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#722 From: "fwstrain" <fwstrain@...>
Date: Sun May 9, 2010 5:40 pm
Subject: Deer leg
fwstrain
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Hello everyone,

Just to let you know I just uploaded a interesting photo of a deer leg imprint.
One of the photos is of the leg track in which you can clearly see the lower
portion of the back right leg and another track going the opposite direction
nearly superimposition on the toes of the leg track. There is also a wider shot
where you can see drag marks from the left hind track as well.
Fielder

#723 From: "woodinow" <marsturgeon@...>
Date: Mon May 10, 2010 1:45 pm
Subject: Elk Vs Mule/Blacktail poop
woodinow
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In our area of WA State we have an abundance of Whitetail so that is what I
know.  Recently, during a walk-about I discovered some scat that was totally
different and much larger.  About as large as the end of my thumb and the piles
were quite large (good eating).  Also, the scat was limited to the boundaries of
a huge Aspen grove.  I've not seen any of this type in the neighboring Ponderosa
Pine and Douglas Fir forest.
      My limited knowledge of Elk is they roam and they bugle during rut.  I've
not hear bugles in the five years I've been going to this area and have not seen
the scat elsewhere.  However, the scat seems awfully large and in quantity to
come from a little ole' Muledeer.
       Can you help me identify what I've got living in our forest?  WA State
DOES have Elk and Blacktail/Mule deer but we're not necessarily known for Elk in
our particular area.  But it would be possible.
        Sorry, no photos.
     Thanks,     marty

#724 From: "NewMexicoOutdoor" <Dan@...>
Date: Thu Jun 10, 2010 2:51 pm
Subject: A Bear Story This Year!
newmexicoout...
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#725 From: mrroy98
Date: Thu Sep 9, 2010 12:50 pm
Subject: Unknown Tracks
mrroy98
 
Hello everyone, I just added a new album with a bunch of unknown tracks that I
have found in my neck of the woods and was wondering if someone could help me
with identifying them. Thanks Matt

#726 From: "NewMexicoOutdoor" <Dan@...>
Date: Thu Oct 21, 2010 3:05 pm
Subject: Sandhill Cranes Now Flying Over!!
newmexicoout...
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On their yearly migration to Bosque del Apache, the very distant call of
the Sandhill Cranes can be heard over our mesa! If you haven't Been to
"The Festival of the Cranes" ..perhaps this year you'll be able to go:

http://newmexicooutdoor.com/Bosque_del_Apache.html
<http://newmexicooutdoor.com/Bosque_del_Apache.html>



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#727 From: "paulk5esw" <paul@...>
Date: Thu Dec 2, 2010 1:20 pm
Subject: Savannah River tracks - dog or wolf?
paulk5esw
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I posted 3 photos: Savannah River 1, 2, and 3 taken on a sandbar where we camped
on an Augusta to Savannah, GA canoe trip. The paddle blade is 8 inches wide. The
sandbar was at N 32 deg 46.7357 min; W 81 deg 24.8897 min.

There were also many deer tracks and at least two sizes of tracks that seem to
be from dogs or wolves. The largest track seems to rule out coyote.

Is there any way to tell if the tracks were dog or wolf?

PaulF

#728 From: "RavenDreamer" <RavenOfApollo@...>
Date: Thu Dec 2, 2010 2:52 pm
Subject: Re: Savannah River tracks - dog or wolf?
ravendreamer...
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All these tracks look like domestic dog to me. A big difference between domestic
dog and wild dog (fox, coyote, wolf) tracks comes from the muscle tone in their
feet. Domestic dogs tend to be 'ouch potatoes' so to speak with not much muscle
tone. As a result...their tracks are splayed wider. Where wild dogs, have good
muscle tone in their feet making their tracks narrower and tighter. The tracks
in the photo's, in my opinion, are too splayed to be those of a wild dog.

Bryan

--- In animaltracks@yahoogroups.com, "paulk5esw" <paul@...> wrote:
>
> I posted 3 photos: Savannah River 1, 2, and 3 taken on a sandbar where we
camped on an Augusta to Savannah, GA canoe trip. The paddle blade is 8 inches
wide. The sandbar was at N 32 deg 46.7357 min; W 81 deg 24.8897 min.
>
> There were also many deer tracks and at least two sizes of tracks that seem to
be from dogs or wolves. The largest track seems to rule out coyote.
>
> Is there any way to tell if the tracks were dog or wolf?
>
> PaulF
>

#729 From: "sniffitout" <sniffitout@...>
Date: Fri Dec 17, 2010 9:43 pm
Subject: nice tracking snow
sniffitout
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Had about a inch and a half of fluffy snow yesterday,here in south west pa.Temp
was in the high twentys this afternoon, so I figured it was tracking time. The
resident red fox was out and about,so I followed his tracks for an hour or so.
Along the way ,there were the rabbits,squirrels,deer & the neighbors kitty. The
resident racoon (rowanda)has not been out of her den for mybe five days now.
The fox has been eating the dog food I put out for her.
  No sign of any coyote or the bobcat that shows-up on occasion.

  Matt

#730 From: "Kim A. Cabrera" <tracker@...>
Date: Sat Dec 18, 2010 8:00 pm
Subject: Re: [Animal Tracks] nice tracking snow
__tracker__
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Hi Matt,

I'm jealous! You got snow! I wish I had some here. Maybe if it gets cold
enough. Sounds like a lot of fun. I could spend the entire day out there if
there were tons of trails like that. :)

Have fun!
Kim



----- Original Message -----
From: "sniffitout" <sniffitout@...>
To: <animaltracks@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, December 17, 2010 1:43 PM
Subject: [Animal Tracks] nice tracking snow


> Had about a inch and a half of fluffy snow yesterday,here in south west
> pa.Temp was in the high twentys this afternoon, so I figured it was
> tracking time. The resident red fox was out and about,so I followed his
> tracks for an hour or so. Along the way ,there were the
> rabbits,squirrels,deer & the neighbors kitty. The resident racoon
> (rowanda)has not been out of her den for mybe five days now.
> The fox has been eating the dog food I put out for her.
> No sign of any coyote or the bobcat that shows-up on occasion.
>
> Matt
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

#731 From: "az.irish" <surfwolf@...>
Date: Thu Jan 27, 2011 5:22 am
Subject: Tracks from northern NM
az.irish
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Hi. I am a new resident of northern NM, about 7500 ft up near Ramah and El
Morro. Here are 2 pics that I'm hoping someone can help me identify:
The 1st one was taken Oct 2010 & the 2nd one January 22, 2011.
http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm30/surfwolf/Tracks/photo-4.jpg
http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm30/surfwolf/Tracks/IMG_7566.jpg

All track/scat pics so far@
http://s292.photobucket.com/albums/mm30/surfwolf/Tracks/

#732 From: "Kim A. Cabrera" <tracker@...>
Date: Fri Jan 28, 2011 4:18 am
Subject: Re: [Animal Tracks] Tracks from northern NM
__tracker__
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Hello,

What is the black dot in the second photo? The one in snow. Is that a camera
lens? I am trying to figure out the track's size.

Kim

----- Original Message -----
From: "az.irish" <surfwolf@...>
To: <animaltracks@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 9:22 PM
Subject: [Animal Tracks] Tracks from northern NM


> Hi. I am a new resident of northern NM, about 7500 ft up near Ramah and El
> Morro. Here are 2 pics that I'm hoping someone can help me identify:
> The 1st one was taken Oct 2010 & the 2nd one January 22, 2011.
> http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm30/surfwolf/Tracks/photo-4.jpg
> http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm30/surfwolf/Tracks/IMG_7566.jpg
>
> All track/scat pics so far@
> http://s292.photobucket.com/albums/mm30/surfwolf/Tracks/
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

#733 From: "az.irish" <surfwolf@...>
Date: Fri Jan 28, 2011 4:28 am
Subject: Re: [Animal Tracks] Tracks from northern NM
az.irish
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Hi Kim! Thank you for the reply. It is a quarter that I placed next to the
track.



--- In animaltracks@yahoogroups.com, "Kim A. Cabrera" <tracker@...> wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> What is the black dot in the second photo? The one in snow. Is that a camera
> lens? I am trying to figure out the track's size.
>
> Kim
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "az.irish" <surfwolf@...>
> To: <animaltracks@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 9:22 PM
> Subject: [Animal Tracks] Tracks from northern NM
>
>
> > Hi. I am a new resident of northern NM, about 7500 ft up near Ramah and El
> > Morro. Here are 2 pics that I'm hoping someone can help me identify:
> > The 1st one was taken Oct 2010 & the 2nd one January 22, 2011.
> > http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm30/surfwolf/Tracks/photo-4.jpg
> > http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm30/surfwolf/Tracks/IMG_7566.jpg
> >
> > All track/scat pics so far@
> > http://s292.photobucket.com/albums/mm30/surfwolf/Tracks/
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

#734 From: Wind's Path <etchuba_@...>
Date: Fri Jan 28, 2011 5:36 am
Subject: RE: [Animal Tracks] Tracks from northern NM
winds_path
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hmm, im not going to be much help, i really need to see a track pattern for
those pics, the one in sand
looked like a cat family, and the one in snow looked like a dog family track, 
im gonna need to research new mexicos
animals and get back to ya. do you have any picks with a pattern, and can you
describe the size of the tracks, about how many inches wide/long? thanks a lot.

"accept all things."



To: animaltracks@yahoogroups.com
From: tracker@...
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 20:18:14 -0800
Subject: Re: [Animal Tracks] Tracks from northern NM




























       Hello,



What is the black dot in the second photo? The one in snow. Is that a camera

lens? I am trying to figure out the track's size.



Kim



----- Original Message -----

From: "az.irish" <surfwolf@...>

To: <animaltracks@yahoogroups.com>

Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 9:22 PM

Subject: [Animal Tracks] Tracks from northern NM



> Hi. I am a new resident of northern NM, about 7500 ft up near Ramah and El

> Morro. Here are 2 pics that I'm hoping someone can help me identify:

> The 1st one was taken Oct 2010 & the 2nd one January 22, 2011.

> http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm30/surfwolf/Tracks/photo-4.jpg

> http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm30/surfwolf/Tracks/IMG_7566.jpg

>

> All track/scat pics so far@

> http://s292.photobucket.com/albums/mm30/surfwolf/Tracks/

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

> Yahoo! Groups Links

>

>

>

>


















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#735 From: Wind's Path <etchuba_@...>
Date: Fri Jan 28, 2011 5:38 am
Subject: RE: [Animal Tracks] Tracks from northern NM
winds_path
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oh the black dot is a quater sorry didn't see that, ignore my size question..

"accept all things."



To: animaltracks@yahoogroups.com
From: surfwolf@...
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 04:28:31 +0000
Subject: Re: [Animal Tracks] Tracks from northern NM




























       Hi Kim! Thank you for the reply. It is a quarter that I placed next to the
track.



--- In animaltracks@yahoogroups.com, "Kim A. Cabrera" <tracker@...> wrote:

>

> Hello,

>

> What is the black dot in the second photo? The one in snow. Is that a camera

> lens? I am trying to figure out the track's size.

>

> Kim

>

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: "az.irish" <surfwolf@...>

> To: <animaltracks@yahoogroups.com>

> Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 9:22 PM

> Subject: [Animal Tracks] Tracks from northern NM

>

>

> > Hi. I am a new resident of northern NM, about 7500 ft up near Ramah and El

> > Morro. Here are 2 pics that I'm hoping someone can help me identify:

> > The 1st one was taken Oct 2010 & the 2nd one January 22, 2011.

> > http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm30/surfwolf/Tracks/photo-4.jpg

> > http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm30/surfwolf/Tracks/IMG_7566.jpg

> >

> > All track/scat pics so far@

> > http://s292.photobucket.com/albums/mm30/surfwolf/Tracks/

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

> > Yahoo! Groups Links

> >

> >

> >

> >

>


















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#736 From: "NewMexicoOutdoor" <Dan@...>
Date: Sat Mar 26, 2011 2:10 pm
Subject: Blood Thinned..But Back!!!
newmexicoout...
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I've spent most of the last Winter in Florida! My blood has thinned and
I'm sea level acclimated and need to get back to the high elevation in
the coming season with:


     * Backpacking the Continental Divide Trail
<http://newmexicooutdoor.com/Hiking_Backpacking_Camping.php>
     * Mountain Biking <http://newmexicooutdoor.com/Mountain_Biking.html>
(which I'm headed out to do after this post!)
     * Some Canoeing and Kayaking
<http://newmexicooutdoor.com/Canoeing_Kayaking.php>   during the
snow-melt
     * Studying Wildlife Tracks
<http://newmexicooutdoor.com/Flora___Fauna.html>

Join me..by tagging along, just come out and have a stay here in Georgia
O'Keeffe Country <http://newmexicooutdoor.com/>  !

We're still looking for artists for our 2011-12 Featured Artists
<http://newmexicooutdoor.com/Artsy_Stuff.php>   section!

Dan


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#737 From: "damocles_sword" <mikeranson@...>
Date: Sat Apr 9, 2011 10:36 pm
Subject: Should I intervene?
damocles_sword
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Hi.  As someone with an interest in tracking but not much opportunity to indulge
in it in my concrete jungle, I've been an interested lurker for some time, but
now feel the need to ask advice... only it isn't about tracking.  It's about
whether to intervene in what, to many of you, will probably seem an
inconsequential situation.  But nevertheless, I would appreciate your informed
opinion.

I live in Cheshire in the north west of England and walk my dogs on what was
formerly the Burtonwood airbase (perhaps some of you have heard of it - enormous
US airbase that was the military gateway to Europe for many years during the
Cold War).

A local farmer currently uses the site for silage and has various access points
controlled by gates.  One of these gates is a large metal affair with a sliding
bolt recessed into the frame.  The handle slides up and down a groove which
permits access to the interior of the frame.  A Coal tit (Peripas ater) has
begun to nest inside this void.  I observed it carrying nesting material inside.

What's the problem?  Well, the nest is far enough inside as to not be visible
but even so, when that bolt is drawn back it cannot fail to crush any birds
within, including the sitting female, or smash any eggs.

What I propose is waiting for the parents to leave then stuffing a handy plastic
bag down the recess in such a way that it won't block the bolt, but also deny
the birds any further access, curtailing their nest building in that location
before the season is much more advanced.  They still have time to relocate. 
There are plenty of mature wooded areas around.

I have no idea when the gate might next be used.  Might not be until after
they've hatched.  Might be tomorrow.

What would you do?

Cheers,
Mike

#738 From: "Mugaba Safaris" <patdb@...>
Date: Sun Apr 10, 2011 10:24 am
Subject: Re: Should I intervene?
jockolosh
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Hi Mike



My suggestion would be tie the bolt down with maybe a cable tie and put up a
sign that says the gate should not be bolted down. Maybe take this up with
the authority of the gate.



If not a solution, maybe your proposal to prevent the birds making a nest in
the hole altogether is the preferred option.



Please let me know what happens.



I once had to make a similar decision whether I should intervene with
nature's course or not. We once had a Cape buffalo calve born from our herd
in the Lydenburg area of South Africa. The calve had a muscle dystrophy
problem, so eventually the herd figured this out and started to abandon the
calve due to the risk this calves imposes on the herd. The big bulls of the
herd became quite vicious with the calve, and that is where I had to make
the call of coming to the calves rescue or let nature be. Tough decision,
but I decided to let nature be, as hand-rearing the calve does extend the
calves lifespan, but chances of relocating the buffalo in the wild in future
will be slim, IF SHE DID INDEED SURVIVE. Well, I decided to let nature be,
and to say the least, the bulls ended the calve's agony.



On a side note, and I extend this thought to the greater group now.



You may of you would be interested in attending a Tracking workshop in South
Africa? Being a Professional Hunter, I am exposed to daily tracking
interactions, something which you guys of the groups does not always have
the privilege to experience. My idea is to set something like this up if
there is enough interest. I would get well known expert trackers to present
talks during the workshop and we can have interactive tracking sessions
where experience is gained and knowledge is shared. This all can be hosted
in Big 6 country, bordering the Kruger National Park. The workshop can maybe
include a day to Kruger as an add-on.



I think there is great opportunity in something like this. Tell me what you
think.



Regards,



Patrick J. de Beer (MBA)

Outfitter and Professional Hunter

Mugaba Safaris South Africa

Phone: +2716 341 7331

Mobile: +2783 251 4171

Facsimile: +2716 341 3554

Website: www.mugabasafaris.com







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#739 From: bobmatthews@...
Date: Sun Apr 10, 2011 4:07 pm
Subject: Re: [Animal Tracks] Should I intervene?
trackeraz45
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I would suggest contact the local RSPB they will I am sure know what to
do.


-----Original Message-----
From: damocles_sword <mikeranson@...>
To: animaltracks@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, Apr 9, 2011 3:36 pm
Subject: [Animal Tracks] Should I intervene?





Hi.  As someone with an interest in tracking but not much opportunity
to indulge in it in my concrete jungle, I've been an interested lurker
for some time, but now feel the need to ask advice... only it isn't
about tracking.  It's about whether to intervene in what, to many of
you, will probably seem an inconsequential situation.  But
nevertheless, I would appreciate your informed opinion.

I live in Cheshire in the north west of England and walk my dogs on
what was formerly the Burtonwood airbase (perhaps some of you have
heard of it - enormous US airbase that was the military gateway to
Europe for many years during the Cold War).

A local farmer currently uses the site for silage and has various
access points controlled by gates.  One of these gates is a large metal
affair with a sliding bolt recessed into the frame.  The handle slides
up and down a groove which permits access to the interior of the frame.
   A Coal tit (Peripas ater) has begun to nest inside this void.  I
observed it carrying nesting material inside.

What's the problem?  Well, the nest is far enough inside as to not be
visible but even so, when that bolt is drawn back it cannot fail to
crush any birds within, including the sitting female, or smash any
eggs.

What I propose is waiting for the parents to leave then stuffing a
handy plastic bag down the recess in such a way that it won't block the
bolt, but also deny the birds any further access, curtailing their nest
building in that location before the season is much more advanced.
They still have time to relocate.  There are plenty of mature wooded
areas around.

I have no idea when the gate might next be used.  Might not be until
after they've hatched.  Might be tomorrow.

What would you do?

Cheers,
Mike

#740 From: "Kim A. Cabrera" <tracker@...>
Date: Tue Apr 12, 2011 4:07 am
Subject: Re: [Animal Tracks] Should I intervene?
__tracker__
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Hello Mike,

I think your idea of blocking access so the birds will build the nest
elsewhere is the best option. If eggs have already been laid in the nest,
then I'd try to contact the farmer and work out something so that the gate
won't be used until the nestlings have fledged. If the farmer has other
access gates, then it shouldn't be a problem to put off using this
particular gate for a couple weeks to allow the birds to grow up and leave
the nest.

Kim


----- Original Message -----
From: "damocles_sword" <mikeranson@...>
To: <animaltracks@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2011 3:36 PM
Subject: [Animal Tracks] Should I intervene?


> Hi.  As someone with an interest in tracking but not much opportunity to
> indulge in it in my concrete jungle, I've been an interested lurker for
> some time, but now feel the need to ask advice... only it isn't about
> tracking.  It's about whether to intervene in what, to many of you, will
> probably seem an inconsequential situation.  But nevertheless, I would
> appreciate your informed opinion.
>
> I live in Cheshire in the north west of England and walk my dogs on what
> was formerly the Burtonwood airbase (perhaps some of you have heard of
> it - enormous US airbase that was the military gateway to Europe for many
> years during the Cold War).
>
> A local farmer currently uses the site for silage and has various access
> points controlled by gates.  One of these gates is a large metal affair
> with a sliding bolt recessed into the frame.  The handle slides up and
> down a groove which permits access to the interior of the frame.  A Coal
> tit (Peripas ater) has begun to nest inside this void.  I observed it
> carrying nesting material inside.
>
> What's the problem?  Well, the nest is far enough inside as to not be
> visible but even so, when that bolt is drawn back it cannot fail to crush
> any birds within, including the sitting female, or smash any eggs.
>
> What I propose is waiting for the parents to leave then stuffing a handy
> plastic bag down the recess in such a way that it won't block the bolt,
> but also deny the birds any further access, curtailing their nest building
> in that location before the season is much more advanced.  They still have
> time to relocate.  There are plenty of mature wooded areas around.
>
> I have no idea when the gate might next be used.  Might not be until after
> they've hatched.  Might be tomorrow.
>
> What would you do?
>
> Cheers,
> Mike
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

#741 From: "pjhav" <pjhav@...>
Date: Sun May 15, 2011 6:56 pm
Subject: Introduction and questions about mouse and vole tracks
pjhav
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Hello!

I am a new member to the group, so I wanted to introduce myself.  I am a PhD
student at UC Davis with an interest in wildlife distributions and have projects
in Argentina, China, and California, looking at various different things.  I
happened to look up if there were any groups on tracking, and was happy to come
across this site.

For our project in California, we are using track plates to look at small to
medium size mammal use in a corridor between Auburn and Truckee, CA, and we have
a lot of small rodent tracks.  Some people have helped identify some of the
tracks, so we know we have both mouse and vole in the area, but when my
assistants and I are trying to ID, we are having difficulty telling the
difference between the two, and I was hoping that some people out there may have
some advice.  I can send some images, but I think that descriptions on what to
look at to tell the difference would be a better place to start.  Then, after
the descriptions, we can try to make some IDs and then maybe send photos for
verification that we have the ideas down?

Thank you for any advice!

Paul Haverkamp

#742 From: Jonathan Goff <olpabas@...>
Date: Sun May 15, 2011 10:16 pm
Subject: RE: [Animal Tracks] Introduction and questions about mouse and vole tracks
olpabas
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Vole tracks generally have toes that are longer, more thin and fingerlike -
often (but not always) showing the whole toe.  Deer mice generally have a more
bulbous toe pad, often you don't see the full toe, just the heel pads and the
ends of the toe but if you do see the whole toe the end will usually be larger
than the rest of the toe relative to how it appears in vole tracks.  In my neck
of the woods vole tracks are usually a bit larger than mouse tracks, though that
would presumably depend to some extent on which species of mouse and vole are
common in your area.
My experience of their tracks is seeing them in the mud, sand, etc. so I am not
sure how fully that transfers to their tracks on track plates.  For example, I
wouldn't be surprised if the full length of the toe doesn't show up quite as
much for voles on the plates as it does in the soil.  It can take some practice
to learn to see (and be confident in) the difference.  Even then you may find
some tracks that are difficult to place firmly in one side or the other though
for the most part it is not difficult to identify a decent set of tracks once
you develop the skill.
Sign is another useful thing to use to distinguish species, though might not be
useful depending on how your study is setup.  Vole sign is fairly distinctive. 
My experience with voles is with species that like to live mostly in grassy
areas.  In such places it is common to find runs created by them amidst the
grass, generally there will be clipped grass here and there throughout the runs
as well as piles of (or dispersed) scat.  Their scat is generally fairly uniform
and tubular, composed of vegetative material.  I haven't found piles of mouse
scat like that in the wild, though I have found it plentifully scattered in some
places.  Mouse scat is a similar shape to vole scat, but less uniform in shape
and consistency, presumably due to its varied diet.
There are a few tracking field guides available that should be useful resources.
One of my favorite's is Mark Elbroch's Mammals Tracks & Sign, David Moskowitz's
book Wildlife of the Pacific Northwest is another great one which while
technically not covering California, has a lot of species overlap.
Jonathan

To: animaltracks@yahoogroups.com
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Date: Sun, 15 May 2011 18:56:30 +0000
Subject: [Animal Tracks] Introduction and questions about mouse and vole tracks




























       Hello!



I am a new member to the group, so I wanted to introduce myself.  I am a PhD
student at UC Davis with an interest in wildlife distributions and have projects
in Argentina, China, and California, looking at various different things.  I
happened to look up if there were any groups on tracking, and was happy to come
across this site.



For our project in California, we are using track plates to look at small to
medium size mammal use in a corridor between Auburn and Truckee, CA, and we have
a lot of small rodent tracks.  Some people have helped identify some of the
tracks, so we know we have both mouse and vole in the area, but when my
assistants and I are trying to ID, we are having difficulty telling the
difference between the two, and I was hoping that some people out there may have
some advice.  I can send some images, but I think that descriptions on what to
look at to tell the difference would be a better place to start.  Then, after
the descriptions, we can try to make some IDs and then maybe send photos for
verification that we have the ideas down?



Thank you for any advice!



Paul Haverkamp


















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#743 From: "Sophia" <bachmanna@...>
Date: Mon May 16, 2011 12:33 pm
Subject: Wild Goat (Capra aegagrus) vs. domestic goat/sheep species
speacework
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We are initiating a wild goat survey in northern Iraq and I thought I would just
check the prevailing wisdom on how to differentiate between wild goat and
domestic species.  My staff will be using a combination of direct observations,
camera trapping and track identification and to a certain extent, atleast in one
of the survey areas, will be able to check out tracks from the wild goats very
easily.  I still thought it would be useful to hear with the members of animal
tracks might have to say on the subject.

#744 From: "pjhav" <pjhav@...>
Date: Mon May 16, 2011 4:44 pm
Subject: Re: Introduction and questions about mouse and vole tracks
pjhav
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Thank you for the advice Jonathan!  We will definitely look at this and try some
IDs.

paul

--- In animaltracks@yahoogroups.com, Jonathan Goff <olpabas@...> wrote:
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> Vole tracks generally have toes that are longer, more thin and fingerlike -
often (but not always) showing the whole toe.  Deer mice generally have a more
bulbous toe pad, often you don't see the full toe, just the heel pads and the
ends of the toe but if you do see the whole toe the end will usually be larger
than the rest of the toe relative to how it appears in vole tracks.  In my neck
of the woods vole tracks are usually a bit larger than mouse tracks, though that
would presumably depend to some extent on which species of mouse and vole are
common in your area.
> My experience of their tracks is seeing them in the mud, sand, etc. so I am
not sure how fully that transfers to their tracks on track plates.  For example,
I wouldn't be surprised if the full length of the toe doesn't show up quite as
much for voles on the plates as it does in the soil.  It can take some practice
to learn to see (and be confident in) the difference.  Even then you may find
some tracks that are difficult to place firmly in one side or the other though
for the most part it is not difficult to identify a decent set of tracks once
you develop the skill.
> Sign is another useful thing to use to distinguish species, though might not
be useful depending on how your study is setup.  Vole sign is fairly
distinctive.  My experience with voles is with species that like to live mostly
in grassy areas.  In such places it is common to find runs created by them
amidst the grass, generally there will be clipped grass here and there
throughout the runs as well as piles of (or dispersed) scat.  Their scat is
generally fairly uniform and tubular, composed of vegetative material.  I
haven't found piles of mouse scat like that in the wild, though I have found it
plentifully scattered in some places.  Mouse scat is a similar shape to vole
scat, but less uniform in shape and consistency, presumably due to its varied
diet.
> There are a few tracking field guides available that should be useful
resources.  One of my favorite's is Mark Elbroch's Mammals Tracks & Sign, David
Moskowitz's book Wildlife of the Pacific Northwest is another great one which
while technically not covering California, has a lot of species overlap.
> Jonathan
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happened to look up if there were any groups on tracking, and was happy to come
across this site.
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medium size mammal use in a corridor between Auburn and Truckee, CA, and we have
a lot of small rodent tracks.  Some people have helped identify some of the
tracks, so we know we have both mouse and vole in the area, but when my
assistants and I are trying to ID, we are having difficulty telling the
difference between the two, and I was hoping that some people out there may have
some advice.  I can send some images, but I think that descriptions on what to
look at to tell the difference would be a better place to start.  Then, after
the descriptions, we can try to make some IDs and then maybe send photos for
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#745 From: "Kim A. Cabrera" <tracker@...>
Date: Mon Jul 18, 2011 10:57 pm
Subject: {Spam?} Tracking 2011 conference is coming soon!
__tracker__
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Calling all trackers! Registrations are now being accepted for the 2011
International Society of Professional Trackers conference in Stevenson,
Washington.

Use this link for registration and more information:

Registration:
http://ispt2011.eventbrite.com

More info:

www.ispt.org

and click on the Tracking 2011 tab.

I hope to see you all there!

Kim

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#746 From: "NewMexicoOutdoor" <Dan@...>
Date: Sun Oct 23, 2011 1:49 pm
Subject: Sandhill Crane Migration-Bosque del Apache
newmexicoout...
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Every year, and after the Hummingbirds leave ..our heads tilt up looking
way..way up in the blue sky!

It's the Sandhill Cranes we're looking for, flying South and amazing
altitudes! Indeed..it's always their sound I hear first ..the call
sounds a bit like a family of quail on the ground..but this call
    emanatesfrom way..way up! Today..I saw my first flock of the season!

They're on the way to Bosque del Apache National Preserve for the
Winter:

http://newmexicooutdoor.com/Bosque_del_Apache.html
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#747 From: "Kim A. Cabrera" <tracker@...>
Date: Mon Oct 24, 2011 6:50 pm
Subject: {Spam?} Re: [Animal Tracks] Sandhill Crane Migration-Bosque del Apache
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> Cool! I saw half a dozen flocks of Canada geese fly over my place this
> weekend. I am on the Pacific flyway, and this is the time of year to see
> them. They are barely specks in the sky, they are so far up. But their
> calls are clear! I love watching them fly over!
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> Kim
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> Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2011 6:49 AM
> Subject: [Animal Tracks] Sandhill Crane Migration-Bosque del Apache
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>> Every year, and after the Hummingbirds leave ..our heads tilt up looking
>> way..way up in the blue sky!
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>> It's the Sandhill Cranes we're looking for, flying South and amazing
>> altitudes! Indeed..it's always their sound I hear first ..the call
>> sounds a bit like a family of quail on the ground..but this call
>>   emanatesfrom way..way up! Today..I saw my first flock of the season!
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>> Winter:
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#748 From: Ziver Tuna <zivertuna@...>
Date: Fri Dec 2, 2011 9:50 am
Subject: Hello / Track?
zivertuna
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Hi everybody,

Can anybody tell me which animal's track this is? Thanks for your help.

Ziver



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#749 From: "Kim A. Cabrera" <tracker777@...>
Date: Fri Dec 2, 2011 9:00 pm
Subject: Re: [Animal Tracks] Hello / Track?
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> Did you post a photo of it in the albums section of the group?
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> Thanks,
> Kim
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> From: "Ziver Tuna" <zivertuna@...>
> To: <animaltracks@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 1:50 AM
> Subject: [Animal Tracks] Hello / Track?
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#750 From: Ziver Tuna <zivertuna@...>
Date: Sat Dec 3, 2011 7:23 am
Subject: RE: [Animal Tracks] Hello / Track?
zivertuna
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Hi Kim,

I reload it again.
ziver




To: animaltracks@yahoogroups.com
From: tracker777@...
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 13:00:07 -0800
Subject: Re: [Animal Tracks] Hello / Track?






> Did you post a photo of it in the albums section of the group?
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> Thanks,
> Kim
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ziver Tuna" <zivertuna@...>
> To: <animaltracks@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 1:50 AM
> Subject: [Animal Tracks] Hello / Track?
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#751 From: "fwstrain" <fwstrain@...>
Date: Mon Jan 9, 2012 6:52 pm
Subject: Ray Mears tracking show
fwstrain
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Ray Mears a British survival expert has a show called "Survival with Ray Mears"
in which he tracks large predators all over the world. I've only seen/found
three episodes on youtube where he tracks wolves, bears and leopards. Here is a
link to the first of the video of each

Leopards:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=799H-EJJqo4

wolves:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fD7uVghHFcc&feature=related

bears:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnOMQ_dPZiQ

Enjoy,
Fielder

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