Hi Henry,
     I don't think you are overdoing it in the exercise department but
you are close for a 5 month puppy.  I think I'd scale back to one of
those walk a day for the next month or two and let him mature out a bit.
     As to the stiffness after the runs in the park.  He ran harder and
farther than he had before and the muscles told him about it by being a
bit stiff, just like us when we over do it.  A few more trips and he'll
have those muscles in shape and won't be stiff afterwards.  Since the
muscles are stressed in a different way when running as opposed to
walking or trotting this is completely normal.
     Have fun!

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>This question will demonstrate my limited knowledge of whippet needs
>-- I could use your advice. We have a wonderful 5 month old male
>whippet who naturally enjoys running free. We've read that one should
>limit whippet pups exercise but do not know how much is OK. We
>ordinarily take 2 walks a day (each less than a mile), and 3-4 times a
>day we run around out in the back yard or thru our house (we have a
>large house). He does well with this but you can tell he'd like more.
>To get some socialization, we take him to a park with an enclosed area
>where he and other small to mid-sized dogs can run and play. Both
>times we did this, the next day he acted very stiff and sore for more
>than half a day. This has us worried we are doing too much. What do
>you think? Thanks.
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   own inherent persuasiveness as embodying the nobler
   alternative. The recourse to force, however
   unavoidable, is a disclosure of the failure of civilization,
   either in the general society or in a remnant of
individuals. " --Alfred North Whitehead

"He is your friend, your partner, your defender, your dog.  You
are his life, his love, his leader.  He will be yours, faithful
and true, to the last beat of his heart.  You owe it to him to be
worthy of such devotion."
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I found this to be VERY interesting. If you have a bit of time, take a peek!
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Yesterday I had to go south of Indy to do some running. When I was, I
opted to take I-65 with full intent of scanning the area for the
missing whippet Emily. Nothing on the way down, which in a way was a
relief as I was praying to not see her body. On the way home, driving
in the far right lane, just north of where her home is I spied
SOMETHING far off in the weeds/woodish area ... something sitting,
angular head and bright in color (it was very sunny and impossible to
tell what color for sure). I hit the brakes and realized I had a semi
hot on my tail so I kept on. Rushed to a pay phone and called her
owner. I gave him the exact area and told him GO NOW!!! He went up,
walked walked talked to people in the area and walked more. He found
a stray, not Emmy ... was going to help the dog but doggy didn't seem
too pleased on that thought and grabbed his pant leg and lunged at
his face ... he left doggy but called the authorities.

Walking more he seen what we thought could have been what I seen,
lots of white trash bags and he was ready to give up when someone
told him they'd seen her over the weekend, gave him the area she was
seen in (very close to the same spot I thought I seen her) and he
started walking that area. It was cold and dark but he left some
reminders of home and some tidbits of food and went home.

Today he was back up there (he just called) and he SEEN HER!!!
Unfortunately she's scared and split but he is now trying to locate a
humane trap for her and upon my suggestion going to set his van up in
the area with a blanket from home, food trail to it and will sit and
wait. Hopefully he can locate the trap too.

I just wanted to let everyone know, that she's still hanging around
the general area but has obviously found a den area that she feels
safe and warm in. She's between a couple apartment complexes and
housing addition ... probably scavenging. Thank you to everyone who
has written, please keep her in your thoughts and prayers. Hoping
that I can post of her return home VERY soon!!!
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Hi everyone. I wanted to update on the coming WW Calendar. All files
left yesterday afternoon for the prepress house and film will be
checked on Monday morning. If all is AOK with the film it will hit
press Monday afternoon. In theory they should be to me, finished and
ready to ship, in two weeks.

There will be a limited number of calendars printed so if you are
wanting to purchase one, PLEASE do so very soon! There is order
information and the front cover and one spread on the magazine's
website, just go to this page:
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As always, after all sales are complete a donation will be made to a
canine organization (Morris Animal Foundation again this year).

Take care and if you are planning to order via snail mail versus
internet/paypal, please email me the number of calendars you wish so
I can hold them back for you.
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I'm trying to help a friend in Illinois who needs to find a home for
her 5-7 year old Whippet that she adopted from a high kill shelter.
I'm in CO, so I have very few IL contacts.

She has some seperation issues and has snapped at her toddler as a
warning, not out of aggression.  She's a sweet dog and if they can't
find someone to rescue her, she will have to be taken back to the
shelter and put down.

Any advice, links, help would be appreciated.

Jennifer

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To: ThewhippetOnline@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ThewhippetOnline] Whippet in Il. needs rescue

I'm trying to help a friend in Illinois who needs to find a home for
her 5-7 year old Whippet that she adopted from a high kill shelter. 
I'm in CO, so I have very few IL contacts.

She has some seperation issues and has snapped at her toddler as a
warning, not out of aggression.  She's a sweet dog and if they can't
find someone to rescue her, she will have to be taken back to the
shelter and put down.

Any advice, links, help would be appreciated.

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----- Original Message -----

From: my1stdane

To: ThewhippetOnline@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 8:19 AM

Subject: [ThewhippetOnline] Whippet in Il. needs rescue

I'm trying to help a friend in Illinois who needs to find a home for
her 5-7 year old Whippet that she adopted from a high kill shelter. 
I'm in CO, so I have very few IL contacts.

She has some seperation issues and has snapped at her toddler as a
warning, not out of aggression.  She's a sweet dog and if they can't
find someone to rescue her, she will have to be taken back to the
shelter and put down.

Any advice, links, help would be appreciated.

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Denise,

In case you didn't get my private message, Kathy Davenport is one of
the IL rescuers, her contact information is   kamadak9@...
815/756-6460. Please get in touch with her.
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My boyfriend would like to add another dog to the family, Oliver (our whippet
puppy) is "my"
dog, and the new dog would be "his" dog.  Obviously, we will both have to come
to an
agreement of the dog that would be the best fit for us and Oliver, although
Oliver is our primary
concern.

One of the breeds that we are considering, the Komondor, would be a little more
difficult to
locate as they are considered to be rare, so I'm not sure if anyone can offer
advice on whether
they would be compatible with a whippet or not.

We are also considering Siberian Huskies and Alaskan Malamutes, we have asked
around a
little, and from what we have heard so far, it seems like either one would get
along okay with
Oliver.

And here is my primary concern.  My boyfriend had a mixed puppy when he was
younger that
he loved to death, it was a mix of Chocolate Lab, Alaskan Husky, and Wolf.  He
would really
like to find another wolf mix puppy, most likely it would be a Malamute/Wolf mix
or a Siberian
Husky/Wolf mix.

He has located a local breeder for these wolf hybrid puppies, who asked him a
little about
whippets and of course, my boyfriend asked him questions as well (he is also
concerned about
the second dog being a good fit too).  From what we know (and have told this
breeder), Oliver
is very submissive and also very friendly and accepting of other dogs and
people.  (Even if
they growl or bark at him, he just wants everyone to love him).

From this hybrid breeder, a wolf mixed puppy should be supervised with another
dog until he
learns that this dog is part of his pack, then he will be very protective of it
and love it as much as
we do.  I'm not sure if this combination of whippet plus wolf mix would work in
a household?

We have not officially decided on any one particular dog or breed of dog yet for
the new family
member, which is why I would like to ask for some opinions and advice first.  I
have been trying
to read as much information on wolf mixes as much as possible, it seems that the
statistics vary
depending on whether one of its immediate parents was pure wolf or if the wolf
is a few
generations back.

Also, we are finally getting adapted to Oliver's silly whippet behavior and
loving it.  I'm not so
sure that I would want to deal with a more challenging animal as far as training
goes.  Again,
although this would be a decision that my boyfriend and I have to make together,
it will be more
his decision than mine.  (I was the one who decided a whippet would be the best
dog for me).

Oh, also, I wanted to thank everyone for their advice on dealing with Oliver's
distaste for getting
wet in the rain.  We bought him a cute little jacket and it has helped a lot. 
We got him used to
wearing it by bringing him outside without it, then going back in to put it on
him, then going back
outside.  He learned very quickly what it was for.  :)  We put on his jacket and
keep him on the
leash and go with him into the wet grass and even though he doesn't still
doesn't like the rain, he
tolerates it.  ;)

Katerina

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To: ThewhippetOnline@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 5:49 PM

Subject: [ThewhippetOnline] A good addition to the family?

My boyfriend would like to add another dog to the family, Oliver (our whippet puppy) is "my"
dog, and the new dog would be "his" dog.  Obviously, we will both have to come to an
agreement of the dog that would be the best fit for us and Oliver, although Oliver is our primary
concern.

One of the breeds that we are considering, the Komondor, would be a little more difficult to
locate as they are considered to be rare, so I'm not sure if anyone can offer advice on whether
they would be compatible with a whippet or not.

We are also considering Siberian Huskies and Alaskan Malamutes, we have asked around a
little, and from what we have heard so far, it seems like either one would get along okay with
Oliver.

And here is my primary concern.  My boyfriend had a mixed puppy when he was younger that
he loved to death, it was a mix of Chocolate Lab, Alaskan Husky, and Wolf.  He would really
like to find another wolf mix puppy, most likely it would be a Malamute/Wolf mix or a Siberian
Husky/Wolf mix. 

He has located a local breeder for these wolf hybrid puppies, who asked him a little about
whippets and of course, my boyfriend asked him questions as well (he is also concerned about
the second dog being a good fit too).  From what we know (and have told this breeder), Oliver
is very submissive and also very friendly and accepting of other dogs and people.  (Even if
they growl or bark at him, he just wants everyone to love him). 

>From this hybrid breeder, a wolf mixed puppy should be supervised with another dog until he
learns that this dog is part of his pack, then he will be very protective of it and love it as much as
we do.  I'm not sure if this combination of whippet plus wolf mix would work in a household?

We have not officially decided on any one particular dog or breed of dog yet for the new family
member, which is why I would like to ask for some opinions and advice first.  I have been trying
to read as much information on wolf mixes as much as possible, it seems that the statistics vary
depending on whether one of its immediate parents was pure wolf or if the wolf is a few
generations back. 

Also, we are finally getting adapted to Oliver's silly whippet behavior and loving it.  I'm not so
sure that I would want to deal with a more challenging animal as far as training goes.  Again,
although this would be a decision that my boyfriend and I have to make together, it will be more
his decision than mine.  (I was the one who decided a whippet would be the best dog for me).

Oh, also, I wanted to thank everyone for their advice on dealing with Oliver's distaste for getting
wet in the rain.  We bought him a cute little jacket and it has helped a lot.  We got him used to
wearing it by bringing him outside without it, then going back in to put it on him, then going back
outside.  He learned very quickly what it was for.  :)  We put on his jacket and keep him on the
leash and go with him into the wet grass and even though he doesn't still doesn't like the rain, he
tolerates it.  ;)

Katerina  



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----- Original Message -----

From: Mary and Melanie Medina

To: ThewhippetOnline@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 10:14 PM

Subject: [ThewhippetOnline] Fw: Help for injured whippet please

Permission to forward granted.

 

Melanie Medina

Mahtrows Greyhounds and Whippets

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From: Penny Bolt

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Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 9:59 PM

Subject: [GH-F] Help for injured whippet please

As you have heard me say we run a flyball team practice in my horse pasture.
This team has three whippets on it. In the past month one whippet severly broke his front leg at the dog park and this weekend another one was paralyzed in the rear by a collision with a large lab during a demonstration event.
The neurologist says it is partial spinal cord damage, but there is still a connection.  What they
anticipate is that in the not too distant future he will stand.  Longer term the hope is that, with work, he will walk.  Sounds like lucky if she can get him walking ever to me.

I am asking in all of sighthounddom if anyone else has gotten a whippet/sighthound thru this kind of injury. I am trying to push her to get a second opinion. They did do an MRI. His mom just happens to work with people with spinal injuries so is prepared for the long haul.

This is a young dog 1.5 yrs. and is home already. He has a gel pad to sleep on and is bright and alert. I am not clear what meds he is on as she said antibiotics only but she may have picked the wrong word.

Please forward to whippet lists ( I am not on any) so I can tap the entire collective sighthound mind on this. This is a special whippet to all of us down here - a really neat guy.

Thank you very much,
Penny Bolt
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I tend to agree with Carol. Even if the wolf mix is
very safe, Oliver may not perceive it like that and
may be made made to feel very uncomfortable.

Agnes, my whippet, tends be uncomfortable around
large, pushy dogs. They don't need to be agressive,
just dominant. Whippets are a very soft breed, often
easily intimidated, so I'd also be looking for a soft
breed to put with Oliver.

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We have a female collie (9yrs) and and a 3 year old male whippet and they get
along very well.  Roscoe, our whippet gets along well with other whippets and
my daughter's mixed breed (very large) coliie/sheherd mix -

I'm going to be the evil wench on this subject <grin>. Wolf mixed
with anything are not dogs OR wolves ... they do not mix well with
any other animal. I've seen many who people tried training like a dog
... to only be attacked later OR to never be able to house train.
Why? Because they aren't DOGS they are wolves. Wolves will defecate
wherever they want, disciplining one is also NOT the same. Anyone
with experience with them will tell you to NEVER use physical force
in ANY way or you will be creating a time bomb. The big problem with
these animals that are human made is they think partially like a dog,
so a part of them wants that affection but the wolf part of them is
still a wild animal. Personal opinion, those who breed them should be
slapped about profusely. There have been many people loose limbs,
lives, babies, and other animals due to these man made freaks. YES
they are beautiful and probably about the cutest "pup" in the world
... but they are not domesticated canines, and never will be. The
wild cannot be bred out of certain animals (all big cats are one of
them, ie the recent attack that's in the news). Some animals just
aren't meant for 'pet' status.

As to having this combination with a whippet, I'd not even remotely
suggest it. You're begging for a seriously injured whippet. Like
Carol said their thin skin is a big concern. Also the way whippets
play will not be smiled upon by the hybrid and could lead to fights.
When thinking of adding another dog, take into account the way the
other breed interacts with one another as well as with other breeds.
Whippets slap box, they throat and face grab ... a lot of other
breeds do not take kindly to that and it can cause problems.

I do wish you luck but be very leary of any wolf hybrid ... they
aren't domestic dogs.
--
Mary Magee, editor
the Whippet Watch magazine
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Group Judges.
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----- Original Message -----

From: the Whippet Watch magazine

To: ThewhippetOnline@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 6:41 PM

Subject: [ThewhippetOnline] Re: wolf hybrids

I'm going to be the evil wench on this subject <grin>. Wolf mixed
with anything are not dogs OR wolves ... they do not mix well with
any other animal. I've seen many who people tried training like a dog
... to only be attacked later OR to never be able to house train.
Why? Because they aren't DOGS they are wolves. Wolves will defecate
wherever they want, disciplining one is also NOT the same. Anyone
with experience with them will tell you to NEVER use physical force
in ANY way or you will be creating a time bomb. The big problem with
these animals that are human made is they think partially like a dog,
so a part of them wants that affection but the wolf part of them is
still a wild animal. Personal opinion, those who breed them should be
slapped about profusely. There have been many people loose limbs,
lives, babies, and other animals due to these man made freaks. YES
they are beautiful and probably about the cutest "pup" in the world
... but they are not domesticated canines, and never will be. The
wild cannot be bred out of certain animals (all big cats are one of
them, ie the recent attack that's in the news). Some animals just
aren't meant for 'pet' status.

As to having this combination with a whippet, I'd not even remotely
suggest it. You're begging for a seriously injured whippet. Like
Carol said their thin skin is a big concern. Also the way whippets
play will not be smiled upon by the hybrid and could lead to fights.
When thinking of adding another dog, take into account the way the
other breed interacts with one another as well as with other breeds.
Whippets slap box, they throat and face grab ... a lot of other
breeds do not take kindly to that and it can cause problems.

I do wish you luck but be very leary of any wolf hybrid ... they
aren't domestic dogs.
--
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the Whippet Watch magazine
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Group Judges.
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Thanks so much for all of the insight on wolf hybrids.
  You have confirmed all of the doubts that I was
having, I just needed someone else to agree with me on
it.  ;)

I had a bad feeling about the idea of us getting one,
not only because I would be concerned with Oliver's
safety but also my own safety.  Also, our house has a
long "racing" strip, the living room and dining room
connect perfectly with the hallway and kitchen - we
frequently run through this whole area with Oliver.
He loves it, whenever he runs, he folds back his ears
like he is in aerodynamic mode, so cute.  I wouldn't
want to worry about triggering the prey instinct in a
wolf hybrid just because I'm running to grab the
phone, or run down the "racing" strip with Oliver.

I told my boyfriend that as much as he misses the
chocolate lab, alaskan husky, wolf mix that he used to
have, this is not a good "dog" to replace it.  I agree
with you guys completely, I love wolves and wild
animals - just not in my home.

I think that for a second dog, we would really want a
dog from the working group or herding group, excluding
Dobermans and Rottweilers.

We would like a dog that is the same size as a
full-grown whippet or larger, preferrably who would be
a good watch dog (barking to let us know someone is
outside) or intimidating-looking to strangers,
anything past that would be too intense for us.  After
all, we don't want to worry about our safety or
Oliver's safety, this second dog should be a loving
companion for him too.

What do you think of these ideas?  (Once we narrow
down two or three breeds that would be a good match
with a whippet, we will narrow it down further by more
research).

- Siberian Husky
- Alaskan Malamute
- Komondor
- Puli
- Samoyed
- German Shepherd
- Sheepdog

Katerina



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what about a smooth collie (short haired)?

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From: Katerina Waltman

To: ThewhippetOnline@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 9:52 PM

Subject: [ThewhippetOnline] Re: A good addition to the family?

Thanks so much for all of the insight on wolf hybrids.
You have confirmed all of the doubts that I was
having, I just needed someone else to agree with me on
it.  ;) 

I had a bad feeling about the idea of us getting one,
not only because I would be concerned with Oliver's
safety but also my own safety.  Also, our house has a
long "racing" strip, the living room and dining room
connect perfectly with the hallway and kitchen - we
frequently run through this whole area with Oliver.
He loves it, whenever he runs, he folds back his ears
like he is in aerodynamic mode, so cute.  I wouldn't
want to worry about triggering the prey instinct in a
wolf hybrid just because I'm running to grab the
phone, or run down the "racing" strip with Oliver.

I told my boyfriend that as much as he misses the
chocolate lab, alaskan husky, wolf mix that he used to
have, this is not a good "dog" to replace it.  I agree
with you guys completely, I love wolves and wild
animals - just not in my home.

I think that for a second dog, we would really want a
dog from the working group or herding group, excluding
Dobermans and Rottweilers. 

We would like a dog that is the same size as a
full-grown whippet or larger, preferrably who would be
a good watch dog (barking to let us know someone is
outside) or intimidating-looking to strangers,
anything past that would be too intense for us.  After
all, we don't want to worry about our safety or
Oliver's safety, this second dog should be a loving
companion for him too.

What do you think of these ideas?  (Once we narrow
down two or three breeds that would be a good match
with a whippet, we will narrow it down further by more
research).

- Siberian Husky
- Alaskan Malamute
- Komondor
- Puli
- Samoyed
- German Shepherd
- Sheepdog

Katerina

 

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----- Original Message -----

From: Wendy Jones

To: ThewhippetOnline@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 3:43 PM

Subject: Re: [ThewhippetOnline] Re: wolf hybrids

I'm glad you said that Mary.  I've only ever heard bad stories about wolf hybrids.  Everything starts off hunky dory, then eventually something goes wrong.  I watched a documentary about a woman who rescues these - and she said it was the most terrible thing we've done to an animal to create these hybrids.  She takes care of them on a well-equipped farm and said she would never ever ever trust them around her children or other dogs.  And all of the ones she has had been raised from puppies in family environments.

 

I love wolves - I think they are one of the most beautiful creatures in the world, but if I was that desperate to own one I'd get a breed that was wolf-like in appearance without the unpredictability.  Having said that - all of those breeds (ie the Alaskan type breeds) NEED to work.  They are GREAT dogs, but they need a job - they don't have the couch potato attitude that whippets have.

 

Wendy

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From: the Whippet Watch magazine

To: ThewhippetOnline@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 6:41 PM

Subject: [ThewhippetOnline] Re: wolf hybrids

I'm going to be the evil wench on this subject <grin>. Wolf mixed
with anything are not dogs OR wolves ... they do not mix well with
any other animal. I've seen many who people tried training like a dog
... to only be attacked later OR to never be able to house train.
Why? Because they aren't DOGS they are wolves. Wolves will defecate
wherever they want, disciplining one is also NOT the same. Anyone
with experience with them will tell you to NEVER use physical force
in ANY way or you will be creating a time bomb. The big problem with
these animals that are human made is they think partially like a dog,
so a part of them wants that affection but the wolf part of them is
still a wild animal. Personal opinion, those who breed them should be
slapped about profusely. There have been many people loose limbs,
lives, babies, and other animals due to these man made freaks. YES
they are beautiful and probably about the cutest "pup" in the world
... but they are not domesticated canines, and never will be. The
wild cannot be bred out of certain animals (all big cats are one of
them, ie the recent attack that's in the news). Some animals just
aren't meant for 'pet' status.

As to having this combination with a whippet, I'd not even remotely
suggest it. You're begging for a seriously injured whippet. Like
Carol said their thin skin is a big concern. Also the way whippets
play will not be smiled upon by the hybrid and could lead to fights.
When thinking of adding another dog, take into account the way the
other breed interacts with one another as well as with other breeds.
Whippets slap box, they throat and face grab ... a lot of other
breeds do not take kindly to that and it can cause problems.

I do wish you luck but be very leary of any wolf hybrid ... they
aren't domestic dogs.
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----- Original Message -----

From: Katerina Waltman

To: ThewhippetOnline@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 4:52 PM

Subject: [ThewhippetOnline] Re: A good addition to the family?

Thanks so much for all of the insight on wolf hybrids.
You have confirmed all of the doubts that I was
having, I just needed someone else to agree with me on
it.  ;) 

I had a bad feeling about the idea of us getting one,
not only because I would be concerned with Oliver's
safety but also my own safety.  Also, our house has a
long "racing" strip, the living room and dining room
connect perfectly with the hallway and kitchen - we
frequently run through this whole area with Oliver.
He loves it, whenever he runs, he folds back his ears
like he is in aerodynamic mode, so cute.  I wouldn't
want to worry about triggering the prey instinct in a
wolf hybrid just because I'm running to grab the
phone, or run down the "racing" strip with Oliver.

I told my boyfriend that as much as he misses the
chocolate lab, alaskan husky, wolf mix that he used to
have, this is not a good "dog" to replace it.  I agree
with you guys completely, I love wolves and wild
animals - just not in my home.

I think that for a second dog, we would really want a
dog from the working group or herding group, excluding
Dobermans and Rottweilers. 

We would like a dog that is the same size as a
full-grown whippet or larger, preferrably who would be
a good watch dog (barking to let us know someone is
outside) or intimidating-looking to strangers,
anything past that would be too intense for us.  After
all, we don't want to worry about our safety or
Oliver's safety, this second dog should be a loving
companion for him too.

What do you think of these ideas?  (Once we narrow
down two or three breeds that would be a good match
with a whippet, we will narrow it down further by more
research).

- Siberian Husky
- Alaskan Malamute
- Komondor
- Puli
- Samoyed
- German Shepherd
- Sheepdog

Katerina

 

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Another "macho" breed your boyfriend could consider is the American
Staffordshire Terrier... but get one from an STCA member, a reputable
AmStaff breeder who does NOT breed for nor sell puppies to the
dog-fighting market.  We know from first-hand experience that Whippets
and AmStaffs can and do get along amicably (we now own a Whippet bitch
who used to "kick AmStaff butts" in play regularly -- and SHE always
won). ;-)

(Then again, personally, I agree with Carol -- the more Whippets, the
merrier! :)

--
Melody ("Mel") Joyce
REJOYCE WHIPPETS
www.rejoyce.us

Carol Wright wrote:
> I don't remember the name of the lady who brought this subject up.  But
> if you're reading these E-Mails, PLEASE PLEASE DO NOT take one of these
> dogs into your home.  If the boyfriend needs a macho dog, consider a
> Sporting Dog.  Not a Northern Breed or Aussie or Border Collie  that
> need work to keep them happy and well-adjusted.  What is wrong with
> another Whippet???  Whippets do so well with other Whippets.
>
> Carol

I saw mention in a post today of how whippets play, the implication
being that they play different from other dogs. I have a single male
whippet pup and no other dogs so I do not know how whippets play. I am
interested, however, because I see our whippet being somewhat gunshy
at the small-dog enclosure at the local dog park and I am concerned
that he might get injured by other dogs that, while not bigger
overall, are much bulkier and play rougher. Can anyone fill me in on
what whippets do when playing that is different? Thanks. I am trying
to become a knowledgeable whippet owner! --Henry

I don't know about all whippets but Roscoe, who is a big (42lb) whippet,
plays pretty rough.. he always seems confident that he can get out of situations
with his speed. He played really roughly with his brother when they were about
2 - but has mellowed considerably. He does not play too roughly with my
daughter's huge dog... I guess I would say that he is pretty smart about sizing
up
other dogs.

Whatever breed you end up getting, a female might be a good choice to
go along with your boy,if you're not getting another whippet.  There'd
be less chance of dog aggressiveness.  Chloe really likes the boy
corgi in her agility class.  I know of agility people that own
shelties and a whippet, and that seems to work fine.  A collie might
be something to think about, too.  My whippet puppy has played well
with a lab, but that particular lab was WAY too hyper for me to ever
imagine owning one.

I'd be nervous with the northern breeds, as they are strong, natural
hunters.  We had a very sweet white shepherd/Samoyed mix when I was
growing up.  She was always submissive to people, but did chomp our
basset mix male and cut him up a few times.  I have read before (don't
know if it's true) that german shepherds can have a tendancy to see
whippets as prey items, and may play too roughly with them.

It sounds like he wants a furry dog, so I guess a greyhound and most
other hounds would be out.  A komondor would be huge, the standard
says 80-100 lbs.  Keep in mind that a larger breed may be good with
your dog virtually all the time, but that one moment of irritation or
even an accidental collision while playing could mean the end of your
whippet.  I know a woman who about broke her own heart, when she had
her normally even-tempered bull mastiff down, after losing a second
dog to her (an IG and a brittany).

The AKC breed list is fun to look through, and it has video clips of
many breeds.
http://www.akc.org/breeds/recbreeds/breeds_a.cfm

Good luck finding your second dog!

I'll try to describe a typical play session in the ReJoyce whippet
"paddock":

Whippet #1 stands quietly at one end of paddock, head dipped towards the
ground, perhaps chewing a blade of grass.  Whippet #2 stands equally
quietly at the opposite end of paddock, attention also seemingly focused
in another direction.  Suddenly, both whippets raise their heads and
their eyes meet.  In what can only be described as spontaneous
explosion, both whippets burst into running at top speed towards the
same object / each other / who knows what.  Just before you are sure
they'll meet in a devastating head-on collision, one of them turns and
the other follows.  A somewhat circular race ensues, which can last
several moments, and which almost always includes growling, snapping at
each other, and occasionally involves bumping into and/or jumping onto
one another, causing the bumpee/jumpee to collapse into multiple
rollovers, from which bumpee/jumpee almost immediately recovers (to your
utter amazement) to continue the chase.  The two play participants will
signal tiredness by slowing down sufficiently to begin typical-dog-style
loud growling/face snapping/neck-and-or-shoulder biting scuffles (and
the fact that neither dog ever ends up covered in blood adds to your
ongoing amazement).  One last typical Whippet play innovation involves
the ballet pirouettes, which require running up to one's play partner,
bumping into him / her with one's front feet, then using that bump to
initiate an almost-gracefully enacted complete turn/spin done mostly on
one's hind legs.  Several pirouettes are usually executed in succession
before happy, satisfied play panting/"smiling" ensues...

Hope this helps! ;-)

--
Melody ("Mel") Joyce
REJOYCE WHIPPETS
www.rejoyce.us

Henry Wallace wrote:
> I saw mention in a post today of how whippets play, the implication
> being that they play different from other dogs. I have a single male
> whippet pup and no other dogs so I do not know how whippets play. I am
> interested, however, because I see our whippet being somewhat gunshy
> at the small-dog enclosure at the local dog park and I am concerned
> that he might get injured by other dogs that, while not bigger
> overall, are much bulkier and play rougher. Can anyone fill me in on
> what whippets do when playing that is different? Thanks. I am trying
> to become a knowledgeable whippet owner! --Henry

Hi,

We are new to the group so we thought we'd introduce ourselves.  We
are Laura (& Bob & Jen) Matthews - we live in the Chicago suburbs.
We used to be part of Whippet-L a while ago... but I think a Yahoo
group will be a little easier as we can read posts as we get a
chance :)

We are relatively new to whippets... we got our first whippet just
3+1/2 years ago.  They are just our couch potatoes... as we don't do
any organized whippet stuff with them -- but we just love them!

We have 3 whippet girls that live with us:

Pfyre's She's a Heartbreaker -- aka: HRH Cleopatra
Kamada's Goddess of Wisdom   -- aka: Athena
Pennyworth's Hell on Wheels  -- aka: Isis

After our first whippet (Cleopatra) came to live with us, I started
showing Bob posts about people who just got their second whippet...
and how they just didn't know how great it was to have more than one
whippet till you did it!  Well, he'd tell me that one whippet was
just fine.  Don't get me wrong... he LOVES Cleopatra...and she has
him wrapped around her little paw!  But he felt that one dog was
enough for our family.

Well, I guess he started thinking about it a LOT, because just 9
months after Cleo came to live with us... Bob "found" Athena thru
Kathy and Debbie!  Athena was just SO cute!  And then .... after
about 7 or 8 months again... we start playing around with the idea of
finding a third whippet... but we never really do anything about it.
Then Isis "falls" into our laps through Kathy and Debbie... we
couldn't have been more pleased!!

All three girls just get along great!  I now work from home, so they
really have run of the house during the day.. which means changing
the places where they take their naps!  Hmmm.... decisions,
decisions.... the waterbed, the couch, or in the crates in the office
where "mom" is?

When we leave the house, we DO put them in their crates.  They LOVE
to play, but sometimes can get quite rowdy.  We'd hate for anything
to get out of hand if we weren't around!

Well, my daughter Jen is just 15.  When she and I lived with my mom,
we had a German shepherd.  Jen visits her dad for 6 weeks every
summer and they have a doberman.  But what Jen wanted to know.... was
when she DOES move out... WHICH WHIPPET does she get to bring with
her??!!  I laughed and told her she'd have to get another one...
cause these girls aren't going anywhere!  Jen said that even though
we've only had whippets live with us for 3+1/2 years.... she just
can't IMAGINE not having a whippet about!

We're looking forward to being in this group!  People who don't have
whippets just sometimes don't understand LOL!

Thank you Mel and Jan(?) for your replies to my question on Whippet
play. It does not really sound that much different from what I see
between our whippet and the other dogs he plays with, except perhaps
that the whippets sound a bit more careful --- and they certainly use
their speed and agility more than other dogs can! I hope sometime to
be able to get him together with some other whippets and see how it
goes. It is a lot of fun seeing him so happy when he is with other
dogs. --Henry

It's a happy/sad day for me ... today is Gabe's (Rotaiva's Song from
Gabriel, CGC, CRX2, ThD, DSA) birthday. While it is very happy for he
and I, it's a bit hard on me as I always expected to have his sister
here too today. I'll focus on Gabe though to get me through it.

Gabe, like his sister Tara, has been a teacher. He's taught patience,
understanding, the need in just laying down in a sunbeam and letting
the rest of the world go, if even for a few moments. He's been my
youngest son's bed buddy most of his life, he's been VERY accepting
of my human flaws (even when I insist on doing obedience work LOL).
He's taught me that even if a dog isn't conformationally correct -
giving chase to prey or a lure (track or field) comes from the heart,
not the body ... but it comes at a price. He learned when he was very
young how to open a fridge, and to help himself to whatever was
inside!! He sings to me, talks with me and for all of this I am
forever in debt to this lovely creature God gifted me with.

Gabe's morning started with sleeping with me all night on the couch,
a huge hug at midnight, our yearly talk of me telling him how special
and important he is and constant cuddles. Morning brought a romp in
the yard followed by a boiled egg for breakfast and for desert ... a
basted milkbone. This of course was followed by more cuddling. He let
me know after a bit it was time for him to go do his daily sun bath
so I obediently opened the door for his highness ;). He enjoyed his
lunch snack of fresh raw veggies, and of course I was corrected when
I forgot desert (yes he is very vocal and DOES verbally correct my
silly human errors ... and no he's not spoiled <ggg>).

Currently he's taking a beauty nap, enjoying the cool afternoon. I
think in the past 10 years he's trained me very well, as his sister
Tara did too. I owe both of them more than I can ever repay ... but
I'll try my hardest!!!

Still my heart aches for his sister Tara (Rotaiva Snowbird, FCh, CR,
JC) to be with us, but today I will celebrate all that was good in
her life. She and her brother are both one in a million gifts.

Happy tenth Birthday, Gabe, I pray for many many more to share with
you. Happy tenth to you too Tar, you'll never be forgotten and will
always be missed ... thank you both for all you've given me. I pray I
am half as good an 'owner' as you both have/are 'pets'.

Blessed,
mary
--
Mary Magee, editor
the Whippet Watch magazine
-the ONLY Whippet publication mailed FREE to US resident AKC Hound
Group Judges.
1038 N Hathaway Dr, Indianapolis, IN 46229 * phone/fax: 317/898-1PUP (1787)
for information: whippetwatch@...
for article submissions: ww_articles@...
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