Search the web
Sign In
New User? Sign Up
CrexMeadowsNatureLovers · Crex Meadows Nature Lovers
? Already a member? Sign in to Yahoo!

Yahoo! Groups Tips

Did you know...
Want your group to be featured on the Yahoo! Groups website? Add a group photo to Flickr.

Best of Y! Groups

   Check them out and nominate your group.
Having problems with message search? Fill out this form to ensure your group is one of the first to be migrated to the new message search system.

Messages

  Messages Help
Advanced
While we're identifying butterflies...   Message List  
Reply | Forward Message #736 of 919 |
Re: While we're identifying butterflies...

It has been a long time, so I can't tell from the front. It is either a
question mark or a comma, but you would have to see the back of the wing to
tell.

Bill in MN

--- In CrexMeadowsNatureLovers@yahoogroups.com, "mn_windchill"
<mn_windchill@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Rick
>
> Commas give me trouble. Always. Yours does not have the shadow dot on the
forewing, but the yellow dots on the hindwing do not go far enough. But the
yellow dots on the hindwing are not always diagnostic.
>
> Lots of references indicate the comma on the underside is diagnostic. For the
Eastern Comma, this underside mark is hooked on each end, sometimes sharply and
on the Gray comma, its more of a curved line.
>
> Heres a good pic of the hook on the Eastern:
> http://bugguide.net/node/view/76230/bgimage
>
> It could very well be a gray.
>
> I agree with your eastern Tiger ID.
>
> The caterpillar: moths tend to be hairy but can be bald, Butterflies tend to
be bald.
>
> Look towards American Daggar Moth (Acronicta americana) for the caterpillar as
a starting point. I cant guarentee this, but it seems to be a match.
>
> ~windchill~
>
>
>
> --- In CrexMeadowsNatureLovers@yahoogroups.com, "Rick" <h.rick_luzula53@>
wrote:
> >
> > I've posted four photos in a new album titled "butterflies". They were not
taken at Crex, but at home west of Minneapolis. I would appreciate confirmation
or correction on the butterfly I.D.s, and any help on the larva.
> >
> > The first butterfly is tentatively identified as a gray comma. I got a good
look at the underwing to establish it was a comma. From the forewing dots I am
thinking gray comma.
> >
> > I think the swallowtail is a dark female eastern tiger swallowtail.
> >
> > The larva was 1.5 inches or more in length. Butterfly or moth? Species?
> >
> > Rick
> >
>





Thu Jul 2, 2009 1:25 am

wwblues
Offline Offline
Send Email Send Email

Forward
Message #736 of 919 |
Expand Messages Author Sort by Date

I've posted four photos in a new album titled "butterflies". They were not taken at Crex, but at home west of Minneapolis. I would appreciate confirmation or...
Rick
h.rick_luzula53
Offline Send Email
Jun 30, 2009
2:47 am

Hi Rick Commas give me trouble. Always. Yours does not have the shadow dot on the forewing, but the yellow dots on the hindwing do not go far enough. But the...
mn_windchill
Offline Send Email
Jun 30, 2009
11:54 am

Many thanks, windchill! I had a good look at the comma's underwing when I didn't have the camera. I don't recall seeing the "hooks" (look like serifs to me),...
Rick
h.rick_luzula53
Offline Send Email
Jun 30, 2009
10:58 pm

It has been a long time, so I can't tell from the front. It is either a question mark or a comma, but you would have to see the back of the wing to tell. Bill...
Bill
wwblues
Offline Send Email
Jul 2, 2009
1:26 am

Oh sure, you had to throw in the Question mark to further muck things up! :) It is vital for me (at this point in my self taught "what the heck is that"...
mn_windchill
Offline Send Email
Jul 3, 2009
12:41 pm

As stated earlier, I did get a good look at the underwing before going for the camera. I'm confident it was a comma, not a Question Mark. My recollection is...
Rick
h.rick_luzula53
Offline Send Email
Jul 3, 2009
9:11 pm

Hi Rick I am not sure Bill saw that part. I believe you have ID'd the butterfly correctly as a Gray. You saw the underside, we didnt. But I am glad Bill...
mn_windchill
Offline Send Email
Jul 3, 2009
10:40 pm

... Thanks for the heads-up windchill. I've been blissfully unaware all this time, but have now corrected the email invalidation (I hope!). Guess I'm more...
Rick
h.rick_luzula53
Offline Send Email
Jul 3, 2009
11:15 pm

... Hi, Rick. I agree, yours is a Comma. I managed to sneak up on a Comma in my back yard yesterday that had the "serifs" you were talking about, I think....
Bill
wwblues
Offline Send Email
Jul 7, 2009
3:21 am

... Bill, Those are some really nice photos you posted. Check out the proboscis in the fourth pic! It has been windchill's butterfly reports that have spurred...
Rick
h.rick_luzula53
Offline Send Email
Jul 7, 2009
3:57 am

Hi Rick This is the first I have heard of a forehead mark. I immediately flashed back to this may, after reading on wisconsinbutterflies.org, one of the ways...
mn_windchill
Offline Send Email
Jul 7, 2009
10:41 pm

... Forewing mark, not forehead mark. I read about this in the Kaufman guide, "Butterflies of North America". I can't reproduce their photo but can link to a...
Rick
h.rick_luzula53
Offline Send Email
Jul 8, 2009
12:00 am

Hi Rick OK Now I know what you mean. Whew. I really wasnt looking forward to comparing foreheads (along with nosehairs, hairylegs, etc). I call it the shadow...
mn_windchill
Offline Send Email
Jul 8, 2009
2:28 am

Thank you for this. As far as I am concerned this is the highest complement a person can give me....
mn_windchill
Offline Send Email
Jul 7, 2009
10:54 pm

Hi Bill Yours is a comma and yes those are the 'hooks' on the ends of the comma. Yes, the Question mark is named for that two part comma. Finally, outstanding...
mn_windchill
Offline Send Email
Jul 7, 2009
10:30 pm

... Bill's comma has the hooks on the underwing comma and shadow dots on the forewing, so it is an Eastern Comma, right? Rick...
Rick
h.rick_luzula53
Offline Send Email
Jul 8, 2009
12:09 am

... comma. ... the forewing, so it is an Eastern Comma, right? ... Maybe it a "Times" comma instead of an "Arial" comma. :-) Bill [Non-text portions of this...
Bill
wwblues
Offline Send Email
Jul 8, 2009
12:53 am

________________________________ From: Bill <wwblues2@...> To: CrexMeadowsNatureLovers@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 7, 2009 7:52:49 PM Subject:...
Agogo
agogomalawi
Offline Send Email
Jul 8, 2009
12:58 am

The "times comma" has been renamed. Its "Apostate Quotation Mark" Now stop that! People are trying to learn sumpfen here. ~windchill~...
mn_windchill
Offline Send Email
Jul 8, 2009
2:35 am

Yeppers! Eastern Comma. ~windchill~...
mn_windchill
Offline Send Email
Jul 8, 2009
2:31 am

... Thanks, 'chill. I'd never heard of one of those before. Just wish I could have gotten a shot of spread wings. Of course, when it did that, there was no...
Bill
wwblues
Offline Send Email
Jul 8, 2009
12:45 am
Advanced

Copyright © 2009 Yahoo! Inc. All rights reserved.
Privacy Policy - Terms of Service - Guidelines - Help