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RE: [Genetics-Psittacine] Re: Odd markings - more feather pictures

  Susanne,
My point was that since the barred tail with body spots and barring is seen on non white cockatoo females, it stands to reason that the speckling on your hens is a form of sexual dimorphism too. And since a cockatiel has successfully hybridized with a cockatoo I am not comparing apples to oranges so to speak. I would wonder why all cockatiel hens don't have the chest spots. Maybe some are just more "primative" than others.
   Scott


To: Genetics-Psittacine@yahoogroups.com
From: sr_tiels@...
Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 15:53:08 -0700
Subject: Re: [Genetics-Psittacine] Re: Odd markings - more feather pictures




Ok, so I guess it would be impossible for a cockatiel to hybridize with a galah.
 

Scott... CRAP!!!!!...all I want to know is in regards to the original topic.  AND...if it is too much to ask...has the spots on been seen or are commonplace on wild tielss...NOT hybrids or freaks in your photo.
 
Susanne Russo, Ft. Lauderdale Florida, USA
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From: Gene Hall <hisbirds@sierratel.com>
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Sent: Friday, July 3, 2009 6:38:14 PM
Subject: Re: [Genetics-Psittacine] Re: Odd markings - more feather pictures


Those from OZ will show you a Galah Pied Cockatiel cross.
 
Gene Hall
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  Ok, so I guess it would be impossible for a cockatiel to hybridize with a galah.
          Scott
 


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From: asplandbird@ yahoo.com. au
Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 05:47:24 -0700
Subject: Re: [Genetics-Psittacin e] Re: Odd markings - more feather pictures



I'll stick to what I said in my last reply and leave it at , all psittacine's are related at some point and you are linking something so different that there is no point discussing it further.
 
Allan Macdonald <asplandbird@ yahoo.com. au>



From: Scott Stringer <scottostringer@ hotmail.com>
To: genetics-psittacine @yahoogroups. com
Sent: Friday, 3 July, 2009 1:02:40 PM
Subject: RE: [Genetics-Psittacin e] Re: Odd markings - more feather pictures

   Sorry, but I don't think I am off track at all. A cockatiel is just a small cockatoo and the black hens exhibit spots and bars. The cockatiel neck spots may be nothing more than some sort of genetic throw back. It seems that people around the world that have seen a number of tiels have observed hens with the spotting so it can't possibly be that rare.
   Scott
 



To: Genetics-Psittacine @yahoogroups. com
From: asplandbird@ yahoo.com. au
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 16:19:04 -0700
Subject: Re: [Genetics-Psittacin e] Re: Odd markings - more feather pictures



Hi Scott I think you are completely off the track to compare a cockatiel to a red tail black, using this comparison I could argue that they are related to something like a sun conure or budgie and then if you produced a red or blue cockatiel say this is nothing unusual, have you seen any red tailed black cockatiels and if you did would you then say that's nothing unusual, cockatiels may be be considered the smallest of the cockatoo family but that is no reason to compare the two, would you compare a Bourke's parrot and a turquoise parrot which would be more closely related to explain a new colour or marking in either bird and then say the new marks are nothing unusual?.
Kind regards,
 
Allan Macdonald <asplandbird@ yahoo.com. au>



From: Scott Stringer <scottostringer@ hotmail.com>
To: genetics-psittacine @yahoogroups. com
Sent: Friday, 3 July, 2009 6:37:14 AM
Subject: RE: [Genetics-Psittacin e] Re: Odd markings - more feather pictures

  Hi,
 I really think if you google some pictures of female black cockatoos especially the Red Tails you will see that the hens have dots and dashes all over the place and that what you are seeing in the cockatiels is really not anything unique.
    Scott
 



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From: sr_tiels@yahoo. com
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 13:29:59 -0700
Subject: Re: [Genetics-Psittacin e] Re: Odd markings - more feather pictures



Hi Stella!!
 
Thanks for the responce.  Do you have any pix's of the chests of the spotted birds?
 
Also what splits would they have, if any?
 
I am wondering if this is something seen on wild caught birds or in wild flocks if it is something that went recessive with captive breeding, diets, and pairing with other mutations, with the exception of whiteface.
 
Susanne Russo, Ft. Lauderdale Florida, USA
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From: Stella Luuk <luuk73@hotmail. com>
To: genetics-psittacine @yahoogroups. com
Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2009 8:41:44 PM
Subject: RE: [Genetics-Psittacin e] Re: Odd markings - more feather pictures


I've noticed these spots on grey cockatiel hens going back to the early 80's and considered it a normal part of their markings, you never see it on adult males. We called it marbling. Some hens seem to have more or less of it. If you look at Red-tailed black cockatoo hens they have all sorts of spots also. Cockatiels are closely related to the Red-tailed black.

Stella
Ontario
Canada

> To: Genetics-Psittacine @yahoogroups. com
> From: tielfan@hotmail. com
> Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 01:22:33 +0000
> Subject: [Genetics-Psittacin e] Re: Odd markings - more feather pictures
>
> --- In Genetics-Psittacine @yahoogroups. com, "rose_2783" <rose_2783@.. .> wrote:
> >
> > I have a Yellow Cheek that has these same spots on the chest, I will
> > take a picture in a few days and post them.
> > Rose
>
> Thanks! Anything you can tell us about the genetics of your spotted birds will add to the data base.
>
> Carolyn
> and her cockatiels:
> Vlad, Shodu, Mims, and Buster
> Teela, Squeebis, and Snowy (children of Shodu and Buster)
> + a changing cast of chicks



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A simple answer, Yes Susan it is common place for the spots on the cockateils!! !!!! I'd watch your language also, this is just a discussion.. . ... ...
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Susanne, My point was that since the barred tail with body spots and barring is seen on non white cockatoo females, it stands to reason that the speckling on...
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Just apples to pears. Allan Macdonald <asplandbird@...> ________________________________ From: Scott Stringer <scottostringer@...> To:...
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... The spots seem to be pretty common on males too, at least when they're juveniles. It isn't entirely clear what happens when they mature, but the general...
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The barring on the tail also goes away on non pied male birds too so it may not have a link to pearling. Was the bird picture posted of the hen with the heavy...
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... That hen was Susanne's, and she's the finest example of spotting that I've seen. But I have a male chick with a nice spot pattern:...
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Young cockatiels are all marked as hens, then moult into adult male plummage, except pieds. Young male pieds may exhibit barring in the tail and take up to two...
Stella Luuk
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... Yes, they all have wing spots and tail bars as juveniles. But the chest spots and head stripes that we're talking about aren't a standard part of juvenile...
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Can you post a picture of these spots? The "stripe" on the head could simply be pied ticking, I've seen cockatiels that have a yellow collar on the back of the...
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... My first post didn't go through so I'm trying again. There are pictures of my spotted birds and some molted feathers in the photo album at...
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George Smith, of happy memory, describes this in his "Encyclopaedia of Cockatiels" as Thrush Chest and states that it is unrelated to Pearl or Pied. It is...
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Rick, Your attached pix is NOT what Carolyn is inquiring about.  Those appeared to be normal pearl scalloping on the front of the birds.   Susanne Russo, Ft....
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Oh, alright. I was not aware Pearl cockatiels were marked that way. I thought it affected the mantle but not the bib. Rick www.dnasexing.info...
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Thanks Rick. I've heard thrush chest mentioned before, but the description in Smith's book is kind of vague and I wasn't sure it was the same condition....
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When I first started breeding, I learned that a Cockatiel was a mini Cockatoo. It this is true, then maybe it could be possible to have a mutated gene from a...
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... For a long time no one was completely sure whether cockatiels were cockatoos or grass parakeets, since they have characteristics of both. But now DNA...
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Check these out..............Joyce http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4Va82B64ow http://www.talkingbirds.com.au/worldfirst-galah.php ...
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Joyce, Thanks for the links!!!  The YouTube one was interesting because there were also other video showing hatching eggs, etc. BUT...I am single minded here...
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Galatiel or Cockalah O:-) 8Joyce Baum wrote: Check these out......... .....Joyce http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=C4Va82B64ow http://www.talkingb irds.com....
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Wouldn't this bird be a Galatiel, while a Cockalah would be from a Cockatiel cock x Galah hen ? Like Ligers  & Tigons.     Oh, my. J Moody ... From: Wynand...
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Hi Joyce, fancy meeting you here. Carolyn and her cockatiels: Vlad, Shodu, Mims, and Buster Teela, Squeebis, and Snowy (children of Shodu and Buster) + a...
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... I've been on this list for years Carolyn. :) Mostly lurking, and learning. Joyce...
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... Interesting! I wonder if Canadian cockatiels are genetically much different than US tiels? The people I've talked to about this have been mostly in the US,...
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I don't think these markings are out of the ordinary. Just normal grey hen markings. These markings on grey hens predate the introduction of WF,YC and emerald...
Susanne Russo
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... The markings seem to be fairly common in the US but apparently they are not considered to be part of the normal cockatiel color scheme. Exhibition...
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If the show judges are ruling out normal grey hen markings as pied ticking they are just being silly! The ticking from pied tends to be solid yellow or white...
Stella Luuk
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Pied markings doesn't seem to be as even and uniform in pattern and shape as these do!...
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My Opaline Neophema Bourkii caught my eye again. I have one that has stripes on the back of the head and markings similar to those of the Cockatiels that we...
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I truly wish that this hen was a "new" arrival on the scene and was worth many dollars.....with the economy as it is here, I would love to ship a number just...
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I also have the same in Lutino......  ...   Gene,  When it comes to lutino you can use a blacklight to look for any markings or the spots on the chest.  It...
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