Yes Wayne,
I did read the site and it was because of the disclaimer that I put that
particular site up for your reading pleasure. As I have stated and I
thought I was clear, I am not pushing one way or the other, and I do respect
my Tippler elders, Mick and Nino included. My point is that there is still
room for epsom salts if used properly. And you and Neen may remember that I
did thank Nino for writing his article in one of my messages. This may be
considered by some to be off the subject, but the editor of a prominent
pigeon magazine is also a practicing attorney and wrote that most
disclaimers are only put on products today because of legal reasons.
Liability cases are won and lost on technicalities like disclaimers, not
because of the science. Researchers are bought and paid for by both sides,
but details such as disclaimers are what protect clients... His words not
mine, I'm not quoting, but basically his words. So there you have it again,
Wayne; conflicting facts, heh, heh, heh. Know-what-I-mean?
And as Stan has written there's still much to be learned from the
discussion. Here's something I learned from Stan: For years after the first
time I met Stan, he would send me Tippler articles, wonderful old Tippler
articles and in those articles there would be feed-ups and my favorite of
all, secret recipes for cakes of all variety. Well I always thought that I
would just ignore the recipes for the cakes, I didn't want to go through the
trouble of making the cake and feeding them to my pigeons. As we all know,
I wasn't doing very well with my pigeons without the cakes. So one day I
decided that I would make some cake. But to make a long story short, we all
learn a little differently, and at various levels. As I began making the
cakes I discovered a new and deeper love for my pigeons, as I took more
trouble to care for my pigeons, I learned more about them, and my
relationship with my Tipplers became closer and stronger. (Our times went
up too.) Thanks Stan. So it may be for different reasons that you may
think, but I feel a lot can be learned from what some call a lot of useless
information. The point I'm trying to make is that we should read both sides
and try things on our own. But I would never promote something that I
knowingly would harm my Tipplers. And testing the use of epsom salts as a
laxative at the proper amount and only as needed (a very few times with
plenty of time in-between) does not fall into that category. When something
is working, one shouldn't just throw it out the window as wrong and
dangerous for our birds when history shows that such use did not harm the
pigeons. There is a conflict there. I agree that it may be a fact that
using epsom salts as a laxative or not using epsom salts as a laxative at
the beginning of one's feed-up may be of no consequence to the winning of
fly records. I agree that the historic facts show that the use of epsom
salts as a laxative did not harm the Tipples in question enough to stop them
from living or breathing or breaking a record. And I agree that the over
use of epsom salts as a laxative may be harmful and even possibly do
irreversible damage to our Tipplers. I don't see a conflict with this.
I tell ya what, I'll let ya know how my pigeons fair on the stuff next
season... :-) And I'll even kill 'em and cut 'em open and see if it did
any internal damage to them, how's that, heh, heh, heh..? Just kidding.
:-) Think about it, research may do more harm than the epsom salts. :-)
Yours in the sport,
Dave


>From: "wayne frampton" <minihorse@...>
>Reply-To: TipplerTalk@yahoogroups.com
>To: TipplerTalk@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [TipplerTalk] Epsom Saltsdave f
>Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2005 10:01:52 -0500
>
>dave read thw dusclaer part that cowes up at that site what does that say i
>thikk that disclaimer attached tells the whole story
>
>