This group is for anyone having the following in common:
1. They enjoy working with dogs and/or dog owners.
2. For whatever reason, they got caught up in the insanity of the "pp" (purely positive) movement and have since left or are attempting to leave that madness behind in favour of a more balanced approach.

Having gotten caught up in the sometimes cult-like atmosphere of the "positive dog training" movement can generate a lot of anxiety and uncertainty once it becomes evident that the philosophy is seriously flawed. One may feel very isolated when they begin to express the realization that because of the pp philosophy, dogs and owners are suffering and something is seriously wrong. The attempt to utilize a more balanced and sane approach to working with dogs can result in hostility from former "friends" and the more zealous in the pp movement.