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Re: [Freeflight] Re: Thinking of quitting


On Jul 5, 2009, at 10:25 AM, adele_deleon wrote:

> Maybe I should have a new plan that consists of point A to B flights
> and indoor recalls. Since he has not done very many of those, I
> think I will start with only doing 3 at a time and keep the distance
> to 10-15 feet. Before he ever broke any flight feathers he was doing
> quite a few A to B flights up to 50 or 75 feet. The only problem is
> at those longer distances he would miss more than half and either
> circle around or land low in a tree and then fly down.

This is ok. But you need to stay at these distances or less until he
masters the skills involved. He should be able to fly this distance
and make his landings every time before you move on to a longer
distance. Sometimes missing a landing and circling back is just part
of the process of how the bird will learn. Sometimes they do it on
purpose as their confidence builds and they seem to feel like "I can
do that but think I won't this time. I want to do a circle first."
This lets them expand their skills at a pace they feel comfortable
with. Flying point to point (A to B) is a little different then flying
freestyle (boomerang) flights. Making a landing from point to point
flights is fairly controlled, always same direction of approach,
heights are usually the same, and speeds are usually slower. Making a
landing from freestyle flights are less controlled, approach from
various angles, different heights, and different speeds. When you
practice point to point flights and change the locations a bit, you
are altering one or more of those variables so the bird has to adapt
on a controlled basis. It is not just distance that you need to
increase, but also you need to have him fly to and from the perch from
different directions. Once the bird chooses to circle around in a big
arc, all the variables are changed at once and this can be a bit
challenging for the first several times. This is where being a
competent indoor flyer first as well as your varied point to point
flights from different distances and different directions really helps
get him ready for all these variations at once.

> I was probably pushing the distance too quickly (we went from 10 to
> 75 feet within about 5 days). I'll go much more slowly and maybe
> keep these very close flights for a week or so while building up to
> doing more than three. How does that plan sound? Any recommendations?

It sounds like you have the right idea. Your job is to keep him right
at the inside edge of his comfort zone. You want him flying at
distances he can handle. When you expand the distances or change
directions to the perch, it should be done with the expectation that
he can handle this change every time. If he feels he wants more
challenge, he will alter the flight on his own. And that is ok.

> I feel like I am always making new plans, but they don't always work
> or I am not carrying them out correctly!

The plans are not what is important here. It is ok to abandon a plan
and switch to a new plan any time you have new information that
suggests a new plan is needed. In some ways, flight training really is
a winging it process. We are constantly upgrading our "plans" and
adjusting what we are doing based on feedback from the birds behavior.
No two birds will go through the exact same process. Each will require
a little different plan adapted to their particular responses.

Parrots: more than pets, friends for life.

Chris Biro
chrisbiro@...
(206) 618-2610
www.wingsatliberty.com






Sun Jul 5, 2009 5:02 pm

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When I couldn't find Manzi for a bit of time while he was out, I got very scared and began to think it is not worth it. But, once he came back to me I felt...
adele_deleon
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Jul 5, 2009
4:25 pm

... This is ok. But you need to stay at these distances or less until he masters the skills involved. He should be able to fly this distance and make his...
Chris Biro
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Jul 5, 2009
5:03 pm

Chris, thanks for the feedback. I'll start this afternoon and post updates as we progress. Adele...
adele_deleon
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Jul 5, 2009
5:18 pm

Today was quite windy (15 mph) but we went ahead with the short flights. I asked Manzi to do 10 foot flights. After 4 flights he was still very eager so I...
adele_deleon
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Jul 6, 2009
5:24 am

... flights. [...] If I do them back to back Manzi might lose interest. He is much more driven while outside, so maybe I should do an earlier indoor training ...
chomperflybaby
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Jul 6, 2009
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Hi adele, Yes, I think you are doing it ok. Short and positive, allways keeping motivation high. You must be the one to tell if your bird needs indoor recalls...
Décio Lopes
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Jul 6, 2009
10:40 am

... Chris mentioned that Manzi's problem is not indoor recall or his desire to come to me, but that it is flight skills. He is an expert at flying inside and...
adele_deleon
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Jul 6, 2009
2:46 pm

"Chris mentioned that Manzi's problem is not indoor recall or his desire to come to me, but that it is flight skills. He is an expert at flying inside and can...
Décio Lopes
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Jul 6, 2009
2:52 pm

Yesterday Manzi did very well with indoor and outdoor recall training, but he wanted to play very badly. After training I let him in it for a few minutes, but...
adele_deleon
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Jul 7, 2009
9:58 pm

... I guess I did not make this part clear enough. You need to search out a location that is wide open space with no trees within 1/4 mile or more. A farmers...
Chris Biro
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Jul 7, 2009
10:14 pm

... Thanks for the clarification. How long does it take to get a parrot used to a new place before I can let him fly (show him the place for a few days before...
adele_deleon
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Jul 7, 2009
10:22 pm

"Thanks for the clarification. How long does it take to get a parrot used to a new place before I can let him fly (show him the place for a few days before...
Décio Lopes
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Jul 7, 2009
10:36 pm

... This all depends on the reaction of the bird. Watch the bird. You are looking for a fairly calm animal, not a spooky or irritated animal. It is ok if it...
Chris Biro
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Jul 8, 2009
12:44 am

Manzi did a fly-down attempt, but bailed out at the last minute. I'm not sure why since he wasn't going very fast and looked like he could have landed. Maybe...
adele_deleon
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Jul 8, 2009
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Manzi is already back inside. I am now thinking maybe this wasn't such a bad idea. The first tree wasn't so good because Manzi was eating fruit the whole time....
adele_deleon
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Jul 8, 2009
2:18 am

... Again, i am trying to learn from this so we can maybe freefly our grey. I have been carefully reading everyone's analysis, and i thought i understood the...
chomperflybaby
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Jul 8, 2009
2:42 pm

... CB, you're right the advice was to not leave him up in a tree. That was not my intention either, but when he is 40 feet up there is not much I can do to...
adele_deleon
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Jul 8, 2009
2:51 pm

... what was advised. ... was not my intention either, but when he is 40 feet up there is not much I can do to get him down if Manzi doesn't want to fly down....
chomperflybaby
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Jul 8, 2009
3:44 pm

... It was just an idea, not that I am definitely going to do that. Just after yesterday, he flew down much faster and with way more control. Also, he had...
adele_deleon
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Jul 8, 2009
4:07 pm

Thanks to cb for asking... I had the same thoughts... I knew this behaviour will continue, and it will, and will get stronger. Now, you have two choices,...
Décio Lopes
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Jul 8, 2009
4:09 pm

I still need to scout out a field. I will let you know when I found one. Hopefully it will be soon. Adele...
adele_deleon
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Jul 8, 2009
4:22 pm

Basil nd Lena two untame orange winged Amazons have been here as rehomes in the aviary for 14 months. They have their own flight which is open to the main...
Dot Schwarz
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Jul 8, 2009
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... This is interesting, Dot. The "keep away" being the unique part. It would seem to be a not-automatic or not-too-comfortable action by those trying to...
chomperflybaby
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Jul 8, 2009
4:03 pm

Excelent Dot! Fabulous. Will you continue to do this? Décio ... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]...
Décio Lopes
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Jul 8, 2009
4:12 pm

I hope not. MY nerves would not stand it. Dot ... From: Décio Lopes To: Freeflight@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2009 5:12 PM Subject: Re:...
Dot Schwarz
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Jul 8, 2009
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... It seams to work very well... Décio ... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]...
Décio Lopes
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Jul 8, 2009
5:04 pm

About the Raptors in the area We have both Red Tail Hawks and Great Horn Owls. The Hawk was curious about Tom and seemed to spend some time checking out the...
Linda Hartwig
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Jul 8, 2009
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Thank you for posting this. Seams they are very happy birds with you. I'm sorry if my post didn't sound as it should. And I hope Tom recovers very fast. But...
Décio Lopes
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Jul 8, 2009
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... I suspect he would become a much more confident bird who would learn to fly down eagerly in the evening if he were to do this even a few days more. I am...
Chris Biro
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