Those hawks arround scares me!
It probably scares Manzi too. He would be more confortable if he was
confident on his skills, which he isn't.
Your experiences are being to stressfull for both of you, and might be
building a not so positive history. You should consider changing many
things, if you want to train him for flight.
A bad flyer might get the hawks attention, they know which are the easy
preys...

Décio

On Sun, Jul 5, 2009 at 2:15 PM, Décio Lopes <deciolopes01@...> wrote:

> Hi Adele,
>
> Your bird needs just to learn how to fly. So he needs the space and time
> for that.
> And you need confidence and patience to that. I know it's not easy, I also
> quit training my Grey outside, because I was not prepared for so much
> emotions every time. Tomé also improved the recall and contact calls... but
> he also misses the skills.
> I would also take him to visit Chris and Susan if I was nearer.
> Routine and everyday flying outside will make him become better and better,
> but you must try to build his confidence, trying to keep the training
> controlled. Waitting for something to make him fly isn't the best approach
> right now. Your bird will do that later when you both are confident enough
> that anytime he his spooked he will fly to you. But he needs to learn to fly
> first...
> Inca learned from baby, so her skills arise very fast. But just now she is
> mastering trees... and she is doing it great... you should start from the
> flight itself, that will make him a safer flyer, he will build his
> confidence flying. A bird that is not confortable flying will never be
> confident enough outside. Flying is how they can evade from anything, they
> must know they can do it with no problem, and getting back to the safe spot,
> You. Manzi is learning a safe history about trees, I believe he will
> continue repeating this behaviour while there is a safe tree to land.
> Nothing is wrong with this, but he should get the skills to land on you
> whenever he wants, and that would short any recovery to the first recall.
> It's not easy to change a plan when the bird already has some history with
> him. Probably if you go to open field, he will search for a tree... again.
> You must control the training sessions, try to end in a positive way, with
> short recalls. Get him inside without tree time. I think you could place
> somekind of a small tree in your house and provide Manzi that pleasure
> inside. I would focus on getting controlled recall sessions outside and
> trying to end before a fly off (not easy, I know...) Improve the distance
> each day, but don't push to much or you will have a fly off ending on a
> tree... avoid this. It's not easy to find the right moment to stop, but you
> must find:) Also, you should improve the time each sessio, if you find that
> Manzi is wealing to participate. Short distances and periods on the first
> day, start next day few steps down where you ended previously and improve a
> litle bitte in distance and time. End with a good recall. Next day, do the
> something...
>
> If you have the chance, go to Chris and Susan's ranch.
>
> Décio
>
> On Sun, Jul 5, 2009 at 6:10 AM, susanhilliard <susanhilliard@...
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Hi Adele,
>>
>> I think you had a really tough day with Manzi, with the hawks, then
>> the train, then trying to locate him, and watching him try to fly to
>> you and miss over and over, and the overnighter. It is physically and
>> emotionally tiring to try to recover them and you had a string of
>> tense situations for a very long time. It would have been
>> discouraging to me too, but it probably isn't a true gauge of whether
>> you should keep flying outside. Have a good rest, digest what people
>> advise you, then you can make a decision. Is there any way you can
>> bring Manzi out here and let us help you work on his skills? To be in
>> like minded company and be able to discuss every aspect of what's
>> going on might make a difference. That kind of immersion helps me.
>> Call Chris or me if you'd like to talk about it. His cell is
>> 206-618-2610 and mine is 206-724-3394.
>>
>> I want to recognize that you taught Manzi to contact call with you and
>> it WORKED to locate him, at least the first time he was out of sight.
>> Good for you to size up a situation you didn't like previously and do
>> the training to avoid it the next time. If you keep doing this with
>> your outside flying issues, you'll work them all out.
>>
>> Susan
>>
>>
>
>


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