Hi Walter and all

I tried to calm my dog at staying earlier, but I found that at least my late
miniature schnautzer Ressu did not understand what "stay" meant after one minute
if he was calm. He stayed nicely when I left him and then he just "fell asleep"
or something and left his place looking around. When there was something to wait
for, he was alert all the time and stayed. Because Rutja seems to work at the
same way, I did not try calming but just increased the waiting time from one
second to minutes. Maybe it's because I'm not very good at calming anybody
else...

And thanks to Joy for explaining clicker training, I did not do it because I
found it so difficult with my english and stortage of time. I have used clicker
over two years now and I'm very pleased with this method.  I'm teaching Rutja to
bark when he finds a person he has been searching. This is not ready yet, but I
got barking out of almost never barking dog! Let's see how it goes this evening.

And Rutja can be very proud of his daddy. Ruuti is one of the good reasons why I
wanted to have Rutja. Best wishes to Norway

Elisa & Rutja (Yarracitta Pippuriprinssi)

>With my dog this way has been more sucessfull than doing it with "waiting
>for food" as my dog gets very eager to get the food and "stays" to inc.
>above the floor (as written in Joys joke). But I know that Elisas way also
>works well. But with the disadvatage that quite a few dogs are waiting for
>something nicer to happend then just stay there waiting.
>
>
>To Elisa.
>Yesterday I found out that Ruuti is the father of your dog (irene Kuisma
>told me). He is one of the best GP males in Norway at present. Nearly 9
>years (I think) and still a brilliant dog. I am going to buy a bitch from
>Sweden (if they get any good b&t bitches) and he is in the pedigree.
>
>Regards Walter
>
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> Joy wrote:
> >I'd like to know how everyone teaches their GP's to STAY...
> >whether in a sit, down, or stand position.
Walter Frøyen wrote:
> I used to have a problem with that, and sometimes still do
> It all starts out with calming the dog down. Take him in a "sit
> position" with your left foot. Talk slowly, bend down on your
> knees and with a soft and "calm down voice" and pet his chest.
>  Toys means speed and fun, calm voice and some food calm down
> the dog. Remember TTT (things takes time),

Calm voice works, and I find that lowering the pitch helps, as does
speaking slooooooower and softer.

> my dog gets very eager to get the food and "stays" to inches above the
> floor (as written in Joys joke). But I know that Elisas way also works
> well. But with the disadvatage that quite a few dogs are waiting for
> something nicer to happend then just stay there waiting.

[Elisas] Mika Vallius wrote:
> I use clicker (do you know click and treat training by american
> dolphin trainers?). Many many times I clicked and treated him with
> something good just when he went down and slowly increased the time
> between laying down and clicking.

Walter, although Elisas talks about food as a reinforcement, the
reiforcement of operant conditionung IS the best way to train.
"Click Training" was *coined* by Karen Prior, author of "Don't
Shoot the Dog."

		 http://www.karenpryor.com/

Click (no "pun" intended) on the *Animals* button/tab on top of page

	 Clicker training is a science-based system for teaching
      behavior with positive reinforcement. You use a marker
      signal (the sound of a toy clicker) to tell the animal
      when it’s doing the right thing and will get a treat. The
      system was first widely used by dolphin trainers, who
      needed a way to teach behavior without using physical
      force.

      In traditional animal training, you tell an animal what to
      do, make it do what you want (using force if
      necessary), reward good results, and punish mistakes.
      In clicker training you watch the animal’s behavior, click
      when it does something you like, and pay off with a
      treat. The treat may be food (easiest at first) or a pat, or
      praise, or anything else the learner enjoys.

      Clicker trainers focus on building behavior, not stopping
      behavior. Instead of yelling at the dog for jumping up,
      you click it for sitting.

then go to the picture of the dog and click on it:

CLICK for what you want, instead of scolding for what you don't want.
CLICK the puppy for relieving itself in the proper spot. CLICK for
doggy paws on the ground, not on the visitors. <snip>
CLICK for quiet instead of noise.

CLICK during the desired behavior, not after it is completed.
The timing of the click is crucial. Don't be dismayed if your pet
stops the behavior when it hears the click. The click ends the
behavior. Give the treat after that; the timing of the treat is
not important.

> I think that these jokes from Joy are more from true life with GP
> than just imaginary funnies, maybe that is why I love and respect
> my GP so much.

I thought the joke was funny, and it was sent to me today...
The timing seemed perfect for our discussion.  GPs are not
robots.  I watch them hesitate and "think" out what move to make
next.
--------------------
It really is 3:30am.  I've been up all day/night coordinating a
rescue of a red, neutered male GP in Oklahoma, USA, and creating a
webpage for him.  "Nugget" is a pretty boy.

http://www.geocities.com/Petsburgh/Farm/5212/Nugget.html

He is out of the KILL-shelter and in temporary foster care.
If anyone is interested in fostering or adopting him, please
contact me, at (352) 365-9955  or e-mail:  lakai@...
--
Warmly,  Joy LaCaille,
    ListOwner/Administrator/Moderator German Pinschers Maillist
& George & the "Naturally Reared" Lakai German Pinschers
Mailto:lakai@...   ICQ# 6138847   AOL IM = Lakai GP
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Dear all:

Joy wrote:
>I'd like to know how everyone teaches their GP's to STAY...
>whether in a sit, down, or stand position.

I used to have a problem with that, and sometimes still does.I went out of
a competition because of that. A bitch near by sat up, and guess what
happend? You are right,  my dog did the same.

Funny you should ask this question today. Yesterday evening (19 oktober)at
our lokal Dog Club we had a special session on lay down and wait and sit
and wait. We train a lot on this topic/event because this is the event that
most dogs fails. Not just GPs. You can se pics from our last traning with
the instructor Turid Stavn (9 th of october) at the homepage of the club.(
http://home.sol.no/~rpaalsru/shhk/foto.htm )

What do I do?
It all starts out with calming the dog down. Take him in a "sit position"
with your left foot. Talk slowly, bend down on your knees and with a soft
and "calm down voice" and pet his chest. Then raise up. Not leaving
him.Then bend down again and pet him, again with a calm voice. The next
step is to do this over again, but after petting his chest, rais up and
turn your head away. Remember to put your foot at the leach so he cant run
away. Then repeat the event now and then (not to many times in a row).
After a while you should be able to take one by one step away from your
dog, as he knows that in the end of this event my owner will pet me and
maybe he will get something good to eat. Do never use toys when training
passive events. Toys means speed and fun, calm voice and fome food calm
down the dog. Remember TTT (things takes time), and it is better to use
time when teadhing a dog new things that to take the quick way and have to
relearn it later. Thats what takes extremely long time.

This was what we was training yesterday, and the instructor is a Lady that
is a Norwegian and Nordic Champion with 3 different dogs (German Schep).
And she tested it out with all 14 dog that attended yesterday. And it
worked with all of them, including my GP. he did not get ut once. Not once !

With my dog this way has been more sucessfull than doing it with "waiting
for food" as my dog gets very eager to get the food and "stays" to inc.
above the floor (as written in Joys joke). But I know that Elisas way also
works well. But with the disadvatage that quite a few dogs are waiting for
something nicer to happend then just stay there waiting.


To Elisa.
Yesterday I found out that Ruuti is the father of your dog (irene Kuisma
told me). He is one of the best GP males in Norway at present. Nearly 9
years (I think) and still a brilliant dog. I am going to buy a bitch from
Sweden (if they get any good b&t bitches) and he is in the pedigree.

Regards Walter

>I'd like to know how everyone teaches their GP's to STAY...
>whether in a sit, down, or stand position.
>
I started with Rutja when he was little puppy, because I know how hard it is
with rat killers. I use clicker (do you know click and treat training by
american dolphin trainers?). Many many times I clicked and treated him with
something good just when he went down and slowly increased the time between
laying down and clicking. I may sound funny, but I think that GP needs a reason
for staying, so I often train inside the house putting food bowl of something
smaller to eat about a half meter from Rutja in "down stay". He keeps staring
the food for minutes! If he tries to leave his place, I don't punish him at any
way, just take him back and let him stay again. Nowadays we have a "ritual" when
we come from a walk. I put towel at the bathroom door and every time we get in,
I put the dogs (Rutja and my standard schnautzer Larre) sit or down on the
towel. They wait there when I prepare their meals. It may take minutes, but it
is worth waiting... It seems that they understand that leaving that place will
interrupt preparing of meals and they have to wait longer after I put them back
on the towel.

I have competed with Rutja in obedience a few times. At first I went great in
down-stay, but two last times were catastrophes. First, one dog inteferred the
dog beside Rutja and he stood up, because the owner came near and in our last
(for a moment) competition, a dog next to Rutja made recall in down-stay...
Rutja reacted immediately and ran after her before he had time to think. Now we
don't compete before I have had much more training, because this GP has too good
memory...

I think that these jokes from Joy are more from true life with GP than just
imaginary funnies, maybe that is why I love and respect my GP so much.

Elisa



>I sometimes think we do not give the dogs enough credit for
>what THEY think of what we ask them to do.
>
> A Dog's Eye View of Obedience Class
>
>HEEL ON LEAD: Walk as slowly as you can, then spring
>forward with all your weight. If your handler falls
>flat on his or her face, you score 25 points.
>>>
>RECALL: When your handler shouts at you, assume rock deafness.
>On no account sit in front of your handler, because he will
>only make you heel. 25 points if your handler loses his voice.
>>>
>RETRIEVE the DUMBBELL: On no account fetch it back, because
>he will only throw it away again.  If he wants the stupid
>piece of wood let him fetch it himself, you will be helping
>to train him not to throw away things he really wants. 5
>points every time the handler gets the dumbbell.
>>>
>SIT: Stay one inch away from the ground at the back end.
>This builds muscles and makes your rear legs stronger, which
>will help you pull your handler down of the HEEL ON LEAD.
>>>
>CONCLUSION
>Do any exercise you choose perfectly!
>This will leave your handler thinking that the earlier
>mistakes were his fault, and they will take you to
>training classes week after week.
>
>--
>Warmly,  Joy LaCaille,
>

>From: Joy LaCaille <lakai@...>
>>I'd like to know how everyone teaches their GP's to STAY...
>whether in a sit, down, or stand position.
>

ROTFLMAO!!! Yeah right Joy! That certainly isn't within my scope of
knowledge! Mine WILL do all of those things, so long as I am right beside
them and are watching them. Turn my head and IT'S PLAYTIME!!!
Jim

Walter Frøyen wrote: I am Walter, and I agree 100% with Elisa.
> The same rules in SAR traning as in other training.
> Do not bore your dog, <snip> The most important thing is
> that the dog must learn that coming to persons is far more
> worth while that chasing animals (and he will soon do).

I agree about not boring the GPs. ALL the pinschers are smart
but the GPs seem to rebell at repetition. I watched one TITLED
obedience dog going for the SAME level of competition in
another kennel club, doing a "heel"... three feet behind his
owner.  He was young (under 5), also trained in tracking and
schutshund (?sp) but BORED was shown in every lagging step.

I'd like to know how everyone teaches their GP's to STAY...
whether in a sit, down, or stand position.

==========================================
I usually send jokes to a private group of friends. When I
lost my new addressbook, I lost the "groups" of jokes or
health, or inspiration.  If anyone would like to be included
in sharing any of the three categories, please contact me
privately at lakai@....  This is NOT a "maillist".  I
send all info to myself, with everyone in Blind CC.  Some of
you got a forward today about Jane Fonda.  Sorry about the
content, but once I started hitting names, I included almost
everyone. I got 15 error-responses in 30 min (e-mail not valid)
---------------
Some of you still need to go to onelist.com and fill out your
member profile.  All *I* need, is Name/state/country and URL
[and/or ICQ if you have it] for the Directory webpage. If
anyone knows where i can find a map of the world, and a way to
"MARK" each spot where a GP lives, we might have an interesting
webpage showing where our dogs are located.
===============
I sometimes think we do not give the dogs enough credit for
what THEY think of what we ask them to do.

	 A Dog's Eye View of Obedience Class

HEEL ON LEAD: Walk as slowly as you can, then spring
forward with all your weight. If your handler falls
flat on his or her face, you score 25 points.
>>
RECALL: When your handler shouts at you, assume rock deafness.
On no account sit in front of your handler, because he will
only make you heel. 25 points if your handler loses his voice.
>>
RETRIEVE the DUMBBELL: On no account fetch it back, because
he will only throw it away again.  If he wants the stupid
piece of wood let him fetch it himself, you will be helping
to train him not to throw away things he really wants. 5
points every time the handler gets the dumbbell.
>>
SIT: Stay one inch away from the ground at the back end.
This builds muscles and makes your rear legs stronger, which
will help you pull your handler down of the HEEL ON LEAD.
>>
CONCLUSION
Do any exercise you choose perfectly!
This will leave your handler thinking that the earlier
mistakes were his fault, and they will take you to
training classes week after week.

--
Warmly,  Joy LaCaille,
ListOwner/Administrator/Moderator German Pinschers Maillist
   & George & the "Naturally Reared" Lakai German Pinschers
	     http://www.iag.net/~lakai/lakai_gp.html
         ================================================
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           http://www.geocities.com/Petsburgh/Farm/5212/
German Pinscher Club of America national breed rescue chairman
      ListOwner/Administrator/Moderator GPCA Rescue Maillist
            http://www.geocities.com/Petsburgh/Haven/7711

Hello!

I'm not Walter, but when it comes to searching people with GP, I'm ready to
answer. Me and my GP Rutja have trained person searching (not SAR) for two
months now and we are very excited about it. Rutja loves to "search" squirrels,
normally, but while training it has never left searching of human. That may be
because he knows what is going to happen next, he loves people he searchs (as
every people on earth...), he is paid with delicious food (and he has been kept
hungry 24 hours or so) and training is short and well organized (not waiting or
many similar training situations at the same day). These function well also in
obedience and agility. Do not bore your GP!

Elisa & Rutja (from Finland)



>From: "Angela Arias (GD 1998)" <arias@...>
>
>Dear All,
>
>Walter:
>How did your GP take to his searching and tracking training?  Sometimes
>when I look at my Blue I think that he'd never want to give up looking for
>wild animals to look for people.  But I also think that he needs something
>to do.  I'm also considering agility.  He was introduced to the dog walk
>and the see-saw last week and took to them well.
>

Hi, My name is Heather Green and I breed and show Standard Manchester
Terriers.  I have been interested in the German Pinscher for quite some
time, and want to gather as much information as I can on the breed.  It
isn't surprising since my darling Manchesters have such a similar
appearance, but I would be interested in learning the differences,
finding a Breed Standard to learn, and other things generally not put
onto paper, but found through the experiences of others that have the
breed.  Any information anyone can give me is gratefully appreciated.

Heather
DemonMoon Reg'd Manchesters

Walter Frøyen wrote:
> Dear Angela and others
> I am not sure what you actually means in your mail. You wrote:
> "He was introduced to the dog walk and the see-saw last week..."
> What is see-saw?
==================

http://www.dogpatch.org/agility/photo/contacts.html

"This obstacle is the teeter-totter, or see-saw. Just like the ones
in children's playgrounds, the agility teeter pivots in the center,
and normally rests with one end on the ground. Once the dog goes up
it, the teeter will tip so the other end hits the ground, after
which the dog can continue to descend, and exit the obstacle."

Walter, and those who are not familiar with "agility" terminology:

WHAT IS DOG AGILITY? In brief, it’s a sport in which a dog runs
through a timed obstacle course as commanded by the handler.
Agility training strengthens the bond between dog and handler,
and provides fun and exercise for both.

For more information about agility, go to:
http://www.dogpatch.org/agility/

==============
To see an animated cartoon version of a complete agility course,
go to one of my webpages on training & showing:
http://www.iag.net/~lakai/training.htm

Since my webmaster didn't "maintain" my webpages, I'll start to
edit them, AFTER I finish with the German Pinschers Around the
World links... I have collected more URLs... if YOU know of any
good training or showing "links", please send them to me.

We need written standards in the languages of our listmembers.
Anyone have the GP standard in Finnish, Norwegian, German, French,
or any other language????

[Herbert said he would look for the new German standard]

[Walter,  your page doesn't work
	 http://www.uio.no/~wfroyen/rasestandard.html
just send me the text, UNtranslated... I'll get the HTML done and
send you the URL, before I announce it to the list.]

Warmly,  Joy LaCaille,
    ListOwner/Administrator/Moderator German Pinschers Maillist
& George & the "Naturally Reared" Lakai German Pinschers
http://www.iag.net/~lakai/lakai_gp.html
         ================================================
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           http://www.geocities.com/Petsburgh/Farm/5212/
German Pinscher Club of America national breed rescue chairman
ListOwner/Administrator/Moderator GPCA Rescue Maillist
            http://www.geocities.com/Petsburgh/Haven/7711

Dear Angela and others

I am not sure what you actually means in your mail. You wrote:
>How did your GP take to his searching and tracking training?
What does take to mean? How he respond or how he figure out what he shoul
do, og how he liked it?
He is very eager to go SAR, the moment he sees the backpack (the green one)
he knows what is going on, and se "screams" to get out in the woods.
you wrote: He was introduced to the dog walk
>and the see-saw last week and took to them well.
What is see-saw?

Walter

Dear All,  Walter:
How did your GP take to his searching and tracking training?  Sometimes
when I look at my Blue I think that he'd never want to give up looking for
wild animals to look for people.  But I also think that he needs something
to do.  I'm also considering agility.  He was introduced to the dog walk
and the see-saw last week and took to them well.

Joy:
You asked how I find time for training with my busy schedule?  I squeeze
it in! I practice sitting/staying/downing in short intervals during
televison commercials.  We go out and practice nice leash walking as short
study breaks when I'm working at home.  On some mornings instead of a long
walk in the morning we take a short walk and then practice recalls on his
50 ft. line in the backyard.  I wish I had more time, but that'll have
to wait until I graduate and start my new job.  That's when I would start
serious SAR training if I decide to do that.

Angela Arias
and now Blue
arias@...

Frank and Gloria Cuthbert's computer needed reformatting again, and
they were unable to post this letter and asked me to do so for them.
They didn't give the date, but it was after the move to onelist.com.
I CC'd them, to be sure they get a copy.  Frank/Gloria, sign up at:
http://www.onelist.com/community/German-Pinschers
BTW: there are too many numbers in her phone number... try again!
--
Warmly,  Joy LaCaille,
& George & the "Naturally Reared" Lakai German Pinschers
    ListOwner/Administrator/Moderator German Pinschers Maillist
         ================================================

Gloria Cuthbert wrote:
<<Dear All USA German Pinscher enthusiasts

Can you please help an English lady (married to an American) who has
just gone to live in your country permanently.  She is the mother
of one of our Pinscher stalwarts, a young lady who has two of my
breeding, Kinrha Dandy Eastender (Beau) and Kinrha Pearly Queen (Kia)
and has been involved with the breed for over 11 years.  Mother,
Barbara, has always supported her daughter and is truly enamoured of
the breed.  Each year she has accompanied daughter, Karen, to dog
shows and most importantly to a special event run by the KC called
"Discover Dogs."  One thing that will make her feel more at home in
USA is if she can have contact with her favourite breed.  Knowing
that I had this contact with you she has asked me to find out if
someone will be willing to help out.

Name:  Mrs Barbara Hickey
535 South Alma School Road, # 104
Mesa, Arizona 85210                 Tel: 602 2898 3898

Her husband may not necessarily be working in Arizona and his firm
seem to relocate him quite regularly.  When located in UK that is
where he met and married Barbara.  So even if you are not anywhere
near Arizona she would still like to hear from you.  Apparently
Mr Hickey is quite a computer buff so it will not be long before
they have an email address too and Barbara can learn to use this
facility!
------------

Have read about the naming of litters.  I am one of those, not
very original beings, who has named her UK litters going down the
alphabet.  However the first Pinscher mating did not take so I
called the non litter A for abortive!  The next litter would then
be B but they were born on Christmas Day so I  could not resist
giving them all festive type names.  As you know, in UK, the
Pinscher cannot become a Ch. and gain those three "CCs" to become
one.  So the next litter were all to have names beginning with C
and C so my Pins. would have "CCs" as a joke.  In fact Kinrha
Crystal Clear and K. Cotton Candy both went to USA.  From then on
I used double letters from the alphabet,  Debonair Emigre and
Dawn Explorer both went to Canada.  Far to Go (Fargo) went to Janet
Skidmore in Carolina and I kept Frankly Glorious (husband is Frank
and I am Gloria!)  Joy LaCaille actually collected Kinrha Hinnie Joy
(last dog exported to USA).  That litter was widely travelled with
pups going to Sweden, USA, Canada and Australia.  Two bitches (PQ)
went to Sweden and are both champions there.  The last Kinrha litter
to be bred by me was the TU litter, all stayed in UK.  So I didn`t
quite make the end of the alphabet but have had fun getting there
as all names not only follow alphabetically but all mean something
(at least to me) special.>>

Gloria Cuthbert. <Frank-Cuthbert@...>  (Kinrha Pinschers)
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Lane/9675/index.html

I find that the french name game is the hardest (besides random!) for me to
keep track of when you want to know if pups are littermates. I had an L
puppy from Robin and then there was another L litter whelped that year and
I found it difficult to determine which were and were not related to my L
pup. I prefer the German or theme style of the name game because I can then
tell who's related if I don't have a show premium in hand to go with a dog
when I see it.

Eva Lanker

Gpinscher1@... wrote:
> From: Gpinscher1@...
> Here at Windmair we try and be creative with our names of puppies. <snip>
_________________________________________________________________________
_________________________________________________________________________

Message: 5
    Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 22:46:13 -0500
    From: "Gerald Buck" <Wildfire@xxxxxxxx.xxxx
Subject: Re: RE:name game

I read a book on working terriers where the author said it was common among
working terrier people to give all the puppies in a litter a name starting
with the first letter of the dam's name.  If the dam's name was Molly the
puppies would be Mark, Mary, Matthew, etc..

Gerald
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Here at Windmair we try and be creative with our names of puppies.  A name is
important for the dog and owner. and it's a way for me to keep trace of them.
So each litter has a cll name like Storm, all puppies in that litter come to
the name but the registered names go--Storm Warning, Storm Trooper,Secret
Storm, Storm Alert
  Or Secret---Secret Agent, Top Secret, Secert Love
The litter I have now were a four color litter but since three were blues all
the names are blue something--Blue BuyU, Blue QB, Blue Levi., Blue Vlelet
It's great fun naming puppies
Robin follows the French way and names her puppies for the year so this new
litter will be P and boy, do I have a list for P
Sharon Morgan
Windamir

> What a neat idea!
> We don't plan on breeding too very often (not after 10 puppies in our very
> first litter HaHa)...
> Adel Flora isnt even 2 yet, her hips havent been done, CERF was, she's
> championed, temperment is great, but its too early........
> The thought with the Alphabet was the simplest in our minds and we liked
> the idea of "one name wonders" as my husband called them.
> But I must say, I really think your "naming" idea/theme is very impressive!

Deann
you can combine both the alphabetic order and the "naming" idea.
I remember a Finnish breeder (not GP but Boxers) who named the puppies
of the same litter in the alphabetic order, but each litter with one
"theme" f.ex. the N-litter puppies were named "Never On Sunday" and
other movie titles, at the R-litter were "Range Rover", "Rolls Royce",
... (all car names), etc. You just must have enough phantasy :-)

GP regards

Herbert

Laura:
What a neat idea!
We don't plan on breeding too very often (not after 10 puppies in our very
first litter HaHa)...
Adel Flora isnt even 2 yet, her hips havent been done, CERF was, she's
championed, temperment is great, but its too early........
The thought with the Alphabet was the simplest in our minds and we liked the
idea of "one name wonders" as my husband called them.
But I must say, I really think your "naming" idea/theme is very impressive!

Deann

At 15:23 08.10.99 -0400, you wrote:
>From: "Angela Arias (GD 1998)" <arias@...>
>
>Dear Walter,
>My name is Angela and I have a 8 mo. old German Pinscher named Blue.  I
>looked at your web site and your Nero is adorable.  I saw a picture of a
>weeekend in the woods and the caption said something about rescue dogs.
>Is your Nero a search and rescue (SAR) dog?  Our obedience trainer said
>that she thought Blue might make a good SAR dog and I've begun looking
>into it.  If Nero is an SAR dog I'd love to know more about him.  If
>anyone has a SAR german pinscher I'd like to know.

Dear Angela
Thanks for your e-mail.
thank you for liking Nero. He is a adorable dog. At least I feel that, and
several judges also. Yesterday, at an international show arranged by The
Norwegian Kennel Club he obtained CERT (his 4th) and CACIB. And it was a
German Judge (Monica Feltche)a well reputated judge. That used a lot of
time on each dog. As she said "Aber fantastich, eine fantastiche Rüde" or
in English A "Fantanstic, a fantastic male". So we are happy with his wins
in the show ring, and also in SAR (search and rescue).

I am member of a lokal Dog Club in Oslo, and we arrange SAR traning, and
sometimes with the National Norwegian Dog Rescue Team. He got talent
absolutely. He does search for objects and for people (of figurant) as we
say. Nero is still not titled or certified as a SAR dog, and I am not sure
it I will. That is more like a life style than a hobby. And since I show
him, train obedience, a board member of the dog club and are in search for
a bitch, I am not sure if I will make it further than a hobby. But we`ll see.

I do hope you continy with your dog Blue, and I noticed you bougth the dog
from Joy and I pretty sure she would love to hear about a SAR dog from her
litters.

Regards from Walter
http://www.uio.no/~wfroyen/privat.html

>I have a question for those of you who breed. Is there a method to the way
>you name the puppies from your litters. I know the GP is originally German
>and the German breeders I have met typically name their litters with names
>starting with A for the first litter, B for the second...in alphabetical
>order. Some of the GPs come from France and it is my understanding that the
>French breeders name alphabetically for the year.  For instance, the year
>2000 is a Q-year, so all puppies born in 2000 will be named with a Q name.
>so whats your method?

My method for naming is not cut and dried as letters of the alphabet and/or
years.
Skipper Dobes--My logo is a ship's steering wheel--soooo all my home-bred
Dobes have names in one way or another are related to water.
Skipper Pinschers--Erika is my first GP.  I wanted something German--hence
"Fraulein".  (Erica Kane on the soap "All My Children" is my FAVORITE
villain/character--so I "Germanized" it and selected "Erika")

All of Erika's pups (and grandpups) have names inspired by the location
where her first litter was conceived--the parking lot of the Casino Magic,
in Bay St. Louis, MS.  We were there for some SKC shows and the stud had
arrived from CA (it was preplanned and it actually fell into line.  I did
not have to send her back to CA for the breeding.  Erika had 7 blk/red
bitches!)  Names like--(CH) Casino Magic, Spin to Win, Lucky Sevens,
etc...Instant Cash Money went on to whelp---Instant Cash Draw, Pocket
Change, Roulette's Winning Chip, and The Money Wizard.

Each to his/her own, I guess.  Some people are more "avid" breeders than
others-- having more litters yearly.  I do not have that many litters--Dobes
or GPs, so this works for me.
Laura

In a message dated 10/10/99 3:01:21 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
TrainUrK9@... writes:
<< I have a question for those of you who breed. Is there a method to the way
  you name the puppies from your litters. I know the GP is originally German
  and the German breeders I have met typically name their litters with names
  starting with A for the first litter, B for the second...in alphabetical
  order. Some of the GPs come from France and it is my understanding that the
  French breeders name alphabetically for the year.  For instance, the year
  2000 is a Q-year, so all puppies born in 2000 will be named with a Q name.>>

We were just blessed with out first litter of healthy GP's, 10 be exact! all
Black & Tan, 5 females and 5 males......My husband and I have decided to take
name our puppies the same way they do in Finland, in honor of the Bitch,
Ceriinan Milana and use the alphabet and "one name".....We split the alphabet
and landed on M so this first litter will be all M names such as:
Dreamcatcher Myriah, Dreamcatchers Mercedes, etc. etc. etc.......

Our next Litter (late in 2000 or 2001) will be either L or N and we will work
from there!
Q would be interesting though....hmmmmm

Sincerely,
deann

<< I have written several articles that have been published in national
magazines about therapy dogs and mine in particular. ...
Currently, I am working on my Doctoral Degree in Educational Leadership--a
LONG 3-year program of study.  I have received approval to do my
dissertation on "Pet Therapy"!!!  Am I excited. >>

Wow Laura, sounds like you work harder than your dog's do LOL Good luck with
your studies!

I have a question for those of you who breed. Is there a method to the way
you name the puppies from your litters. I know the GP is originally German
and the German breeders I have met typically name their litters with names
starting with A for the first litter, B for the second...in alphabetical
order. Some of the GPs come from France and it is my understanding that the
French breeders name alphabetically for the year.  For instance, the year
2000 is a Q-year, so all puppies born in 2000 will be named with a Q name.
so whats your method?

Joy I love the champions of the heart dog.  Thats my kind of dog.  I hope one
of these days to have a dog like that.  I would love to do search and rescue
too.  Jane

TrainUrK9@... wrote:
<< I have been using ONElist as a list member and as a moderator for 2
  yrs Now. Please do not be afraid to explore the options and services,
  and if you have trouble contact ONElist. They respond quickly to
  problems I have had in the past.
>
  The Help button gives explanations about how to use various services
so do not be afraid. Almost everything can be fixed one way or another.
  You should have seen the first time I tried to use the calendar
function for one of my lists. I forgot to unclick a square and I had
the same item on my calendar every day of the year. After a moment of
panic, I figured out how to fix it using the Help section.
> Have fun! Lisa Ritchie>>
===============
I have to thank Lisa, PUBLICALLY, in addition to the many private
letters I've sent, for ALL the help she has give ME this past week.
I was frantic about the move to one-list and the STRANGE new features.

I'm very proud of our listmembers.  Most stay in "lurk" mode and
never enter our discussions.  But those who do come out and say hello
have been warm, friendly, and helpful.  It does take a special kind
of person to appreciate the wonderful qualities of our unique (if
not "rare") breed of dogs. Thanks to all who have welcomed new
listmembers and answered their questions.

I hope we can use the Calendar feature to list upcoming dog shows
ALL OVER THE WORLD... The file feature is wonderful, and I hope we
can share more pictures of our dogs, new litters (puppy pictures are
always so cute), and articles to store that are worth saving (DIGESTS
are so hard to find a specific post).  We are limited on space, so I
ask you to try to keep photo files under 25Kb or I might have to
compress them.

In addition to our two German-Pinschers and GPCA-Rescue maillists,
there are 2,648 dog-related maillists here.  Rare-K-Nine is just one
that might interest our listmembers. There are maillist about training
and obedience, rescue, therapy dogs, and many general chat list about
dogs in general and other breeds.

I am not afraid to send people to search the community lists, here
on OneList.com.  I listed ours as 10 and up instead of Safe for Kids,
in case we discussed dog-breeding or whelping litters.  I did not
want to offend anyone.

I left the archives public.  If anyone objects to them being seen
by the whole world, please let me know.  I thought that way people
could do a quick search and learn something about our breed.

The HELP files are very simple and easy to read.  I just have NOT
had time to read them all.  I would have also realized that I CAN
reset your maillist preferences if you want me to change you from
regular mail to digest or read-off-the-web (great feature for those
taking a vacations and not wanting to unsubsribe).

Warmly,  Joy LaCaille,
& George & the "Naturally Reared" Lakai German Pinschers
         ================================================
    ListOwner/Administrator/Moderator German Pinschers Maillist
ListOwner/Administrator/Moderator German Pinscher Rescue Maillist
         http://www.geocities.com/Petsburgh/Farm/5212/
ListOwner/Administrator/Moderator GPCA Rescue Maillist
         http://www.onelist.com/community/GPCA-Rescue
      NEW -- German Pinscher Club of America Rescue Webpage
         http://www.geocities.com/Petsburgh/Haven/7711

I have been using ONElist as a list member and as a moderator for 2 yrs Now.
Please do not be afraid to explore the options and services, and if you have
trouble contact ONElist. They respond quickly to problems I have had in the
past.

The Help button gives explanations about how to use various services so do
not be afraid. Almost everything can be fixed one way or another.  LOL You
should have seen the first time I tried to use the calendar function for one
of my lists. I forgot to unclick a square and I had the same item on my
calendar every day of the year. After a moment of panic, I figured out how to
fix it using the Help section.

Have fun!

Lisa Ritchie

walter.froyen@... wrote: Dear Joy and others
> I am a "habile" computer user, but this list is not the simplest and
> most logic I have seen. But I think I can manage to learn it. After
> all "learning and pedagogy" is my profession.

Hey, Walter, and other GP-lovers:
Sorry this is so LONG, especially for those members who are non-English
as the primary language.  But I will try to keep this easy as possible.

The "other" server had features that I liked as a listowner/manager.
I could put your names, country, and help you set the preferences for
regular-mail/digest/read-off-web mail. I can do none of that at OneList.
=================
If all you want to do is read individual mail, nothing should have
changed from the golim computer in Helsinki, Finland, to the e-groups,
to Onelist.com.  However, if you want to navigate OneList's options,
this mini-tour might be helpful:

I am asking ALL of you to go to the German-Pinscher Maillist homepage:
http://www.onelist.com/community/German-Pinschers

Yyou MUST have your "cookies" enabled.
I "see" things differently, since I am the listowner/moderator.

=================
at the top of http://www.onelist.com/community/German-Pinschers  is:
German-Pinschers - created October 3, 1999
Membership      Click to modify your membership settings.   [button]

...a new page will load on your browser.
Please enter your name, city/state/country.  The information is
private... none of the listmembers or anyone accessing the membership
list can see the names or e-mail addresses [that's what preference I
set for this list].  As the listowner/moderator, I can see them. I
don't have to have your age or sex, but it would be nice to know.

You can also decide if you want individual mail, digests,
or read-off-the-web only
=================

At the top of the "Main Page for German-Pinschers" are 3 buttons

"Explore Communities"   http://www.onelist.com/
	 you can find us, by typing in German Pinschers
	 you can also find GPCA-Rescue
		 http://www.onelist.com/community/German-Pinschers
	 you can also find Rare-K-Nine maillist
	    http://www.onelist.com/community/ Description: A
	    discussion list for the rare breed dog community.
                  For more information:
                  http://members.aol.com/swdogclub/rarek9.htm
	 [I'm also subscribed to FlaDogRescue and naturallypet]

"My ONE-list"  http://www.onelist.com/myonelist

"Help" 	 http://www.onelist.com/help/

=================
Down the left side, are many options:
Community  German-Pinschers
  Main Page  http://www.onelist.com/community/German-Pinschers
Messages  Public archives, only members can post to the list.
Members  No member directory for public viewing. [121 members]
		 "Spamming" not allowed.
		 members need to complete profiles to be unmoderated
Files 	 Files area only open to moderators
	 after the commotion at e-groups, I want to learn how to
	 be able to delete files, before opening them up to all
	 the listmembers.  Both pictures and text will be available.
Calendar  Great place to list shows and seminars!!!
Surveys  The Surveys area offers a great way for moderators
	 to pose questions to a community and have the results
	 automatically tabulated. Moderators can create surveys about
	  any topic, and offer a single-choice or multiple-choice
	 question.
Links 	 For listmembers
Invite 	 For Moderator
Settings For Moderator
--
Warmly,  Joy LaCaille,
& George & the "Naturally Reared" Lakai German Pinschers
         ================================================
    ListOwner/Administrator/Moderator German Pinschers Maillist
ListOwner/Administrator/Moderator German Pinscher Rescue Maillist
         http://www.geocities.com/Petsburgh/Farm/5212/
ListOwner/Administrator/Moderator GPCA Rescue Maillist
         http://www.onelist.com/community/GPCA-Rescue
      NEW -- German Pinscher Club of America Rescue Webpage
         http://www.geocities.com/Petsburgh/Haven/7711

> From: "Angela Arias (GD 1998)" <arias@...>
> My name is Angela and I have a 8 mo. old German Pinscher named Blue.
<snip> Is your Nero a search and rescue (SAR) dog?  Our obedience
trainer said that she thought Blue might make a good SAR dog and I've
begun looking into it.  If Nero is an SAR dog I'd love to know more
about him.  If anyone has a SAR german pinscher I'd like to know.
> Angela Arias and now Blue

Hi Angela (and my boy Blue)

I'm so excited to hear that you might consider doing Search & Rescue
with Lakai Red to Blue Alkalu.  Should we tell everyone why his name
is "Blue?"  I have another "Blue" who lives in Finland, with Auli and
Juhani.  The day your litter of seven was born, I "marked" my male
*pick* puppy with a blue ribbon.  The *pick* female gets a pink one.
The rest of the litter get whatever color is left.  When there are
5 to 10 black and tan puppies, I like to weigh and know that each one
is "thriving" for the first few days.  Jr Intl CH Lakai World of Joy
is also black and tan, but had the honor of the blue ribbon the day
he was born.  That's their "call" name, till I find a better one,
but the color-collar names stuck.  (Usually the pick-at-birth stays
my *pick* as an adult, but that can change by so many factors)

I had two boys that had different color-collar names,
and the new owners independently picked a call name of "Luke."
One is a therapy dog being used in Sherry Cardinal's therapy practice.

I'd rather have my puppies grow up to be Champions of the Heart,
than champions of conformation (although I strive for some of those
in my breeding program, too).

I lost the address of the SAR (Search and Rescue) training group
during one of my too-many computer crashes.  I just found

http://www.inch.com/~dogs/service.html
Search and Rescue Dogs
National Association for Search and Rescue
P.O. Box 3709
Fairfax, VA 22038
(703)352-1349
=============
Rescue International, Disaster Response Team, SAR and
Disaster Training Programs
http://www.rescuenet.org/
Rescue International (RI) is a nonprofit organization of people and
companies that provide special search, rescue, and recovery services
and products to requesting agencies free of charge. RI's educational
programs are based on a foundation of experienced instructors teaching
students skills and providing information derived from hands on
experience and supported with a written program guide and/or manual.
RI has a number of Search Dog Training Programs that will train the
handler and dog to reach a minimum Canine Training Standard for each
area of operational ability.
=============
I'll do another search of the internet & see what else I come up with.

When they had the terrible bombing in Oklahoma a couple years ago,
I was considering donating one of my puppies to their program,
when I watched how the dogs pulled people out of the destroyed
building.  I think the German Pinschers would make excellent SAR
dogs.  They are searching for something all the time. (usually
hoping for a "rodent" in my lawn... they found a furry mole one
year, and they haven't stopped searching for another one, as the
holes and trenches can attest to.)

The German Pinschers are in the WORKING class of show dogs.
What kind of WORK do they do?  What titles (besides conformation
championships and obedience/agility) are available all over the
world for our furkids?  I know of at least one GP who has earned
a tracking title in the USA.

What kind of work does YOUR German Pinscher do around your home?

Angela, how do you find time, in your busy schedule, to train "Blue?"
--
Warmly,  Joy LaCaille,
& George & the "Naturally Reared" Lakai German Pinschers
         ================================================
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ListOwner/Administrator/Moderator German Pinscher Rescue Maillist
	 http://www.geocities.com/Petsburgh/Farm/5212/
ListOwner/Administrator/Moderator GPCA Rescue Maillist
	 http://www.onelist.com/community/GPCA-Rescue
      New German Pinscher Club of America Rescue Webpage
	 http://www.geocities.com/Petsburgh/Haven/7711

Dear Walter,

My name is Angela and I have a 8 mo. old German Pinscher named Blue.  I
looked at your web site and your Nero is adorable.  I saw a picture of a
weeekend in the woods and the caption said something about rescue dogs.
Is your Nero a search and rescue (SAR) dog?  Our obedience trainer said
that she thought Blue might make a good SAR dog and I've begun looking
into it.  If Nero is an SAR dog I'd love to know more about him.  If
anyone has a SAR german pinscher I'd like to know.

Angela Arias
and now Blue
arias@...

Dear Joy and others

I am a "habile" computer user, but this list is not the simplest and most logic
I have seen. But I think I can manage to learn it. After all "learning and
pedagogy" is my profession.

Some time ago JOy asked for some pix etc of GP Winners. In July my dog Pinbas
Nero won the annual special show for The Norwegian Schnauzer Pinscher Bouvier
Club.

you can find a picture of him at http://www.uio.no/~wfroyen/bilderny1.html

This is new pictures, one together with  his trophies.

Sincerely

Walter

In a message dated 10/6/99 9:57:31 PM Pacific Daylight Time, lakai@...
writes:

<< we had a video  tape program on therapy dogs working with the physically
impaired.  >>

On the Discovery Channel recently was a program about why dogs smile and
chimps cry--a very intriguing documentary.  I don't have a "story," per say
about my GPs specifically, but my dobe, Jake, was my soulmate and lifeline
during an illness back in 1993.  While suffering through a thyroid problem
and subsequently ending up with a drug-induced case of Lupus (which went away
once the doctors took me off the medicine causing the disease), Jake stayed
with me constantly, sleeping with his head on me or helping me get to the
car--my hands were so swollen and knarled--I needed his weight to help me.
So on a smaller scale, Jake was "my" therapy dog.  All of my dogs are <g>.

On the other side, I co-own a Pet Sitting Service--we provide a number of
"services" for pet owners.  One of those is "pet sitting."  I can have an
particularly "stressful day" with what "seems" to be full of insurmountable
problems, and going to people's homes and taking care of their pets--spending
quiet time playing with or just "hugging" them is total relaxation of my own
soul.  It is "almost" like they take away those problems and comfort me.

Though not disabled, I find that they are dogs of angels! :)

Try it sometime. . . it really works!  And you form a more lasting, close
bond with your pet--and as Joy pointed out--your soul gets "healing".

Susan Crawford
Zephyr Wind Kennels
Petersburg, VA
Ome3rd@...

Welcome, German Pinscher Maillist subscribers.
My records show that 119 members made the changeover to OneList.
I am "testing" the new maillist, but rather than send a "test" message,
I thought I would share this wonderful story with you.

Tonight at our local AKC kennel club meeting (I'm an officer and still
co-own a Miniature Pinscher who doesn't live with me), we had a video
tape program on therapy dogs working with the physically impaired. The
tape was about a Great Dane and a black Lab who help their Parkinsons
disease owners lead "independent" lives... walking in public places
where the owner couldn't go without their canine assistant.

I wonder how many GPs could do what the dog in the following story did?
I subscribe to the daily internet Chicken Soup for the Soul.  I also
bought a copy of "Chicken Soup for the Cat and Dog Lover’s Soul."
Does anyone have a story about their German Pinschers?

(Roger Caras is the "voice" on the annual Westminster Dog Show
that is broadcasted on television, every February)

		 OF DOGS AND ANGELS  by Roger Caras

      During my years in animal welfare work - I served as the president
of the American Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals — I
have heard wonderful stories about the power of the human-animal bond.
One of my favorites is about a girl and her very special dog.
      When the girl was born, her parents were stationed with the U.S.
Army overseas. The tiny baby spiked a fever of 106 degrees and when they
couldn’t help her at the military base, the baby and her family were
flown home to the United States where she could receive the proper
medical care.
      The alarming fever kept recurring, but the baby survived. When the
episode was over, the child was left with 13 different seizure causes,
including epilepsy. She had what was called Multiple Seizure Syndrome
and had several seizures every day. Sometimes she stopped breathing.
      As a result, the little girl could never be left alone. She grew to
be a teenager and if her mother had to go out, her father or brothers
had to accompany her everywhere, including to the bathroom, which was
awkward for everyone involved. But the risk of leaving her alone was too
great and so, for lack of a better solution, things went on in this way
for years.
      The girl and her family lived near a town where there was a
penitentiary for women. One of the programs there was a dog-training
program. The inmates were taught how to train dogs to 1) foster a sense
of competence and 2) as a job skill for the time when they left the
prison. Although most of the women had serious criminal backgrounds,
many made excellent dog trainers and often trained service dogs for the
handicapped while serving their time.
      The girl’s mother read about this program and contacted the
penitentiary to see if there was anything they could do for her
daughter. They had no idea how to train a dog to help a person in the
girl’s condition, but her family decided that a companion animal would
be good for the girl, as she had limited social opportunities and they
felt she would enjoy a dog’s company.
      The girl chose a random-bred dog named Queenie and, together with
the women at the prison, trained her to be an obedient pet.  But Queenie
had other plans. She became a "seizure-alert" dog, letting the girl know
when a seizure was coming on, so that the girl could be ready for it.
      I heard about Queenie’s amazing abilities and went to visit the
girl’s family and meet Queenie. At one point during my visit, Queenie
became agitated and took the girl’s wrist in her mouth and started
pulling her towards the living room couch. Her mother said, "Go on now.
Listen to what Queenie’s telling you."
      The girl went to the couch, curled up in a fetal position, facing
the back of the couch and within moments started to seize. The dog
jumped on the couch and wedged herself between the back of the couch and
the front of the girl’s body, placing her ear in front of the girl’s
mouth. Her family was used to this performance, but I watched in
open-mouthed astonishment as the girl finished seizing and Queenie
relaxed with her on the couch, wagging her tail and looking for all the
world like an ordinary dog, playing with her mistress.
      Then the girl and her dog went to the girl’s bedroom as her parents
and I went to the kitchen for coffee. A little while later, Queenie came
barreling down the hallway, barking. She did a U-turn in the kitchen and
then went racing back to the girl’s room.
      "She’s having a seizure," the mother told me. The girl’s father got
up, in what seemed to me a casual manner for someone whose daughter
often stopped breathing, and walked back to the bedroom after Queenie.
      My concern must have been evident on my face because the girl’s
mother smiled and said, "I know what you’re thinking, but you see,
that’s not the bark Queenie uses when my daughter stops breathing."
      I shook my head in amazement. Queenie, the self-taught angel,
proved to me once again how utterly foolish it is to suppose that
animals don’t think or can’t communicate.

Roger Caras
Chicken Soup for the Dog & Cat Lover’s Soul
by Jack Canfield, Mark Victor Hansen,
Marty Becker, D.V.M. and Carol Kline
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     & George & the "Naturally Reared" Lakai German Pinschers
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Welcome to the German Pinschers Maillist.

This maillist was created so that German Pinscher lovers around
the world will continue to have a place to gather and talk about
this rare and wonderful breed.   This is the SAME maillist that
Tero and Mari hosted from Finland from 1996-1999. Tero and Mari
graduated from the University of Helsinki, Finland, and their
list and archives have been shut down.

Description:
The German Pinschers Maillist is a forum to discuss the history,
description, and behavior of the German Pinschers.  Stories of
litters, dog-show activities, rescue, dog-legislation, training,
health, bereavement support, poems, jokes, and what it's like to
live with a German Pinscher are shared by German Pinscher lovers
all over the world.

The German Pinscher Around the World Webpage has written
descriptions and pictures of Pinschers (GP, MinPin, & Dobe), a
directory of GP owners & breeders, and new pages being added on
health, dog show events, training, and a photo gallery.  This
*Gateway* webpage to German Pinschers Around the World, German
Pinscher Rescue, & the GPCA-Rescue Maillists can be found at:

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If you would like to get involved with international rescues...
meaning, we are "networking" for German Pinschers not only here
in America where I live, but all over the world...
Please join the German Pinscher Rescue Maillist.

to subscribe to the german-pinscher-rescue Mail-list,
Send an e-mail to ... MailTo: majordom-@...
in the body of the e-mail composition window, type:
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German Pinscher Rescue Maillist also has a webpage
http://www.geocities.com/Petsburgh/Farm/5212/
Consider being a "contact" in your local area for lost/needy GPs.
We need your support in helpling the dogs who didn't find a home,
for LIFE... or got lost...
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A NEW maillist and webpage have been created for German Pinscher
Club of America Rescue:  http://www.geocities.com/Petsburgh/Haven/7711

Onelist.com Community email addresses for GPCA-Rescue:
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Purpose: GPCA-Rescue (German Pinscher Club of America Rescue) is a
"networking" group of GPCA Volunteers who identify, evaluate, vet-check,
rehabilitate, foster, transport and adopt pure-bred German Pinschers in
America.  The list is moderated.  Only GPCA rescue-volunteers can
subscribe and post or read the mail.

This maillist will work with the German Pinschers Rescue Maillist
which is not affiliated with any country or club, and will network
to help rescue all pinschers -- purebred or mixed-breeds
(GP, MinPin, or Dobe).