollyockett's
> litter of 9 sired by ND Ootah in 2000 !)
>
> Sparkle and pups resting comfortably this hour; so we're hoping
> she's ALL DONE DELIVERING ?! :), and we'll see how they all
> progress their first day.
> 7 Males; 4 Females !
> 9 Tawny Reds; 2 Tawny Silvers (both females) !
>
> Also another quick note to breeders: Sparkle delivered her first
> pup only an hour after her temp was last read at 99.4F !  First
> female that's ever whelped here before her temp dropped below
> 98.0F !  Good thing we'd been pretty much ready since Monday.
>
> Milestones for this litter then are (off the top of my very tired
> head);
> First Great Grand Pups of two of our kennel founders, Northdown
> Ootah X Perry Greene Natanis
> First Grand Pups of another of our kennel founders, Howlin Hills
> Fox Maule Ramsay
> First Grand Pups of Tullibardine Mustang
> First Pups sired by Tullibardine Power (dob 2.15.1999 - male
> leading line Power/Ootah/NW Nome)
>
> So please join us in welcoming Sparkle & Power's July 6th, 2005,
> Chinook litter!  Jack's already referring to them as the Power
> Howlers, since they all came out practically singing!  (Will see if
> it sticks :)  Will get first pics and weights up on their litter
> page tomorrow.
>
> Sparkle is a miraculously natural mother, as were her dam, maternal
> grand dam and great grand dam.  And as breeders know; It's always a
> pleasant surprise with a females' first litter to know how such
> valuable traits can and do seem to carry on down.  Gives us more
> hope for the future, and a blessing all the way 'round.
>
> Best Regards,
> Susan Murray
> General Partner
> Chinook Trading Post at Tullibardine Farm LLP
> http://chinooktradingpost.com
> Custodian of Records
> International Seppala Association
> http://www.seppalasleddogs.com/isa/
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

CONGRATULATIONS to two tired but triumphant people and one heck of a fine
Chinook brood bitch! Give her a juicy treat and tell her it's from
Jeffrey, will you, and thank her for such an auspicious FIRST I. S. A.
CHINOOK LITTER in this our founding year.  And keep the goodies going her
way fast and hard, 'cause Sparkle-Plenty's gonna have a very big job
running the dairy for that mob!

Very best wishes to all!
Jeffrey Bragg
----------------
> Hello All;
>
> Just a quick note to announce that our Chinook, Tullibardine Sparkle (bred
> naturally to Tullibardine Power), did deliver naturally today, from 1:45
> PM thru 5:40 PM; 11 Chinook PUPS!  Largest Tullibardine litter to date!
> (Topped our SW Mollyockett's litter of 9 sired by ND Ootah in 2000 !)
>
> Sparkle and pups resting comfortably this hour; so we're hoping she's ALL
> DONE DELIVERING ?! :), and we'll see how they all progress their first
> day.
> 7 Males; 4 Females !
> 9 Tawny Reds; 2 Tawny Silvers (both females) !
>
> Also another quick note to breeders: Sparkle delivered her first pup only
> an hour after her temp was last read at 99.4F !  First female that's ever
> whelped here before her temp dropped below 98.0F !  Good thing we'd been
> pretty much ready since Monday.
>
> Milestones for this litter then are (off the top of my very tired head);
> First Great Grand Pups of two of our kennel founders, Northdown Ootah X
> Perry Greene Natanis
> First Grand Pups of another of our kennel founders, Howlin Hills Fox Maule
> Ramsay
> First Grand Pups of Tullibardine Mustang
> First Pups sired by Tullibardine Power (dob 2.15.1999 - male leading line
> Power/Ootah/NW Nome)
>
> So please join us in welcoming Sparkle & Power's July 6th, 2005, Chinook
> litter!  Jack's already referring to them as the Power Howlers, since they
> all came out practically singing!  (Will see if it sticks :)  Will get
> first pics and weights up on their litter page tomorrow.
>
> Sparkle is a miraculously natural mother, as were her dam, maternal grand
> dam and great grand dam.  And as breeders know; It's always a pleasant
> surprise with a females' first litter to know how such valuable traits can
> and do seem to carry on down.  Gives us more hope for the future, and a
> blessing all the way 'round.
>
> Best Regards,
> Susan Murray
> General Partner
> Chinook Trading Post at Tullibardine Farm LLP
> http://chinooktradingpost.com
> Custodian of Records
> International Seppala Association
> http://www.seppalasleddogs.com/isa/
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Congratulations on a large healthy litter!!!



Carie Taylor
Moonsong Chinooks
chinookrun@...
cariet@...
moonsongchinook@...




>From: "Susan Murray" <susan@...>
>Reply-To: ChinookSledDogs@yahoogroups.com
>To:
><LegacySleddogs@yahoogroups.com>,<ChinookSledDogs@yahoogroups.com>,"Discussion
>list related to Chinook dogs." <CHINOOK-L@...>
>Subject: [CSD] Sparkle Plenty!
>Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 20:04:55 -0400
>
>Hello All;
>
>Just a quick note to announce that our Chinook, Tullibardine Sparkle (bred
>naturally to Tullibardine Power), did deliver naturally today, from 1:45 PM
>thru 5:40 PM; 11 Chinook PUPS!  Largest Tullibardine litter to date!
>(Topped our SW Mollyockett's litter of 9 sired by ND Ootah in 2000 !)
>
>Sparkle and pups resting comfortably this hour; so we're hoping she's ALL
>DONE DELIVERING ?! :), and we'll see how they all progress their first day.
>7 Males; 4 Females !
>9 Tawny Reds; 2 Tawny Silvers (both females) !
>
>Also another quick note to breeders: Sparkle delivered her first pup only
>an hour after her temp was last read at 99.4F !  First female that's ever
>whelped here before her temp dropped below 98.0F !  Good thing we'd been
>pretty much ready since Monday.
>
>Milestones for this litter then are (off the top of my very tired head);
>First Great Grand Pups of two of our kennel founders, Northdown Ootah X
>Perry Greene Natanis
>First Grand Pups of another of our kennel founders, Howlin Hills Fox Maule
>Ramsay
>First Grand Pups of Tullibardine Mustang
>First Pups sired by Tullibardine Power (dob 2.15.1999 - male leading line
>Power/Ootah/NW Nome)
>
>So please join us in welcoming Sparkle & Power's July 6th, 2005, Chinook
>litter!  Jack's already referring to them as the Power Howlers, since they
>all came out practically singing!  (Will see if it sticks :)  Will get
>first pics and weights up on their litter page tomorrow.
>
>Sparkle is a miraculously natural mother, as were her dam, maternal grand
>dam and great grand dam.  And as breeders know; It's always a pleasant
>surprise with a females' first litter to know how such valuable traits can
>and do seem to carry on down.  Gives us more hope for the future, and a
>blessing all the way 'round.
>
>Best Regards,
>Susan Murray
>General Partner
>Chinook Trading Post at Tullibardine Farm LLP
>http://chinooktradingpost.com
>Custodian of Records
>International Seppala Association
>http://www.seppalasleddogs.com/isa/
>
>[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Hello All;

Just a quick note to announce that our Chinook, Tullibardine Sparkle (bred
naturally to Tullibardine Power), did deliver naturally today, from 1:45 PM thru
5:40 PM; 11 Chinook PUPS!  Largest Tullibardine litter to date!  (Topped our SW
Mollyockett's litter of 9 sired by ND Ootah in 2000 !)

Sparkle and pups resting comfortably this hour; so we're hoping she's ALL DONE
DELIVERING ?! :), and we'll see how they all progress their first day.
7 Males; 4 Females !
9 Tawny Reds; 2 Tawny Silvers (both females) !

Also another quick note to breeders: Sparkle delivered her first pup only an
hour after her temp was last read at 99.4F !  First female that's ever whelped
here before her temp dropped below 98.0F !  Good thing we'd been pretty much
ready since Monday.

Milestones for this litter then are (off the top of my very tired head);
First Great Grand Pups of two of our kennel founders, Northdown Ootah X Perry
Greene Natanis
First Grand Pups of another of our kennel founders, Howlin Hills Fox Maule
Ramsay
First Grand Pups of Tullibardine Mustang
First Pups sired by Tullibardine Power (dob 2.15.1999 - male leading line
Power/Ootah/NW Nome)

So please join us in welcoming Sparkle & Power's July 6th, 2005, Chinook litter!
Jack's already referring to them as the Power Howlers, since they all came out
practically singing!  (Will see if it sticks :)  Will get first pics and weights
up on their litter page tomorrow.

Sparkle is a miraculously natural mother, as were her dam, maternal grand dam
and great grand dam.  And as breeders know; It's always a pleasant surprise with
a females' first litter to know how such valuable traits can and do seem to
carry on down.  Gives us more hope for the future, and a blessing all the way
'round.

Best Regards,
Susan Murray
General Partner
Chinook Trading Post at Tullibardine Farm LLP
http://chinooktradingpost.com
Custodian of Records
International Seppala Association
http://www.seppalasleddogs.com/isa/

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

> I'm new here, but it sounds like Lance was Jack's?   I'm so, so sorry
> for your loss.    My dear Dakota was put down almost 2 weeks ago- she
> was a Siberian/Samoyed mix- you can click on her little thumbnails at
> http://katehallberg.buzznet.com/user/   .   We miss her so much- as
> I'm sure you miss your Lance.

> Kate


Kate,

Yes, Lance belonged to me and my sister Susan, who co-owns our farm with me.
Thanks much for your thoughts...and so sorry to hear of your loss as well. I
gather from her photo Dakota was about the same age as Lance, ~13 years? We
were lucky they both had longevity going for them; we got to share company
with them for a good, long time :-)

Best,

Jack Murray
Tullibardine Farm LLP
New Sharon, ME
www.chinooktradingpost.com

Jeffrey,
Yup, will do.  And funny you mention Comet again...my sister got to
reflecting on Comet again the other day too...she says she loved him most of
all, because he was so 'Com-ical' :)  But truly, he was an 'entertainer'
amongst us.  Here he is again 'one more once'
http://tullibardine.bizland.com/Comet.chtml

And here's our 'In Memorium' page (includes links to a couple non-Chinook
dog memorials as well) http://tullibardine.bizland.com/InMemorium.chtml
I've got so MANY more Individual (living!:) dog pages and another half dozen
Memorials to put up too (for those who left us before I began to mount pages
for each of our dogs not so long ago).  I started with our stud pages, and
I'm not done with them all, while all my girls are patiently waiting for
their 15 minutes on the net still too!  And SO much narrative I've asked
Jack to begin to add to each of them...

And the REAL Chinook Memorial Cemetary here (North end of the farmyard, and
on the edge of the woods), is also becoming more sculptured with each dogs'
passing.  The cemetary is but one part of our 'living history' plans here on
the farm, where folks will be allowed to walk in or out of the farmyard thru
it's pathways.  Jack is in the process of mounting an obelisk in the center
with a northerly facing placard to 'Old Polaris' who took Peary to the North
Pole, and Southerly facing placard to Polaris' great grandson, 'Old Chinook'
(breed founder), and his 15 sons who went with him to Antarctica on BAE I.
Jack drew the monument and layout for me atleast 5 years ago; and we're
pleased to finally begin to see the fruits of our labors on this project.
The burial layout is a wheel and a genealogical wheel, where our founders
are buried in the nearest circle to the center, and their descendants will
radiate outward and around them thru time.  Each pathway will be a spoke to
this wheel, so folks can stop to read the names etched in marker stones of
our dogs ancestors.  We've got many more rocks to move and grades to fill
(there will also be a circular gravel farm drive around the cemetary,
leading to the new kennels); but the cornerstones have been laid, and 5 of
our Chinooks have already been laid to rest in their rightful positions,
waiting for their center obelisk to be set :)

SO; when kids and young breeders and old folks and old breeders drive in and
walk thru these shaded and serene pathways one day, they will not only know
what each of these dogs meant to US, but also might FEEL what they STILL
MEAN to the LIVING dogs in the new kennels structure at path's end (30 X 50'
quonset - another of our 'spare time' construction projects this summer)!
(And can you tell we come from a family of amateur historians and
geneologists? :)  The cemetary is beautiful and serene already, still in
it's rugged/construction state.  Jack began a stone wall in front last week.
It's where we go sit already to have a lemonade in haying season and on days
as hot as these...

And I do find myself spending most all of my days now in intimate chat with
my kennel full of Chinook beauties...in heaven on earth already, I am :)
Was trying to keep that a secret, but I get overwhelmed with both pride and
joy when I'm working with my dogs at home here and on their web 'walks of
fame' :)  And 'Life is forever', as my dad used to say...

Susan

----- Original Message -----
From: <jjeffrey@...>
To: <ChinookSledDogs@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2005 10:46 PM
Subject: [CSD] Re: [LegacySleddogs] Northdown Lance 1992 - 2005


> Susan, you be sure and let us know when you've got Lance's memorial page
> together. I for one look forward to seeing it, as I was knocked out by the
> one you did for Comet. It was so warm and so full of feeling, that it made
> me feel almost as though I had known Comet myself. And the captions were
> like an intimate chat you were having with your old red buddy . . . I
> loved it, and I hope you'll do as well for Lance.
> Jeffrey
>

On 6/25/05, Jack R. Murray <jack@...> wrote:
>  > I know how heavy-hearted
>  > you must feel at the end of the career of a dog like Lance.<
>
>  Hi All,-snip-

>
>  I guess in the long run what I'll remember most about Lance was his gentle
>  nature...all he ever wanted was to please us, and all he ever needed in
>  return was an occasional "good boy" and a pat on the head. You sure can't
>  find that kind of loyalty or companionship in a snow machine!
>

I'm new here, but it sounds like Lance was Jack's?   I'm so, so sorry
for your loss.    My dear Dakota was put down almost 2 weeks ago- she
was a Siberian/Samoyed mix- you can click on her little thumbnails at
http://katehallberg.buzznet.com/user/   .   We miss her so much- as
I'm sure you miss your Lance.


--
--
Kate, http://systems.cs.colorado.edu/~kolina/advantages-of-formula.html
   Mom to Ursula (10), Sage (8!!), Benno (4.5)
It is not fair to ask of others what you are unwilling to do yourself.
  ~ Eleanor Roosevelt
My longtime favorite parenting mailing list-
http://listserv.uts.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/parent-l

Susan, you be sure and let us know when you've got Lance's memorial page
together. I for one look forward to seeing it, as I was knocked out by the
one you did for Comet. It was so warm and so full of feeling, that it made
me feel almost as though I had known Comet myself. And the captions were
like an intimate chat you were having with your old red buddy . . . I
loved it, and I hope you'll do as well for Lance.
Jeffrey

> years old. Sabre passed away from cancer a year later, and we were worried
> for Lance...they had never lived apart, and Lance (the quiet, steady one)
> had always lived in the shadow of his boisterous, playful sister...we
tried

Here they are, just like Jack describes them...I'm still looking for the
color original of this sepiatone.
http://tullibardine.bizland.com/SabreInLovingMemoryLance.JPG

Susan

Thanks for telling us about Lance, Jack.  Isn't it something, how all of a
sudden, sometimes, something goes "pop" inside the head of a young sleddog
who has just reached physical maturity, and suddenly the "doofus"
disappears and a gritty, determined worker emerges! The racing mob seldom
benefit from these late-maturing prodigies, because their entire training,
selection and breeding methodology is geared to early maturity (as are,
for that matter, those of the showdog contingent -- witness all the
"champions" out of puppy classes, at least in Canada).

Amen to the value of good wheelers!  Up here in the Yukon I consider them
just as essential as good leaders.  Without consistent pulling and
intelligent trail sense on the part of that first pair ahead of the sled,
you hit too many trees and rocks to suit me!  How many times have I picked
up broken pieces of other peoples' sleds off our trails, proving that some
folks just don't have good wheelers getting them around the tight curves!
For comfort and security on the trail, you gotta have 'em!

> I know how heavy-hearted
> you must feel at the end of the career of a dog like Lance.<

Hi All,

We didn't know Lance and his litter sister Sabre well as puppies; but we
did, however, get to know them in their prime. They were raised as pets and
came here as 4 year olds, when their owners divorced. Interestingly they
joined two other littermates here: Ootah, who was running lead on our
Chinook team, and Denali, who was our mother's dog but visited here often to
run wheel when we needed the extra "dogpower". Lance's first winter here
(96/97) was quiet and with good snow; and I was able to hook a team every
day and get some miles on them before the real work of maple sugar season
hit in late February/early March. It was in these training runs with Lance
and Sabre in wheel that they earned their nickname "The Dufuses", as they
both acted like neither of them had a brain in their head. But when the sap
started running and the sled started getting heavier, some switch tripped in
their heads, and suddenly they were "on"! By the third loaded trip they were
pros at working both sides of the gangline to keep the sled in the middle of
the trail; and I suddenly learned the value of good wheelers. I took a tip
from a mid-distance racer and put them in freight style harnesses, and also
made a special gangline section with longer tugs and necklines, doing
everything possible to make their job easier; and we were rewarded by having
them as farm partners for 6 years, retiring them to a life of leisure at 10
years old. Sabre passed away from cancer a year later, and we were worried
for Lance...they had never lived apart, and Lance (the quiet, steady one)
had always lived in the shadow of his boisterous, playful sister...we tried
several new buddies for him in his kennel run, but instead Lance was much
happier just being on his own...at last! And Susan brought him into the
house this past winter where he got attention from a "harem" of house girls;
so I hope, and think, his retirement agreed with him.

I guess in the long run what I'll remember most about Lance was his gentle
nature...all he ever wanted was to please us, and all he ever needed in
return was an occasional "good boy" and a pat on the head. You sure can't
find that kind of loyalty or companionship in a snow machine!

Jack Murray
Tullibardine Farm
New Sharon, ME
www.chinooktradingpost.com

> I know you'll believe me, Susan, when I say that I know how heavy-hearted
> you must feel at the end of the career of a dog like Lance. I have still
> not begun to get over the passing of Sepalluna, and knowing that your
> Lance was leaving you yesterday just somehow started the grieving up all
> over again for me. When it's a dog like 'Lluna, then somehow her ancestors
> like Dreama and Ditko, and collaterals like Sepalleopard and Surgut and
> Nyura all get mixed up in it as well, all taking turns pulling at one's
> heartstrings and memories. Heavy "emotional weather" indeed!

Jeffrey, Yup, and I think your dear Lluna was in our woods too yesterday, as
the sun broke out over Lance's grave just after we finished up his
burial...came out from behind a slate blue cloud just to bedazzle and warm
us before dark.  Was thinking then how odd yet beautiful these moments
become when eternity itself seems to intersect time.    Anyway, I put a flat
piece of slate with a little hunk of rose quartz atop my dear Lance's place,
and walked back to the farmhouse sad, but with such wonderment still.

>
> As a result I spent this morning surfing the web for ideas and
> inspiration, because I find it's time to add a Rainbow Bridge page to the
> SSSD website.  There are so many fine and much-missed canine personalities
> who should be remembered, and a lot of good photos available to make their
> memories vivid . . .

YES, that's it - Personalities and deeds remembered, and how they altered
the universe for us.  And as breeders; to experience how each of our kennel
founders' traits is beginning to echo down thru the generations now, remains
also remarkable 'living history', you might say.  And I can only begin to
fathom how many ways, shapes & forms, Dreama and Ditko still 'speak' to you.
And Lluna too now.  As you say, Seppala Kennels remains abundant with
stellar guides.

>
> The "authentic Seppalas" I. S. A. online database work continues. I now
> find that I underestimated the number of records considerably. Instead of
> five or six hundred, it's now looking like it will be more like 750,
> perhaps even a few more.  As I get into the 1975 and later "post-Markovo"
> dogs the work becomes slower and more difficult, paradoxically, perhaps
> because there are no comprehensive collected listings for that period. The

Here you could also be speaking of the Chinook :)

> "Carded!" files of dogs up to 1940 and the 1976 "The Seppala Siberian"
> collection of studbook entries helped enormously with the early period.
> But for MANY relatively recent dogs, registration numbers, birthdates,
> owners, and descriptions are missing -- it's ridiculous, but for a large
> number of 1970s and 1980s dogs, all we know that is generally available is
> a name, a sire and a dam!

I wish I had sires and dams on some of the late '80's Chinooks still, and
heck, for a couple late '90's Chinooks too.  Same boat again :)

>
> Of course the *Registry Database* itself remains a prime concern -- but
> with you, Susan, at the helm as Custodian of Records I feel sure that we
> are going to come up with a system that will be vastly superior to
> anything any of us have used before now. I can feel that in my bones, that
> the collective experience represented on the I. S. A. Board is going to
> bear immediate fruit in that way, if we work methodically and don't rush
> the process. I am thinking not only of Chinooks and Seppalas. I know we
> have other sleddog minority populations that need record-keeping services.
> Eventually we shall be doing this for half a dozen minority breeds at
> least. We owe it to those people to build carefully and for the long term.
> We've seen good examples recently of how NOT to go about it!

Thanks for your vote of confidence, it means a lot.  And yes, I think we can
likely afford the time it will take to get a true archival system in place
that best integrates with both the registry dbase itself, as well as with
Alfirin/online dbases by extension.  Legacy breeds source documents do seem
to come in more shapes and sizes than one might at first imagine.  Atleast I
know our own collection remains fairly vast and varied for the Chinook.  And
we've only been at this game of Chinook pedigree and archival collecting for
13 years now.  I.S.A. will indeed 'speak volumes' then, when as you say,
others lend their own experience to the I.S.A. banner (and that's my honest
vision and belief, as well as a 'sales pitch':).

>
> So work away, Susan, both on your memorial web page and on those
> databases, and know that the preservation of vital information about dogs
> long passed over the Rainbow Bridge will be a precious legacy to the
> future, and a permanent monument to Lance.

Thanks again.  You know, some of the most precious knowledge I hold on
certain Chinook dogs, was imparted to me by breeders' tales in person,
scritched over their kitchen tables on coffee stained napkins, etc., that I
then rushed home to make sense out of in our Compuped pedigree dbase, before
I couldn't recall or decipher the true import of what knowledge I had just
been blessed to have received.  Just like how your life was probably never
the same since the day Bunty pointed out Ditko to you :)  Oh, well, 'Wonders
never cease!', as my grandmother used to say... :-)

Susan Murray
I.S.A. Custodian of Records

>
> J. Jeffrey Bragg
> I. S. A. President and Chair
>

I know you'll believe me, Susan, when I say that I know how heavy-hearted
you must feel at the end of the career of a dog like Lance. I have still
not begun to get over the passing of Sepalluna, and knowing that your
Lance was leaving you yesterday just somehow started the grieving up all
over again for me. When it's a dog like 'Lluna, then somehow her ancestors
like Dreama and Ditko, and collaterals like Sepalleopard and Surgut and
Nyura all get mixed up in it as well, all taking turns pulling at one's
heartstrings and memories. Heavy "emotional weather" indeed!

As a result I spent this morning surfing the web for ideas and
inspiration, because I find it's time to add a Rainbow Bridge page to the
SSSD website.  There are so many fine and much-missed canine personalities
who should be remembered, and a lot of good photos available to make their
memories vivid . . .

The "authentic Seppalas" I. S. A. online database work continues. I now
find that I underestimated the number of records considerably. Instead of
five or six hundred, it's now looking like it will be more like 750,
perhaps even a few more.  As I get into the 1975 and later "post-Markovo"
dogs the work becomes slower and more difficult, paradoxically, perhaps
because there are no comprehensive collected listings for that period. The
"Carded!" files of dogs up to 1940 and the 1976 "The Seppala Siberian"
collection of studbook entries helped enormously with the early period.
But for MANY relatively recent dogs, registration numbers, birthdates,
owners, and descriptions are missing -- it's ridiculous, but for a large
number of 1970s and 1980s dogs, all we know that is generally available is
a name, a sire and a dam!

Of course the *Registry Database* itself remains a prime concern -- but
with you, Susan, at the helm as Custodian of Records I feel sure that we
are going to come up with a system that will be vastly superior to
anything any of us have used before now. I can feel that in my bones, that
the collective experience represented on the I. S. A. Board is going to
bear immediate fruit in that way, if we work methodically and don't rush
the process. I am thinking not only of Chinooks and Seppalas. I know we
have other sleddog minority populations that need record-keeping services.
Eventually we shall be doing this for half a dozen minority breeds at
least. We owe it to those people to build carefully and for the long term.
We've seen good examples recently of how NOT to go about it!

So work away, Susan, both on your memorial web page and on those
databases, and know that the preservation of vital information about dogs
long passed over the Rainbow Bridge will be a precious legacy to the
future, and a permanent monument to Lance.

J. Jeffrey Bragg
I. S. A. President and Chair

Jeffrey;
Thanks for the I.S.A.  progress report.  Yup, I'm still filling in gaps in
detailed dbase descriptions of our I.S.A. Chinooks; while generally preparing
setup of that serious registry hardfiling/archival system in support of our
I.S.A. serious registry dbase, and I haven't given up hope to be able to dig
into my own pockets later this summer for a used fireproof file to help startout
all I.S.A. breeds right by.  In the meantime, it's also a very exciting biz this
getting to know everyone and their own beautiful and purposeful sleddog families
in so many 'parrallel universes', and remains my pleasure and priviledge to do
so, really.

On the topic of Chinook comings and goings;
The sad news is we lost one of our first I.S.A. Chinooks just yesterday, our 13
yo NORTHDOWN LANCE, dob 12.12.1992 (see his photo at
http://tullibardine.bizland.com/ChinookStuds2.chtml ); also best and brightest
of the Tullibardine team wheel dogs for so many years past.  I don't think I
even shared this thought with you or anyone at the time; but I 'told' Lance 4
months ago when he began to fail, that I would do my best to get all our
Tullibardine Chinooks assigned their I.S.A. record numbers before he passed on,
including him; and so he hung on for a few more weeks after I got that done
finally (THANKS again to the President for approving my purposefully simple, yet
hopefully not too simple, numbering system of ISA Chinooks emmanating from
Tullibardine as CH00001 thru CH00042 !).  So, I.S.A. Chinook CH00003 (an
auspicious number indeed for such a loving boy!) remains guiding me from above
today...  I'm beginning work on his memorial webpage, as I continue to gather up
the years worth of photos and tales of his sojourns, and will forward his
pagelink here when done.

And the good news is (as you already know); we're expecting what's to be our
first I.S.A. recorded Tullibardine Chinook litter on or about July 9th!  Here's
the lovebugs' - SPARKLE & POWER's - litter announcement page, (with still a few
holes in it I'm also working to fill :)
http://chinooktradingpost.com/puppyJuly05.chtml .

Hopefully, this post will suffice as the beginnings of my own intro to
LegacySleddogs then!  Again, it's my pleasure to be amongst the likes of one and
all.  More later, as I've gotta get back to keeping my tawny dogs cool, calm &
collected, now it's past high noon in New Sharon, ME!

Oh, and thanks for all your own hard work these past 6 mos. (to 40 yrs:)!  As
you also already know, I.S.A. remains my and our Tullibardine Farm Chinooks
'dream come true', simply for being a finer 'breed registry' and breed supporter
for the Chinook already than we ever dared imagine.  And I'm going back to study
your Alfirin dbase records/pedigrees on the SSSD's 'boat dogs'  myself now.  I
like to start at the beginnings of things, before they get 'wicked' confusing,
as we say here in Maine :-)  Glad to be onboard!

Regards,
Susan Murray, general partner
Chinook Trading Post at Tullibardine Farm LLP
http://chinooktradingpost.com
custodian of records
International Seppala Association
http://www.seppalasleddogs.com/isa/

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Jeffrey;
Thank you!  Welcome to you and JoJo!  And I'm pretty excited ChinookSledDogs
has blossomed into an open forum!  So glad to have you onboard, and we shall
all get to unlocking more of those mysteries and intricacies here together
then.

What amazes me today, while waiting for Sparkle's get, is how much and how
often we've 'recalculated' liklihoods of ancestry of each of those 'Opens'
and 'Alternates' these past ten years or so (both a labor of love and
pain!); but how little of it in the end we truly trusted even; UNTIL first
grandprogeny of our own kennel founders were born in 2003.  Thankfully then,
the individual dogs themselves did begin to reveal themselves to us like so
many pieces to the puzzle(s) they are.  But I guess the 'old timers' already
knew how that all works, aye? :)

And because the science existed, even in it's fledgling state; I never gave
up on dna parent verifications where and when possible for each of our
kennel founders, and had to act the mule myself more than once, just walking
thru the hurdles others most certainly did place in my way, to get that
done.  And the $ spent in others kennels to do that is still telling in how
many of our own pups remain pending their own profiling.  So I wear the dna
identities of a couple of the hardest 'won' profiles still like shields over
my heart (namely in Ramsay and Ootah's parentage), for again, without dna
science, we wouldn't be sitting as relatively assured as we are even today.
Other breeders choose still, at times, to turn a blind eye to their own
Chinook's modern 'unknowns', but that never seemed to us to be a useful
practice when it came time to plan actual breedings.  But I suppose some
folks truly are 'afraid of the unknown'.  I simply remain genuinely curious
as to actual origins and the imprints they've made.

Anyway, I'm pleased you and JoJo are sitting with us now, as I value your
own ability to make sense where there is some still to be made, immeasurably
so.  And because Chinooks miraculously remain such beauties (if you don't
mind the extra cargo they carry compared to your more graceful Seppalas:),
they tend to make all the 'no pain no gain' that surrounds them still all
worthwhile.

I'll see if I can't get a photo of Sparkle uploaded (herself one of those
first Tullibardine grandprogeny referred to above), while she's glowing so.
Will keep everyone posted as to her progress (and ours:).  Thanks again for
joining in.

Regards,
Susan Murray
Chinook Trading Post at Tullibardine Farm LLP
http://chinooktradingpost.com

----- Original Message -----
From: "J. Jeffrey Bragg" <jjeffrey@...>
To: <ChinookSledDogs@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 7:30 PM
Subject: [CSD] Metamorphosis!


> Susan, congratulations on the metamorphosis of this group from a puppy-
> owners' list to a full-grown breed list! I don't own a Chinook (yet --
unless I
> count my "Chinook wannabe," JoJo), so I'll probably be lurking on the
sidelines
> of this list trying to absorb more of the mysteries and intricacies of the
> Chinook Sleddog breed.  I think I'm well on my way to understanding the
> HISTORY of the breed pretty well, but I have to confess that the BREEDING
and
> the BLOODLINES still confuse the heck out of me, with so many "open" and
> "alternate" pedigrees and the immense confusion of the Perry Greene rescue
> and the following years. Maybe one day it'll all start to soak in --
meanwhile,
> I'm listening with fascination!
>
> Good luck to Sparkle-Plenty when July 9 rolls around!
>

Susan, congratulations on the metamorphosis of this group from a puppy-
owners' list to a full-grown breed list! I don't own a Chinook (yet -- unless I
count my "Chinook wannabe," JoJo), so I'll probably be lurking on the sidelines
of this list trying to absorb more of the mysteries and intricacies of the
Chinook Sleddog breed.  I think I'm well on my way to understanding the
HISTORY of the breed pretty well, but I have to confess that the BREEDING and
the BLOODLINES still confuse the heck out of me, with so many "open" and
"alternate" pedigrees and the immense confusion of the Perry Greene rescue
and the following years. Maybe one day it'll all start to soak in -- meanwhile,
I'm listening with fascination!

Good luck to Sparkle-Plenty when July 9 rolls around!