Susanne,
My point was that since the barred tail with body spots and barring is seen on non white cockatoo females, it stands to reason that the speckling on your hens is a form of sexual dimorphism too. And since a cockatiel has successfully hybridized with a cockatoo I am not comparing apples to oranges so to speak. I would wonder why all cockatiel hens don't have the chest spots. Maybe some are just more "primative" than others.
Scott
To: Genetics-Psittacine@yahoogroups.com
From: sr_tiels@...
Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 15:53:08 -0700
Subject: Re: [Genetics-Psittacine] Re: Odd markings - more feather pictures
Scott... CRAP!!!!!...all I want to know is in regards to the original topic. AND...if it is too much to ask...has the spots on been seen or are commonplace on wild tielss...NOT hybrids or freaks in your photo.
Susanne Russo, Ft. Lauderdale Florida, USA
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From: Gene Hall <hisbirds@sierratel.com>
To: Genetics-Psittacine@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, July 3, 2009 6:38:14 PM
Subject: Re: [Genetics-Psittacine] Re: Odd markings - more feather pictures
My point was that since the barred tail with body spots and barring is seen on non white cockatoo females, it stands to reason that the speckling on your hens is a form of sexual dimorphism too. And since a cockatiel has successfully hybridized with a cockatoo I am not comparing apples to oranges so to speak. I would wonder why all cockatiel hens don't have the chest spots. Maybe some are just more "primative" than others.
Scott
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From: sr_tiels@...
Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 15:53:08 -0700
Subject: Re: [Genetics-Psittacine] Re: Odd markings - more feather pictures
Ok, so I guess it would be impossible for a cockatiel to hybridize with a galah.
Scott... CRAP!!!!!...
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From: Gene Hall <hisbirds@sierratel.
To: Genetics-Psittacine
Sent: Friday, July 3, 2009 6:38:14 PM
Subject: Re: [Genetics-Psittacin
Those from OZ will show you a Galah Pied Cockatiel cross.
Gene Hall
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----- Original Message -----From: Scott StringerSent: Friday, July 03, 2009 2:39 PMSubject: RE: [Genetics-Psittacin e] Re: Odd markings - more feather pictures [1 Attachment]Ok, so I guess it would be impossible for a cockatiel to hybridize with a galah.
Scott
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From: asplandbird@ yahoo.com. au
Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 05:47:24 -0700
Subject: Re: [Genetics-Psittacin e] Re: Odd markings - more feather pictures
I'll stick to what I said in my last reply and leave it at , all psittacine's are related at some point and you are linking something so different that there is no point discussing it further.
Allan Macdonald <asplandbird@ yahoo.com. au>
From: Scott Stringer <scottostringer@ hotmail.com>
To: genetics-psittacine @yahoogroups. com
Sent: Friday, 3 July, 2009 1:02:40 PM
Subject: RE: [Genetics-Psittacin e] Re: Odd markings - more feather pictures
Sorry, but I don't think I am off track at all. A cockatiel is just a small cockatoo and the black hens exhibit spots and bars. The cockatiel neck spots may be nothing more than some sort of genetic throw back. It seems that people around the world that have seen a number of tiels have observed hens with the spotting so it can't possibly be that rare.
Scott
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From: asplandbird@ yahoo.com. au
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 16:19:04 -0700
Subject: Re: [Genetics-Psittacin e] Re: Odd markings - more feather pictures
Hi Scott I think you are completely off the track to compare a cockatiel to a red tail black, using this comparison I could argue that they are related to something like a sun conure or budgie and then if you produced a red or blue cockatiel say this is nothing unusual, have you seen any red tailed black cockatiels and if you did would you then say that's nothing unusual, cockatiels may be be considered the smallest of the cockatoo family but that is no reason to compare the two, would you compare a Bourke's parrot and a turquoise parrot which would be more closely related to explain a new colour or marking in either bird and then say the new marks are nothing unusual?.
Kind regards,
Allan Macdonald <asplandbird@ yahoo.com. au>
From: Scott Stringer <scottostringer@ hotmail.com>
To: genetics-psittacine @yahoogroups. com
Sent: Friday, 3 July, 2009 6:37:14 AM
Subject: RE: [Genetics-Psittacin e] Re: Odd markings - more feather pictures
Hi,
I really think if you google some pictures of female black cockatoos especially the Red Tails you will see that the hens have dots and dashes all over the place and that what you are seeing in the cockatiels is really not anything unique.
Scott
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From: sr_tiels@yahoo. com
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 13:29:59 -0700
Subject: Re: [Genetics-Psittacin e] Re: Odd markings - more feather pictures
Hi Stella!!Thanks for the responce. Do you have any pix's of the chests of the spotted birds?Also what splits would they have, if any?I am wondering if this is something seen on wild caught birds or in wild flocks if it is something that went recessive with captive breeding, diets, and pairing with other mutations, with the exception of whiteface.Susanne Russo, Ft. Lauderdale Florida, USA
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From: Stella Luuk <luuk73@hotmail. com>
To: genetics-psittacine @yahoogroups. com
Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2009 8:41:44 PM
Subject: RE: [Genetics-Psittacin e] Re: Odd markings - more feather pictures
I've noticed these spots on grey cockatiel hens going back to the early 80's and considered it a normal part of their markings, you never see it on adult males. We called it marbling. Some hens seem to have more or less of it. If you look at Red-tailed black cockatoo hens they have all sorts of spots also. Cockatiels are closely related to the Red-tailed black.
Stella
Ontario
Canada
> To: Genetics-Psittacine @yahoogroups. com
> From: tielfan@hotmail. com
> Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 01:22:33 +0000
> Subject: [Genetics-Psittacin e] Re: Odd markings - more feather pictures
>
> --- In Genetics-Psittacine @yahoogroups. com, "rose_2783" <rose_2783@.. .> wrote:
> >
> > I have a Yellow Cheek that has these same spots on the chest, I will
> > take a picture in a few days and post them.
> > Rose
>
> Thanks! Anything you can tell us about the genetics of your spotted birds will add to the data base.
>
> Carolyn
> and her cockatiels:
> Vlad, Shodu, Mims, and Buster
> Teela, Squeebis, and Snowy (children of Shodu and Buster)
> + a changing cast of chicks
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