First, I generally avoid chat groups because communication through
email is fine for quick exchanges and answering questions but it
often fails to get to the heart of the matter and misunderstandings
often arise.  I joined the Yahoo group because Beni and I are so
isolated from our Nodrog friends, it's another way to stay in touch.

Second, Mary's suggestion that this be discussed "off line" is a
good one (even for those of us who can't be present at the next
meeting).

Third, most editors (and I've been one for years) would feel that an
article submitted should run in the publication first and then be
posted electronically if needed.  That's not a "ding" at Cheryl,
just a statement of fact from an experienced editor.  That said,
most submitters of articles who have not served as editors probably
would not realize this.

Fourth, if Nodrog decides to go to an electronic newsletter (as lots
of groups are doing), there is a lot to be considered.  Personally,
I like the paper copy but I do understand costs.  Also, because Beni
and I are so remote in Ohio and look to be very rural in Indiana if
we EVER find a place, an electronic newsletter isn't feasible, since
we can't get high speed internet access.  BUT, this should be
discussed by the parties. My suggestion is to form a committee with
Jan as a member (even if you decide to give up the editorship of
Glimpses, Jan) and some past Glimpses editors as well.  Mary G
should be involved too if her time permits since she cares for the
website.

I've already said a lot for someone who said the discussion should
be held "off line" but Gordon Setter publications have been a big
part of my life for nearly 30 years and I know how challenging it is
to bring members the news.

Dianne

--- In NODROG@yahoogroups.com, Cheryl Grega <cherylgrega@...> wrote:
>
> Well said Ed. And seconded as well.Jan's loss to this organization
would be mamoth on more levels than the newsletter. The sole purpose
of the yahoo group is to ADD to the communication spectrum of the
club, not to replace any piece that is already existing.  I will
forward this to the membership chair (if Mary hasn't already) and
ask her to forward your comments to the general membership. At this
time the whole membership is NOT represented on the yahoo group.
>
> Ed Ervin <elervin@...> wrote:            I've been a member since
Sammie was a pup, probably around twelve years.
>
>   The news letter is the best I have ever seen from any group I
have belonged to.  It is personal, warm, enjoyable, interesting, and
obviously a labor of love and immense amounts of time.
>
>   The internet is, in my opinion, just an impersonal way to
quickly gather information.
>
>   To lose Jan's talents due to overwork, lack of support, or a
myriad of other reasons is understandable.  I can't imagine the
effort she puts into this publication.  But to lose her talents and
not be able to share her love of the Gordon Setters and their
Families for any other reason is inexcusable, regardless of intent
or words in an email.  We can only hope that however this situation
arose, it can be resolved.
>
>   The joy and enthusiasm the current "Gordon Glimpses" displays as
you read the pages and view the pictures are attributes that make
this publication excel.  The news from member's activities, NODROG
meetings, and events like the Highlander Games are well written,
contain interesting information, and are sincerely appreciated.
They obviously reflect well thought out verse and photos from the
authors.  I believe these newsletters are on the tables and desks of
many of our members for days if not weeks, and, then, they are saved
for future perusal.  And, I believe that this kind of publication
can only exist when you have someone as Editor who not only loves
the Breed and their Families, but also has the skills and love to
spend their time making it the best publication they can.  This
leadership is the catalyst that makes contributors want to do their
best as well.
>
>   What a loss Jan would be.  If only half of you read "Gordon
Glimpses" I'd be shocked!  If you read it, enjoy it, and want to
keep it....SPEAK UP!!
>
>   Respectfully submitted to all parties,
>   Ed
>
>   Mary,
>   I would appreciate this going to the general membership email
list if they are not included in the Yahoo Group.
>     ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Mary Duerksen
>   To: NODROG@yahoogroups.com
>   Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2007 7:28 AM
>   Subject: RE: [NODROG] Re: How many of us are there?
>
>
>       I urge you both to avoid dealing with sensitive issues
through email.  It is far too easy to misunderstand the intent or
tone of an email-as opposed to a personal conversation. We will
consider all issues at the board meeting on Sunday, 1:00 at
Frankenmuth. I urge you both to attend and clear the air-we will all
benefit.  Whether you sustain your intent to resign or not it would
still benefit all if there could be a face-to-face conversation.  If
we need to review principles for publishing information we can do
that.  The newsletter is a valuable tool and has never been better
in my opinion. But as Jan states, that does not mean everyone reads
it in this electronic age. It might be worth considering whether we
want to simultaneously publish the newsletter online and mail it out-
that would avoid this kind of problem.  My church does that-and it
seems to work.  Some folks just have a need for info on their
screens and don't spend a lot of time reading print. Personally,
>  I love sitting down with the Glimpses and savoring each page.
But I'm an old person used to print.
>
>     Mary T. Duerksen
>   If you pick up a starving dog and make him prosperous he will
never bite you.  That is the principal difference between a dog and
a man.  (Mark Twain)
>
>
>   -----Original Message-----
> From: NODROG@yahoogroups.com [mailto:NODROG@yahoogroups.com]On
Behalf Of mackenziedream
> Sent: Monday, August 20, 2007 6:24 PM
> To: NODROG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [NODROG] Re: How many of us are there?
>
>
>     It has nothing to do with fear of being 'scooped'--what a
ludicrous
> thought.
>
> It has to do with courtesy and consideration towards fellow club
> members, a concept that seems to be lost.
>
> The fact is that you wrote the article per my request for the
> newsletter. You knew the newsletter was going out this past week-
end,
> and instead of writing something else in the e-mail or just waitin
3
> days to send it out, in consideration for the time I spend on the
> newsletter, you chose to e-mail the same article that wasto be
> published in the newsletter.
>
> It is not the content of the article, nor the fact that everyone
> (well, maybe just a lot of people) read the article before they
saw
> it in the newsletter that has me upset. Heaven knows half the
people
> don't read the newsletter anyway. It is your actions that have me
> upset. The article could have been about bananas and I would feel
the
> same way.
>
> But again, you no longer have to worry about it--the newsletter
> position is open. Perhaps you would like to do it?
>
> --- In NODROG@yahoogroups.com, Cheryl Grega <cherylgrega@> wrote:
> >
> > In student education they say that you have to have any given
item
> of information reiterated 25 times to make it your own. I don't
think
> hearing it over again is a problem. If nothing else it is a
positive.
> This isn't like a newspaper where we are trying to "scoop" the
> competition. We only had 14 people signed up after I sent the
> announcement out the first time. I had a half dozen e-mails bounce
> back. I forwarded them to Pat to check their accuracy. So Pat
asked
> if I wanted her to send it to her list because she is the
membership
> chair and her list is supposed to be complete. That is why it was
> resent. I think there are those that will have it dumped in their
> bulk mail and will not receive it electronically anyway. Those
people
> will need to see it in writing. I didn't do this to usurp your
> publishing. I want it to go out in the newsletter too. We are
working
> on communication.....Right!!!
> >
> > mackenziedream <Mackenziedream@> wrote: Gosh, and here
> I thought i asked you to write this for the
> > newsletter. And I posted earlier that it was going to be in the
> > newsletter.
> >
> > Well, gotta say, this definately has pushed me over the edge
with
> > this newsletter thing.
> >
> > -- In NODROG@yahoogroups.com, Cheryl Grega <cherylgrega@> wrote:
> > >
> > > How about this?
> > >
> > >
> > > Do you want to be in on the very latest up and coming events
and
> > stuff that the NODROG Gordon Setter Club of Michigan is
plotting,
> > planning, and scheming? Well we have found a way to expedite
your
> > answers. We have formed a Yahoo group for the entire membership
and
> > any other interested parties.
> > >
> > > Use the link in the e-mail to join or if you didn't get the e-
> > mail because your e-mail information isn't current with the club
or
> > just because I am a blockhead and missed somebody.....
> > >
> > > To join:
> > > You go to Yahoo main page and click "groups".
> > > Search for NODROG in the groups (I tried to keep it very
simple
> > because I am blond you know).
> > > When you get to our page (it has the logo and everything) you
> > just click "join".
> > >
> > > Please post your photos, your opinions (be nice), and share
you
> > love and enthusiasm for our GS family members. This will help us
> get
> > up to speed before the 25th Anniversary and all the other things
> > ahead. This format has a calendar, polling ability and all kinds
of
> > cool stuff. I just have to figure it out...uh oh....well I will
> try.
> > Join in. I want to hear from everyone.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > HTML Attachment [ Scan and Save to Computer ]
> > >
> > >
> > > This invitation expires in
> > 30 days. Sunday, 12 August 2007 - 8:19 PM
> > UTC cherylgrega@ has
> > invited you to join the NODROG
> > group! I have
> > initiated this group in an effort to open the lines of
> communication
> > within the Club. I am not sure that I have entered the entire
> > membership nor am I sure how this works, BUT I will learn how to
> make
> > it work and we can bounce ideas within the membership and
hopefully
> > get more input. If someone decides there is too much mail they
> > can "digest" or "unsubscribe". Puget Sound GSC has a group like
> this
> > and I know a 4H group that has utilized this tool for everything
> > including calendars etc. very successfully. Let's try to know at
> > least as much as the 5th graders:-)
> > > Join this group!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Cheryl Grega, RN, MSN, COHN-S, CM
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Cheryl Grega, RN, MSN, COHN-S, CM
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Cheryl Grega, RN, MSN, COHN-S, CM
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Cheryl Grega, RN, MSN, COHN-S, CM
>

I've been a member since Sammie was a pup, probably around twelve years.

 

The news letter is the best I have ever seen from any group I have belonged to.  It is personal, warm, enjoyable, interesting, and obviously a labor of love and immense amounts of time.

 

The internet is, in my opinion, just an impersonal way to quickly gather information.

 

To lose Jan's talents due to overwork, lack of support, or a myriad of other reasons is understandable.  I can't imagine the effort she puts into this publication.  But to lose her talents and not be able to share her love of the Gordon Setters and their Families for any other reason is inexcusable, regardless of intent or words in an email.  We can only hope that however this situation arose, it can be resolved.

 

The joy and enthusiasm the current "Gordon Glimpses" displays as you read the pages and view the pictures are attributes that make this publication excel.  The news from member's activities, NODROG meetings, and events like the Highlander Games are well written, contain interesting information, and are sincerely appreciated.  They obviously reflect well thought out verse and photos from the authors.  I believe these newsletters are on the tables and desks of many of our members for days if not weeks, and, then, they are saved for future perusal.  And, I believe that this kind of publication can only exist when you have someone as Editor who not only loves the Breed and their Families, but also has the skills and love to spend their time making it the best publication they can.  This leadership is the catalyst that makes contributors want to do their best as well.

 

What a loss Jan would be.  If only half of you read "Gordon Glimpses" I'd be shocked!  If you read it, enjoy it, and want to keep it....SPEAK UP!!

 

Respectfully submitted to all parties,

Ed

 

Mary, 

I would appreciate this going to the general membership email list if they are not included in the Yahoo Group.  

----- Original Message -----

From: Mary Duerksen

To: NODROG@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2007 7:28 AM

Subject: RE: [NODROG] Re: How many of us are there?

I urge you both to avoid dealing with sensitive issues through email.  It is far too easy to misunderstand the intent or tone of an email-as opposed to a personal conversation. We will consider all issues at the board meeting on Sunday, 1:00 at Frankenmuth. I urge you both to attend and clear the air-we will all benefit.  Whether you sustain your intent to resign or not it would still benefit all if there could be a face-to-face conversation.  If we need to review principles for publishing information we can do that.  The newsletter is a valuable tool and has never been better in my opinion. But as Jan states, that does not mean everyone reads it in this electronic age. It might be worth considering whether we want to simultaneously publish the newsletter online and mail it out-that would avoid this kind of problem.  My church does that-and it seems to work.  Some folks just have a need for info on their screens and don't spend a lot of time reading print. Personally, I love sitting down with the Glimpses and savoring each page.  But I'm an old person used to print.

 

Mary T. Duerksen

 

If you pick up a starving dog and make him prosperous he will never bite you.  That is the principal difference between a dog and a man.  (Mark Twain)

-----Original Message-----
From: NODROG@yahoogroups.com [mailto:NODROG@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of mackenziedream
Sent: Monday, August 20, 2007 6:24 PM
To: NODROG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [NODROG] Re: How many of us are there?

It has nothing to do with fear of being 'scooped'--what a ludicrous
thought.

It has to do with courtesy and consideration towards fellow club
members, a concept that seems to be lost.

The fact is that you wrote the article per my request for the
newsletter. You knew the newsletter was going out this past week-end,
and instead of writing something else in the e-mail or just waitin 3
days to send it out, in consideration for the time I spend on the
newsletter, you chose to e-mail the same article that wasto be
published in the newsletter.

It is not the content of the article, nor the fact that everyone
(well, maybe just a lot of people) read the article before they saw
it in the newsletter that has me upset. Heaven knows half the people
don't read the newsletter anyway. It is your actions that have me
upset. The article could have been about bananas and I would feel the
same way.

But again, you no longer have to worry about it--the newsletter
position is open. Perhaps you would like to do it?

--- In NODROG@yahoogroups.com, Cheryl Grega <cherylgrega@...> wrote:
>
> In student education they say that you have to have any given item
of information reiterated 25 times to make it your own. I don't think
hearing it over again is a problem. If nothing else it is a positive.
This isn't like a newspaper where we are trying to "scoop" the
competition. We only had 14 people signed up after I sent the
announcement out the first time. I had a half dozen e-mails bounce
back. I forwarded them to Pat to check their accuracy. So Pat asked
if I wanted her to send it to her list because she is the membership
chair and her list is supposed to be complete. That is why it was
resent. I think there are those that will have it dumped in their
bulk mail and will not receive it electronically anyway. Those people
will need to see it in writing. I didn't do this to usurp your
publishing. I want it to go out in the newsletter too. We are working
on communication.....Right!!!
>
> mackenziedream <Mackenziedream@...> wrote: Gosh, and here
I thought i asked you to write this for the
> newsletter. And I posted earlier that it was going to be in the
> newsletter.
>
> Well, gotta say, this definately has pushed me over the edge with
> this newsletter thing.
>
> -- In NODROG@yahoogroups.com, Cheryl Grega <cherylgrega@> wrote:
> >
> > How about this?
> >
> >
> > Do you want to be in on the very latest up and coming events and
> stuff that the NODROG Gordon Setter Club of Michigan is plotting,
> planning, and scheming? Well we have found a way to expedite your
> answers. We have formed a Yahoo group for the entire membership and
> any other interested parties.
> >
> > Use the link in the e-mail to join or if you didn't get the e-
> mail because your e-mail information isn't current with the club or
> just because I am a blockhead and missed somebody.....
> >
> > To join:
> > You go to Yahoo main page and click "groups".
> > Search for NODROG in the groups (I tried to keep it very simple
> because I am blond you know).
> > When you get to our page (it has the logo and everything) you
> just click "join".
> >
> > Please post your photos, your opinions (be nice), and share you
> love and enthusiasm for our GS family members. This will help us
get
> up to speed before the 25th Anniversary and all the other things
> ahead. This format has a calendar, polling ability and all kinds of
> cool stuff. I just have to figure it out...uh oh....well I will
try.
> Join in. I want to hear from everyone.
> >
> >
> >
> > HTML Attachment [ Scan and Save to Computer ]
> >
> >
> > This invitation expires in
> 30 days. Sunday, 12 August 2007 - 8:19 PM
> UTC cherylgrega@ has
> invited you to join the NODROG
> group! I have
> initiated this group in an effort to open the lines of
communication
> within the Club. I am not sure that I have entered the entire
> membership nor am I sure how this works, BUT I will learn how to
make
> it work and we can bounce ideas within the membership and hopefully
> get more input. If someone decides there is too much mail they
> can "digest" or "unsubscribe". Puget Sound GSC has a group like
this
> and I know a 4H group that has utilized this tool for everything
> including calendars etc. very successfully. Let's try to know at
> least as much as the 5th graders:-)
> > Join this group!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Cheryl Grega, RN, MSN, COHN-S, CM
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Cheryl Grega, RN, MSN, COHN-S, CM
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Cheryl Grega, RN, MSN, COHN-S, CM
>

I've been a member since Sammie was a pup, probably around twelve years.

 

The news letter is the best I have ever seen from any group I have belonged to.  It is personal, warm, enjoyable, interesting, and obviously a labor of love and immense amounts of time.

 

The internet is, in my opinion, just an impersonal way to quickly gather information.

 

To lose Jan's talents due to overwork, lack of support, or a myriad of other reasons is understandable.  I can't imagine the effort she puts into this publication.  But to lose her talents and not be able to share her love of the Gordon Setters and their Families for any other reason is inexcusable, regardless of intent or words in an email.  We can only hope that however this situation arose, it can be resolved.

 

The joy and enthusiasm the current "Gordon Glimpses" displays as you read the pages and view the pictures are attributes that make this publication excel.  The news from member's activities, NODROG meetings, and events like the Highlander Games are well written, contain interesting information, and are sincerely appreciated.  They obviously reflect well thought out verse and photos from the authors.  I believe these newsletters are on the tables and desks of many of our members for days if not weeks, and, then, they are saved for future perusal.  And, I believe that this kind of publication can only exist when you have someone as Editor who not only loves the Breed and their Families, but also has the skills and love to spend their time making it the best publication they can.  This leadership is the catalyst that makes contributors want to do their best as well.

 

What a loss Jan would be.  If only half of you read "Gordon Glimpses" I'd be shocked!  If you read it, enjoy it, and want to keep it....SPEAK UP!!

 

Respectfully submitted to all parties,

Ed

 

Mary, 

I would appreciate this going to the general membership email list if they are not included in the Yahoo Group.  

----- Original Message -----

From: Mary Duerksen

To: NODROG@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2007 7:28 AM

Subject: RE: [NODROG] Re: How many of us are there?

I urge you both to avoid dealing with sensitive issues through email.  It is far too easy to misunderstand the intent or tone of an email-as opposed to a personal conversation. We will consider all issues at the board meeting on Sunday, 1:00 at Frankenmuth. I urge you both to attend and clear the air-we will all benefit.  Whether you sustain your intent to resign or not it would still benefit all if there could be a face-to-face conversation.  If we need to review principles for publishing information we can do that.  The newsletter is a valuable tool and has never been better in my opinion. But as Jan states, that does not mean everyone reads it in this electronic age. It might be worth considering whether we want to simultaneously publish the newsletter online and mail it out-that would avoid this kind of problem.  My church does that-and it seems to work.  Some folks just have a need for info on their screens and don't spend a lot of time reading print. Personally, I love sitting down with the Glimpses and savoring each page.  But I'm an old person used to print.

 

Mary T. Duerksen

 

If you pick up a starving dog and make him prosperous he will never bite you.  That is the principal difference between a dog and a man.  (Mark Twain)

-----Original Message-----
From: NODROG@yahoogroups.com [mailto:NODROG@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of mackenziedream
Sent: Monday, August 20, 2007 6:24 PM
To: NODROG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [NODROG] Re: How many of us are there?

It has nothing to do with fear of being 'scooped'--what a ludicrous
thought.

It has to do with courtesy and consideration towards fellow club
members, a concept that seems to be lost.

The fact is that you wrote the article per my request for the
newsletter. You knew the newsletter was going out this past week-end,
and instead of writing something else in the e-mail or just waitin 3
days to send it out, in consideration for the time I spend on the
newsletter, you chose to e-mail the same article that wasto be
published in the newsletter.

It is not the content of the article, nor the fact that everyone
(well, maybe just a lot of people) read the article before they saw
it in the newsletter that has me upset. Heaven knows half the people
don't read the newsletter anyway. It is your actions that have me
upset. The article could have been about bananas and I would feel the
same way.

But again, you no longer have to worry about it--the newsletter
position is open. Perhaps you would like to do it?

--- In NODROG@yahoogroups.com, Cheryl Grega <cherylgrega@...> wrote:
>
> In student education they say that you have to have any given item
of information reiterated 25 times to make it your own. I don't think
hearing it over again is a problem. If nothing else it is a positive.
This isn't like a newspaper where we are trying to "scoop" the
competition. We only had 14 people signed up after I sent the
announcement out the first time. I had a half dozen e-mails bounce
back. I forwarded them to Pat to check their accuracy. So Pat asked
if I wanted her to send it to her list because she is the membership
chair and her list is supposed to be complete. That is why it was
resent. I think there are those that will have it dumped in their
bulk mail and will not receive it electronically anyway. Those people
will need to see it in writing. I didn't do this to usurp your
publishing. I want it to go out in the newsletter too. We are working
on communication.....Right!!!
>
> mackenziedream <Mackenziedream@...> wrote: Gosh, and here
I thought i asked you to write this for the
> newsletter. And I posted earlier that it was going to be in the
> newsletter.
>
> Well, gotta say, this definately has pushed me over the edge with
> this newsletter thing.
>
> -- In NODROG@yahoogroups.com, Cheryl Grega <cherylgrega@> wrote:
> >
> > How about this?
> >
> >
> > Do you want to be in on the very latest up and coming events and
> stuff that the NODROG Gordon Setter Club of Michigan is plotting,
> planning, and scheming? Well we have found a way to expedite your
> answers. We have formed a Yahoo group for the entire membership and
> any other interested parties.
> >
> > Use the link in the e-mail to join or if you didn't get the e-
> mail because your e-mail information isn't current with the club or
> just because I am a blockhead and missed somebody.....
> >
> > To join:
> > You go to Yahoo main page and click "groups".
> > Search for NODROG in the groups (I tried to keep it very simple
> because I am blond you know).
> > When you get to our page (it has the logo and everything) you
> just click "join".
> >
> > Please post your photos, your opinions (be nice), and share you
> love and enthusiasm for our GS family members. This will help us
get
> up to speed before the 25th Anniversary and all the other things
> ahead. This format has a calendar, polling ability and all kinds of
> cool stuff. I just have to figure it out...uh oh....well I will
try.
> Join in. I want to hear from everyone.
> >
> >
> >
> > HTML Attachment [ Scan and Save to Computer ]
> >
> >
> > This invitation expires in
> 30 days. Sunday, 12 August 2007 - 8:19 PM
> UTC cherylgrega@ has
> invited you to join the NODROG
> group! I have
> initiated this group in an effort to open the lines of
communication
> within the Club. I am not sure that I have entered the entire
> membership nor am I sure how this works, BUT I will learn how to
make
> it work and we can bounce ideas within the membership and hopefully
> get more input. If someone decides there is too much mail they
> can "digest" or "unsubscribe". Puget Sound GSC has a group like
this
> and I know a 4H group that has utilized this tool for everything
> including calendars etc. very successfully. Let's try to know at
> least as much as the 5th graders:-)
> > Join this group!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Cheryl Grega, RN, MSN, COHN-S, CM
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Cheryl Grega, RN, MSN, COHN-S, CM
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Cheryl Grega, RN, MSN, COHN-S, CM
>

----- Original Message -----

From: Mary Duerksen

To: NODROG@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2007 7:28 AM

Subject: RE: [NODROG] Re: How many of us are there?

I urge you both to avoid dealing with sensitive issues through email.  It is far too easy to misunderstand the intent or tone of an email-as opposed to a personal conversation. We will consider all issues at the board meeting on Sunday, 1:00 at Frankenmuth. I urge you both to attend and clear the air-we will all benefit.  Whether you sustain your intent to resign or not it would still benefit all if there could be a face-to-face conversation.  If we need to review principles for publishing information we can do that.  The newsletter is a valuable tool and has never been better in my opinion. But as Jan states, that does not mean everyone reads it in this electronic age. It might be worth considering whether we want to simultaneously publish the newsletter online and mail it out-that would avoid this kind of problem.  My church does that-and it seems to work.  Some folks just have a need for info on their screens and don't spend a lot of time reading print. Personally, I love sitting down with the Glimpses and savoring each page.  But I'm an old person used to print.

 

Mary T. Duerksen

 

If you pick up a starving dog and make him prosperous he will never bite you.  That is the principal difference between a dog and a man.  (Mark Twain)

-----Original Message-----
From: NODROG@yahoogroups.com [mailto:NODROG@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of mackenziedream
Sent: Monday, August 20, 2007 6:24 PM
To: NODROG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [NODROG] Re: How many of us are there?

It has nothing to do with fear of being 'scooped'--what a ludicrous
thought.

It has to do with courtesy and consideration towards fellow club
members, a concept that seems to be lost.

The fact is that you wrote the article per my request for the
newsletter. You knew the newsletter was going out this past week-end,
and instead of writing something else in the e-mail or just waitin 3
days to send it out, in consideration for the time I spend on the
newsletter, you chose to e-mail the same article that wasto be
published in the newsletter.

It is not the content of the article, nor the fact that everyone
(well, maybe just a lot of people) read the article before they saw
it in the newsletter that has me upset. Heaven knows half the people
don't read the newsletter anyway. It is your actions that have me
upset. The article could have been about bananas and I would feel the
same way.

But again, you no longer have to worry about it--the newsletter
position is open. Perhaps you would like to do it?

--- In NODROG@yahoogroups.com, Cheryl Grega <cherylgrega@...> wrote:
>
> In student education they say that you have to have any given item
of information reiterated 25 times to make it your own. I don't think
hearing it over again is a problem. If nothing else it is a positive.
This isn't like a newspaper where we are trying to "scoop" the
competition. We only had 14 people signed up after I sent the
announcement out the first time. I had a half dozen e-mails bounce
back. I forwarded them to Pat to check their accuracy. So Pat asked
if I wanted her to send it to her list because she is the membership
chair and her list is supposed to be complete. That is why it was
resent. I think there are those that will have it dumped in their
bulk mail and will not receive it electronically anyway. Those people
will need to see it in writing. I didn't do this to usurp your
publishing. I want it to go out in the newsletter too. We are working
on communication.....Right!!!
>
> mackenziedream <Mackenziedream@...> wrote: Gosh, and here
I thought i asked you to write this for the
> newsletter. And I posted earlier that it was going to be in the
> newsletter.
>
> Well, gotta say, this definately has pushed me over the edge with
> this newsletter thing.
>
> -- In NODROG@yahoogroups.com, Cheryl Grega <cherylgrega@> wrote:
> >
> > How about this?
> >
> >
> > Do you want to be in on the very latest up and coming events and
> stuff that the NODROG Gordon Setter Club of Michigan is plotting,
> planning, and scheming? Well we have found a way to expedite your
> answers. We have formed a Yahoo group for the entire membership and
> any other interested parties.
> >
> > Use the link in the e-mail to join or if you didn't get the e-
> mail because your e-mail information isn't current with the club or
> just because I am a blockhead and missed somebody.....
> >
> > To join:
> > You go to Yahoo main page and click "groups".
> > Search for NODROG in the groups (I tried to keep it very simple
> because I am blond you know).
> > When you get to our page (it has the logo and everything) you
> just click "join".
> >
> > Please post your photos, your opinions (be nice), and share you
> love and enthusiasm for our GS family members. This will help us
get
> up to speed before the 25th Anniversary and all the other things
> ahead. This format has a calendar, polling ability and all kinds of
> cool stuff. I just have to figure it out...uh oh....well I will
try.
> Join in. I want to hear from everyone.
> >
> >
> >
> > HTML Attachment [ Scan and Save to Computer ]
> >
> >
> > This invitation expires in
> 30 days. Sunday, 12 August 2007 - 8:19 PM
> UTC cherylgrega@ has
> invited you to join the NODROG
> group! I have
> initiated this group in an effort to open the lines of
communication
> within the Club. I am not sure that I have entered the entire
> membership nor am I sure how this works, BUT I will learn how to
make
> it work and we can bounce ideas within the membership and hopefully
> get more input. If someone decides there is too much mail they
> can "digest" or "unsubscribe". Puget Sound GSC has a group like
this
> and I know a 4H group that has utilized this tool for everything
> including calendars etc. very successfully. Let's try to know at
> least as much as the 5th graders:-)
> > Join this group!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Cheryl Grega, RN, MSN, COHN-S, CM
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Cheryl Grega, RN, MSN, COHN-S, CM
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Cheryl Grega, RN, MSN, COHN-S, CM
>

It has nothing to do with fear of being 'scooped'--what a ludicrous
thought.

It has to do with courtesy and consideration towards fellow club
members, a concept that seems to be lost.

The fact is that you wrote the article per my request for the
newsletter. You knew the newsletter was going out this past week-end,
and instead of writing something else in the e-mail or just waitin 3
days to send it out, in consideration for the time I spend on the
newsletter, you chose to e-mail the same article that wasto be
published in the newsletter.

It is not the content of the article, nor the fact that everyone
(well, maybe just a lot of people) read the article before they saw
it in the newsletter that has me upset. Heaven knows half the people
don't read the newsletter anyway. It is your actions that have me
upset. The article could have been about bananas and I would feel the
same way.

But again, you no longer have to worry about it--the newsletter
position is open. Perhaps you would like to do it?


--- In NODROG@yahoogroups.com, Cheryl Grega <cherylgrega@...> wrote:
>
> In student education they say that you have to have any given item
of information reiterated 25 times to make it your own. I don't think
hearing it over again is a problem. If nothing else it is a positive.
This isn't like a newspaper where we are trying to "scoop" the
competition. We only had 14 people signed up after I sent the
announcement out the first time. I had a half dozen e-mails bounce
back. I forwarded them to Pat to check their accuracy. So Pat asked
if I wanted her to send it to her list because she is the membership
chair and her list is supposed to be complete. That is why it was
resent. I think there are those that will have it dumped in their
bulk mail and will not receive it electronically anyway. Those people
will need to see it in writing. I didn't do this to usurp your
publishing. I want it to go out in the newsletter too. We are working
on communication.....Right!!!
>
> mackenziedream <Mackenziedream@...> wrote:          Gosh, and here
I thought i asked you to write this for the
> newsletter. And I posted earlier that it was going to be in the
> newsletter.
>
> Well, gotta say, this definately has pushed me over the edge with
> this newsletter thing.
>
> -- In NODROG@yahoogroups.com, Cheryl Grega <cherylgrega@> wrote:
> >
> > How about this?
> >
> >
> > Do you want to be in on the very latest up and coming events and
> stuff that the NODROG Gordon Setter Club of Michigan is plotting,
> planning, and scheming? Well we have found a way to expedite your
> answers. We have formed a Yahoo group for the entire membership and
> any other interested parties.
> >
> > Use the link in the e-mail to join or if you didn't get the e-
> mail because your e-mail information isn't current with the club or
> just because I am a blockhead and missed somebody.....
> >
> > To join:
> > You go to Yahoo main page and click "groups".
> > Search for NODROG in the groups (I tried to keep it very simple
> because I am blond you know).
> > When you get to our page (it has the logo and everything) you
> just click "join".
> >
> > Please post your photos, your opinions (be nice), and share you
> love and enthusiasm for our GS family members. This will help us
get
> up to speed before the 25th Anniversary and all the other things
> ahead. This format has a calendar, polling ability and all kinds of
> cool stuff. I just have to figure it out...uh oh....well I will
try.
> Join in. I want to hear from everyone.
> >
> >
> >
> > HTML Attachment [ Scan and Save to Computer ]
> >
> >
> > This invitation expires in
> 30 days. Sunday, 12 August 2007 - 8:19 PM
> UTC cherylgrega@ has
> invited you to join the NODROG
> group! I have
> initiated this group in an effort to open the lines of
communication
> within the Club. I am not sure that I have entered the entire
> membership nor am I sure how this works, BUT I will learn how to
make
> it work and we can bounce ideas within the membership and hopefully
> get more input. If someone decides there is too much mail they
> can "digest" or "unsubscribe". Puget Sound GSC has a group like
this
> and I know a 4H group that has utilized this tool for everything
> including calendars etc. very successfully. Let's try to know at
> least as much as the 5th graders:-)
> > Join this group!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Cheryl Grega, RN, MSN, COHN-S, CM
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Cheryl Grega, RN, MSN, COHN-S, CM
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Cheryl Grega, RN, MSN, COHN-S, CM
>

Gosh, and here I thought i asked you to write this for the
newsletter. And I posted earlier that it was going to be in the
newsletter.

Well, gotta say, this definately has pushed me over the edge with
this newsletter thing.

-- In NODROG@yahoogroups.com, Cheryl Grega <cherylgrega@...> wrote:
>
> How about this?
>
>
> Do you want to be in on the very latest up and coming events and
stuff that the NODROG Gordon Setter Club of Michigan is plotting,
planning, and scheming? Well we have found a way to expedite your
answers. We have formed a Yahoo group for the entire membership and
any other interested parties.
>
> Use the link in the e-mail to join or if you didn't get the e-
mail because your e-mail information isn't current with the club or
just because I am a blockhead and missed somebody.....
>
> To join:
> You go to Yahoo main page and click "groups".
> Search for NODROG in the groups (I tried to keep it very simple
because I am blond you know).
> When you get to our page (it has the logo and everything) you
just click "join".
>
> Please post your photos, your opinions (be nice), and share you
love and enthusiasm for our GS family members. This will help us get
up to speed before the 25th Anniversary and all the other things
ahead. This format has a calendar, polling ability and all kinds of
cool stuff. I just have to figure it out...uh oh....well I will try.
Join in. I want to hear from everyone.
>
>
>
> HTML Attachment [ Scan and Save to Computer ]
>
>
> This invitation expires in
30 days. Sunday, 12 August 2007 - 8:19 PM
UTC cherylgrega@... has
invited you to join the NODROG
group! I have
initiated this group in an effort to open the lines of communication
within the Club. I am not sure that I have entered the entire
membership nor am I sure how this works, BUT I will learn how to make
it work and we can bounce ideas within the membership and hopefully
get more input. If someone decides there is too much mail they
can "digest" or "unsubscribe". Puget Sound GSC has a group like this
and I know a 4H group that has utilized this tool for everything
including calendars etc. very successfully. Let's try to know at
least as much as the 5th graders:-)
> Join this group!
>
>
>
>
> Cheryl Grega, RN, MSN, COHN-S, CM
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Cheryl Grega, RN, MSN, COHN-S, CM
>

Gosh, and here I thought i asked you to write this for the
newsletter. And I posted earlier that it was going to be in the
newsletter.

Well, gotta say, this definately has pushed me over the edge with
this newsletter thing.



-- In NODROG@yahoogroups.com, Cheryl Grega <cherylgrega@...> wrote:
>
>     How about this?
>
>
>   Do you want to be in on the very latest up and coming events and
stuff that the NODROG Gordon Setter Club of Michigan is plotting,
planning, and scheming? Well we have found a way to expedite your
answers. We have formed a Yahoo group for the entire membership and
any other interested parties.
>
>   Use the link in the e-mail to join or if you didn't get the e-
mail because your e-mail information isn't current with the club or
just because I am a blockhead and missed somebody.....
>
>   To join:
>   You go to Yahoo main page and click "groups".
>   Search for NODROG in the groups (I tried to keep it very simple
because I am blond you know).
>   When you get to our page (it has the logo and everything) you
just click "join".
>
>   Please post your photos, your opinions (be nice), and share you
love and enthusiasm for our GS family members. This will help us get
up to speed before the 25th Anniversary and all the other things
ahead. This format has a calendar, polling ability and all kinds of
cool stuff. I just have to figure it out...uh oh....well I will try.
Join in. I want to hear from everyone.
>
>
>
>   HTML Attachment [ Scan and Save to Computer ]
>
>
>                                         This invitation expires in
30 days.  Sunday, 12 August 2007 - 8:19 PM
UTC                                            cherylgrega@... has
invited you to join the NODROG
group!                                                I have
initiated this group in an effort to open the lines of communication
within the Club. I am not sure that I have entered the entire
membership nor am I sure how this works, BUT I will learn how to make
it work and we can bounce ideas within the membership and hopefully
get more input. If someone decides there is too much mail they
can "digest" or "unsubscribe". Puget Sound GSC has a group like this
and I know a 4H group that has utilized this tool for everything
including calendars etc. very successfully. Let's try to know at
least as much as the 5th graders:-)
>                               Join this group!
>
>
>
>
>     Cheryl Grega, RN, MSN, COHN-S, CM
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Cheryl Grega, RN, MSN, COHN-S, CM
>

Hello,

This email message is a notification to let you know that
a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the NODROG
group.

   File        : /Gordon Setter Rescue Application.doc
   Uploaded by : dogonegold <dogonegold@...>
   Description : Application for Rescue dog

You can access this file at the URL:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NODROG/files/Gordon%20Setter%20Rescue%20Applicatio\
n.doc

To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit:
http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files

Regards,

dogonegold <dogonegold@...>

Cheryl if you want to write something up, I will be glad to send it
out to the membership.  Since I have everyone's email address, I can
easily send it for you.

Pat
Nodrog Membership Chair
www.healthypetnet.com/pat


--- In NODROG@yahoogroups.com, Cheryl Grega <cherylgrega@...> wrote:
>
> One can always hope:-) I will send out individual invites from the
membership list tomorrow.
>
> mackenziedream <Mackenziedream@...> wrote:
> For goodness sake--i still son't know if this is the correct way to
> reply---
>
> Have been busy gettin out the old newsletter and all!!
>
> Anyway--the article about it is on the front page---let's see if
that
> generates some interest. Afterall, certainly we didn't expect all
> members just to jump on board, did we?? but with time I feel they
will!
>
> :-)
>
> Jan
>
> --- In NODROG@yahoogroups.com, "cherylgrega" <cherylgrega@> wrote:
> >
> > How many Nodrog members are there? There are only 14 people in
this
> > group so far. It will be very difficult to improve communication
if
> the
> > majority of the membership do not participate.
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Cheryl Grega, RN, MSN, COHN-S, CM
>

For goodness sake--i still son't know if this is the correct way to
reply---

Have been busy gettin out the old newsletter and all!!

Anyway--the article about it is on the front page---let's see if that
generates some interest. Afterall, certainly we didn't expect all
members just to jump on board, did we?? but with time I feel they will!

:-)

Jan

--- In NODROG@yahoogroups.com, "cherylgrega" <cherylgrega@...> wrote:
>
> How many Nodrog members are there? There are only 14 people in this
> group so far. It will be very difficult to improve communication if
the
> majority of the membership do not participate.
>

For goodness sake--i still son't know if this is the correct way to
reply---

Have been busy gettin out the old newsletter and all!!

Anyway--the article about it is on the front page---let's see if that
generates some interest. Afterall, certainly we didn't expect all
members just to jump on board, did we?? but with time I feel they will!

:-)

Jan








--- In NODROG@yahoogroups.com, "cherylgrega" <cherylgrega@...> wrote:
>
> How many Nodrog members are there? There are only 14 people in this
> group so far. It will be very difficult to improve communication if
the
> majority of the membership do not participate.
>

According to the Membership List, there are 101 members and only 12
households without an email address.

Pat Franklin
Nodrog Membership Chair
www.healthypetnet.com/pat


--- In NODROG@yahoogroups.com, "cherylgrega" <cherylgrega@...> wrote:
>
> How many Nodrog members are there? There are only 14 people in this
> group so far. It will be very difficult to improve communication if
the
> majority of the membership do not participate.
>

How many Nodrog members are there? There are only 14 people in this
group so far. It will be very difficult to improve communication if the
majority of the membership do not participate.

Look at all the people that have joined our group. Lets all forward the
invitation to anyone they don't see listed that they know is a club
member and even thoughs we think might like to become a member, because
some people might have had there e-mail screeded for SPAM since it was
a bulk mailing. Let's get everybody signed up that we can!!!

Nodroggers have made a super response to the effort to improve health
in our wonderful breed with nearly 50 dogs signed up to register DNA
at the CHIC/DNA repository.

Some members have already sent samples in and we're having a "day of
show" clinic on September 23.  All you'll need is an application and a
3-generation pedigree.

If you don't have the application yet, please drop me a note either at
wyttsend@... or dianneavery@...

I will be away from email the week of August 19-24 so I'd like to make
sure everyone who wants to sign up does so this week.

Cost is only $10 (special rate).

Let's hear from you!

Dianne

Outstanding idea-it would also give names and faces to our adoptive families that would help members get to know them better and see the dogs as they progress.

Cheryl Grega <cherylgrega@yahoo.com> wrote:

Ooooooooo, I like that idea, more material for Jan and easier to contact them and get feedback about get togethers with the club.....one of the things you can do with these groups is post pictures on the home page and then Jan can pull what she needs:-)

dogonegold@aol.com wrote:

Cheryl, If I was to start a Rescue group it would be for the people that have adopted from us.  It would help us keep in contact with them and offer help if needed.  Im sure that we would get some funny stories and shared pic out of it. 

NODROG INC. Rescue Of Michigan
Cindy Baatz
Co-Chair

"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea"
Robert A. Heinlein

-----Original Message-----
From: Cheryl Grega <cherylgrega@yahoo.com>
To: NODROG@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 8:05 pm
Subject: Re: [NODROG] Thats funny

Me too...let's stick with one group for the time being and if it seems that rescue generates enough mail to need one of its' own you can always do it later:-) Meanwhile we are one!!

dogonegold <dogonegold@aol.com> wrote:

I was going to start on of these Yahoo Groups for the rescue too. I
hope this will help comunitcation.
Cindy Baatz
Rescue Chair

Cheryl Grega, RN, MSN, COHN-S, CM

---

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Cheryl Grega, RN, MSN, COHN-S, CM

Ooooooooo, I like that idea, more material for Jan and easier to contact them and get feedback about get togethers with the club.....one of the things you can do with these groups is post pictures on the home page and then Jan can pull what she needs:-)

dogonegold@aol.com wrote:

Cheryl, If I was to start a Rescue group it would be for the people that have adopted from us.  It would help us keep in contact with them and offer help if needed.  Im sure that we would get some funny stories and shared pic out of it. 

NODROG INC. Rescue Of Michigan
Cindy Baatz
Co-Chair

"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea"
Robert A. Heinlein

-----Original Message-----
From: Cheryl Grega <cherylgrega@yahoo.com>
To: NODROG@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 8:05 pm
Subject: Re: [NODROG] Thats funny

Me too...let's stick with one group for the time being and if it seems that rescue generates enough mail to need one of its' own you can always do it later:-) Meanwhile we are one!!

dogonegold <dogonegold@aol.com> wrote:

I was going to start on of these Yahoo Groups for the rescue too. I
hope this will help comunitcation.
Cindy Baatz
Rescue Chair

Cheryl Grega, RN, MSN, COHN-S, CM

---

AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com.

Cheryl Grega, RN, MSN, COHN-S, CM

Cheryl, If I was to start a Rescue group it would be for the people that have adopted from us.  It would help us keep in contact with them and offer help if needed.  Im sure that we would get some funny stories and shared pic out of it. 

NODROG INC. Rescue Of Michigan
Cindy Baatz
Co-Chair

"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea"
Robert A. Heinlein

-----Original Message-----
From: Cheryl Grega <cherylgrega@yahoo.com>
To: NODROG@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 8:05 pm
Subject: Re: [NODROG] Thats funny

Me too...let's stick with one group for the time being and if it seems that rescue generates enough mail to need one of its' own you can always do it later:-) Meanwhile we are one!!

dogonegold <dogonegold@aol.com> wrote:

I was going to start on of these Yahoo Groups for the rescue too. I
hope this will help comunitcation.
Cindy Baatz
Rescue Chair

Cheryl Grega, RN, MSN, COHN-S, CM

---

AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com.

Now i remember why I don't do these thing....How do you reply to a
message? When you hit the 'reply' button, you just get the already
posted message in the box, and no where to write your stuff in!

:-)
Jan

--- In NODROG@yahoogroups.com, "dogonegold" <dogonegold@...> wrote:
>
> I was going to start on of these Yahoo Groups for the rescue too. I
> hope this will help comunitcation.
> Cindy Baatz
> Rescue Chair
>


It can't hurt!

:-)
Jan

To: gordonsetters@yahoogroups.com
From: "conobtra" <conobtra@...>
Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 22:12:22 -0000
Subject: [GordonSetters] Does any breeder have an older dog or an older rescue looking for home.

There is a gentleman in the St. Louis area looking for an older dog
that a breeder has gotten back or a resuce dog. He has had other bench
Gordons and currently has a five year old male 75# Gordon. Sounds like
a very good home...fenced yard, property, etc. He is interested in
another bench sized Gordon.
Please let me know if you have something.
Thanks
Pat Thayer

I was going to start on of these Yahoo Groups for the rescue too. I
hope this will help comunitcation.
Cindy Baatz
Rescue Chair

Well, just thought I would give this a spin.

If anyone has anything for the newsletter, get it to me SOON! I am
working on it now, and when it is done, out it goes!

:-)
Jan

I was going to start on of these Yahoo Groups for the rescue too. I
hope this will help comunitcation.
Cindy Baatz
Rescue Chair

Well, just thought I would give this a spin.

If anyone has anything for the newsletter, get it to me SOON! I am
working on it now, and when it is done, out it goes!

:-)
Jan