Elegant swimming pool, yummy food, spacious lobby and 24 x 7 service
hours charmed me to Wag. My pet's too happy to see the other members
around. I'd heard of Wag before but I wasn't motivated enough to try
it out. But this video helped me decide that my dog goes to Wag Hotels
& no more of kennels.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8247225061193926681&q=wag+hotels&total=4\
6&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=1

I am not a computer whiz but not illiterate either and I could not get
the free dog cookbook to download. When you follow the link it just
shows you the cookbook but no download link. Plus the ever present ebay
link. lol
Linda

Is there a moderator for this site, who is screening
this garbage?
DS

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> relationships? You
> can enjoy the crazy adult fun with the Older
> Woman/Man or Younger
> Man/Woman. As an Older Man, you can find your
> younger sweet or suger
> baby here, as an Older Woman, you can meet the
> younger man who adores
> you, as a Younger Man, you can enjoy the fun with
> the mature woman, as
> a Younger Woman, you can enjoy the fun with the
> steady man and find
> your sugar daddy. So everybody why not come here!!!
>
> http://www.freewebs.com/comeonage/index.htm
>
>


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can enjoy the crazy adult fun with the Older Woman/Man or Younger
Man/Woman. As an Older Man, you can find your younger sweet or suger
baby here, as an Older Woman, you can meet the younger man who adores
you, as a Younger Man, you can enjoy the fun with the mature woman, as
a Younger Woman, you can enjoy the fun with the steady man and find
your sugar daddy. So everybody why not come here!!!

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"Regular" veterinary care has lost it's effectiveness over the years,
and in some cases is causing illness in our pets.
The truth is that Veterinarians have STRONGLY discouraged pet owners
from treating their pets at home.
The entire Pet Health Industry has a vested interest in discrediting
alternative medicines which can safely, naturally and effectively allow
pet owners to care for their pets at home.
http://veterinaryglb.blogspot.com/#

Allergies are mainly  to  other things and not foods. She needs to have the
dog allergy tested.



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Inn
Rescue is about the good, the bad, the ugly , the old, the deaf, and the
blind.
Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter
and those who matter don't mind.
Those who can, do. Those who can't, bully.
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-----Original Message-----
From: Dog_Food_Recipes@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:Dog_Food_Recipes@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Melanie
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 12:59 PM
To: Dog_Food_Recipes@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Dog_Food_Recipes] vegetarian diet for dogs

anyone know of or had success with a vegetarian diet for their dog? I have a
client who is very interested. There dog has developed allergies
(unknown) this year and are on prescription diet from thier vet, but it is
not helping. I remember back when working as a vet. tech. a client had put
their irish setter on a vegetarian diet very successfuly.

any info or direction to links would be helpful.


thanks,

Melanie
Serengeti Dogs LLC
ABC certified trainer
Phoenix, Az




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Stickneys Toy Breed Retirement Sanctuary-Cortland, Nebraska - No Room at the
Inn
Rescue is about the good, the bad, the ugly , the old, the deaf, and the
blind.
Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter
and those who matter don't mind.
Those who can, do. Those who can't, bully.
Get your Doggy Crack here:  www.maryshouse.us/doggycrack.htm
Bully sticks and other natural chews:  http://www.maryshouse.us/Chews.htm
DO NOT forward, cross-post, or copy this post, without written permission!


-----Original Message-----
From: Dog_Food_Recipes@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:Dog_Food_Recipes@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Catherine Lane
Sent: Monday, May 14, 2007 6:16 AM
To: Dog_Food_Recipes@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Dog_Food_Recipes] Introduction

Hello all,

I just wanted to say a quick hello here as I have recently joined this group
out of interest in what people are cooking for dogs. I myself am a canine
nutritionist and I offer courses on Home Made Diet, although none are
available at this time, I do teach nutrition and I find that people are
always most interested in recipes.  I tend towards a gluten- free approach
to treats and I like to ensure any meal I serve on a regular basis is
properly balanced for the individual dog's dietary needs. SO I suppose I'm
here mainly to look at what others are doing; I have a very busy list myself
so I won't be able to post a lot, but just check in and read. Thanks for
having me and I hope no one here has been affected by the recall. The
repercussions of all this are enormous and so scary. Never a better time for
home made food!
Cat :)

www.thepossiblecanine.com
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ThePossibleCanine

Would you consider trying raw?

the meatloaf idea is great but there is a dog show raw recipe called majic meat balls

you make it with almost everything in 10's it can put 10  pounds on in a week!

i would also as your vet for periactin as it is what is used in people who have no appetie it is a antihistimine so it should be no problem but does require a scrip from your vet then get it filled at any drug store in fact just get 10 pills then get the rest later if you find it is working.

here is the majic meatballs recipe:

 

10 #'s hamburger

10 egg yolks

10 packs knox gelatin

1 box total cereal (CRUSH FIRST BEFORE MIXING)

1 large bottle black strap molasses

mix all togehter in a Very Large Container

roll in softball size balls then place one in a zippy bag then smoosh do this to all the meat feed at least 2 a day after meals.

then freeze all bags thaw as needed.

 

i have found cooked pasta with a bit of sauce is also good for adding weight.

i have also use my meat loaf:

hambuger

ground turkey

smashed veggies (your choice) i always try to use spinach

i add cooked rice

i try to do this with 10 pounds hamburger 5 pounds ground turkey as this will make lots.

i add some wostershire sauce tomatoes anthing for flavor.

this meat loaf takes 2 hours at 350 to bake.

when done i cool it and place it in dinner size portions then freeze.

you can also use can mackeral and eggs for a dinner too.

hope this may help

peaches

 

anyone know of or had success with a vegetarian diet for their dog? I
have a client who is very interested. There dog has developed allergies
(unknown) this year and are on prescription diet from thier vet, but it
is not helping. I remember back when working as a vet. tech. a client
had put their irish setter on a vegetarian diet very successfuly.

any info or direction to links would be helpful.


thanks,

Melanie
Serengeti Dogs LLC
ABC certified trainer
Phoenix, Az

I don't even trust Pedigree anymore.  I've gone completely homemade.
I use John Miller's book at
http://homemadehealthypetfood.com/homemade-dog-food-recipes


--- In Dog_Food_Recipes@yahoogroups.com, Shannon Dowling
<cheetahlover21@...> wrote:
>
>  WHO ARE YOU
>
> "How about you intro yourself and I will too." <breebrat1@...>
wrote:          Hi April,
>
> First, let me say how sorry I am to hear about what you and Vinnie
> have been going through. I understand how you feel firsthand,
> and "I'm sorry" is not enough to express to you how deeply I feel for
> you, because I know how hard it is to go through. I've lost one of
> mine to kidney failure and one to lymphoma. It's been 3 years since
> we lost one, and 2 years for the second, and I still fall to pieces
> talking about them. Hopefully, though, via my experiences with both
> things...the lymphoma and the kidney failure, I might have some
> helpful advice...I sure hope so! Please keep us posted, and know my
> prayers are with you both.
>
> I've been loving and working with dogs my whole life (age 8 to
> current age 41, anyway), and as a professional trainer, behaviorist,
> veterinary technician, and breeder nearly all of my adult life. My
> dogs are my FurKids, and I love them with my whole heart and soul,
> and hubby feels the same. It's pretty obvious that Vinnie is your
> FurKid too...I wish I could just wave a wand and make it all better
> for both of you. What you're going through is the toughest stuff
> I've ever gone through health-wise with any of my Kids in all of my
> years. With luck, you've caught it in time to buy time, and with
> love all things are possible...but that doesn't make the day to day
> troubles any less stressful, or some days just plain exhausting to go
> through trying to do all you can to be the best nurse your FurKid can
> have.
>
> We lost one of our boys, a 6 year old black Lab, Elliott, to Renal
> (kidney) Failure 2 yrs ago, after a fight of a year and a half...the
> appetite thing was a HUGE problem as the situation progressed. We
> also lost one of our girls a short time after, a lovely sweet girl,
> about aged 5 to Lymphoma. Delilah was an abused stray lab/greyhound
> mix that I rehabilitated after rescuing her...so at least we were
> able to give her 3 years of all the love and spoiling we could.
> Again, however, appetite/eating in general was really a problem, as
> things progressed to end-stage for her. For her, it was not slow. It
> literally just "showed up overnight", and she went downhill hard and
> fast. It sounds like Vinnie's a fighter, and that you were blessed
> to find out earlier than we did. Those are good things!
>
> In both of my Kids' situations, I fought hard for them, and tried and
> tried everything I could think of trying. I'm a sore loser when it
> comes to my Kids. So I began experimenting, and here is what
> worked...for a time...for each of them. As they got worse, they
> stopped eating period, and that was when I had to do what was right
> for them. Still, I bought quality time for them by fooling around in
> my kitchen until I got it "right". Food they'd eat, that stayed
> within dietary restrictions (kidney failure diets are VERY
> restricted, and I imagine you probably have learned about what not to
> let Vinnie have, but just in case you don't have a list from the vet,
> or you have any other questions, PLEASE feel to write privately or to
> the list, whichever works best for you, any time.
>
> With lymphoma, rapid weight loss is unavoidable. Lymphoma is
> painful, and that means no appetite, so you pretty much just give
> them anything they'll eat just to keep them eating and trying to put
> weight on them, but as you obviously know, the kidney failure means
> you can't do that with Vinnie. Here are the things that I used to
> help Elliott keep eating as long as possible and stay within the diet:
>
> We feed our "kennel" (They're all in the house...and the kennels are
> empty! They own us bigtime, and honestly, I wouldn't be happy any
> other way!) ProPlan Chicken and Rice formula, the amt indicated by
> weight on the bag...never go over that with a healthy dog, because
> even though it looks like it's a small amount, it's chock full of
> everything they need and there is little wasted in the digestion
> process, and we mix in two big tblspoons of Pedigree canned.
>
> GENERAL TIP TO ALL: Never feed any other canned food except
> Pedigree, because that is the ONLY canned dog food that is 100% MEAT
> with NO FILLERS. (no corn, no wheat, no nothing, just meat and dogs
> need some meat in their diet, not just pellets of processed food).
> You'll see a great improvement in coat...shining and healthy, and you
> will really notice an all-over improvement.
>
> Back to the topic at hand....Elliott really liked the Chicken, and
> the Chicken & Rice. I started by mixing half dry food, the KD food
> you spoke of in your post, and half canned, with some lukewarm water
> in it...made a kind of "stew". Eventually, because his kidney
> failure was not reversible, I had to start changing things, and when
> he wouldn't eat the KD anymore, it got to all canned.
>
> ANOTHER GENERAL TIP...it's always a good idea for all dog owners to
> keep a few cans of the chicken & rice in the pantry, for upset
> tummies or upset bowels. Bland diet in a can...back in my days of
> starting out bland diet meant boiling up the rice and cooking the
> chicken and making up a fresh batch for every meal. Thank you
> Pedigree! (And no, I don't work for them...I'd just been thinking for
> years how nice it would be to be able to pop the top on a can of
> bland instead of cooking it!)
>
> As Elliott got worse, he of course became more "finicky"...I put that
> in quotes because the truth is, they aren't being picky, they are
> simply not wanting to eat because of the toxins in their blood, that
> the kidneys no longer are filtering as they should be which causes
> uremic poisoning of the blood and that is a nightmare all on its
> own. Delilah got pickier as she got sicker, but as I said, I had no
> real dietary restrictions with her, so she was much easier to "figure
> out".
>
> So we went from all canned Chicken Chunks in Gravy, to all canned in
> with boiled chicken breast cut up in it. NO broth or stock, just
> boiled in UNsalted water...sodium is a huge no-no for renal failure.
> Dairy is also a huge no-no (that means milk, cheese, cottage cheese,
> butter, ice cream, all of it, even yogurt). Dairy products for a dog
> in renal failure, (or recovering from) are killers...they can cause
> all kinds of problems you don't want to have happening...I won't go
> into a bunch of veterinary mumbo jumbo here, so I'll put in layman's
> terms, which I much prefer myself anyway...salt/sodium and dairy
> cause serious problems particularly regarding Central Venous Pressure
> (aka blood pressure in humans), and/or very serious problems with
> delicate chemical balances within blood, which can lead to all sorts
> of other things...from seizures to coma to heart failure/attack and
> death.
>
> For Elliott, pretty soon it was less canned, more plain chicken and
> to give it a little flavor, a very wee bit of garlic powder (not
> garlic salt), mixed with Gerber (or whatever brand your store
> carries) chicken baby food in the little jars, and some rice.
> Eventually the babyfood was the only thing he'd eat, and that was
> very near the end for him.
>
> ***A note about the all meat pureed babyfood...it's an oldtime
> zoology trick used in rehabilitating a sick animal, and I've saved
> many a puppy and dog from certain death with it.***
>
> They BOTH ate better, no matter what it was, so long as I stayed with
> them and kept them interested by hand feeding. I mentioned how
> kidney failure causes uremic poisoning. Uremic poisoning affects
> the mind, just like humans who are experiencing kidney failure or a
> really severe infection, etc. They can become somewhat "delirious",
> as in easily confused, and easily distracted, as well as depressed.
> If they are having trouble with high blood pressure, it will make
> them restless and twitchy too. Nausea is the worst part of the
> battle...working closely with your vet on what the best medication
> for Vinnie is to combat the nausea and some of the other symptoms I
> mentioned, is the best way to go. If there is a specialist near you,
> or you are near a University with a veterinary college, that is also
> a good way to go. Elliott needed blood transfusions twice because of
> the severe anemia that kidney failure causes.
>
> Watch Vinnie's tongue...if he becomes anemic, it will suddenly turn
> very pale, even blue-ish, and can just as quickly it will also turn
> bright red. That's a sure sign that he's not making red blood cells
> correctly or not making enough. Dogs with severe kidney failure will
> even present a dark brownish spot on the end of their tongue. This
> will not correct itself, and you need to get a dog in that condition
> to a vet hospital that does transfusions, etc very quickly, but there
> are drugs to try and transfusions do help.
>
> Obviously the cancer is going to cause its own problems, and if you
> are treating him with chemo, he'll be nauseous and anemic from the
> chemo, so it could be a double whammy type situation.
>
> I am NOT trying to scare you or be the voice of doom and gloom...on
> the contrary, I've always believed that knowledge equals power, and
> the more you know to watch for, the better prepared you are. Like
> the old saying "If you take your umbrella with you, it will NOT rain."
>
> THE MOST IMPORTANT THING...along with making sure Vinnie is eating,
> (and with both Elliott and Delilah, eating meant, trying to get a
> bite or three down any chance I got, without bugging them constantly)
> is HYDRATION. He's got to drink drink drink. Flood those kidneys and
> force them to work as well as they can to filter the toxins from his
> system. IV's are a real help with this. If you are working with a
> vet who will teach you how to administer fluids subcutaneously or
> through a port that they will place in his leg for you, that will
> help tremendously if he gets to the point that he needs it. Keep a
> check on his urine...make sure that his output seems to be pretty
> equal to his intake, and I'd be checking his urine for color on a
> regular basis...so long as it's within a "normal" shade of yellow and
> not clear or anything else, you're in a good place with his kidneys.
> Yep, that means walking him on a leash and having a container ready
> to get the sample, but like I said, the more info you have coming in
> regarding any symptomology, the quicker you can jump on it, and treat
> it before it gets out of hand.
>
> I hope some of this helps. I know how hard all of this is. When I
> think about how hard it was on both of my FurKids separately, I
> cannot imagine what it's been like for Vinnie and for you. I think
> that the best piece of advice I can offer along with the above is the
> easiest thing for we dog lovers to do...love him. Spend as much time
> as you can with him, so he has the feeling of comfort and safety that
> comes from "pack", you, his family. That will make him feel better
> mentally on a daily basis than all the medicine and diets in the
> world.
>
> With All My Thoughts And Prayers,
>
> Lori
>
> --- In Dog_Food_Recipes@yahoogroups.com, "April" <april@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > We recently learned that my dog, Vinnie, most likely has lymphoma
> > cancer. We have started chemo treatment for him. But throughout
> the
> > past 2 weeks (total sum time of all tests and treatment so far), he
> > has lost 15 pounds. He is reacting well, and we hope, is stable.
> >
> > There is the possibility of him having kidney problems right now as
> > well, and the vet has given us prescription kibble and wet food
> that
> > is supposed to be really easy on his kidneys. Unfortunately,
> Vinnie
> > wont eat it. I was wondering if anyone knew of a recipe we could
> use
> > that could use the kibble (ground up into powder) so we can make it
> > more palatable for him. I had the thought that if we could make
> him
> > a meatloaf with his kibble, or something that can mask the fact
> that
> > he's eating his special food, he may eat it.
> >
> > If anyone has any advice, I'm open to hear it. We need to get the
> > weight back on him and I want to do it in a healthy and beneficial
> > way.
> >
> > Thanks for reading.
> >
> > April
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>

Hello all,

I just wanted to say a quick hello here as I have recently joined this
group out of interest in what people are cooking for dogs. I myself am
a canine nutritionist and I offer courses on Home Made Diet, although
none are available at this time, I do teach nutrition and I find that
people are always most interested in recipes.  I tend towards a gluten-
free approach to treats and I like to ensure any meal I serve on a
regular basis is properly balanced for the individual dog's dietary
needs. SO I suppose I'm here mainly to look at what others are doing;
I have a very busy list myself so I won't be able to post a lot, but
just check in and read. Thanks for having me and I hope no one here
has been affected by the recall. The repercussions of all this are
enormous and so scary. Never a better time for home made food!
Cat :)

www.thepossiblecanine.com
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ThePossibleCanine

Hi April,

First, let me say how sorry I am to hear about what you and Vinnie
have been going through. I understand how you feel firsthand,
and "I'm sorry" is not enough to express to you how deeply I feel for
you, because I know how hard it is to go through. I've lost one of
mine to kidney failure and one to lymphoma. It's been 3 years since
we lost one, and 2 years for the second, and I still fall to pieces
talking about them. Hopefully, though, via my experiences with both
things...the lymphoma and the kidney failure, I might have some
helpful advice...I sure hope so! Please keep us posted, and know my
prayers are with you both.

I've been loving and working with dogs my whole life (age 8 to
current age 41, anyway), and as a professional trainer, behaviorist,
veterinary technician, and breeder nearly all of my adult life. My
dogs are my FurKids, and I love them with my whole heart and soul,
and hubby feels the same. It's pretty obvious that Vinnie is your
FurKid too...I wish I could just wave a wand and make it all better
for both of you. What you're going through is the toughest stuff
I've ever gone through health-wise with any of my Kids in all of my
years. With luck, you've caught it in time to buy time, and with
love all things are possible...but that doesn't make the day to day
troubles any less stressful, or some days just plain exhausting to go
through trying to do all you can to be the best nurse your FurKid can
have.

We lost one of our boys, a 6 year old black Lab, Elliott, to Renal
(kidney) Failure 2 yrs ago, after a fight of a year and a half...the
appetite thing was a HUGE problem as the situation progressed. We
also lost one of our girls a short time after, a lovely sweet girl,
about aged 5 to Lymphoma. Delilah was an abused stray lab/greyhound
mix that I rehabilitated after rescuing her...so at least we were
able to give her 3 years of all the love and spoiling we could.
Again, however, appetite/eating in general was really a problem, as
things progressed to end-stage for her. For her, it was not slow. It
literally just "showed up overnight", and she went downhill hard and
fast. It sounds like Vinnie's a fighter, and that you were blessed
to find out earlier than we did. Those are good things!

In both of my Kids' situations, I fought hard for them, and tried and
tried everything I could think of trying. I'm a sore loser when it
comes to my Kids. So I began experimenting, and here is what
worked...for a time...for each of them. As they got worse, they
stopped eating period, and that was when I had to do what was right
for them. Still, I bought quality time for them by fooling around in
my kitchen until I got it "right". Food they'd eat, that stayed
within dietary restrictions (kidney failure diets are VERY
restricted, and I imagine you probably have learned about what not to
let Vinnie have, but just in case you don't have a list from the vet,
or you have any other questions, PLEASE feel to write privately or to
the list, whichever works best for you, any time.

With lymphoma, rapid weight loss is unavoidable. Lymphoma is
painful, and that means no appetite, so you pretty much just give
them anything they'll eat just to keep them eating and trying to put
weight on them, but as you obviously know, the kidney failure means
you can't do that with Vinnie. Here are the things that I used to
help Elliott keep eating as long as possible and stay within the diet:

We feed our "kennel" (They're all in the house...and the kennels are
empty! They own us bigtime, and honestly, I wouldn't be happy any
other way!) ProPlan Chicken and Rice formula, the amt indicated by
weight on the bag...never go over that with a healthy dog, because
even though it looks like it's a small amount, it's chock full of
everything they need and there is little wasted in the digestion
process, and we mix in two big tblspoons of Pedigree canned.

GENERAL TIP TO ALL: Never feed any other canned food except
Pedigree, because that is the ONLY canned dog food that is 100% MEAT
with NO FILLERS. (no corn, no wheat, no nothing, just meat and dogs
need some meat in their diet, not just pellets of processed food).
You'll see a great improvement in coat...shining and healthy, and you
will really notice an all-over improvement.

Back to the topic at hand....Elliott really liked the Chicken, and
the Chicken & Rice. I started by mixing half dry food, the KD food
you spoke of in your post, and half canned, with some lukewarm water
in it...made a kind of "stew". Eventually, because his kidney
failure was not reversible, I had to start changing things, and when
he wouldn't eat the KD anymore, it got to all canned.

ANOTHER GENERAL TIP...it's always a good idea for all dog owners to
keep a few cans of the chicken & rice in the pantry, for upset
tummies or upset bowels. Bland diet in a can...back in my days of
starting out bland diet meant boiling up the rice and cooking the
chicken and making up a fresh batch for every meal. Thank you
Pedigree! (And no, I don't work for them...I'd just been thinking for
years how nice it would be to be able to pop the top on a can of
bland instead of cooking it!)

As Elliott got worse, he of course became more "finicky"...I put that
in quotes because the truth is, they aren't being picky, they are
simply not wanting to eat because of the toxins in their blood, that
the kidneys no longer are filtering as they should be which causes
uremic poisoning of the blood and that is a nightmare all on its
own. Delilah got pickier as she got sicker, but as I said, I had no
real dietary restrictions with her, so she was much easier to "figure
out".

So we went from all canned Chicken Chunks in Gravy, to all canned in
with boiled chicken breast cut up in it. NO broth or stock, just
boiled in UNsalted water...sodium is a huge no-no for renal failure.
Dairy is also a huge no-no (that means milk, cheese, cottage cheese,
butter, ice cream, all of it, even yogurt). Dairy products for a dog
in renal failure, (or recovering from) are killers...they can cause
all kinds of problems you don't want to have happening...I won't go
into a bunch of veterinary mumbo jumbo here, so I'll put in layman's
terms, which I much prefer myself anyway...salt/sodium and dairy
cause serious problems particularly regarding Central Venous Pressure
(aka blood pressure in humans), and/or very serious problems with
delicate chemical balances within blood, which can lead to all sorts
of other things...from seizures to coma to heart failure/attack and
death.

For Elliott, pretty soon it was less canned, more plain chicken and
to give it a little flavor, a very wee bit of garlic powder (not
garlic salt), mixed with Gerber (or whatever brand your store
carries) chicken baby food in the little jars, and some rice.
Eventually the babyfood was the only thing he'd eat, and that was
very near the end for him.

***A note about the all meat pureed babyfood...it's an oldtime
zoology trick used in rehabilitating a sick animal, and I've saved
many a puppy and dog from certain death with it.***

They BOTH ate better, no matter what it was, so long as I stayed with
them and kept them interested by hand feeding. I mentioned how
kidney failure causes uremic poisoning. Uremic poisoning affects
the mind, just like humans who are experiencing kidney failure or a
really severe infection, etc. They can become somewhat "delirious",
as in easily confused, and easily distracted, as well as depressed.
If they are having trouble with high blood pressure, it will make
them restless and twitchy too. Nausea is the worst part of the
battle...working closely with your vet on what the best medication
for Vinnie is to combat the nausea and some of the other symptoms I
mentioned, is the best way to go. If there is a specialist near you,
or you are near a University with a veterinary college, that is also
a good way to go. Elliott needed blood transfusions twice because of
the severe anemia that kidney failure causes.

Watch Vinnie's tongue...if he becomes anemic, it will suddenly turn
very pale, even blue-ish, and can just as quickly it will also turn
bright red. That's a sure sign that he's not making red blood cells
correctly or not making enough. Dogs with severe kidney failure will
even present a dark brownish spot on the end of their tongue. This
will not correct itself, and you need to get a dog in that condition
to a vet hospital that does transfusions, etc very quickly, but there
are drugs to try and transfusions do help.

Obviously the cancer is going to cause its own problems, and if you
are treating him with chemo, he'll be nauseous and anemic from the
chemo, so it could be a double whammy type situation.

I am NOT trying to scare you or be the voice of doom and gloom...on
the contrary, I've always believed that knowledge equals power, and
the more you know to watch for, the better prepared you are. Like
the old saying "If you take your umbrella with you, it will NOT rain."

THE MOST IMPORTANT THING...along with making sure Vinnie is eating,
(and with both Elliott and Delilah, eating meant, trying to get a
bite or three down any chance I got, without bugging them constantly)
is HYDRATION. He's got to drink drink drink. Flood those kidneys and
force them to work as well as they can to filter the toxins from his
system. IV's are a real help with this. If you are working with a
vet who will teach you how to administer fluids subcutaneously or
through a port that they will place in his leg for you, that will
help tremendously if he gets to the point that he needs it. Keep a
check on his urine...make sure that his output seems to be pretty
equal to his intake, and I'd be checking his urine for color on a
regular basis...so long as it's within a "normal" shade of yellow and
not clear or anything else, you're in a good place with his kidneys.
Yep, that means walking him on a leash and having a container ready
to get the sample, but like I said, the more info you have coming in
regarding any symptomology, the quicker you can jump on it, and treat
it before it gets out of hand.

I hope some of this helps. I know how hard all of this is. When I
think about how hard it was on both of my FurKids separately, I
cannot imagine what it's been like for Vinnie and for you. I think
that the best piece of advice I can offer along with the above is the
easiest thing for we dog lovers to do...love him. Spend as much time
as you can with him, so he has the feeling of comfort and safety that
comes from "pack", you, his family. That will make him feel better
mentally on a daily basis than all the medicine and diets in the
world.

With All My Thoughts And Prayers,

Lori

--- In Dog_Food_Recipes@yahoogroups.com, "April" <april@...> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> We recently learned that my dog, Vinnie, most likely has lymphoma
> cancer. We have started chemo treatment for him. But throughout
the
> past 2 weeks (total sum time of all tests and treatment so far), he
> has lost 15 pounds. He is reacting well, and we hope, is stable.
>
> There is the possibility of him having kidney problems right now as
> well, and the vet has given us prescription kibble and wet food
that
> is supposed to be really easy on his kidneys. Unfortunately,
Vinnie
> wont eat it. I was wondering if anyone knew of a recipe we could
use
> that could use the kibble (ground up into powder) so we can make it
> more palatable for him. I had the thought that if we could make
him
> a meatloaf with his kibble, or something that can mask the fact
that
> he's eating his special food, he may eat it.
>
> If anyone has any advice, I'm open to hear it. We need to get the
> weight back on him and I want to do it in a healthy and beneficial
> way.
>
> Thanks for reading.
>
> April
>

Lori,

Thank you tremendously for all the information. Unfortunately,
Vinnie passed away on Sunday morning.

Saturday after we had administered his IV fluids (yes, the vet
showed us how to use it and inject the fluids in his scruff) we
noticed that the fluid drained from his shoulders to his knees and
legs. We were told it could happen, so didn't worry about it.
Later that day, we realixed that the "liquid" wasn't being absorbed.
Or at least what we thought was the liquid. Vinnie declined really
really fast. he stopped eating everything, and even stopped putting
his weight on one front leg. We noticed that the leg from shoulder
to paw pads was completely swollen. We took him to our regular vet
earlier in the day (before the sever swelling) and the vet actually
had good news for us. Vinnie's calcium was normal, and his kidney
levels were almost back to normal. He was on the mend. After that
appt though, things went south very rapidly. Ssturday night, we
took Vinnie to the ER vet clinic in town. They said he was in pain,
and administered a pain killer. He immediately went to sleep. They
kept him overnight, and after they did a check on him (at almost 6
am), he took a breath and let go. We got the news on Sunday morning
as they were trying to revive him. We let him go as he needed.
It's broken our hearts, but we are very happy that he isn't in pain
anymore or in a fight for his life. He was such a wonderful dog.
Unfortunatley, we don't know why he died. We're hopiing that our
regular vet can get more definitive answers from the ER vet and
explain it in layman's terms to us.

Thank you again for all the advice and information. You've given me
great information that I can use to help keep my other pup healthy
and happy. He has Epilepsy, and I think this can still work for him
too.

April

If anybody has a no bake treat recipe that would be great. Also, has
anyone else had trouble downloading the free e-book?

Lori,

Thank you tremendously for all the information.  Unfortunately,
Vinnie passed away on Sunday morning.

Saturday after we had administered his IV fluids (yes, the vet
showed us how to use it and inject the fluids in his scruff) we
noticed that the fluid drained from his shoulders to his knees and
legs.  We were told it could happen, so didn't worry about it.
Later that day, we realixed that the "liquid" wasn't being absorbed.
Or at least what we thought was the liquid.  Vinnie declined really
really fast.  he stopped eating everything, and even stopped putting
his weight on one front leg.  We noticed that the leg from shoulder
to paw pads was completely swollen.  We took him to our regular vet
earlier in the day (before the sever swelling) and the vet actually
had good news for us.  Vinnie's calcium was normal, and his kidney
levels were almost back to normal.  He was on the mend.  After that
appt though, things went south very rapidly.  Ssturday night, we
took Vinnie to the ER vet clinic in town.  They said he was in pain,
and administered a pain killer.  He immediately went to sleep.  They
kept him overnight, and after they did a check on him (at almost 6
am), he took a breath and let go.  We got the news on Sunday morning
as they were trying to revive him.  We let him go as he needed.
It's broken our hearts, but we are very happy that he isn't in pain
anymore or in a fight for his life.  He was such a wonderful dog.
Unfortunatley, we don't know why he died.  We're hopiing that our
regular vet can get more definitive answers from the ER vet and
explain it in layman's terms to us.

Thank you again for all the advice and information.  You've given me
great information that I can use to help keep my other pup healthy
and happy.  He has Epilepsy, and I think this can still work for him
too.

April

Hi April,

First, let me say how sorry I am to hear about what you and Vinnie
have been going through.  I understand how you feel firsthand,
and "I'm sorry" is not enough to express to you how deeply I feel for
you, because I know how hard it is to go through.  I've lost one of
mine to kidney failure and one to lymphoma.  It's been 3 years since
we lost one, and 2 years for the second, and I still fall to pieces
talking about them. Hopefully, though, via my experiences with both
things...the lymphoma and the kidney failure, I might have some
helpful advice...I sure hope so!  Please keep us posted, and know my
prayers are with you both.

I've been loving and working with dogs my whole life (age 8 to
current age 41, anyway), and as a professional trainer, behaviorist,
veterinary technician, and breeder nearly all of my adult life.  My
dogs are my FurKids, and I love them with my whole heart and soul,
and hubby feels the same.  It's pretty obvious that Vinnie is your
FurKid too...I wish I could just wave a wand and make it all better
for both of you.  What you're going through is the toughest stuff
I've ever gone through health-wise with any of my Kids in all of my
years.  With luck, you've caught it in time to buy time, and with
love all things are possible...but that doesn't make the day to day
troubles any less stressful, or some days just plain exhausting to go
through trying to do all you can to be the best nurse your FurKid can
have.

We lost one of our boys, a 6 year old black Lab, Elliott, to Renal
(kidney) Failure 2 yrs ago, after a fight of a year and a half...the
appetite thing was a HUGE problem as the situation progressed.  We
also lost one of our girls a short time after, a lovely sweet girl,
about aged 5 to Lymphoma.  Delilah was an abused stray lab/greyhound
mix that I rehabilitated after rescuing her...so at least we were
able to give her 3 years of all the love and spoiling we could.
Again, however, appetite/eating in general was really a problem, as
things progressed to end-stage for her. For her, it was not slow.  It
literally just "showed up overnight", and she went downhill hard and
fast.  It sounds like Vinnie's a fighter, and that you were blessed
to find out earlier than we did.  Those are good things!

In both of my Kids' situations, I fought hard for them, and tried and
tried everything I could think of trying.  I'm a sore loser when it
comes to my Kids.  So I began experimenting, and here is what
worked...for a time...for each of them.  As they got worse, they
stopped eating period, and that was when I had to do what was right
for them.  Still, I bought quality time for them by fooling around in
my kitchen until I got it "right".  Food they'd eat, that stayed
within dietary restrictions (kidney failure diets are VERY
restricted, and I imagine you probably have learned about what not to
let Vinnie have, but just in case you don't have a list from the vet,
or you have any other questions, PLEASE feel to write privately or to
the list, whichever works best for you, any time.

With lymphoma, rapid weight loss is unavoidable.  Lymphoma is
painful, and that means no appetite, so you pretty much just give
them anything they'll eat just to keep them eating and trying to put
weight on them, but as you obviously know, the kidney failure means
you can't do that with Vinnie.  Here are the things that I used to
help Elliott keep eating as long as possible and stay within the diet:

We feed our "kennel" (They're all in the house...and the kennels are
empty! They own us bigtime, and honestly, I wouldn't be happy any
other way!) ProPlan Chicken and Rice formula, the amt indicated by
weight on the bag...never go over that with a healthy dog, because
even though it looks like it's a small amount, it's chock full of
everything they need and there is little wasted in the digestion
process, and we mix in two big tblspoons of Pedigree canned.

GENERAL TIP TO ALL:  Never feed any other canned food except
Pedigree, because that is the ONLY canned dog food that is 100% MEAT
with NO FILLERS.  (no corn, no wheat, no nothing, just meat and dogs
need some meat in their diet, not just pellets of processed food).
You'll see a great improvement in coat...shining and healthy, and you
will really notice an all-over improvement.

Back to the topic at hand....Elliott really liked the Chicken, and
the Chicken & Rice.  I started by mixing half dry food, the KD food
you spoke of in your post, and half canned, with some lukewarm water
in it...made a kind of "stew".  Eventually, because his kidney
failure was not reversible, I had to start changing things, and when
he wouldn't eat the KD anymore, it got to all canned.

ANOTHER GENERAL TIP...it's always a good idea for all dog owners to
keep a few cans of the chicken & rice in the pantry, for upset
tummies or upset bowels.  Bland diet in a can...back in my days of
starting out bland diet meant boiling up the rice and cooking the
chicken and making up a fresh batch for every meal.  Thank you
Pedigree! (And no, I don't work for them...I'd just been thinking for
years how nice it would be to be able to pop the top on a can of
bland instead of cooking it!)

As Elliott got worse, he of course became more "finicky"...I put that
in quotes because the truth is, they aren't being picky, they are
simply not wanting to eat because of the toxins in their blood, that
the kidneys no longer are filtering as they should be which causes
uremic poisoning of the blood and that is a nightmare all on its
own.  Delilah got pickier as she got sicker, but as I said, I had no
real dietary restrictions with her, so she was much easier to "figure
out".

So we went from all canned Chicken Chunks in Gravy, to all canned in
with boiled chicken breast cut up in it.  NO broth or stock, just
boiled in UNsalted water...sodium is a huge no-no for renal failure.
Dairy is also a huge no-no (that means milk, cheese, cottage cheese,
butter, ice cream, all of it, even yogurt).  Dairy products for a dog
in renal failure, (or recovering from) are killers...they can cause
all kinds of problems you don't want to have happening...I won't go
into a bunch of veterinary mumbo jumbo here, so I'll put in layman's
terms, which I much prefer myself anyway...salt/sodium and dairy
cause serious problems particularly regarding Central Venous Pressure
(aka blood pressure in humans), and/or very serious problems with
delicate chemical balances within blood, which can lead to all sorts
of other things...from seizures to coma to heart failure/attack and
death.

For Elliott, pretty soon it was less canned, more plain chicken and
to give it a little flavor, a very wee bit of garlic powder (not
garlic salt), mixed with Gerber (or whatever brand your store
carries) chicken baby food in the little jars, and some rice.
Eventually the babyfood was the only thing he'd eat, and that was
very near the end for him.

***A note about the all meat pureed babyfood...it's an oldtime
zoology trick used in rehabilitating a sick animal, and I've saved
many a puppy and dog from certain death with it.***

They BOTH ate better, no matter what it was, so long as I stayed with
them and kept them interested by hand feeding.  I mentioned how
kidney failure causes uremic poisoning.  Uremic poisoning affects
the mind, just like humans who are experiencing kidney failure or a
really severe infection, etc.  They can become somewhat "delirious",
as in easily confused, and easily distracted, as well as depressed.
If they are having trouble with high blood pressure, it will make
them restless and twitchy too.  Nausea is the worst part of the
battle...working closely with your vet on what the best medication
for Vinnie is to combat the nausea and some of the other symptoms I
mentioned, is the best way to go.  If there is a specialist near you,
or you are near a University with a veterinary college, that is also
a good way to go. Elliott needed blood transfusions twice because of
the severe anemia that kidney failure causes.

Watch Vinnie's tongue...if he becomes anemic, it will suddenly turn
very pale, even blue-ish, and can just as quickly it will also turn
bright red.  That's a sure sign that he's not making red blood cells
correctly or not making enough. Dogs with severe kidney failure will
even present a dark brownish spot on the end of their tongue. This
will not correct itself, and you need to get a dog in that condition
to a vet hospital that does transfusions, etc very quickly, but there
are drugs to try and transfusions do help.

Obviously the cancer is going to cause its own problems, and if you
are treating him with chemo, he'll be nauseous and anemic from the
chemo, so it could be a double whammy type situation.

I am NOT trying to scare you or be the voice of doom and gloom...on
the contrary, I've always believed that knowledge equals power, and
the more you know to watch for, the better prepared you are.  Like
the old saying "If you take your umbrella with you, it will NOT rain."

THE MOST IMPORTANT THING...along with making sure Vinnie is eating,
(and with both Elliott and Delilah, eating meant, trying to get a
bite or three down any chance I got, without bugging them constantly)
is HYDRATION.  He's got to drink drink drink. Flood those kidneys and
force them to work as well as they can to filter the toxins from his
system. IV's are a real help with this.  If you are working with a
vet who will teach you how to administer fluids subcutaneously or
through a port that they will place in his leg for you, that will
help tremendously if he gets to the point that he needs it.  Keep a
check on his urine...make sure that his output seems to be pretty
equal to his intake, and I'd be checking his urine for color on a
regular basis...so long as it's within a "normal" shade of yellow and
not clear or anything else, you're in a good place with his kidneys.
Yep, that means walking him on a leash and having a container ready
to get the sample, but like I said, the more info you have coming in
regarding any symptomology, the quicker you can jump on it, and treat
it before it gets out of hand.

I hope some of this helps.  I know how hard all of this is.  When I
think about how hard it was on both of my FurKids separately, I
cannot imagine what it's been like for Vinnie and for you.  I think
that the best piece of advice I can offer along with the above is the
easiest thing for we dog lovers to do...love him.  Spend as much time
as you can with him, so he has the feeling of comfort and safety that
comes from "pack", you, his family. That will make him feel better
mentally on a daily basis than all the medicine and diets in the
world.

With All My Thoughts And Prayers,

Lori





--- In Dog_Food_Recipes@yahoogroups.com, "April" <april@...> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> We recently learned that my dog, Vinnie, most likely has lymphoma
> cancer.  We have started chemo treatment for him.  But throughout
the
> past 2 weeks (total sum time of all tests and treatment so far), he
> has lost 15 pounds.  He is reacting well, and we hope, is stable.
>
> There is the possibility of him having kidney problems right now as
> well, and the vet has given us prescription kibble and wet food
that
> is supposed to be really easy on his kidneys.  Unfortunately,
Vinnie
> wont eat it.  I was wondering if anyone knew of a recipe we could
use
> that could use the kibble (ground up into powder) so we can make it
> more palatable for him.  I had the thought that if we could make
him
> a meatloaf with his kibble, or something that can mask the fact
that
> he's eating his special food, he may eat it.
>
> If anyone has any advice, I'm open to hear it.  We need to get the
> weight back on him and I want to do it in a healthy and beneficial
> way.
>
> Thanks for reading.
>
> April
>

Hi all,

We recently learned that my dog, Vinnie, most likely has lymphoma
cancer. We have started chemo treatment for him. But throughout the
past 2 weeks (total sum time of all tests and treatment so far), he
has lost 15 pounds. He is reacting well, and we hope, is stable.

There is the possibility of him having kidney problems right now as
well, and the vet has given us prescription kibble and wet food that
is supposed to be really easy on his kidneys. Unfortunately, Vinnie
wont eat it. I was wondering if anyone knew of a recipe we could use
that could use the kibble (ground up into powder) so we can make it
more palatable for him. I had the thought that if we could make him
a meatloaf with his kibble, or something that can mask the fact that
he's eating his special food, he may eat it.

If anyone has any advice, I'm open to hear it. We need to get the
weight back on him and I want to do it in a healthy and beneficial
way.

Thanks for reading.

April

--- In Dog_Food_Recipes@yahoogroups.com, "April" <april@...> wrote:
>

> that could use the kibble (ground up into powder) so we can make it
> more palatable for him.  I had the thought that if we could make him
> a meatloaf with his kibble, or something that can mask the fact that
> he's eating his special food, he may eat it.
>
There was a recall on Scince diet i belive and would you consider doing
this without kibble or can food?
there are many ways to make him food that i feel he will ea that would
work and if this is not an option for you i do think there are foods
that you could use that are safer.
just a thought
regards peaches

Hi all,

We recently learned that my dog, Vinnie, most likely has lymphoma
cancer.  We have started chemo treatment for him.  But throughout the
past 2 weeks (total sum time of all tests and treatment so far), he
has lost 15 pounds.  He is reacting well, and we hope, is stable.

There is the possibility of him having kidney problems right now as
well, and the vet has given us prescription kibble and wet food that
is supposed to be really easy on his kidneys.  Unfortunately, Vinnie
wont eat it.  I was wondering if anyone knew of a recipe we could use
that could use the kibble (ground up into powder) so we can make it
more palatable for him.  I had the thought that if we could make him
a meatloaf with his kibble, or something that can mask the fact that
he's eating his special food, he may eat it.

If anyone has any advice, I'm open to hear it.  We need to get the
weight back on him and I want to do it in a healthy and beneficial
way.

Thanks for reading.

April

Tony
Nottingham
England

23 March 2007

TO: All People Who Care

I  am  a  private individual  posting  this message  to help
Laboratory Animals and  us all.  I apologize if  this seems
out of place  in  this group but I  think  you need  to  know
this.

A   new   European   Chemical   Testing    Policy    called
REACH  has  now   been   finalised   by    the   European
Union.  Under  these  proposals   Chemicals    of    every
kind   - from  those  used  in  industrial  processes to  the
ingredients  of  consumer products  - will   be   tested  on
Millions of  animals from  mice  to  fish  to  dogs, causing
untold suffering.

Still worse,  because of  this reliance on outdated  animal
techniques, reliable  and  relevant  information will not be
provided and our safety will not be assured.

If  you  believe  that  REACH  should make  more  use  of
Alternative  Testing   to   test  1000s  of   Chemicals   that
have  been   in   general   use  since   before  1985   then
please  take  action  now.

If  you are  a  European citizen  please  contact your local
papers  and   own   MEP  asking   them   to  promote   the
development  of  humane   non-animal  testing    methods
under  the  REACH  legislation,  which  is  the  best   hope
we  have  for   sparing  animals  the  misery   of  a  testing
laboratory.

A  sample   letter  can  be found at the BUAV (British
Union for the Abolition of Vivisection) website at
www.BUAV.org  (Select Campaigns,  Chemical Testing,
Get Active then Writing to the local press).

For   all  Non-European   members,  you   can  still   help.
Please  tell  all  your  colleagues  and  friends in  the  UK
and  Europe  about  REACH.   Write  to  your  own  local
papers  to  try  and inform  others  about   what  is  going
on in Europe.

The website for the European Parliament is
http://www.europarl.europa.eu.
A search on "REACH" here will provide more information.

Everyone can help and you can make  a  difference.

Thank You

Most pet owners have no idea how to perform CPR, or even begin to give
basic medical care to their pet. But you should know these things,
because in some emergencies, you can't always get to the Vet in time.
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