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#7640 From: "Sherry's Birds" <birds@...>
Date: Fri Aug 14, 2009 12:44 pm
Subject: When Good Birds Go Bad
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On the Animal Talk Naturally show today, an interview with Liz Wilson.  I
haven't listened to it yet, just downloaded it, but just wanted to let you
know that it is a free mp3, about 52MB, if you are interested.  (Their
archived shows cost $, IDK when this one will go to the archive.  They're
worth it though, usually!)

http://www.animaltalknaturally.com/2009/08/13/when-good-birds-go-bad-show-276/

His,
Sherry
www.ittybittybirdiebites.com - home of Simple Sprouts!

#7639 From: "Sherry's Birds" <birds@...>
Date: Thu Aug 6, 2009 8:07 pm
Subject: an OT (but bird-related) video
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*I* wouldn't have even thought to do this!
 
Blessed to be a blessing,
Sherry
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"Forgiveness is the fragrance the violet sheds on the heel that has crushed it." ~ Mark Twain

#7638 From: "brdmom22" <brdmom22@...>
Date: Sun Aug 2, 2009 5:19 pm
Subject: Fw: Update - HR669 is still alive!
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----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2009 10:31 AM
Subject: Update - HR669 is still alive!


> HR669 is still alive and has been introduced to the House of
> Representatives.  This bill would outlaw countless "exotic animals"
> including birds,
> mammals, reptiles, and more that are non-native.   Breeding, interstate
> transfer, and other parts of aviculture would be  effectively eliminated.
> And now
> there are actual Humane Society of the  United States (HSUS)
> representatives
> working on this bill.  For those of  you that don't know, the HSUS is an
> animal rights organization who wants all pet  ownership to end and are not
> connected in any way to the local Humane Society in  your neighborhood.
>
> The full text of the bill is here:
> _http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h111-669_
> (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h111-669)
>
> It is vital you CALL your representatives and educate them about this
> bill
> and its effects on aviculture and other animal hobbies.  Have everyone
> you
> can CALL and tell your representatives to OPPOSE HR 669.  Other  officials
> have jumped on the bandwagon and have been using the pythons in  Florida
> as
> a scare tactic.  WE MUST CALL AND CONTINUE TO CALL AND MAKE OUR  FEELINGS
> KNOWN!  It is typical for representatives to set your mind at ease  by
> telling
> you that "it's being worked on" or "there is no new  information."  But
> rest assured that they are indeed working on this and  hoping enough time
> has
> passed for us to unaware of its status.
>
> This is a federal bill and will affect all of the United States and its
> territories.  You can easily get your representative's contact info by
> going
> to _https://writerep.house.gov/writerep/welcome.shtml_
> (https://writerep.house.gov/writerep/welcome.shtml)  and  entering your
> ZIP code.  It is vital
> you CALL and explain this to the  representative and their staff.
>
> TASC has representatives attending the American Federation of Aviculture's
> annual convention this week and we will return with updates as they become
> available.
>
> Thanks for your continued support on behalf of our birds,
> Jason J.  Crean
> President
> The Avicultural Society of Chicagoland
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#7637 From: "Sherry's Birds" <birds@...>
Date: Fri Jul 31, 2009 1:43 pm
Subject: Excellent article on training issues!
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This covers several common problems/questions that people have.
 
Blessed to be a blessing,
Sherry
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"Forgiveness is the fragrance the violet sheds on the heel that has crushed it." ~ Mark Twain

#7636 From: <ka8ykk@...>
Date: Wed Jul 22, 2009 12:59 am
Subject: Re: this is what you see...
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That is just TOO funny !!!  I loved it and the other pictures too..
 
 
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----- Original Message -----
From: birds@...
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 3:27 PM
Subject: [NaturalParrot] this is what you see...

 

...when you turn on your N810 Internet Tablet's camera on, and show the screen to your cockatiels - LOL!

("Nate" - or N8 - is my internet tablet & constant companion. I'm sending this email from him, so no sig file...but it's really me =G=)

Sherry


#7635 From: <birds@...>
Date: Tue Jul 21, 2009 8:27 pm
Subject: this is what you see...
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...when you turn on your N810 Internet Tablet's camera on, and show the screen
to your cockatiels - LOL!

("Nate" - or N8 - is my internet tablet & constant companion. I'm sending this
email from him, so no sig file...but it's really me =G=)

Sherry

#7634 From: "Sherry's Birds" <birds@...>
Date: Tue Jul 21, 2009 7:59 pm
Subject: Fw: pic # - oh heck, I lost count
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Chloe's attitude pose, look at those wide-spread legs and that glare - lol!  She doesn't like the camera much better than Phoebe does!
 
Blessed to be a blessing,
Sherry
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"Forgiveness is the fragrance the violet sheds on the heel that has crushed it." ~ Mark Twain

#7633 From: "Sherry's Birds" <birds@...>
Date: Tue Jul 21, 2009 7:57 pm
Subject: The rest of them
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Bey the Greyt (in his cage), tiels Klinger (grey) and Trapper (yellow), greencheek conure (Girlfriend, who stepped into her cage for a  quickbite), PFLB Punkin, and the other 2 PFLBs Precious & Papa who aren't out at the moment.  The lovebirds don't come out as much as they're not tame, and I have to net them to get them back in which I hate doing.
 
Blessed to be a blessing,
Sherry
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"Forgiveness is the fragrance the violet sheds on the heel that has crushed it." ~ Mark Twain

#7632 From: "Sherry's Birds" <birds@...>
Date: Tue Jul 21, 2009 7:49 pm
Subject: pic #3
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My precious Meyer's parrot, Elliot. Hard to believe I've had him almost 10 years already!
 
Blessed to be a blessing,
Sherry
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"Forgiveness is the fragrance the violet sheds on the heel that has crushed it." ~ Mark Twain

#7631 From: "Sherry's Birds" <birds@...>
Date: Tue Jul 21, 2009 7:48 pm
Subject: pic #2
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Max surveying his kingdom...
 
Blessed to be a blessing,
Sherry
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"Forgiveness is the fragrance the violet sheds on the heel that has crushed it." ~ Mark Twain

#7630 From: "Sherry's Birds" <birds@...>
Date: Tue Jul 21, 2009 7:47 pm
Subject: Haven't taken pics in a while...
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It seems like I end up with hundreds of bird photos that look the same, so I took a sabbitical from taking pics of my birds :).  However, today they've been so much fun and so cute that I picked up the camera once again and took 100 or so.  I'll just post a few though...
 
This one is Phoebe, who HATES the camera.  Whenever I point it toward her, she flies for some point behind my back.  This cracks me up!
 
Blessed to be a blessing,
Sherry
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"Forgiveness is the fragrance the violet sheds on the heel that has crushed it." ~ Mark Twain

#7629 From: "Sherry's Birds" <birds@...>
Date: Sun Jul 19, 2009 2:23 am
Subject: Wonderful photo and article!!!
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Blessed to be a blessing,
Sherry
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"Forgiveness is the fragrance the violet sheds on the heel that has crushed it." ~ Mark Twain

#7628 From: "Sherry's Birds" <birds@...>
Date: Sat Jul 18, 2009 1:51 pm
Subject: article: Parrot Status Under Review by Fish & Wildlife
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http://www.courthousenews.com/2009/07/17/Parrot_Status_Under_Review_by_Fish_&_Wi\
ldlife.htm

(CN) - The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service has initiated a status review of
12 parrot species to see if the species warrant listing under the Endangered
Species Act.
      Acting on a 2008 Petition from Friends of Animals, the Service found
that the petition contained sufficient data to warrant the full review.
      The 12 parrot species are: crimson shining parrot (Prosopeia
splendens), great green macaw (Ara ambiguus), grey-cheeked parakeet
(Brotogeris pyrrhoptera), hyacinth macaw (Anodorhynchus hyacinthinus),
military macaw (Ara militaris), Philippine cockatoo (Cacatua
haematuropygia), red-crowned parrot (Amazona viridigenalis), scarlet macaw
(Ara macao), thick-billed parrot (Rhynchopsitta pachyrhyncha), white
cockatoo (Cacatua alba), yellow-billed parrot (Amazona collaria), and the
yellow-crested cockatoo (Cacatua sulphurea).
      The 12 species face significant threats from degradation of habitat,
capture for the international pet trade and low reproduction rates. In 1990
nearly 150,000 parrots were imported into the United States. After congress
passed the Wild Bird Conservation Act of 1992 which restricted trade in
birds considered endangered by other countries, the number of parrots
imported fell to just 17,000 per year.

#7627 From: "brdmom22" <brdmom22@...>
Date: Mon Jul 13, 2009 10:13 pm
Subject: OT Fw: [moderatorcentral] Planned Outage: July 14, 15, and 16
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Subject: [moderatorcentral] Planned Outage: July 14, 15, and 16


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#7626 From: "brdmom22" <brdmom22@...>
Date: Fri Jul 10, 2009 9:22 pm
Subject: Re: article about Dr. Sakas
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LOL don't think he would but I would even settle for someone that trained
under him,I believe he trained with Dr LaFefer (of nurtriberries and
avicakes) but he never pushed any foods or pellets,he would give advise of
coarse but did not push the pellets etc
Heidi
Mz T sun conure
Frankie aka bUg BuG tiel
Freckles,Pebbles
and Splash/
http://shops.ittybittybirdiebites.com/Heidi/
www.mywellnessoils.com/heidikeitz.htm

Do what is right ,not what is comforatble


----- Original Message -----
From: "Sherry's Birds" <birds@...>
To: <NaturalParrot@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 3:43 PM
Subject: Re: [NaturalParrot] article about Dr. Sakas


>I knew he'd done wonders for your birds, so the article caught my eye.
>Wish
> we had some avian vets around here, closest one is 100 miles
> away...although
> there's one in TC who "sees birds".  Too bad you can't bring him with
> you -
> maybe he'd like to start a new practice in lovely northern Michigan?
>
> His,
> Sherry
> www.ittybittybirdiebites.com - home of Simple Sprouts!
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "brdmom22" <brdmom22@...>
>> he saved both Frankies and Mz T lives when I first got them and they were
>> sick,he is a very nice guy I just wish I wan't so far away from his
>> office
>> now,but I still can go see him if needed
>
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#7625 From: "Sherry's Birds" <birds@...>
Date: Fri Jul 10, 2009 8:43 pm
Subject: Re: article about Dr. Sakas
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I knew he'd done wonders for your birds, so the article caught my eye.  Wish
we had some avian vets around here, closest one is 100 miles away...although
there's one in TC who "sees birds".  Too bad you can't bring him with you -
maybe he'd like to start a new practice in lovely northern Michigan?

His,
Sherry
www.ittybittybirdiebites.com - home of Simple Sprouts!


----- Original Message -----
From: "brdmom22" <brdmom22@...>
> he saved both Frankies and Mz T lives when I first got them and they were
> sick,he is a very nice guy I just wish I wan't so far away from his office
> now,but I still can go see him if needed

#7624 From: "brdmom22" <brdmom22@...>
Date: Fri Jul 10, 2009 1:40 pm
Subject: Re: article about Dr. Sakas
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he saved both Frankies and Mz T lives when I first got them and they were
sick,he is a very nice guy I just wish I wan't so far away from his office
now,but I still can go see him if needed
Heidi
Mz T sun conure
Frankie aka bUg BuG tiel
Freckles,Pebbles
and Splash/
http://shops.ittybittybirdiebites.com/Heidi/
www.mywellnessoils.com/heidikeitz.htm

Do what is right ,not what is comforatble


----- Original Message -----
From: "Sherry's Birds" <birds@...>
To: <NaturalParrot@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 8:32 AM
Subject: [NaturalParrot] article about Dr. Sakas


http://www.pioneerlocal.com/norridge/news/1655768,niles-petdoc-070909-s1.article

Blessed to be a blessing,
Sherry
More than you want to know about me :) @ Website (updated 6/1/09!) ~
Facebook ~ Twitter ~ Blog
"Forgiveness is the fragrance the violet sheds on the heel that has crushed
it." ~ Mark Twain

#7623 From: "Sherry's Birds" <birds@...>
Date: Fri Jul 10, 2009 1:32 pm
Subject: article about Dr. Sakas
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Blessed to be a blessing,
Sherry
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"Forgiveness is the fragrance the violet sheds on the heel that has crushed it." ~ Mark Twain

#7622 From: "brdmom22" <brdmom22@...>
Date: Sun Jun 28, 2009 1:50 pm
Subject: please help share the link
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they are trying to take pain meds for those of us with chronic pain please
read and share the link
http://www.healthcentral.com/chronic-pain/c/5949/74180/medications?ic=6042

#7621 From: "Sherry's Birds" <birds@...>
Date: Sun Jun 28, 2009 4:57 am
Subject: Re: Fw: [BirdBreedersForum] REUNITED! Cockatiel in IL back home after more than 4 years!
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That is absolutely AMAZING!  It gives me chills and makes me want to cry, I'm so happy for Rickers and his people!
 
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"Forgiveness is the fragrance the violet sheds on the heel that has crushed it." ~ Mark Twain
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: "brdmom22" <brdmom22@...>
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 10:53 AM
Subject: [NaturalParrot] Fw: [BirdBreedersForum] REUNITED! Cockatiel in IL back home after more than 4 years!

>
> Sent: Monday, June 22, 2009 6:37 PM
> Subject: [-All4Budgies] Fw: [BirdBreedersForum] REUNITED! Cockatiel in IL
> back home after more than 4 years!
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: 8Joyce Baum
> Sent: Monday, June 22, 2009 4:51 PM
> Subject: [BirdBreedersForum] REUNITED! Cockatiel in IL back home after more
> than 4 years!
>
>
>
>
> Got this today and thought I'd share it with everyone. Feel free to cross
> post this great news.
> Joyce
>
>
> 911 PARROT ALERT
> COCKATIEL "RICKERS" REUNITED
> WITH HIS FAMILY
> Congratulations to all involved, this might be a 911 Parrot Alert record!
>
> FOUND: IL, Metropolis, Grey Cockatiel (banded), Apr 23.09
> (911PA Messages 56014, 56200, 57414, 58505)
>
> LOST: IL, Chicago, Cockatiel "Rickers", Aug.21.05
> (911 PA Messages 9989, 10077, 10387)
>
> REUNITED: IL, Metropolis, Cockatiel 'Rickers', Apr 23.09
>
> I am including the whole story and I want to thank you so much. You are a
> wonderful group and so helpful. PLEASE READ
>
> On April 23rd in I recieved a phone call from Lee Parker at the Metropolis,
> Illinois Project Hope animal shelter saying that a man named Dallas Pye
> called that works at a local buisness in town that has found a bird in the
> alley. They asked if I would be interested in picking him up and taking care
> of him. They said he explained the discription sounded like a tiel.
>
> I went and picked him up and saw a skinny grey tiel setting in his window
> that he brought in. Dallas found it laying in the alley at his place of
> work. I had a bird cage ready and sitting in the van with food and water. As
> soon as I put him in he went straight for food and water. I have birds of my
> own so for the first week or two I kept him in a seperate room, in case he
> was ill.
>
> I noticed a little band on his leg, it wasnt a closed band and not a
> quarenteen band either. It was a band that had been cut, and wrapped around
> his leg, overlaping and tight. It is a painful frightening process to put
> him through. He was very upset about the band, as if it was new, biting at
> it and squawking about.
>
> After I put ads in all newspapers within 80 miles and got no new leads I
> checked out the internet. I found several places to look and to post.
> 911parrotalert being my favorite because they seem to have just about
> everyone and a bunch of helpful information. I also joined a LegBandNumbers
> group to trace this band to a breeder which it has not been traced. I met a
> bunch of very knowledgeable helpful and sweet people on that site to advise
> me on what to do.
>
> He had hurt himself some on the band and also had cut his leg pretty good on
> it at my house and had to be givin antibiotics. We had him checked for a
> microchip but he didnt have one. Still thin and slowly recovering, I fuigure
> all I can do now is wait and see who contacts me.
>
> I had a phonecall... the lady on the other end of the phone told me that he
> was unwanted and unloved and I would never find his owner because his owner
> didnt want to be found. I of course asked how she knew this and she
> explained she was at Casey's gas station (busy area in a small town) broad
> daylight and a white minivan with vanity plates stoped in the middle of the
> street and rolled down the window and a man threw him out of the window. I
> asked if she notified police, but said she didnt want to be involved. I did,
> and gave them her # too.
>
> The ad was in the paper, many locals knew I had a found bird, everyone reads
> the paper here and someone threw a tiel out of a window at a busy
> intersection in town in the day and no one else calls. Hmmmm. Ironicly it
> was the same area he was found, but as strange as her story was I have to
> consider it. So I made the police report which they have also been very nice
> and helpful about this situation.
>
> I went to his cage and just sadly stared at him and said "so you are
> unwanted, huh?" as I walked away he said "Retty IRD" he couldnt get all the
> letters into pretty bird but he was trying. He said it louder and louder and
> once he got it down pat we heard it for a good 4 or 5 hours straight until
> he was exhausted.
>
> The next morning I woke up to gargeling and scratchy noises as if he was
> fustrated and remembering something else...next thing I knew he was
> laughing. "Hahahahaha" so then we had a day of "Retty Ird" and
> "hahahahahahaha" I looked in his cage again and said "YOU ARE NOT UNWANTED!"
> He was louder and louder beyond the sound of a tiel and more in comparison
> of a conure.
>
> Perhaps to a close minded person that hadnt had a bird very long, they may
> have tossed him out a window after all. The next day was a new sound... A
> CAR ALARM!!! just as loud as the real thing, lol. Later that evening I got
> the gurgeling again...out came the alarm clock noise!
>
> I changed my search, I did not want to find who put this awful band on him,
> I did not care to find who tossed him out a window. I wanted to find who
> taught him all this. He did too, he would remember it and it was non stop
> "telling me to search, I want to go HOME!" He began this deal with banging
> on his food dish so hard I thought he would hurt himself. It was way harder
> and longer than my males standard territorial thing.
>
> It got better...I was taking calls on my cell phone and he would get so bent
> outa shape I had to take all calls outside. I decided to hold the phone up
> to him and help him to see that the phone wasnt hurting me. He ran with his
> wings out to that phone, put his head on the earpiece and said.... "Oh! ,
> Watcha doin? Hahahahahahaha... Retty Ird, wolf whistle, over here whistle
> and so on", lol.
>
> I had a lady Amy Coram that travels town to town in several counties here to
> go over diet, counsel weigh, and clip birds. She came to the house and cut
> his toenails (which were the longest I have ever seen) and clip his wings so
> he could come out and play with my birds. She set him on a perch and looked
> him over and weighed him and he was such a good boy. He had to be without a
> way to perch with such long nails and his beak was verry long as well. She
> clipped his wings and toe nails and he was cool as could be about it. Didnt
> squirm like mine, lol. Afterwards she set him on her finger and he sang to
> her. Then he gave her a kiss.
>
> UNWANTED??? He has a way to grab your heart and make you give him whatever
> he wants. Bird rescues helping and vets, and specialists all were deeply
> touched by him. Some calling just to talk to him, lol. He has had calls from
> Texas, Louisville, KY, Nashville, TN and Michigan even. He was doing good
> here gaining weight and talking more and more, remembering and demanding we
> know about who he was. He was not lacking a home, everyone wanting him, but
> we were all knowing he needed his home.
>
> I made him a promise, as silly as this sounds... to not let him be thrown
> away, to not let him be banded and tossed in a dark chicken cage to be sold.
> To not be silenced in the dark, and to not go hungry. Someone put alot of
> time and trouble and love into him some time ago and he was missed and he
> missed someone special.
>
> Thus my search became even more intense. I had a volunteer from
> 911parrotalert whom lives in Michigan contact me and vowed to work endlesly
> with me contacting many, many people. Thank you for not sleeping that week
> Denise Landrum, you are a wonderful person and I am thrilled to have a new
> friend in you.
>
> With the support of others I have met that were knowledgable in one way or
> another she and I began searching the internet for "Retty Irds owner" They
> would send photos and I would foreward to Michigan and she would contact me
> back with a poster lining up facts on changes with time, diet and weight
> special markings etc... to going over personalities.
>
> So many lovely tiels in the state, it was so difficult to tell someone it
> wasnt their bird. It was the only way to know though. We had to rule people
> out and do all the same. Needle in a haystack! Then we had some that were
> real longshots. Denise gave me a few to email that were just so long ago
> that I was questioning how silly I will look emailing these people.
>
> Remember he had a bootleg band so we know he was in captivity, not freezing
> in the winter. If the place or places he stayed were good or bad, they kept
> him alive. He didnt starve, and he didnt freeze. Could have been gone for
> any length of time and we couldnt restrict miles. His band did say Illinois
> so we had a good idea he has possibly remained instate.
>
> During the course of emails loading my box endlesly I opened one that read
> something like this (this info was in the course of 2 emails from her).....
> "I know that it is unlikely, but we keep staring at his photo and he looks
> just like ours. We miss him so much. I will first tell you a little about
> our lil guy. His name is "Rickers" but he only responds to pretty bird. It
> is his favorite word. He doesnt say pretty bird though, he says "retty ird".
> He laughs, He does some whistles, wolf whistle, cat call, and whistels
> random songs. He dives into his food dish and loves to bang on just the dish
> with his beak real loud. You would think it hurts because it is louder and
> harder than normal. He is very loud, almost amplified for a tiel. He loves
> his neck rubbed and will let you know when to leave him alone. He is
> persistant on getting what he wants. Trusts and loves people. He also does a
> car alarm and an alarm clock. He picks up on sounds very easily. I saw in
> the photo he has the same heart shape circles and the same white hook on his
> neck as my Rickers. He isnt afraid of anything. Give him a shower, he loves
> to sing in them. He can hear his voice amplified even more in the bathroom
> he loves it. If he remembers he may take water from a gerbil bottle and eat
> mashed potatoes from a spoon. Can I have a phone number?"
>
> Well, I gave her my number, lol. I got the chills when the bird laughed on
> the phone and she laughed back, IT WAS THE SAME LAUGH! He put his head on
> the phone and was soooo quiet and looked at the phone, and looked at me and
> began kissing the phone and listening (he had never been silent on the phone
> before) Once he started making noise, she began labeling them! Oh thats the
> old car alarm from down the street....Oh thats the alarm clock in my room.
>
> I sent in photos to Denise and got a comparisons twice, and one call to a
> bird behaviorist in Texas (Thank you Jammie) and it was official. I called
> her and told her we had her "Rickers".
>
> This is the part that is sooooooo hard to believe....Karl & Marilee
> Rutherford lost Rickers in the city of Chicago 400 miles away from me and
> she lost him in 2005 4 YEARS AGO!!!
>
> They were notified on the 10th of June and arrived to pick him up June 14th.
> They rented a car and did 800 miles total in one day and came in the house
> and said "pretty bird" He looked up and said "retty.......IRRRRRRRD!" He got
> right on her hand and climbed to her neck and then gave kisses, they rubbed
> his face and neck....he would not let me do that but he fell asleep when
> they did. No doubt to them or us at that point that this was him. This was a
> moment I will never forget.
>
> He remained very quiet durring most of their stay and just kept looking up
> with his head half turned squinting and basking in the joy that after 4
> years he is home. They got him home and have emailed me regularly amazed at
> his memory. He remembers everything and is back to his old tricks. They took
> him to his amazed vet and had the band removed, and checked over. All is
> well from my last word yesterday.
>
> If this little birdy can overcome such large obstacles then how much more
> can we overcome? I miss that persistant lil mimic "Pretty Bird" and it was 7
> weeks of my life I will not soon forget, but he is where he needs to
> be...Home. Thank you all for your help and prayers.
>
> I just think little Rickers flew into all of our lives with a message, and
> one way or another he makes you think about how many things don’t make sense
> but have pourpose. Even if it is sad, heartbreaking, not fair, or painful it
> all has purpose. Perhaps he had to be missing so long as a message to hold
> on. With all logic Rickers does not make sense, I agree! But thats the
> amazing part of life, all the things that cant be explained. Rickers is a
> heartwarming fellow, and has gotten ahead of the others by making some
> noise, and remembering, and trusting. It sure wouldnt hurt me to learn to
> mimic him for a change. Blessings. Melissa

#7620 From: <ka8ykk@...>
Date: Sun Jun 28, 2009 5:09 am
Subject: Re: A Dose of Cute
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Subject: [NaturalParrot] A Dose of Cute

 
I've subscribed to Frank's photography for several years...this week he posted A Dose of Cute.  Let's just say that it's a good thing I don't have room for a cattle egret!
 
Adorable baby parrots included :).
 
OK, all at once: AWWWWWWWWW!
 
 
Blessed to be a blessing,
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"Forgiveness is the fragrance the violet sheds on the heel that has crushed it." ~ Mark Twain


#7619 From: "Sherry's Birds" <birds@...>
Date: Sun Jun 28, 2009 12:38 am
Subject: A Dose of Cute
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I've subscribed to Frank's photography for several years...this week he posted A Dose of Cute.  Let's just say that it's a good thing I don't have room for a cattle egret!
 
Adorable baby parrots included :).
 
OK, all at once: AWWWWWWWWW!
 
 
Blessed to be a blessing,
Sherry
More than you want to know about me :) @ Website (updated 6/1/09!) ~ Facebook ~ Twitter ~ Blog
"Forgiveness is the fragrance the violet sheds on the heel that has crushed it." ~ Mark Twain

#7618 From: "brdmom22" <brdmom22@...>
Date: Wed Jun 24, 2009 2:53 pm
Subject: Fw: [BirdBreedersForum] REUNITED! Cockatiel in IL back home after more than 4 years!
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back home after more than 4 years!



----- Original Message -----
From: 8Joyce Baum
Sent: Monday, June 22, 2009 4:51 PM
Subject: [BirdBreedersForum] REUNITED! Cockatiel in IL back home after more
than 4 years!




Got this today and thought I'd share it with everyone. Feel free to cross
post this great news.
Joyce


911 PARROT ALERT
COCKATIEL "RICKERS" REUNITED
WITH HIS FAMILY
Congratulations to all involved, this might be a 911 Parrot Alert record!

FOUND: IL, Metropolis, Grey Cockatiel (banded), Apr 23.09
(911PA Messages 56014, 56200, 57414, 58505)

LOST: IL, Chicago, Cockatiel "Rickers", Aug.21.05
(911 PA Messages 9989, 10077, 10387)

REUNITED: IL, Metropolis, Cockatiel 'Rickers', Apr 23.09

I am including the whole story and I want to thank you so much. You are a
wonderful group and so helpful. PLEASE READ

On April 23rd in I recieved a phone call from Lee Parker at the Metropolis,
Illinois Project Hope animal shelter saying that a man named Dallas Pye
called that works at a local buisness in town that has found a bird in the
alley. They asked if I would be interested in picking him up and taking care
of him. They said he explained the discription sounded like a tiel.

I went and picked him up and saw a skinny grey tiel setting in his window
that he brought in. Dallas found it laying in the alley at his place of
work. I had a bird cage ready and sitting in the van with food and water. As
soon as I put him in he went straight for food and water. I have birds of my
own so for the first week or two I kept him in a seperate room, in case he
was ill.

I noticed a little band on his leg, it wasnt a closed band and not a
quarenteen band either. It was a band that had been cut, and wrapped around
his leg, overlaping and tight. It is a painful frightening process to put
him through. He was very upset about the band, as if it was new, biting at
it and squawking about.

After I put ads in all newspapers within 80 miles and got no new leads I
checked out the internet. I found several places to look and to post.
911parrotalert being my favorite because they seem to have just about
everyone and a bunch of helpful information. I also joined a LegBandNumbers
group to trace this band to a breeder which it has not been traced. I met a
bunch of very knowledgeable helpful and sweet people on that site to advise
me on what to do.

He had hurt himself some on the band and also had cut his leg pretty good on
it at my house and had to be givin antibiotics. We had him checked for a
microchip but he didnt have one. Still thin and slowly recovering, I fuigure
all I can do now is wait and see who contacts me.

I had a phonecall... the lady on the other end of the phone told me that he
was unwanted and unloved and I would never find his owner because his owner
didnt want to be found. I of course asked how she knew this and she
explained she was at Casey's gas station (busy area in a small town) broad
daylight and a white minivan with vanity plates stoped in the middle of the
street and rolled down the window and a man threw him out of the window. I
asked if she notified police, but said she didnt want to be involved. I did,
and gave them her # too.

The ad was in the paper, many locals knew I had a found bird, everyone reads
the paper here and someone threw a tiel out of a window at a busy
intersection in town in the day and no one else calls. Hmmmm. Ironicly it
was the same area he was found, but as strange as her story was I have to
consider it. So I made the police report which they have also been very nice
and helpful about this situation.

I went to his cage and just sadly stared at him and said "so you are
unwanted, huh?" as I walked away he said "Retty IRD" he couldnt get all the
letters into pretty bird but he was trying. He said it louder and louder and
once he got it down pat we heard it for a good 4 or 5 hours straight until
he was exhausted.

The next morning I woke up to gargeling and scratchy noises as if he was
fustrated and remembering something else...next thing I knew he was
laughing. "Hahahahaha" so then we had a day of "Retty Ird" and
"hahahahahahaha" I looked in his cage again and said "YOU ARE NOT UNWANTED!"
He was louder and louder beyond the sound of a tiel and more in comparison
of a conure.

Perhaps to a close minded person that hadnt had a bird very long, they may
have tossed him out a window after all. The next day was a new sound... A
CAR ALARM!!! just as loud as the real thing, lol. Later that evening I got
the gurgeling again...out came the alarm clock noise!

I changed my search, I did not want to find who put this awful band on him,
I did not care to find who tossed him out a window. I wanted to find who
taught him all this. He did too, he would remember it and it was non stop
"telling me to search, I want to go HOME!" He began this deal with banging
on his food dish so hard I thought he would hurt himself. It was way harder
and longer than my males standard territorial thing.

It got better...I was taking calls on my cell phone and he would get so bent
outa shape I had to take all calls outside. I decided to hold the phone up
to him and help him to see that the phone wasnt hurting me. He ran with his
wings out to that phone, put his head on the earpiece and said.... "Oh! ,
Watcha doin? Hahahahahahaha... Retty Ird, wolf whistle, over here whistle
and so on", lol.

I had a lady Amy Coram that travels town to town in several counties here to
go over diet, counsel weigh, and clip birds. She came to the house and cut
his toenails (which were the longest I have ever seen) and clip his wings so
he could come out and play with my birds. She set him on a perch and looked
him over and weighed him and he was such a good boy. He had to be without a
way to perch with such long nails and his beak was verry long as well. She
clipped his wings and toe nails and he was cool as could be about it. Didnt
squirm like mine, lol. Afterwards she set him on her finger and he sang to
her. Then he gave her a kiss.

UNWANTED??? He has a way to grab your heart and make you give him whatever
he wants. Bird rescues helping and vets, and specialists all were deeply
touched by him. Some calling just to talk to him, lol. He has had calls from
Texas, Louisville, KY, Nashville, TN and Michigan even. He was doing good
here gaining weight and talking more and more, remembering and demanding we
know about who he was. He was not lacking a home, everyone wanting him, but
we were all knowing he needed his home.

I made him a promise, as silly as this sounds... to not let him be thrown
away, to not let him be banded and tossed in a dark chicken cage to be sold.
To not be silenced in the dark, and to not go hungry. Someone put alot of
time and trouble and love into him some time ago and he was missed and he
missed someone special.

Thus my search became even more intense. I had a volunteer from
911parrotalert whom lives in Michigan contact me and vowed to work endlesly
with me contacting many, many people. Thank you for not sleeping that week
Denise Landrum, you are a wonderful person and I am thrilled to have a new
friend in you.

With the support of others I have met that were knowledgable in one way or
another she and I began searching the internet for "Retty Irds owner" They
would send photos and I would foreward to Michigan and she would contact me
back with a poster lining up facts on changes with time, diet and weight
special markings etc... to going over personalities.

So many lovely tiels in the state, it was so difficult to tell someone it
wasnt their bird. It was the only way to know though. We had to rule people
out and do all the same. Needle in a haystack! Then we had some that were
real longshots. Denise gave me a few to email that were just so long ago
that I was questioning how silly I will look emailing these people.

Remember he had a bootleg band so we know he was in captivity, not freezing
in the winter. If the place or places he stayed were good or bad, they kept
him alive. He didnt starve, and he didnt freeze. Could have been gone for
any length of time and we couldnt restrict miles. His band did say Illinois
so we had a good idea he has possibly remained instate.

During the course of emails loading my box endlesly I opened one that read
something like this (this info was in the course of 2 emails from her).....
"I know that it is unlikely, but we keep staring at his photo and he looks
just like ours. We miss him so much. I will first tell you a little about
our lil guy. His name is "Rickers" but he only responds to pretty bird. It
is his favorite word. He doesnt say pretty bird though, he says "retty ird".
He laughs, He does some whistles, wolf whistle, cat call, and whistels
random songs. He dives into his food dish and loves to bang on just the dish
with his beak real loud. You would think it hurts because it is louder and
harder than normal. He is very loud, almost amplified for a tiel. He loves
his neck rubbed and will let you know when to leave him alone. He is
persistant on getting what he wants. Trusts and loves people. He also does a
car alarm and an alarm clock. He picks up on sounds very easily. I saw in
the photo he has the same heart shape circles and the same white hook on his
neck as my Rickers. He isnt afraid of anything. Give him a shower, he loves
to sing in them. He can hear his voice amplified even more in the bathroom
he loves it. If he remembers he may take water from a gerbil bottle and eat
mashed potatoes from a spoon. Can I have a phone number?"

Well, I gave her my number, lol. I got the chills when the bird laughed on
the phone and she laughed back, IT WAS THE SAME LAUGH! He put his head on
the phone and was soooo quiet and looked at the phone, and looked at me and
began kissing the phone and listening (he had never been silent on the phone
before) Once he started making noise, she began labeling them! Oh thats the
old car alarm from down the street....Oh thats the alarm clock in my room.

I sent in photos to Denise and got a comparisons twice, and one call to a
bird behaviorist in Texas (Thank you Jammie) and it was official. I called
her and told her we had her "Rickers".

This is the part that is sooooooo hard to believe....Karl & Marilee
Rutherford lost Rickers in the city of Chicago 400 miles away from me and
she lost him in 2005 4 YEARS AGO!!!

They were notified on the 10th of June and arrived to pick him up June 14th.
They rented a car and did 800 miles total in one day and came in the house
and said "pretty bird" He looked up and said "retty.......IRRRRRRRD!" He got
right on her hand and climbed to her neck and then gave kisses, they rubbed
his face and neck....he would not let me do that but he fell asleep when
they did. No doubt to them or us at that point that this was him. This was a
moment I will never forget.

He remained very quiet durring most of their stay and just kept looking up
with his head half turned squinting and basking in the joy that after 4
years he is home. They got him home and have emailed me regularly amazed at
his memory. He remembers everything and is back to his old tricks. They took
him to his amazed vet and had the band removed, and checked over. All is
well from my last word yesterday.

If this little birdy can overcome such large obstacles then how much more
can we overcome? I miss that persistant lil mimic "Pretty Bird" and it was 7
weeks of my life I will not soon forget, but he is where he needs to
be...Home. Thank you all for your help and prayers.

I just think little Rickers flew into all of our lives with a message, and
one way or another he makes you think about how many things don’t make sense
but have pourpose. Even if it is sad, heartbreaking, not fair, or painful it
all has purpose. Perhaps he had to be missing so long as a message to hold
on. With all logic Rickers does not make sense, I agree! But thats the
amazing part of life, all the things that cant be explained. Rickers is a
heartwarming fellow, and has gotten ahead of the others by making some
noise, and remembering, and trusting. It sure wouldnt hurt me to learn to
mimic him for a change. Blessings. Melissa

#7617 From: "J-Isis" <back-to-zero@...>
Date: Mon Jun 22, 2009 12:58 pm
Subject: RE: FW: Hi all....Buttons stickers and other stuff )
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Thanks everyone for all your positive feedback!  I really appreciate it!!

 

J & Isisaurus Rex

 


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Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 8:30 PM
To: Angelwing@yahoogroups.com; NaturalParrot@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [NaturalParrot] FW: Hi all....Buttons stickers and other stuff )
Importance: High

 




I am continuing to add stuff to my site if you would like to be kept up on al of it I started a new group http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/Got-Grey/  this way I don’t have to spam the groups all the time :)  I will have specials and sales coming up soon!

 

Feel free to forward this on…..when you join tell us how you heard about us and we will get you in!!

 

Thanks for everything!!!

 

 

 

 

 



#7616 From: "brdmom22" <brdmom22@...>
Date: Sun Jun 21, 2009 6:00 pm
Subject: eNature: America's Wildlife Resource
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on the right side near the top its says I want to.. then a drop down menu
click on it then click on see whats in my area ( the first choice they have)
http://enature.com/home/

Heidi
Mz T sun conure
Frankie aka bUg BuG tiel
Freckles,Pebbles
and Splash/
http://shops.ittybittybirdiebites.com/Heidi/
www.mywellnessoils.com/heidikeitz.htm

If the Lord leads you to it,he will lead you through it

#7615 From: "brdmom22" <brdmom22@...>
Date: Sun Jun 21, 2009 5:55 pm
Subject: Re: wild bird excitement
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I have no idea what your little black bird is I think I have a link,probably
sent it tp you some time ago where you enter your zip and it will bring up
what kind of wildlife is in your area ,will send it again,well I'll try
anyway ,been having issues accessing web pages did a trouble shoot and my
modem is working ok so I rebooted and so far so good,anyway your dove will
need gravel /grit no need to buy any just fine sand that you have there
should do as thats what they would eat normally,do you have a water supply
out there for the dove? since she is the one kinda bound to the area for now
and the little guy gee I don't know what to feed him has he/sh gone down to
what you have tossed out?
Heidi
Mz T sun conure
Frankie aka bUg BuG tiel
Freckles,Pebbles
and Splash/
http://shops.ittybittybirdiebites.com/Heidi/
www.mywellnessoils.com/heidikeitz.htm

If the Lord leads you to it,he will lead you through it

----- Original Message -----
From: "Sherry's Birds" <birds@...>
To: <pionus-photo@yahoogroups.com>; <NaturalParrot@yahoogroups.com>; "gwen"
<gwen@...>
Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2009 12:06 PM
Subject: [NaturalParrot] wild bird excitement


We have a little alcove where we store stuff over the winter (and it hasn't
been cleaned out yet this spring since hubby fell off a ladder off of a
stage at work and messed up his shoulder), and this is the scene that we
encountered after church today. We have the dove on the nest on the ladder
(she tried to build on a rung but it kept falling, so my husband wedged the
box in there, she's on her 2nd clutch right now), and so I got into the
habit of tossing out some seed mix (my own creation, I have no idea what
they eat so I put out red and white millet, milo, black oilers, and oat
groats - suggestions appreciated).  The chipmunk living under the pallets
shares in the breakfast.  But this morning we had a visitor sitting on the
spare bird cages!  The little black bird has been there all day, hasn't
moved, lets us approach to within 2 feet without showing fear or
apprehension...we don't know what he could be but think he's very young.
Anyone have any ideas?  pics show alcove (note chipmunk, dove, and little
black visitor), the little black bird, the dove that's been out there for
nearly 2 months, and our fat chipmunk.

UPDATE: While I was typing, Pete went out and carried the cage out of the
alcove, because Mama was sitting in a tree calling to him, and he wasn't
answering. So he moved it out where she could see him.  He flew to the top
of the gate (missed the first time), and answered her.  She got into a tree
above him and kept going from higher to lower branches, calling the whole
time.  He seemed unconcerned.  (I got that on video, will put it on facebook
later.)  After I stopped recording - of course! - he took off and flew down
the road about 300 feet, with her right with him.  They both landed on the
neighbor's front lawn.  So I'm sure all will be well and I'm really thankful
that I got to watch Junior's flying lesson for the last couple of hours :).

Here are the pictures anyway.  Pete said he thinks it's a grackle.

The REALLY cool part is that my mom, who suffers from Lewy Body Disease and
I placed into a nearby nursing home last year, spends Sundays with us.  She
was sitting on the porch and watching the whole thing, and got a really big
kick out of it.  She doesn't get much interaction with nature there and it
is so good for her!  I'd have her here more often but it tends to increase
her symptoms when the routine changes...

Blessed to be a blessing,
Sherry
More than you want to know about me :) @ Website (updated 6/1/09!) ~
Facebook ~ Twitter ~ Blog
"Forgiveness is the fragrance the violet sheds on the heel that has crushed
it." ~ Mark Twain

#7614 From: "Sherry's Birds" <birds@...>
Date: Sun Jun 21, 2009 5:06 pm
Subject: wild bird excitement
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We have a little alcove where we store stuff over the winter (and it hasn't been cleaned out yet this spring since hubby fell off a ladder off of a stage at work and messed up his shoulder), and this is the scene that we encountered after church today. We have the dove on the nest on the ladder (she tried to build on a rung but it kept falling, so my husband wedged the box in there, she's on her 2nd clutch right now), and so I got into the habit of tossing out some seed mix (my own creation, I have no idea what they eat so I put out red and white millet, milo, black oilers, and oat groats - suggestions appreciated).  The chipmunk living under the pallets shares in the breakfast.  But this morning we had a visitor sitting on the spare bird cages!  The little black bird has been there all day, hasn't moved, lets us approach to within 2 feet without showing fear or apprehension...we don't know what he could be but think he's very young.  Anyone have any ideas?  pics show alcove (note chipmunk, dove, and little black visitor), the little black bird, the dove that's been out there for nearly 2 months, and our fat chipmunk.
 
UPDATE: While I was typing, Pete went out and carried the cage out of the alcove, because Mama was sitting in a tree calling to him, and he wasn't answering. So he moved it out where she could see him.  He flew to the top of the gate (missed the first time), and answered her.  She got into a tree above him and kept going from higher to lower branches, calling the whole time.  He seemed unconcerned.  (I got that on video, will put it on facebook later.)  After I stopped recording - of course! - he took off and flew down the road about 300 feet, with her right with him.  They both landed on the neighbor's front lawn.  So I'm sure all will be well and I'm really thankful that I got to watch Junior's flying lesson for the last couple of hours :). 
 
Here are the pictures anyway.  Pete said he thinks it's a grackle.
 
The REALLY cool part is that my mom, who suffers from Lewy Body Disease and I placed into a nearby nursing home last year, spends Sundays with us.  She was sitting on the porch and watching the whole thing, and got a really big kick out of it.  She doesn't get much interaction with nature there and it is so good for her!  I'd have her here more often but it tends to increase her symptoms when the routine changes...
 
Blessed to be a blessing,
Sherry
More than you want to know about me :) @ Website (updated 6/1/09!) ~ Facebook ~ Twitter ~ Blog
"Forgiveness is the fragrance the violet sheds on the heel that has crushed it." ~ Mark Twain

#7613 From: "Sherry's Birds" <birds@...>
Date: Sun Jun 21, 2009 1:17 pm
Subject: news article
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Critical fundraiser cancelled for NYC metro rescue http://ping.fm/3rxFG

 
Blessed to be a blessing,
Sherry
More than you want to know about me :) @ Website (updated 6/1/09!) ~ Facebook ~ Twitter ~ Blog
"Forgiveness is the fragrance the violet sheds on the heel that has crushed it." ~ Mark Twain

#7612 From: "J-Isis" <back-to-zero@...>
Date: Sat Jun 20, 2009 1:30 am
Subject: FW: Hi all....Buttons stickers and other stuff )
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I am continuing to add stuff to my site if you would like to be kept up on al of it I started a new group http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/Got-Grey/  this way I don’t have to spam the groups all the time :)  I will have specials and sales coming up soon!

 

Feel free to forward this on…..when you join tell us how you heard about us and we will get you in!!

 

Thanks for everything!!!

 

 

 

 

 


#7611 From: "Sherry's Birds" <birds@...>
Date: Wed Jun 17, 2009 5:15 am
Subject: Re: some parrot training tips, er, HATS :)
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Yeah, me either, not with all of these predators around...
 
Blessed to be a blessing,
Sherry
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"Forgiveness is the fragrance the violet sheds on the heel that has crushed it." ~ Mark Twain
 
----- Original Message -----
From: "brdmom22" <brdmom22@...>
> some good reading there and I just love that set up that is some playgym I
> bet my guys would love not being caged but its not safe for me to try and
> sleep with them loose

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