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#48346 From: "jungle_cat80" <psych_1@...>
Date: Thu Apr 5, 2012 12:47 pm
Subject: Vet issue 		jungle_cat80
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I need some tips to help me out for next time we have a vet out.  I appologize
that this is so long.

The last three years we have had problems when the vet comes out.  One was fine,
but the other two freaked out.  Of these two that freaked, Apache, used to be
good, just a bit nervous his early years with shots due to all the ones he had a
baby when he had pnemonia as an orphan foal.  However, we got him over this and
so he was just fine for the vet.  Unfortunately over the last 3 years he has
become very hard to handle when the vet is out and needs to be twitched.  He
literally throws himself back against the lead as soon as my vet walks towards
him and becomes a danger to himself and others with the way he fights to get
away.  Its the same vet he has had for all of his life.  I tried to tell my vet
it only happens when he is around but he told me that is bull and gave me a huge
lecture.

He tells me its socializing issues and I need him out more - yet we've had this
horse trail riding all over the place and even had him at the Kentucky horse
park this past fall with strangers walking up and petting him and carriages all
around during the national drive and he handled it all just fine.  The only time
we see this reaction is when the vet is out.

The other one that had an issue is Rascal.  He came to me a couple years back as
an underweight/unhandled/practically wild yearling and he has come a long way. 
He is now 3.  My vet has had problems with him the very first time he was out -
only 2 weeks after we brought him home, and to get control of the freaking out
young colt he pinned him against the wall (he was only 12.2 at the time) and ear
twitched him.  Now my typically calm horse that follows me everywhere and is
sweet as can be actually struck out at my vet and vigerously tosses his head
anytime my vet gets near him.  He even tried to jump the hitching post to
escape.  Again, I don't see this reaction around anyone else.

My vet says its not him - they are just not trained and socialized.  Now true,
Rascal needs more but he is just geting put under saddle so that will come as we
get him out  more.

My vet wants me to tie up a front leg on each of them with a belt and have them
waiting like that for the next time he is out (which sounds dangerous to me and
just crazy considering he rarely is out on time so they would be standing like
that for who knows how long).  I will not do this and I think it will be the end
of our relationship.  I already have a couple recommendations for other vets in
the area that I have been told are more gentle and tolerant of horses and not so
conforontational with them.  But in the meantime, what else can I do to get them
accepting of a vet?  I've had a couple people out here since and they were both
accepting and curious of new people so I don't think its fear of people they
don't know.

They both have had the bonder done repeatedly and Rascal rarely need it because
as soon as he seems me he comes up to my side and follows me everywhere.  Very
much a "Whatever I can do for you ma'am" type of horse wanting to please.  He
just completely loses it when he sees my vet.

Thanks for any tips,

Jessie

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#48347 From: "Rossin, Keria" <krossin@...>
Date: Thu Apr 5, 2012 12:55 pm
Subject: RE: Vet issue 		karia0429
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Well, sounds pretty person specific.  It might be worth your while to just have another vet come out and see how they react.  Do you need Coggins done or anything.  Personally if someone twitched me and slammed me up against a wall I would not be happy to see him.

 

My other thought is this on Apache… what kind of shots are you doing?  If you are doing the 6-way it is hard on their systems and it may be a function of him seeing the vet and putting that together with feeling pretty crappy afterwards. 

 

I am not a big believer in shots if I don’t need them.  I would rather get some titers pulled and see what they need in the way of antibodies.  You might look into that.  And again, you might have a different vet come out and just pull some blood  - something benign to see what reaction they are having.

 

If you have desensitized them with strangers I’m not sure what else you can do.  And if your friends are recommending ‘gentler more tolerant vets’ then there is something they are saying there.  And I would NOT tie up anyone’s leg.  That is not going to make the problem go away.  It will just make it worse.  I think you vet needs to garner a better stall-side manner or maybe you can tie his leg up?

 

And this is all just my opinion.

 

Regards

Keria

 

From: MarvWalkerHorses@yahoogroups.com [mailto:MarvWalkerHorses@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of jungle_cat80
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2012 8:48 AM
To: MarvWalkerHorses@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [MarvWalkerHorses] Vet issue

 

 

I need some tips to help me out for next time we have a vet out. I appologize that this is so long.

The last three years we have had problems when the vet comes out. One was fine, but the other two freaked out. Of these two that freaked, Apache, used to be good, just a bit nervous his early years with shots due to all the ones he had a baby when he had pnemonia as an orphan foal. However, we got him over this and so he was just fine for the vet. Unfortunately over the last 3 years he has become very hard to handle when the vet is out and needs to be twitched. He literally throws himself back against the lead as soon as my vet walks towards him and becomes a danger to himself and others with the way he fights to get away. Its the same vet he has had for all of his life. I tried to tell my vet it only happens when he is around but he told me that is bull and gave me a huge lecture.

He tells me its socializing issues and I need him out more - yet we've had this horse trail riding all over the place and even had him at the Kentucky horse park this past fall with strangers walking up and petting him and carriages all around during the national drive and he handled it all just fine. The only time we see this reaction is when the vet is out.

The other one that had an issue is Rascal. He came to me a couple years back as an underweight/unhandled/practically wild yearling and he has come a long way. He is now 3. My vet has had problems with him the very first time he was out - only 2 weeks after we brought him home, and to get control of the freaking out young colt he pinned him against the wall (he was only 12.2 at the time) and ear twitched him. Now my typically calm horse that follows me everywhere and is sweet as can be actually struck out at my vet and vigerously tosses his head anytime my vet gets near him. He even tried to jump the hitching post to escape. Again, I don't see this reaction around anyone else.

My vet says its not him - they are just not trained and socialized. Now true, Rascal needs more but he is just geting put under saddle so that will come as we get him out more.

My vet wants me to tie up a front leg on each of them with a belt and have them waiting like that for the next time he is out (which sounds dangerous to me and just crazy considering he rarely is out on time so they would be standing like that for who knows how long). I will not do this and I think it will be the end of our relationship. I already have a couple recommendations for other vets in the area that I have been told are more gentle and tolerant of horses and not so conforontational with them. But in the meantime, what else can I do to get them accepting of a vet? I've had a couple people out here since and they were both accepting and curious of new people so I don't think its fear of people they don't know.

They both have had the bonder done repeatedly and Rascal rarely need it because as soon as he seems me he comes up to my side and follows me everywhere. Very much a "Whatever I can do for you ma'am" type of horse wanting to please. He just completely loses it when he sees my vet.

Thanks for any tips,

Jessie

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#48348 From: cherie <kd4nvd@...>
Date: Thu Apr 5, 2012 12:57 pm
Subject: Re: Vet issue 		kd4nvd
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First thing would be to find another Vet....no bedside manner...





>I need some tips to help me out for next time we have a vet out.  I
>appologize that this is so long.
>
>   Unfortunately over the last 3 years he has become very hard to handle
> when the vet is out and needs to be twitched.
>
>The other one that had an issue is Rascal.  He came to me a couple years
>back as an underweight/unhandled/practically wild yearling and he has come
>a long way.  He is now 3.  My vet has had problems with him the very first
>time he was out - only 2 weeks after we brought him home, and to get
>control of the freaking out young colt he pinned him against the wall (he
>was only 12.2 at the time) and ear twitched him.

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#48349 From: "jungle_cat80" <psych_1@...>
Date: Thu Apr 5, 2012 1:18 pm
Subject: Re: Vet issue 		jungle_cat80
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We just had coggins and shots done and that is when all this happened.  We give
WNV-EWT (a 4-way) and Rabies to our horses.  Do you think this is too much at
once?

Thanks for feedback,

Jessie

--- In MarvWalkerHorses@yahoogroups.com, "Rossin, Keria" <krossin@...> wrote:
>
> Well, sounds pretty person specific.  It might be worth your while to just
have another vet come out and see how they react.  Do you need Coggins done or
anything.  Personally if someone twitched me and slammed me up against a wall I
would not be happy to see him.
>
> My other thought is this on Apache... what kind of shots are you doing?  If
you are doing the 6-way it is hard on their systems and it may be a function of
him seeing the vet and putting that together with feeling pretty crappy
afterwards.
>
> I am not a big believer in shots if I don't need them.  I would rather get
some titers pulled and see what they need in the way of antibodies.  You might
look into that.  And again, you might have a different vet come out and just
pull some blood  - something benign to see what reaction they are having.
>
> If you have desensitized them with strangers I'm not sure what else you can
do.  And if your friends are recommending 'gentler more tolerant vets' then
there is something they are saying there.  And I would NOT tie up anyone's leg. 
That is not going to make the problem go away.  It will just make it worse.  I
think you vet needs to garner a better stall-side manner or maybe you can tie
his leg up?
>
> And this is all just my opinion.
>
> Regards
> Keria

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#48350 From: castleeden2@...
Date: Thu Apr 5, 2012 1:27 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Vet issue 		shiregirl2004
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 Julie Howard, CMT
Healing Touch Therapeutic Massage
9242A Mosby Street
Manassas, Va 20110
703-530-0100


-----Original Message-----
From: jungle_cat80 <psych_1@...>
To: MarvWalkerHorses <MarvWalkerHorses@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thu, Apr 5, 2012 9:18 am
Subject: [MarvWalkerHorses] Re: Vet issue

 

We just had coggins and shots done and that is when all this happened. We give WNV-EWT (a 4-way) and Rabies to our horses. Do you think this is too much at once?

Thanks for feedback,

Jessie

--- In MarvWalkerHorses@yahoogroups.com, "Rossin, Keria" <krossin@...> wrote:
>
> Well, sounds pretty person specific. It might be worth your while to just have another vet come out and see how they react. Do you need Coggins done or anything. Personally if someone twitched me and slammed me up against a wall I would not be happy to see him.
>
> My other thought is this on Apache... what kind of shots are you doing? If you are doing the 6-way it is hard on their systems and it may be a function of him seeing the vet and putting that together with feeling pretty crappy afterwards.
>
> I am not a big believer in shots if I don't need them. I would rather get some titers pulled and see what they need in the way of antibodies. You might look into that. And again, you might have a different vet come out and just pull some blood - something benign to see what reaction they are having.
>
> If you have desensitized them with strangers I'm not sure what else you can do. And if your friends are recommending 'gentler more tolerant vets' then there is something they are saying there. And I would NOT tie up anyone's leg. That is not going to make the problem go away. It will just make it worse. I think you vet needs to garner a better stall-side manner or maybe you can tie his leg up?
>
> And this is all just my opinion.
>
> Regards
> Keria


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#48351 From: castleeden2@...
Date: Thu Apr 5, 2012 1:29 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Vet issue 		shiregirl2004
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this is just my opinion but, yes, I think that's too much at once!  Cant you get your own vaccines? and give your own shots?  If I gave a lot of vaccines to my cavaliers, they would seizure and die...
Apparently, your horse is frightened of this vet --  maybe you could get a female vet?
julie

 Julie Howard, CMT
Healing Touch Therapeutic Massage
9242A Mosby Street
Manassas, Va 20110
703-530-0100


-----Original Message-----
From: jungle_cat80 <psych_1@...>
To: MarvWalkerHorses <MarvWalkerHorses@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thu, Apr 5, 2012 9:18 am
Subject: [MarvWalkerHorses] Re: Vet issue

 

We just had coggins and shots done and that is when all this happened. We give WNV-EWT (a 4-way) and Rabies to our horses. Do you think this is too much at once?

Thanks for feedback,

Jessie

--- In MarvWalkerHorses@yahoogroups.com, "Rossin, Keria" <krossin@...> wrote:
>
> Well, sounds pretty person specific. It might be worth your while to just have another vet come out and see how they react. Do you need Coggins done or anything. Personally if someone twitched me and slammed me up against a wall I would not be happy to see him.
>
> My other thought is this on Apache... what kind of shots are you doing? If you are doing the 6-way it is hard on their systems and it may be a function of him seeing the vet and putting that together with feeling pretty crappy afterwards.
>
> I am not a big believer in shots if I don't need them. I would rather get some titers pulled and see what they need in the way of antibodies. You might look into that. And again, you might have a different vet come out and just pull some blood - something benign to see what reaction they are having.
>
> If you have desensitized them with strangers I'm not sure what else you can do. And if your friends are recommending 'gentler more tolerant vets' then there is something they are saying there. And I would NOT tie up anyone's leg. That is not going to make the problem go away. It will just make it worse. I think you vet needs to garner a better stall-side manner or maybe you can tie his leg up?
>
> And this is all just my opinion.
>
> Regards
> Keria


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#48352 From: "Rossin, Keria" <krossin@...>
Date: Thu Apr 5, 2012 1:35 pm
Subject: RE: Re: Vet issue 		karia0429
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I think so  but then that is just my opinion.  Rabies I do separately – like a month later.

 

From: MarvWalkerHorses@yahoogroups.com [mailto:MarvWalkerHorses@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of jungle_cat80
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2012 9:18 AM
To: MarvWalkerHorses@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [MarvWalkerHorses] Re: Vet issue

 

 


We just had coggins and shots done and that is when all this happened. We give WNV-EWT (a 4-way) and Rabies to our horses. Do you think this is too much at once?

Thanks for feedback,

Jessie

--- In MarvWalkerHorses@yahoogroups.com, "Rossin, Keria" <krossin@...> wrote:
>
> Well, sounds pretty person specific. It might be worth your while to just have another vet come out and see how they react. Do you need Coggins done or anything. Personally if someone twitched me and slammed me up against a wall I would not be happy to see him.
>
> My other thought is this on Apache... what kind of shots are you doing? If you are doing the 6-way it is hard on their systems and it may be a function of him seeing the vet and putting that together with feeling pretty crappy afterwards.
>
> I am not a big believer in shots if I don't need them. I would rather get some titers pulled and see what they need in the way of antibodies. You might look into that. And again, you might have a different vet come out and just pull some blood - something benign to see what reaction they are having.
>
> If you have desensitized them with strangers I'm not sure what else you can do. And if your friends are recommending 'gentler more tolerant vets' then there is something they are saying there. And I would NOT tie up anyone's leg. That is not going to make the problem go away. It will just make it worse. I think you vet needs to garner a better stall-side manner or maybe you can tie his leg up?
>
> And this is all just my opinion.
>
> Regards
> Keria

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#48353 From: "jungle_cat80" <psych_1@...>
Date: Thu Apr 5, 2012 2:11 pm
Subject: Re: Vet issue 		jungle_cat80
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I wish, but we have no female large-animal vets in the area.

Jessie

--- In MarvWalkerHorses@yahoogroups.com, castleeden2@... wrote:
>
> this is just my opinion but, yes, I think that's too much at once!  Cant you
get your own vaccines? and give your own shots?  If I gave a lot of vaccines to
my cavaliers, they would seizure and die...
> Apparently, your horse is frightened of this vet --  maybe you could get a
female vet?
> julie
>
>
>  Julie Howard, CMT
> Healing Touch Therapeutic Massage
> 9242A Mosby Street
> Manassas, Va 20110
> 703-530-0100
>

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#48354 From: "jungle_cat80" <psych_1@...>
Date: Thu Apr 5, 2012 2:12 pm
Subject: Re: Vet issue 		jungle_cat80
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Vets have to do Rabies in our area, but I could order and do WNV-EWT seperate. 
I just hate giving shots.

Jessie

--- In MarvWalkerHorses@yahoogroups.com, "Rossin, Keria" <krossin@...> wrote:
>
> I think so  but then that is just my opinion.  Rabies I do separately - like a
month later.
>
> From: MarvWalkerHorses@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:MarvWalkerHorses@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of jungle_cat80
> Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2012 9:18 AM
> To: MarvWalkerHorses@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [MarvWalkerHorses] Re: Vet issue
>
>
>
> We just had coggins and shots done and that is when all this happened. We give
WNV-EWT (a 4-way) and Rabies to our horses. Do you think this is too much at
once?
>
> Thanks for feedback,
>
> Jessie
>
> --- In
MarvWalkerHorses@yahoogroups.com<mailto:MarvWalkerHorses%40yahoogroups.com>,
"Rossin, Keria" <krossin@> wrote:
> >
> > Well, sounds pretty person specific. It might be worth your while to just
have another vet come out and see how they react. Do you need Coggins done or
anything. Personally if someone twitched me and slammed me up against a wall I
would not be happy to see him.
> >
> > My other thought is this on Apache... what kind of shots are you doing? If
you are doing the 6-way it is hard on their systems and it may be a function of
him seeing the vet and putting that together with feeling pretty crappy
afterwards.
> >
> > I am not a big believer in shots if I don't need them. I would rather get
some titers pulled and see what they need in the way of antibodies. You might
look into that. And again, you might have a different vet come out and just pull
some blood - something benign to see what reaction they are having.
> >
> > If you have desensitized them with strangers I'm not sure what else you can
do. And if your friends are recommending 'gentler more tolerant vets' then there
is something they are saying there. And I would NOT tie up anyone's leg. That is
not going to make the problem go away. It will just make it worse. I think you
vet needs to garner a better stall-side manner or maybe you can tie his leg up?
> >
> > And this is all just my opinion.
> >
> > Regards
> > Keria
>
> **********************************************************
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>

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#48355 From: "Nancy or MaryAnne" <NMALEC@...>
Date: Thu Apr 5, 2012 2:24 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Vet issue 		graysnbays11
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BTW, just because they are female doesn't mean they are better with animals
or care more then their male counterparts.
----- Original Message -----
From: "jungle_cat80" <psych_1@...>
To: <MarvWalkerHorses@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2012 10:11 AM
Subject: [MarvWalkerHorses] Re: Vet issue


>I wish, but we have no female large-animal vets in the area.
>
> Jessie
>
> --- In MarvWalkerHorses@yahoogroups.com, castleeden2@... wrote:
>>
>> this is just my opinion but, yes, I think that's too much at once!  Cant
>> you get your own vaccines? and give your own shots?  If I gave a lot of
>> vaccines to my cavaliers, they would seizure and die...
>> Apparently, your horse is frightened of this vet --  maybe you could get
>> a female vet?
>> julie
>>
>>
>>  Julie Howard, CMT
>> Healing Touch Therapeutic Massage
>> 9242A Mosby Street
>> Manassas, Va 20110
>> 703-530-0100
>>
>
>
>
>
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>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
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#48356 From: "jungle_cat80" <psych_1@...>
Date: Thu Apr 5, 2012 2:32 pm
Subject: Re: Vet issue 		jungle_cat80
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You are correct.


--- In MarvWalkerHorses@yahoogroups.com, "Nancy or MaryAnne" <NMALEC@...> wrote:
>
> BTW, just because they are female doesn't mean they are better with animals
> or care more then their male counterparts.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "jungle_cat80" <psych_1@...>
> To: <MarvWalkerHorses@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2012 10:11 AM
> Subject: [MarvWalkerHorses] Re: Vet issue
>
>
> >I wish, but we have no female large-animal vets in the area.
> >
> > Jessie
> >
> > --- In MarvWalkerHorses@yahoogroups.com, castleeden2@ wrote:
> >>
> >> this is just my opinion but, yes, I think that's too much at once!  Cant
> >> you get your own vaccines? and give your own shots?  If I gave a lot of
> >> vaccines to my cavaliers, they would seizure and die...
> >> Apparently, your horse is frightened of this vet --  maybe you could get
> >> a female vet?
> >> julie
> >>
> >>
> >>  Julie Howard, CMT
> >> Healing Touch Therapeutic Massage
> >> 9242A Mosby Street
> >> Manassas, Va 20110
> >> 703-530-0100
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
>

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#48357 From: "EVE HADLOCK" <sunarab@...>
Date: Thu Apr 5, 2012 2:44 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Vet issue 		sunrisefarm
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I think that vet  has had a frightening experience with a horse and now uses precautionary practices to save himself of getting hurt. 
 
 
 
 
-------Original Message-------
 
Date: 4/5/2012 7:29:58 AM
Subject: Re: [MarvWalkerHorses] Re: Vet issue
 
 

this is just my opinion but, yes, I think that's too much at once!  Cant you get your own vaccines? and give your own shots?  If I gave a lot of vaccines to my cavaliers, they would seizure and die...

Apparently, your horse is frightened of this vet --  maybe you could get a female vet?
julie

 Julie Howard, CMT
Healing Touch Therapeutic Massage
9242A Mosby Street
Manassas, Va 20110
703-530-0100


-----Original Message-----
From: jungle_cat80 <psych_1@...>
To: MarvWalkerHorses <MarvWalkerHorses@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thu, Apr 5, 2012 9:18 am
Subject: [MarvWalkerHorses] Re: Vet issue

 

We just had coggins and shots done and that is when all this happened. We give WNV-EWT (a 4-way) and Rabies to our horses. Do you think this is too much at once?

Thanks for feedback,

Jessie

--- In MarvWalkerHorses@yahoogroups.com, "Rossin, Keria" <krossin@...> wrote:
>
> Well, sounds pretty person specific. It might be worth your while to just have another vet come out and see how they react. Do you need Coggins done or anything. Personally if someone twitched me and slammed me up against a wall I would not be happy to see him.
>
> My other thought is this on Apache... what kind of shots are you doing? If you are doing the 6-way it is hard on their systems and it may be a function of him seeing the vet and putting that together with feeling pretty crappy afterwards.
>
> I am not a big believer in shots if I don't need them. I would rather get some titers pulled and see what they need in the way of antibodies. You might look into that. And again, you might have a different vet come out and just pull some blood - something benign to see what reaction they are having.
>
> If you have desensitized them with strangers I'm not sure what else you can do. And if your friends are recommending 'gentler more tolerant vets' then there is something they are saying there. And I would NOT tie up anyone's leg. That is not going to make the problem go away. It will just make it worse. I think you vet needs to garner a better stall-side manner or maybe you can tie his leg up?
>
> And this is all just my opinion.
>
> Regards
> Keria

 

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#48358 From: Jeanniedee@...
Date: Thu Apr 5, 2012 3:09 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Vet issue 		smoothspots38
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Also, you can't blame the vet for refusing to put himself in danger. Whatever the issue is (him or the horse) he can refuse to treat the horse if it isn't safe to do so.

~Jean~

Everything that lives,
Lives not alone, nor for itself. 
-- William Blake, from Book of Thel


-----Original Message-----
From: EVE HADLOCK <sunarab@...>
To: MarvWalkerHorses <MarvWalkerHorses@yahoogroups.com>
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I think that vet  has had a frightening experience with a horse and now uses precautionary practices to save himself of getting hurt. 
 
 
 
 
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Date: 4/5/2012 7:29:58 AM
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this is just my opinion but, yes, I think that's too much at once!  Cant you get your own vaccines? and give your own shots?  If I gave a lot of vaccines to my cavaliers, they would seizure and die...
Apparently, your horse is frightened of this vet --  maybe you could get a female vet?
julie

 Julie Howard, CMT
Healing Touch Therapeutic Massage
9242A Mosby Street
Manassas, Va 20110
703-530-0100


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From: jungle_cat80 <psych_1@...>
To: MarvWalkerHorses <MarvWalkerHorses@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thu, Apr 5, 2012 9:18 am
Subject: [MarvWalkerHorses] Re: Vet issue

 

We just had coggins and shots done and that is when all this happened. We give WNV-EWT (a 4-way) and Rabies to our horses. Do you think this is too much at once?

Thanks for feedback,

Jessie

--- In MarvWalkerHorses@yahoogroups.com, "Rossin, Keria" <krossin@...> wrote:
>
> Well, sounds pretty person specific. It might be worth your while to just have another vet come out and see how they react. Do you need Coggins done or anything. Personally if someone twitched me and slammed me up against a wall I would not be happy to see him.
>
> My other thought is this on Apache... what kind of shots are you doing? If you are doing the 6-way it is hard on their systems and it may be a function of him seeing the vet and putting that together with feeling pretty crappy afterwards.
>
> I am not a big believer in shots if I don't need them. I would rather get some titers pulled and see what they need in the way of antibodies. You might look into that. And again, you might have a different vet come out and just pull some blood - something benign to see what reaction they are having.
>
> If you have desensitized them with strangers I'm not sure what else you can do. And if your friends are recommending 'gentler more tolerant vets' then there is something they are saying there. And I would NOT tie up anyone's leg. That is not going to make the problem go away. It will just make it worse. I think you vet needs to garner a better stall-side manner or maybe you can tie his leg up?
>
> And this is all just my opinion.
>
> Regards
> Keria
 



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#48359 From: "EVE HADLOCK" <sunarab@...>
Date: Thu Apr 5, 2012 3:39 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Vet issue 		sunrisefarm
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That is so true.  Owners need to have their horses desensitized to everyday experiences as well as routine vet calls.  You cant prepare for the abnormal and you don't have to use a vet or farrier who use extreme measures to treat or work on your horse.  Get a horses familiar with a vet so they know them.  We do all our own vetting.  Hubby has the educational background to be a vet tech so that helps us a lot  as well as being a farrier.  We are a do all family.  We start a training horse today after 10 yrs of being retired.  Hurray.  This should be interesting starting a 4 yr old stallion who has had limited handling but well imprinted.  Gotta go.. 
 
 
 
 
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Date: 4/5/2012 9:10:16 AM
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Also, you can't blame the vet for refusing to put himself in danger. Whatever the issue is (him or the horse) he can refuse to treat the horse if it isn't safe to do so.

~Jean~

Everything that lives,
Lives not alone, nor for itself. 
-- William Blake, from Book of Thel


-----Original Message-----
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To: MarvWalkerHorses <MarvWalkerHorses@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thu, Apr 5, 2012 9:44 am
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I think that vet  has had a frightening experience with a horse and now uses precautionary practices to save himself of getting hurt. 
 
 
 
 
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Date: 4/5/2012 7:29:58 AM
Subject: Re: [MarvWalkerHorses] Re: Vet issue
 
 
this is just my opinion but, yes, I think that's too much at once!  Cant you get your own vaccines? and give your own shots?  If I gave a lot of vaccines to my cavaliers, they would seizure and die...
Apparently, your horse is frightened of this vet --  maybe you could get a female vet?
julie

 Julie Howard, CMT
Healing Touch Therapeutic Massage
9242A Mosby Street
Manassas, Va 20110
703-530-0100


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From: jungle_cat80 <psych_1@...>
To: MarvWalkerHorses <MarvWalkerHorses@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thu, Apr 5, 2012 9:18 am
Subject: [MarvWalkerHorses] Re: Vet issue

 

We just had coggins and shots done and that is when all this happened. We give WNV-EWT (a 4-way) and Rabies to our horses. Do you think this is too much at once?

Thanks for feedback,

Jessie

--- In MarvWalkerHorses@yahoogroups.com, "Rossin, Keria" <krossin@...> wrote:
>
> Well, sounds pretty person specific. It might be worth your while to just have another vet come out and see how they react. Do you need Coggins done or anything. Personally if someone twitched me and slammed me up against a wall I would not be happy to see him.
>
> My other thought is this on Apache... what kind of shots are you doing? If you are doing the 6-way it is hard on their systems and it may be a function of him seeing the vet and putting that together with feeling pretty crappy afterwards.
>
> I am not a big believer in shots if I don't need them. I would rather get some titers pulled and see what they need in the way of antibodies. You might look into that. And again, you might have a different vet come out and just pull some blood - something benign to see what reaction they are having.
>
> If you have desensitized them with strangers I'm not sure what else you can do. And if your friends are recommending 'gentler more tolerant vets' then there is something they are saying there. And I would NOT tie up anyone's leg. That is not going to make the problem go away. It will just make it worse. I think you vet needs to garner a better stall-side manner or maybe you can tie his leg up?
>
> And this is all just my opinion.
>
> Regards
> Keria
 

 

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#48360 From: Lea Zukas <leadfw@...>
Date: Thu Apr 5, 2012 3:49 pm
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Haven't read anyone else's responses yet, but I'm sure they're all saying the same thing:  it's not your horses, it's the vet!!

From your description, it sounds like the horses are socialized just fine. But your vet sounds very rough and VERY close minded. You are with those horses every day -- who knows them better than you??  The fact that he won't listen to you tells me all I need to know. (And the fact that they only react to him says quite a lot, too.)

You already have the recommendations -- I think you should find yourself another vet!



Lea

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On Apr 5, 2012, at 7:47 AM, "jungle_cat80" <psych_1@...> wrote:

 

I need some tips to help me out for next time we have a vet out. I appologize that this is so long.

The last three years we have had problems when the vet comes out. One was fine, but the other two freaked out. Of these two that freaked, Apache, used to be good, just a bit nervous his early years with shots due to all the ones he had a baby when he had pnemonia as an orphan foal. However, we got him over this and so he was just fine for the vet. Unfortunately over the last 3 years he has become very hard to handle when the vet is out and needs to be twitched. He literally throws himself back against the lead as soon as my vet walks towards him and becomes a danger to himself and others with the way he fights to get away. Its the same vet he has had for all of his life. I tried to tell my vet it only happens when he is around but he told me that is bull and gave me a huge lecture.

He tells me its socializing issues and I need him out more - yet we've had this horse trail riding all over the place and even had him at the Kentucky horse park this past fall with strangers walking up and petting him and carriages all around during the national drive and he handled it all just fine. The only time we see this reaction is when the vet is out.

The other one that had an issue is Rascal. He came to me a couple years back as an underweight/unhandled/practically wild yearling and he has come a long way. He is now 3. My vet has had problems with him the very first time he was out - only 2 weeks after we brought him home, and to get control of the freaking out young colt he pinned him against the wall (he was only 12.2 at the time) and ear twitched him. Now my typically calm horse that follows me everywhere and is sweet as can be actually struck out at my vet and vigerously tosses his head anytime my vet gets near him. He even tried to jump the hitching post to escape. Again, I don't see this reaction around anyone else.

My vet says its not him - they are just not trained and socialized. Now true, Rascal needs more but he is just geting put under saddle so that will come as we get him out more.

My vet wants me to tie up a front leg on each of them with a belt and have them waiting like that for the next time he is out (which sounds dangerous to me and just crazy considering he rarely is out on time so they would be standing like that for who knows how long). I will not do this and I think it will be the end of our relationship. I already have a couple recommendations for other vets in the area that I have been told are more gentle and tolerant of horses and not so conforontational with them. But in the meantime, what else can I do to get them accepting of a vet? I've had a couple people out here since and they were both accepting and curious of new people so I don't think its fear of people they don't know.

They both have had the bonder done repeatedly and Rascal rarely need it because as soon as he seems me he comes up to my side and follows me everywhere. Very much a "Whatever I can do for you ma'am" type of horse wanting to please. He just completely loses it when he sees my vet.

Thanks for any tips,

Jessie

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#48361 From: castleeden2@...
Date: Thu Apr 5, 2012 3:59 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Vet issue 		shiregirl2004
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I kno that but the horse may associate his frightening experience with a man who is examining him -- just suggesting something different,
j
BTW, just because they are female doesn't mean they are better with animals
or care more then their male counterparts.


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BTW, just because they are female doesn't mean they are better with animals
or care more then their male counterparts.
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>I wish, but we have no female large-animal vets in the area.
>
> Jessie
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>> this is just my opinion but, yes, I think that's too much at once! Cant
>> you get your own vaccines? and give your own shots? If I gave a lot of
>> vaccines to my cavaliers, they would seizure and die...
>> Apparently, your horse is frightened of this vet -- maybe you could get
>> a female vet?
>> julie
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>>
>> Julie Howard, CMT
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>> 9242A Mosby Street
>> Manassas, Va 20110
>> 703-530-0100
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#48362 From: "jungle_cat80" <psych_1@...>
Date: Thu Apr 5, 2012 4:00 pm
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I really don't think that is the issue with this vet.

We are in a bit of a back-woods area and old cowboy methods are ever present
around here.  For example - the last local person who was telling me how to
"properly" break a horse to saddle told me I'm doing it all wrong.  Gotta take
them out to the middle of a very boggy pond and jump on.  Let the horse buck it
out and he will tire quickly.  Once the buck is out, then ride the crap out of
him.  Then a neighbor told me I round pen incorrectly because my horses weren't
sweaty enough (we were doing the bonder and the horse had done it before and
within a few minutes already had the head lowered,etc) - but you are supposed to
round pen them until they are about to drop.  That is all they know and learn
from - the lack of oxygen.  Its really just the local mentality.

What I've honestly seen with this vet is as his practice has grown (I started
with him when he was fairly new to having his own practice) he has gotten less
patient with the animals and takes less time with them.  He wants to be in and
out and be done where when he first started he would actually sweet talk and pet
on them and let them get used to him first.  In fact the only horse here that
doesn't have a problem with him is the one he pets on - and that is because he
really likes the breed.

But anyway - that's not the point of this.  I just need more tips on how to get
them accepting of the next vet I bring in.  I really think these 2 have a
conditioned response to this vet now (especially considering Apaches reaction as
soon as the vet even steps towards him) and even if he changes, unless he comes
out so I can use him for desensitization, I don't think how they react to him is
going to change.

Also, what do you guys think of a vet smelling different possibly causing the
reaction?  This vet said that is hogwash because he has another customer that
has horses that react like this and blamed it on the smell and he said its not
true.

Thanks everyone for the feedback, it is appreciated.

Jessie

--- In MarvWalkerHorses@yahoogroups.com, "EVE HADLOCK" <sunarab@...> wrote:
>
> I think that vet  has had a frightening experience with a horse and now uses
> precautionary practices to save himself of getting hurt.
>

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#48363 From: "Rossin, Keria" <krossin@...>
Date: Thu Apr 5, 2012 4:07 pm
Subject: RE: Re: Vet issue 		karia0429
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Eve I agree with most of what you say but I have seen farriers/vets that cause problems where there haven’t been any.  I had a farrier one time who was very good.  I had him trim my little pony (10 hh).  In the process of trimming him the pony started nosing the farrier’s back pocket – the place where I usually kept my treats for him.  The farrier turned around – he had a rasp in his hand and beat that pony 4 or 5 times with it.  I’m not just talking smack, I’m talking hit full force.  Needless to say I was both aghast and so shocked I didn’t react fast enough.  He finished trimming his hooves and I never had him back after – that was 10 years ago.  At that time I made a vow to myself that anyone who does not have enough skill/savvy to deal with an animal by any way other than force does not deserve to work on my animals nor get any portion of my paycheck.

 

k

 

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To: MarvWalkerHorses@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [MarvWalkerHorses] Re: Vet issue

 

 

That is so true.  Owners need to have their horses desensitized to everyday experiences as well as routine vet calls.  You cant prepare for the abnormal and you don't have to use a vet or farrier who use extreme measures to treat or work on your horse.  Get a horses familiar with a vet so they know them.  We do all our own vetting.  Hubby has the educational background to be a vet tech so that helps us a lot  as well as being a farrier.  We are a do all family.  We start a training horse today after 10 yrs of being retired.  Hurray.  This should be interesting starting a 4 yr old stallion who has had limited handling but well imprinted.  Gotta go.. 

 

 

 

 

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Date: 4/5/2012 9:10:16 AM

Subject: Re: [MarvWalkerHorses] Re: Vet issue

 

 

Also, you can't blame the vet for refusing to put himself in danger. Whatever the issue is (him or the horse) he can refuse to treat the horse if it isn't safe to do so.

~Jean~

Everything that lives,
Lives not alone, nor for itself. 
-- William Blake, from Book of Thel

 

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From: EVE HADLOCK <sunarab@...>
To: MarvWalkerHorses <MarvWalkerHorses@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thu, Apr 5, 2012 9:44 am
Subject: Re: [MarvWalkerHorses] Re: Vet issue

 

I think that vet  has had a frightening experience with a horse and now uses precautionary practices to save himself of getting hurt. 

 

 

 

 

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Date: 4/5/2012 7:29:58 AM

Subject: Re: [MarvWalkerHorses] Re: Vet issue

 

 

this is just my opinion but, yes, I think that's too much at once!  Cant you get your own vaccines? and give your own shots?  If I gave a lot of vaccines to my cavaliers, they would seizure and die...

Apparently, your horse is frightened of this vet --  maybe you could get a female vet?

julie

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Sent: Thu, Apr 5, 2012 9:18 am
Subject: [MarvWalkerHorses] Re: Vet issue

 


We just had coggins and shots done and that is when all this happened. We give WNV-EWT (a 4-way) and Rabies to our horses. Do you think this is too much at once?

Thanks for feedback,

Jessie

--- In MarvWalkerHorses@yahoogroups.com, "Rossin, Keria" <krossin@...> wrote:
>
> Well, sounds pretty person specific. It might be worth your while to just have another vet come out and see how they react. Do you need Coggins done or anything. Personally if someone twitched me and slammed me up against a wall I would not be happy to see him.
>
> My other thought is this on Apache... what kind of shots are you doing? If you are doing the 6-way it is hard on their systems and it may be a function of him seeing the vet and putting that together with feeling pretty crappy afterwards.
>
> I am not a big believer in shots if I don't need them. I would rather get some titers pulled and see what they need in the way of antibodies. You might look into that. And again, you might have a different vet come out and just pull some blood - something benign to see what reaction they are having.
>
> If you have desensitized them with strangers I'm not sure what else you can do. And if your friends are recommending 'gentler more tolerant vets' then there is something they are saying there. And I would NOT tie up anyone's leg. That is not going to make the problem go away. It will just make it worse. I think you vet needs to garner a better stall-side manner or maybe you can tie his leg up?
>
> And this is all just my opinion.
>
> Regards
> Keria

 

 

 

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#48364 From: "Rossin, Keria" <krossin@...>
Date: Thu Apr 5, 2012 4:12 pm
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I don’t think you are going to need them to be accepting of the next vet.  I think this vet is the problem and you probably won’t have problem with another.  But the only way you are going to learn that is by bringing out a new vet.  I would tell the new vet what the problem has been and you think it was a bad dynamic between him and the horses – not going into detail and not slandering your old vet – so he will have a heads up that there might be an issue and be prepared for it.  Basically you will be interviewing the vet to see how he handles your horses.  Remember, you are the paying customer.

About smell… it’s a funny thing.  For myself I put a lot of faith in how people smell.  So why shouldn’t animals.  It’s been proven that pheromones have a lot to do with who we are attracted to.

Keria

 

But anyway - that's not the point of this. I just need more tips on how to get them accepting of the next vet I bring in. I really think these 2 have a conditioned response to this vet now (especially considering Apaches reaction as soon as the vet even steps towards him) and even if he changes, unless he comes out so I can use him for desensitization, I don't think how they react to him is going to change.

Also, what do you guys think of a vet smelling different possibly causing the reaction? This vet said that is hogwash because he has another customer that has horses that react like this and blamed it on the smell and he said its not true.

Thanks everyone for the feedback, it is appreciated.

Jessie

--- In MarvWalkerHorses@yahoogroups.com, "EVE HADLOCK" <sunarab@...> wrote:
>
> I think that vet has had a frightening experience with a horse and now uses
> precautionary practices to save himself of getting hurt.
>

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#48365 From: Lea Zukas <leadfw@...>
Date: Thu Apr 5, 2012 5:04 pm
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Agreed and agreed with your post on not dealing with people who are rough with the animals.

Some doctors/dentists/etc do have a different (antiseptic?) smell to them -- I think it could be a genuine issue for some animals, just as it can be for some people.  I think it's silly for the vet to dismiss the possibility out of hand.

It's a shame this vet has become so busy (well, he sounds like he could be overworked . . .) that he no longer takes the time to soothe the animals before starting work.

I do see the point that someone made earlier as to the vet maybe having a frightening experience, but I think that in that case the vet should be taking precautions with THAT animal, not overreacting to every horse he deals with.  And slamming a horse against a wall?  Or beating a horse with a rasp?  Uh-uh.  There are more humane ways to deal with even large animals that are uncooperative.

It can be frustrating when you're the lone voice for humane horsemanship, and you don't have to be out in the country or dealing with old cowboys to be in that situation!  We work mainly with people who show, and they can have just as many odd ideas as any wannabe bronc buster you've run across!  Natural Horsemanship isn't widely practiced, even here in Dallas -- not at our barn, anyway! 

I deal with it by smiling and nodding, LOL, then just doing what I think is right.  After all, it's MY horse!

As to women vets, we use either, but I prefer the two women vets we've used lately -- they've both had a gentler, calmer way to them and were very soothing to the horse.  They also -- IMO -- had a better way of dealing with the owner, as well, taking the time to answer questions, explain things, etc.  

This is just my perspective AS A WOMAN, lol -- I'm not ragging on men in general or even male vets.  I just know what I like (for myself and my animals), and I'd rather spend the time and money dealing with someone I feel most comfortable with.

I recently switch farriers for the same reason -- out of the two I was using, I just liked one better (both men, BTW).  One is a "good old boy" who is just too opinionated for my taste.  I want a professional's expertise, not a bunch of cowboy crap that doesn't apply to my situation (only english here, which is NOT meant to disparage western riders!).  The other farrier doesn't talk down to me, he's there when he says he will be, and he's more careful with my daughter's horse.  There are plenty of people who would prefer the farrier I didn't choose to work with, but I made the choice that was right for us.



Lea





On Apr 5, 2012, at 11:12 AM, Rossin, Keria wrote:

 

I don’t think you are going to need them to be accepting of the next vet.  I think this vet is the problem and you probably won’t have problem with another.  But the only way you are going to learn that is by bringing out a new vet.  I would tell the new vet what the problem has been and you think it was a bad dynamic between him and the horses – not going into detail and not slandering your old vet – so he will have a heads up that there might be an issue and be prepared for it.  Basically you will be interviewing the vet to see how he handles your horses.  Remember, you are the paying customer.

About smell… it’s a funny thing.  For myself I put a lot of faith in how people smell.  So why shouldn’t animals.  It’s been proven that pheromones have a lot to do with who we are attracted to.

Keria

 

But anyway - that's not the point of this. I just need more tips on how to get them accepting of the next vet I bring in. I really think these 2 have a conditioned response to this vet now (especially considering Apaches reaction as soon as the vet even steps towards him) and even if he changes, unless he comes out so I can use him for desensitization, I don't think how they react to him is going to change.

Also, what do you guys think of a vet smelling different possibly causing the reaction? This vet said that is hogwash because he has another customer that has horses that react like this and blamed it on the smell and he said its not true.

Thanks everyone for the feedback, it is appreciated.

Jessie

--- In MarvWalkerHorses@yahoogroups.com, "EVE HADLOCK" <sunarab@...> wrote:
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> I think that vet has had a frightening experience with a horse and now uses
> precautionary practices to save himself of getting hurt.
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#48366 From: "Rossin, Keria" <krossin@...>
Date: Thu Apr 5, 2012 5:40 pm
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Yes, there are as many opinions as there are horse owners in the barn.  I pretty much do the same: listen, thank the person, and then do what I think is best for MY horse. J  I used a vet service that had  woman and a man.  I actually preferred the man.  He didn’t talk down to me, explained what he was doing, etc.  The woman, while good, didn’t go into much level of detail.  So I tend to think that whole vet thing isn’t about man/woman, it’s really about who’s both good with the animals AND a good communicator.

 

K

 

 

We work mainly with people who show, and they can have just as many odd ideas as any wannabe bronc buster you've run across!  Natural Horsemanship isn't widely practiced, even here in Dallas -- not at our barn, anyway! 

 

I deal with it by smiling and nodding, LOL, then just doing what I think is right.  After all, it's MY horse!

 

As to women vets, we use either, but I prefer the two women vets we've used lately -- they've both had a gentler, calmer way to them and were very soothing to the horse.  They also -- IMO -- had a better way of dealing with the owner, as well, taking the time to answer questions, explain things, etc.  

 

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#48367 From: sunset6164@...
Date: Thu Apr 5, 2012 5:45 pm
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I've found that horses are a lot like humans... Some people they just don't like and some people they do.  I'm like that myself.   I bet your horse will respond to another vet. 
 
 
 
 
 
In a message dated 4/5/2012 9:13:43 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, krossin@... writes:
 

I don’t think you are going to need them to be accepting of the next vet.  I think this vet is the problem and you probably won’t have problem with another.  But the only way you are going to learn that is by bringing out a new vet.  I would tell the new vet what the problem has been and you think it was a bad dynamic between him and the horses – not going into detail and not slandering your old vet – so he will have a heads up that there might be an issue and be prepared for it.  Basically you will be interviewing the vet to see how he handles your horses.  Remember, you are the paying customer.

About smell… it’s a funny thing.  For myself I put a lot of faith in how people smell.  So why shouldn’t animals.  It’s been proven that pheromones have a lot to do with who we are attracted to.

Keria

But anyway - that's not the point of this. I just need more tips on how to get them accepting of the next vet I bring in. I really think these 2 have a conditioned response to this vet now (especially considering Apaches reaction as soon as the vet even steps towards him) and even if he changes, unless he comes out so I can use him for desensitization, I don't think how they react to him is going to change.

Also, what do you guys think of a vet smelling different possibly causing the reaction? This vet said that is hogwash because he has another customer that has horses that react like this and blamed it on the smell and he said its not true.

Thanks everyone for the feedback, it is appreciated.

Jessie

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> I think that vet has had a frightening experience with a horse and now uses
> precautionary practices to save himself of getting hurt.
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#48368 From: "EVE HADLOCK" <sunarab@...>
Date: Thu Apr 5, 2012 11:55 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Vet issue 		sunrisefarm
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Good for you!!  Everyones personal preferences. 
 
 
 
 
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From: Lea Zukas
Date: 4/5/2012 11:04:14 AM
Subject: Re: [MarvWalkerHorses] Re: Vet issue
 
 

Agreed and agreed with your post on not dealing with people who are rough with the animals.


Some doctors/dentists/etc do have a different (antiseptic?) smell to them -- I think it could be a genuine issue for some animals, just as it can be for some people.  I think it's silly for the vet to dismiss the possibility out of hand.

It's a shame this vet has become so busy (well, he sounds like he could be overworked . . .) that he no longer takes the time to soothe the animals before starting work.

I do see the point that someone made earlier as to the vet maybe having a frightening experience, but I think that in that case the vet should be taking precautions with THAT animal, not overreacting to every horse he deals with.  And slamming a horse against a wall?  Or beating a horse with a rasp?  Uh-uh.  There are more humane ways to deal with even large animals that are uncooperative.

It can be frustrating when you're the lone voice for humane horsemanship, and you don't have to be out in the country or dealing with old cowboys to be in that situation!  We work mainly with people who show, and they can have just as many odd ideas as any wannabe bronc buster you've run across!  Natural Horsemanship isn't widely practiced, even here in Dallas -- not at our barn, anyway! 

I deal with it by smiling and nodding, LOL, then just doing what I think is right.  After all, it's MY horse!

As to women vets, we use either, but I prefer the two women vets we've used lately -- they've both had a gentler, calmer way to them and were very soothing to the horse.  They also -- IMO -- had a better way of dealing with the owner, as well, taking the time to answer questions, explain things, etc.  

This is just my perspective AS A WOMAN, lol -- I'm not ragging on men in general or even male vets.  I just know what I like (for myself and my animals), and I'd rather spend the time and money dealing with someone I feel most comfortable with.

I recently switch farriers for the same reason -- out of the two I was using, I just liked one better (both men, BTW).  One is a "good old boy" who is just too opinionated for my taste.  I want a professional's expertise, not a bunch of cowboy crap that doesn't apply to my situation (only english here, which is NOT meant to disparage western riders!).  The other farrier doesn't talk down to me, he's there when he says he will be, and he's more careful with my daughter's horse.  There are plenty of people who would prefer the farrier I didn't choose to work with, but I made the choice that was right for us.



Lea





On Apr 5, 2012, at 11:12 AM, Rossin, Keria wrote:

 

I don’t think you are going to need them to be accepting of the next vet.  I think this vet is the problem and you probably won’t have problem with another.  But the only way you are going to learn that is by bringing out a new vet.  I would tell the new vet what the problem has been and you think it was a bad dynamic between him and the horses – not going into detail and not slandering your old vet – so he will have a heads up that there might be an issue and be prepared for it.  Basically you will be interviewing the vet to see how he handles your horses.  Remember, you are the paying customer.

About smell… it’s a funny thing.  For myself I put a lot of faith in how people smell.  So why shouldn’t animals.  It’s been proven that pheromones have a lot to do with who we are attracted to.

Keria

 

But anyway - that's not the point of this. I just need more tips on how to get them accepting of the next vet I bring in. I really think these 2 have a conditioned response to this vet now (especially considering Apaches reaction as soon as the vet even steps towards him) and even if he changes, unless he comes out so I can use him for desensitization, I don't think how they react to him is going to change.

Also, what do you guys think of a vet smelling different possibly causing the reaction? This vet said that is hogwash because he has another customer that has horses that react like this and blamed it on the smell and he said its not true.

Thanks everyone for the feedback, it is appreciated.

Jessie

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> I think that vet has had a frightening experience with a horse and now uses
> precautionary practices to save himself of getting hurt.
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#48369 From: "EVE HADLOCK" <sunarab@...>
Date: Thu Apr 5, 2012 11:59 pm
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Totally agree with that.  These professionals should know better than beating an animals to be submissive.  It doesn't always work,  I think it causes more problems and if I witness it they would never be back to work on my horses.  Gentle is the only treatment my horses get.  That I why we do a lot of the stuff ourselves cause we then know how they will be treated. 
 
 
 
 
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Date: 4/5/2012 10:08:52 AM
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Eve I agree with most of what you say but I have seen farriers/vets that cause problems where there haven’t been any.  I had a farrier one time who was very good.  I had him trim my little pony (10 hh).  In the process of trimming him the pony started nosing the farrier’s back pocket – the place where I usually kept my treats for him.  The farrier turned around – he had a rasp in his hand and beat that pony 4 or 5 times with it.  I’m not just talking smack, I’m talking hit full force.  Needless to say I was both aghast and so shocked I didn’t react fast enough.  He finished trimming his hooves and I never had him back after – that was 10 years ago.  At that time I made a vow to myself that anyone who does not have enough skill/savvy to deal with an animal by any way other than force does not deserve to work on my animals nor get any portion of my paycheck.

 

k

 

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To: MarvWalkerHorses@yahoogroups.com
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That is so true.  Owners need to have their horses desensitized to everyday experiences as well as routine vet calls.  You cant prepare for the abnormal and you don't have to use a vet or farrier who use extreme measures to treat or work on your horse.  Get a horses familiar with a vet so they know them.  We do all our own vetting.  Hubby has the educational background to be a vet tech so that helps us a lot  as well as being a farrier.  We are a do all family.  We start a training horse today after 10 yrs of being retired.  Hurray.  This should be interesting starting a 4 yr old stallion who has had limited handling but well imprinted.  Gotta go.. 

 

 

 

 

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Date: 4/5/2012 9:10:16 AM

Subject: Re: [MarvWalkerHorses] Re: Vet issue

 

 

Also, you can't blame the vet for refusing to put himself in danger. Whatever the issue is (him or the horse) he can refuse to treat the horse if it isn't safe to do so.

~Jean~

Everything that lives,
Lives not alone, nor for itself. 
-- William Blake, from Book of Thel

 

-----Original Message-----
From: EVE HADLOCK <sunarab@...>
To: MarvWalkerHorses <MarvWalkerHorses@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thu, Apr 5, 2012 9:44 am
Subject: Re: [MarvWalkerHorses] Re: Vet issue

 

I think that vet  has had a frightening experience with a horse and now uses precautionary practices to save himself of getting hurt. 

 

 

 

 

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Date: 4/5/2012 7:29:58 AM

Subject: Re: [MarvWalkerHorses] Re: Vet issue

 

 

this is just my opinion but, yes, I think that's too much at once!  Cant you get your own vaccines? and give your own shots?  If I gave a lot of vaccines to my cavaliers, they would seizure and die...

Apparently, your horse is frightened of this vet --  maybe you could get a female vet?

julie

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Sent: Thu, Apr 5, 2012 9:18 am
Subject: [MarvWalkerHorses] Re: Vet issue

 


We just had coggins and shots done and that is when all this happened. We give WNV-EWT (a 4-way) and Rabies to our horses. Do you think this is too much at once?

Thanks for feedback,

Jessie

--- In MarvWalkerHorses@yahoogroups.com, "Rossin, Keria" <krossin@...> wrote:
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> Well, sounds pretty person specific. It might be worth your while to just have another vet come out and see how they react. Do you need Coggins done or anything. Personally if someone twitched me and slammed me up against a wall I would not be happy to see him.
>
> My other thought is this on Apache... what kind of shots are you doing? If you are doing the 6-way it is hard on their systems and it may be a function of him seeing the vet and putting that together with feeling pretty crappy afterwards.
>
> I am not a big believer in shots if I don't need them. I would rather get some titers pulled and see what they need in the way of antibodies. You might look into that. And again, you might have a different vet come out and just pull some blood - something benign to see what reaction they are having.
>
> If you have desensitized them with strangers I'm not sure what else you can do. And if your friends are recommending 'gentler more tolerant vets' then there is something they are saying there. And I would NOT tie up anyone's leg. That is not going to make the problem go away. It will just make it worse. I think you vet needs to garner a better stall-side manner or maybe you can tie his leg up?
>
> And this is all just my opinion.
>
> Regards
> Keria

 

 

 

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#48370 From: "EVE HADLOCK" <sunarab@...>
Date: Fri Apr 6, 2012 12:02 am
Subject: Re: Re: Vet issue 		sunrisefarm
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Sounds like a money wannabe.  He is only doing it for the money he can make.  No love of animals just money.  I don't believe in the cowboy methods of anything.  The people that live around me are wannabe cowboys and cant stand how they treat their animals.  Uneducated but think they know everything.  Tell us what we are doing wrong.  I would take our way before I would take their advice.  Been doing this too long to listen to them.  
 
 
 
 
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Date: 4/5/2012 10:01:01 AM
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I really don't think that is the issue with this vet.

We are in a bit of a back-woods area and old cowboy methods are ever present around here. For example - the last local person who was telling me how to "properly" break a horse to saddle told me I'm doing it all wrong. Gotta take them out to the middle of a very boggy pond and jump on. Let the horse buck it out and he will tire quickly. Once the buck is out, then ride the crap out of him. Then a neighbor told me I round pen incorrectly because my horses weren't sweaty enough (we were doing the bonder and the horse had done it before and within a few minutes already had the head lowered,etc) - but you are supposed to round pen them until they are about to drop. That is all they know and learn from - the lack of oxygen. Its really just the local mentality.

What I've honestly seen with this vet is as his practice has grown (I started with him when he was fairly new to having his own practice) he has gotten less patient with the animals and takes less time with them. He wants to be in and out and be done where when he first started he would actually sweet talk and pet on them and let them get used to him first. In fact the only horse here that doesn't have a problem with him is the one he pets on - and that is because he really likes the breed.

But anyway - that's not the point of this. I just need more tips on how to get them accepting of the next vet I bring in. I really think these 2 have a conditioned response to this vet now (especially considering Apaches reaction as soon as the vet even steps towards him) and even if he changes, unless he comes out so I can use him for desensitization, I don't think how they react to him is going to change.

Also, what do you guys think of a vet smelling different possibly causing the reaction? This vet said that is hogwash because he has another customer that has horses that react like this and blamed it on the smell and he said its not true.

Thanks everyone for the feedback, it is appreciated.

Jessie

--- In MarvWalkerHorses@yahoogroups.com, "EVE HADLOCK" <sunarab@...> wrote:
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> I think that vet has had a frightening experience with a horse and now uses
> precautionary practices to save himself of getting hurt.
>

 

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#48371 From: "Rossin, Keria" <krossin@...>
Date: Fri Apr 6, 2012 12:03 pm
Subject: RE: Re: Vet issue 		karia0429
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When I was buying Toby the woman I was buying him from took him to her trainers so I could ride – it was winter in Michigan and she didn’t have an indoor, he did.  I rode him and bought him and DeeAnn was going to take him back home till I could arrange transportation.  (He was up near Gaylord, I am down in Milford – about 3 hours).  He didn’t want to get on the trailer and the trainer had a crop and he started smacking him around the head to get him to load. Even when Toby attempted to load the trainer kept hitting him around the head.  I darn near ripped that thing out of his hand ready to beat him around the head.  Crap like that just infuriates me.

 

From: MarvWalkerHorses@yahoogroups.com [mailto:MarvWalkerHorses@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of EVE HADLOCK
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2012 7:59 PM
To: MarvWalkerHorses@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [MarvWalkerHorses] Re: Vet issue

 

 

Totally agree with that.  These professionals should know better than beating an animals to be submissive.  It doesn't always work,  I think it causes more problems and if I witness it they would never be back to work on my horses.  Gentle is the only treatment my horses get.  That I why we do a lot of the stuff ourselves cause we then know how they will be treated. 

 

 

 

 

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Date: 4/5/2012 10:08:52 AM

Subject: RE: [MarvWalkerHorses] Re: Vet issue

 

 

Eve I agree with most of what you say but I have seen farriers/vets that cause problems where there haven’t been any.  I had a farrier one time who was very good.  I had him trim my little pony (10 hh).  In the process of trimming him the pony started nosing the farrier’s back pocket – the place where I usually kept my treats for him.  The farrier turned around – he had a rasp in his hand and beat that pony 4 or 5 times with it.  I’m not just talking smack, I’m talking hit full force.  Needless to say I was both aghast and so shocked I didn’t react fast enough.  He finished trimming his hooves and I never had him back after – that was 10 years ago.  At that time I made a vow to myself that anyone who does not have enough skill/savvy to deal with an animal by any way other than force does not deserve to work on my animals nor get any portion of my paycheck.

 

k

 

From: MarvWalkerHorses@yahoogroups.com [mailto:MarvWalkerHorses@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of EVE HADLOCK
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2012 11:40 AM
To: MarvWalkerHorses@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [MarvWalkerHorses] Re: Vet issue

 

 

That is so true.  Owners need to have their horses desensitized to everyday experiences as well as routine vet calls.  You cant prepare for the abnormal and you don't have to use a vet or farrier who use extreme measures to treat or work on your horse.  Get a horses familiar with a vet so they know them.  We do all our own vetting.  Hubby has the educational background to be a vet tech so that helps us a lot  as well as being a farrier.  We are a do all family.  We start a training horse today after 10 yrs of being retired.  Hurray.  This should be interesting starting a 4 yr old stallion who has had limited handling but well imprinted.  Gotta go.. 

 

 

 

 

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Date: 4/5/2012 9:10:16 AM

Subject: Re: [MarvWalkerHorses] Re: Vet issue

 

 

Also, you can't blame the vet for refusing to put himself in danger. Whatever the issue is (him or the horse) he can refuse to treat the horse if it isn't safe to do so.

~Jean~

Everything that lives,
Lives not alone, nor for itself. 
-- William Blake, from Book of Thel

 

-----Original Message-----
From: EVE HADLOCK <sunarab@...>
To: MarvWalkerHorses <MarvWalkerHorses@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thu, Apr 5, 2012 9:44 am
Subject: Re: [MarvWalkerHorses] Re: Vet issue

 

I think that vet  has had a frightening experience with a horse and now uses precautionary practices to save himself of getting hurt. 

 

 

 

 

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Date: 4/5/2012 7:29:58 AM

Subject: Re: [MarvWalkerHorses] Re: Vet issue

 

 

this is just my opinion but, yes, I think that's too much at once!  Cant you get your own vaccines? and give your own shots?  If I gave a lot of vaccines to my cavaliers, they would seizure and die...

Apparently, your horse is frightened of this vet --  maybe you could get a female vet?

julie

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From: jungle_cat80 <psych_1@...>
To: MarvWalkerHorses <MarvWalkerHorses@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thu, Apr 5, 2012 9:18 am
Subject: [MarvWalkerHorses] Re: Vet issue

 


We just had coggins and shots done and that is when all this happened. We give WNV-EWT (a 4-way) and Rabies to our horses. Do you think this is too much at once?

Thanks for feedback,

Jessie

--- In MarvWalkerHorses@yahoogroups.com, "Rossin, Keria" <krossin@...> wrote:
>
> Well, sounds pretty person specific. It might be worth your while to just have another vet come out and see how they react. Do you need Coggins done or anything. Personally if someone twitched me and slammed me up against a wall I would not be happy to see him.
>
> My other thought is this on Apache... what kind of shots are you doing? If you are doing the 6-way it is hard on their systems and it may be a function of him seeing the vet and putting that together with feeling pretty crappy afterwards.
>
> I am not a big believer in shots if I don't need them. I would rather get some titers pulled and see what they need in the way of antibodies. You might look into that. And again, you might have a different vet come out and just pull some blood - something benign to see what reaction they are having.
>
> If you have desensitized them with strangers I'm not sure what else you can do. And if your friends are recommending 'gentler more tolerant vets' then there is something they are saying there. And I would NOT tie up anyone's leg. That is not going to make the problem go away. It will just make it worse. I think you vet needs to garner a better stall-side manner or maybe you can tie his leg up?
>
> And this is all just my opinion.
>
> Regards
> Keria

 

 

 

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#48372 From: critterkeeper127@...
Date: Fri Apr 6, 2012 1:56 pm
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Infuriating and completely baffling to me!  What on earth could hitting him when he was near or trying to go in the trailer teach him?  Hmmm...maybe that the trailer and trying to load onto it are bad/scary/painful???  So all the "trainer" was doing was setting Toby up to have even worse problems loading in the future!  I just will NEVER understand some people!
Jenn


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To: MarvWalkerHorses <MarvWalkerHorses@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Fri, Apr 6, 2012 7:03 am
Subject: RE: [MarvWalkerHorses] Re: Vet issue

 
When I was buying Toby the woman I was buying him from took him to her trainers so I could ride – it was winter in Michigan and she didn’t have an indoor, he did.  I rode him and bought him and DeeAnn was going to take him back home till I could arrange transportation.  (He was up near Gaylord, I am down in Milford – about 3 hours).  He didn’t want to get on the trailer and the trainer had a crop and he started smacking him around the head to get him to load. Even when Toby attempted to load the trainer kept hitting him around the head.  I darn near ripped that thing out of his hand ready to beat him around the head.  Crap like that just infuriates me.
 



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#48373 From: "Rossin, Keria" <krossin@...>
Date: Fri Apr 6, 2012 2:04 pm
Subject: RE: Re: Vet issue 		karia0429
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Well I think I said “What the h*ll are you doing?” And he said:  â€śI want him to be more afraid of me than the trailer.”  Now is that stupid or what!  I swear he is lucky he still has all his man parts.

 

So what ended up happening – just as you said … Toby is afraid of a trailer. I have a friend that is going to help me this summer teach him to load and reprogram him.  When we got ready to come up here from where we boarded before I got married, he would not load.  I had to put Heather (at the time 29) into the trailer first.  She hoped right in – and she hadn’t been on a trailer since she was 3 years old.  He figured it was okay so then he got on.  Diana is going to come with her horse and trailer and he can watch her horse load a few times, then get on too; then we’ll try solo after he does it with another horse in the trailer first.

 

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Sent: Friday, April 06, 2012 9:56 AM
To: MarvWalkerHorses@yahoogroups.com
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Infuriating and completely baffling to me!  What on earth could hitting him when he was near or trying to go in the trailer teach him?  Hmmm...maybe that the trailer and trying to load onto it are bad/scary/painful???  So all the "trainer" was doing was setting Toby up to have even worse problems loading in the future!  I just will NEVER understand some people!
Jenn

 

 

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Sent: Fri, Apr 6, 2012 7:03 am
Subject: RE: [MarvWalkerHorses] Re: Vet issue

 

When I was buying Toby the woman I was buying him from took him to her trainers so I could ride – it was winter in Michigan and she didn’t have an indoor, he did.  I rode him and bought him and DeeAnn was going to take him back home till I could arrange transportation.  (He was up near Gaylord, I am down in Milford – about 3 hours).  He didn’t want to get on the trailer and the trainer had a crop and he started smacking him around the head to get him to load. Even when Toby attempted to load the trainer kept hitting him around the head.  I darn near ripped that thing out of his hand ready to beat him around the head.  Crap like that just infuriates me.

 

 

 

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#48374 From: Marv Walker <Marv@...>
Date: Fri Apr 6, 2012 2:32 pm
Subject: Horse that won't load. 		snigtag
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So what ended up happening – just as you said  ¦ Toby is afraid of a trailer. I have a friend that is going to help me this summer teach him to load and reprogram him.  When we got ready to come up here from where we boarded before I got married, he would not load.  I had to put Heather (at the time 29) into the trailer first.  She hoped right in – aand she hadn’t been on a trailer since she was 3 years old.  He figured it was okay so then he got on.  Diana is going to come with her horse and trailer and he can watch her horse load a few times, then get on too; then we’ll try solo after he does it with another horse in the trailer first.

When you absolutely have to load a horse that won't load have someone lead the horse around
while you follow along behind threatening to kill it while making noise and cracking a whip.

When the horse is focused good on the whippee have the leader just load it in the trailer.  It
has never failed me.  The horse is only concerned with escaping from me.

Now then, before you have to load the horse teach it to load by not teaching it to load.  Teach
the horse to lead.

Lead the horse toward the trailer.  The SECOND the horse displays any anxiety stop right
there and wait for the horse to calm.  When the horse is calm ask for ANY movement toward
the trailer.

The key here is to not think about the trailer.  It is to think about movement.  You are not
loading the horse.  You are merely spending time with it while teaching it, "Give me movement."

"Give me movement" will turn into, "Just put a hoof here."

Marv "If you have all day, it'll take five minutes.  If you have five minutes, it'll take all day." Walker

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#48375 From: "Rossin, Keria" <krossin@...>
Date: Fri Apr 6, 2012 2:36 pm
Subject: RE: Horse that won't load. 		karia0429
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Well I don’t know if he won’t load because the last time I loaded him was three years ago when he came to where we are now (story below).  Just knowing what happened them, I am foreseeing that the only way he may load is if some other horse is in there.

 

I’ll try your method though if I can’t get him on.

 

From: MarvWalkerHorses@yahoogroups.com [mailto:MarvWalkerHorses@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Marv Walker
Sent: Friday, April 06, 2012 10:32 AM
To: MarvWalkerHorses@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [MarvWalkerHorses] Horse that won't load.

 

 

So what ended up happening – just as you said  ¦ Toby is afraid of a trailer. I have a friend that is going to help me this summer teach him to load and reprogram him.  When we got ready to come up here from where we boarded before I got married, he would not load.  I had to put Heather (at the time 29) into the trailer first.  She hoped right in – aand she hadn’t been on a trailer since she was 3 years old.  He figured it was okay so then he got on.  Diana is going to come with her horse and trailer and he can watch her horse load a few times, then get on too; then we’ll try solo after he does it with another horse in the trailer first.


When you absolutely have to load a horse that won't load have someone lead the horse around
while you follow along behind threatening to kill it while making noise and cracking a whip.

When the horse is focused good on the whippee have the leader just load it in the trailer.  It
has never failed me.  The horse is only concerned with escaping from me.

Now then, before you have to load the horse teach it to load by not teaching it to load.  Teach
the horse to lead.

Lead the horse toward the trailer.  The SECOND the horse displays any anxiety stop right
there and wait for the horse to calm.  When the horse is calm ask for ANY movement toward
the trailer.

The key here is to not think about the trailer.  It is to think about movement.  You are not
loading the horse.  You are merely spending time with it while teaching it, "Give me movement."

"Give me movement" will turn into, "Just put a hoof here."

Marv "If you have all day, it'll take five minutes.  If you have five minutes, it'll take all day." Walker

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