A safe, comfortable, place for those who learn from animals, and those who teach them, to safely discuss techniques and experiences in their relationships with their best friends and SATZ. Our main focus is raising and educating our dogs with two way, inter species communication, respect and cooperation through SATZ but discussion about other animals is welcome. We will be happy to answer any questions you have as to the "differences" in methods other than the ones we teach provided the other methods being discussed are safe, respectful and humane to the animals and humans. But please keep in mind most members have come here because so many of these "other methods" have failed them or because they now understand that the that there is so much more to be realized in their relationships with their dogs that are not afforded or encouraged by these "other" ideas and methods. They are here to learn to problem solve and enhance their relationships with SATZ so please respect this.

We are NOT affiliated with the Satz Obedience in Washington State. They condone and train with SHOCK COLLARS! WE DO NOT!!

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