AS a child!  :-[
Adie

>
>
> Ah. I was worried that the bluestone might have sharp edges that would
> dig into frogs...
> Some people put some sort of geotextile fabric down over a dug out
> area, then put the stones on top. This seems to stop the worst of the
> disappearances! I can't be that proactive, we rent. The river stones are
> great, they have no problems walking on them, and even I can with my
> soft human feet!
> Reminds me of swimming in rivers of a child...
> Adie
>

Ah. I was worried that the bluestone might have sharp edges that would
dig into frogs...
   Some people put some sort of geotextile fabric down over a dug out
area, then put the stones on top. This seems to stop the worst of the
disappearances! I can't be that proactive, we rent. The river stones are
great, they have no problems walking on them, and even I can with my
soft human feet!
Reminds me of swimming in rivers of a child...
Adie


>
>
> I used 1/4 inch bluestone. Needs to be at least 6 inches deep so that
> it moves when they step on it. My mare that had really sore feet used
> to enjoy walking on it, my other horses not so much - they walked
> around it a lot of the time. The small bluestone disappeared into a
> hard granetic sand base after about 2 years. I still have a couple of
> sections of much larger bluestone that have not disappeared.
>
>
> If your horses have issues with their feet I would give them a choice
> about whether or not they walk on anything different you lay down for
> them. What I did was lay the stones where they had already carved out
> a track of their own, if they did not want to walk on it they had to
> walk a little bit further.
>
> Leanne
>
>
>
>

Hi all,
those of you who remember my dear departed Bruno may be interested to
know that he also had insulin resistance at certain times of the year,
as well as narcolepsy and other issues. What prompted me to remember
this was Jenny's comment about the ENERGY with which we observe.

pearce.jenny wrote:
>
> Cynthia Cooper, of this group, and naturalhorseworld.com was part of a
> trial where they had movement collars on her horses - some of which
> were on a track and some weren't. The results on her place were no
> different in movement between the two lots of horses. Cynthia will
> know the details better than my memory of her telling me over a year ago!
>
> But she still thought it was a great thing.
>
> I'll email her in case she's really busy and doesn't notice this topic.
>
> Here's a P.S. Einstein was one of the scientists involved in early
> Quantum physics, where they pointed out that the very act of
> observation changed what you were seeing. I haven't done any
> particular reading on this subject, (i.e not even well read on the
> subject let alone an expert) just come across bits and pieces.
>
> The insight that I got, first about my land here, (thanks to JJ!)was
> that it is even more the ENERGY with which we observe something that
> changes what we observe. ANd boy did it change!!
>
> There's something in this horse feeding, Insulin Resistance/
> foundering horses thing to do with that. Although I haven't yet put a
> precise finger on it. I figure it is an insight that is unfolding...
>
>
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>
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I agree Sacha.
   I'd love to see pics of your progress. I plan to have mine up and
running in the next 3 months - just have to afford more step-ins and
tape! The next paddock I'll do is the stallion paddock, I think he'll
benefit BIG time as he is a slug by nature, lol!
Adie
P.S I'm assuming pea gravel is small round 'pea sized and shaped'
stones. Haven't really found an equivalent here yet.

>
>
> Hi Adie
>
> I think it will definitely encourage movement. Especially for my horses
> anyway, knowing their behaviour and what they like to do. One of my horses
> in particular really likes to walk. He does it in his paddock now. Not
> pacing but walking around. I think he will get lots from it. The other one
> is very inquisitive and brave and I really think he will love the new
> choice.
>
> It's going to be lots of work but I'm looking forward to seeing how it
> goes.
>
> I don't know what Pea gravel is... sorry...
>
> Sacha
>

Hey Jenny

No, I love the long posts! The more info the better, thanks.

I will go back through those posts. Gaeme's ideas sound really interesting
and I'm hoping I can do something like that here... we are very green
where I live and pretty much all the time, even when in drought.

I'm worried about the magnesium and calcium deficiencies from my grasses
or at the very least imbalances. I have one horse who is just doing the
most unexplainable things. After surgery 2 months ago, there is no
difference. I am taking him to the chiropractor today, a gem of a man for
his opinion. I'll be interested to hear if it's structural or not...

I'll go back through these emails. Also, there is a product I have just
ordered that helps bind up these toxins, it's call Tox-defy. Is this the
one you are talking about?

Sacha

> Hey Sacha, Robyn is right you are not worrying too much - it can be quite
> a big deal.  These things seem to particularly bite those of us who live
> in the greener areas.
>
> The article you were asking about was about regenerating native pastures
> by management alone - without supplements and without expensive (very!)
> native grass seeding.  i.e. by the way that we manage our grazing, we can
> bring back the native pasture, which is much lower in sugar and apparently
> much better for our horses.  I can't look it up wihtout dropping out this
> post, but we did the course in October and I think I wrote the article
> fairly quickly, so if you look at the buttons on the right hand side,
> scroll down until you see the archives by the month - look up October 2009
> and it will be there.
>
> Apparently seeding native pasture is a waste of time because it won't grow
> until the conditions of the soil are right and if the conditions of the
> soil are right, apparently the old seed in the ground regenerates anyway.
>
> You can get more info about Paddock Paradise from Cynthia Coopers website
> www.naturalhorseworld.com   I must have beaten her to the emails, because
> she's a member here and contributes to the list.
>
> You could kind of ADD Graeme Hand's native pasture regeneration management
> to the paddock paradise set up, by changing the way you manage your
> grass/laneway setup from year to year (we asked Graeme that question and
> that was his answer.)
>
> I've got Bobby at the moment who went toxic and tender on his feet on the
> short grass in the week  before I gave them their first really long and
> much older grass that Graeme recommends for native pasture regeneration.
>
> Having said that, I have not been game to put my minis out on it for more
> than a gallop around and play with the herd for a short time, and I have
> limed and dolomited their paddock as Pat Coleby recommends.
>
> Cat Wyley, hoof trimmer extraordinaire and member here too, told me about
> a product called (damn, I can't find the sheet of paper) that absorbs
> toxins at this time of the year.
>
> CAn somebody else fill in the name of that product)  I'll email Cat in
> case she doesn't read this whole post!
>
> And of course, at this time of the year, many, many horse are magnesium
> deficient, which reflects in abnormal nervousness/anxiety/jumpiness or
> abormal aggression or even stringhalt.
>
> Lots of HAPPY movement seems to help too.  Blondie when she fondered on a
> visitors bag of carrots and apples last year, showed me how big a part
> that freedom from fear played, even in recovering from founder (which is
> often the result of the toxicity at this time of the year).
>
> We are using his tender feet as the opportunity to get lots of very good
> quality time in with Bobby who hasn't had much one on one attention for
> way over a year.
>
> I am making assumptions that either or both of these issues are what you
> are cncerned about! - and you know what they say about ass'es!
>
> Wheew, I hope you don't mind an answer as long as War and Peace!  But I
> hope these avenues will help!  love to all, jen
>
>
>
>

Hi Adie

I think it will definitely encourage movement. Especially for my horses
anyway, knowing their behaviour and what they like to do. One of my horses
in particular really likes to walk. He does it in his paddock now. Not
pacing but walking around. I think he will get lots from it. The other one
is very inquisitive and brave and I really think he will love the new
choice.

It's going to be lots of work but I'm looking forward to seeing how it goes.

I don't know what Pea gravel is... sorry...

Sacha

> I am in the process of adding a PP track.  I've got rivers tones around
> their bath, and just need a few more 'step-ins' to complete my track.
> Going to add more stones too, some a little tougher - the PP forum I'm
> on suggest 'Pea Gravel' any idea what we call that here?
>   There is NO doubt my horses will do more exercise on a track - we have
> very little pick, so they eat from a round bale, and they walk from the
> round bale to the water, and back. That's it.
> Adie
>
>>
>>
>> Interesting, thanks Pony... I'm going to give it a go. I can direct
>> the laneways down our driveway which is quite long and gravel so I
>> don't need to add any gravel. I don't have much useable land but this
>> will make the best of it I think. I'm going to give it a go. Will be a
>> good way to replant the grasses also I think. I can replant the areas
>> that are not in use maybe... I need to do some more investigations.
>>
>>
>> Sacha
>>
>> On 19/11/2009, at 9:19 PM, equine miracle wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi Sacha
>>>
>>> I don’t think you are worrying too much, and if you can replant your
>>> paddocks to suit your horses you will keep them much healthier in the
>>> long term. I don’t know anything about the particular problems you
>>> mention though.
>>>
>>> Paddock paradise set ups usually involve making laneway type areas
>>> for your horses to wander, typically with water at one end and food
>>> at another. Sometimes people purposely put in waterd and gravel areas
>>> to condition their horses’s feet.
>>>
>>> Some of my clients swear this system has saved their horses however I
>>> recently read somewhere about a study done of horses in ‘normal’
>>> paddocks, and some in paddock paradises and there wasn’t any
>>> difference in the distance each set travelled.
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>>
>>> Pony
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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>
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>
>
>
>

Hi Leanne

Thanks for your experiences. Always good to hear others feedback. I really
like the sound of the paradise paddocks. It kind of makes sense for me...
I'd be interested to hear more about Graeme's ideas as I'm quite new to
the list but will go back and look at older posts.

Definitely, if it's worked for you I'd stick with it.

Thanks, Sacha

> Hi Sacha,
>
> I have had my horses on a paddock paradise track now for a few years.
> I had two horses with typical IR symptoms, in both cases all but one
> of those symptoms had markedly reduced within a couple of months of
> putting them into the track. Prior to setting up the track I had been
> setting up labyrinths in their paddocks (not a circuit) to try and
> encourage more movement for about 5 years. That was not too
> succcessful, especially in terms of maintaining some sort of weight
> control and it also had no effect on their IR symptoms. They jsut did
> not move unless I went out there and herded them around for a few
> hours a day.  I did that for a couple of years and even then it did
> not help much although I learnt a lot about my horses by doing this.
> With the labyrinth they would get to one end or the other and camp
> there for 12 or more hours which was no different to what they did in
> the paddock without a labyrinth. If you create a track  IME it needs
> to be a circuit that is endless, if they have to turn around and go
> back like they did in my labyrinths it is not so effective. I would
> also recommend you follow as many of his other suggestions as you can
> if you decide to try it.
>
> I have not had any experience with oxylate issues so I have no idea
> whether a track might help alleviate them or not.
>
> Jenny did a blog post about some work that Graeme Hand does a month or
> so ago. With his work you use grazing animals to encourage the growth
> of certain grasses. His theories (IME) take a bit to understand but it
> is a cheapish and relatively easy way to alter the grass species
> available to your animals. You have to wait a while though, minimum of
> 6 months and probably longer in a lot of areas. A paddock paradise
> track does not fit in well as a stand alone thing that can be left
> with horses in it 24/7/365 and still have Graemes ideas work. If you
> wanted different grasses in your track you would have to manage it in
> the way Graeme suggests, which means having a lot of different options
> for a track OR just sacrifice the track area and allow very limited
> grazing on the rest of your property. With my horses I plan to try the
> second of these options once we get settled on our new place. I am not
> sure the horses will get the sort of movement that is required if I
> followed Graeme's ideas with 100 % of my property and I am not willing
> to risk having their IR issues coming back to find out.
>
> Leanne
>
>
>
> On 19/11/2009, at 12:14 PM, sacha_usher wrote:
>
>> Hi Everyone
>>
>> I know this is not related to the bobbysdiaries directly but I did
>> notice something on the books with spirit website about something
>> similar and I can't seem to find it now. I hope it's ok that I post
>> about this?
>>
>> I have come across a website talking about different grasses being a
>> problem for horses and the oxylates in them. The symptoms of these
>> problems are like text book for both my horses, especially one. I'm
>> wondering if anyone has had experience with replanting grasses
>> (horse friendly even maybe native) on their properties and also a
>> paddocking system called paradise paddocks. It seems very
>> interesting and I'm looking at setting it up here.
>>
>> People have said to me recently that I worry too much about my
>> horses but I really can feel something is not right and I'm hoping
>> that this is the missing link.
>>
>> Thanks, Sacha
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Cynthia Cooper, of this group, and naturalhorseworld.com was part of a trial
where they had movement collars on her horses - some of which were on a track
and some weren't.  The results on her place were no different in movement
between the two lots of horses.  Cynthia will know the details better than my
memory of her telling me over a year ago!

But she still thought it was a great thing.

I'll email her in case she's really busy and doesn't notice this topic.

Here's a P.S.  Einstein was one of the scientists involved in early Quantum
physics, where they pointed out that the very act of observation changed what
you were seeing.  I haven't done any particular reading on this subject, (i.e
not even well read on the subject let alone an expert) just come across bits and
pieces.

The insight that I got, first about my land here, (thanks to JJ!)was that it is
even more the ENERGY with which we observe something that changes what we
observe.  ANd boy did it change!!

There's something in this horse feeding, Insulin Resistance/ foundering horses
thing to do with that. Although I haven't yet put a precise finger on it.  I
figure it is an insight that is unfolding...

I am in the process of adding a PP track.  I've got rivers tones around
their bath, and just need a few more 'step-ins' to complete my track.
Going to add more stones too, some a little tougher - the PP forum I'm
on suggest 'Pea Gravel' any idea what we call that here?
   There is NO doubt my horses will do more exercise on a track - we have
very little pick, so they eat from a round bale, and they walk from the
round bale to the water, and back. That's it.
Adie

>
>
> Interesting, thanks Pony... I'm going to give it a go. I can direct
> the laneways down our driveway which is quite long and gravel so I
> don't need to add any gravel. I don't have much useable land but this
> will make the best of it I think. I'm going to give it a go. Will be a
> good way to replant the grasses also I think. I can replant the areas
> that are not in use maybe... I need to do some more investigations.
>
>
> Sacha
>
> On 19/11/2009, at 9:19 PM, equine miracle wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Hi Sacha
>>
>> I don’t think you are worrying too much, and if you can replant your
>> paddocks to suit your horses you will keep them much healthier in the
>> long term. I don’t know anything about the particular problems you
>> mention though.
>>
>> Paddock paradise set ups usually involve making laneway type areas
>> for your horses to wander, typically with water at one end and food
>> at another. Sometimes people purposely put in waterd and gravel areas
>> to condition their horses’s feet.
>>
>> Some of my clients swear this system has saved their horses however I
>> recently read somewhere about a study done of horses in ‘normal’
>> paddocks, and some in paddock paradises and there wasn’t any
>> difference in the distance each set travelled.
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Pony
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Hey Sacha, Robyn is right you are not worrying too much - it can be quite a big
deal.  These things seem to particularly bite those of us who live in the
greener areas.

The article you were asking about was about regenerating native pastures by
management alone - without supplements and without expensive (very!) native
grass seeding.  i.e. by the way that we manage our grazing, we can bring back
the native pasture, which is much lower in sugar and apparently much better for
our horses.  I can't look it up wihtout dropping out this post, but we did the
course in October and I think I wrote the article fairly quickly, so if you look
at the buttons on the right hand side, scroll down until you see the archives by
the month - look up October 2009 and it will be there.

Apparently seeding native pasture is a waste of time because it won't grow until
the conditions of the soil are right and if the conditions of the soil are
right, apparently the old seed in the ground regenerates anyway.

You can get more info about Paddock Paradise from Cynthia Coopers website
www.naturalhorseworld.com   I must have beaten her to the emails, because she's
a member here and contributes to the list.

You could kind of ADD Graeme Hand's native pasture regeneration management to
the paddock paradise set up, by changing the way you manage your grass/laneway
setup from year to year (we asked Graeme that question and that was his answer.)

I've got Bobby at the moment who went toxic and tender on his feet on the short
grass in the week  before I gave them their first really long and much older
grass that Graeme recommends for native pasture regeneration.

Having said that, I have not been game to put my minis out on it for more than a
gallop around and play with the herd for a short time, and I have limed and
dolomited their paddock as Pat Coleby recommends.

Cat Wyley, hoof trimmer extraordinaire and member here too, told me about a
product called (damn, I can't find the sheet of paper) that absorbs toxins at
this time of the year.

CAn somebody else fill in the name of that product)  I'll email Cat in case she
doesn't read this whole post!

And of course, at this time of the year, many, many horse are magnesium
deficient, which reflects in abnormal nervousness/anxiety/jumpiness or abormal
aggression or even stringhalt.

Lots of HAPPY movement seems to help too.  Blondie when she fondered on a
visitors bag of carrots and apples last year, showed me how big a part that
freedom from fear played, even in recovering from founder (which is often the
result of the toxicity at this time of the year).

We are using his tender feet as the opportunity to get lots of very good quality
time in with Bobby who hasn't had much one on one attention for way over a year.

I am making assumptions that either or both of these issues are what you are
cncerned about! - and you know what they say about ass'es!

Wheew, I hope you don't mind an answer as long as War and Peace!  But I hope
these avenues will help!  love to all, jen

Hi Everyone

I know this is not related to the bobbysdiaries directly but I did notice
something on the books with spirit website about something similar and I can't
seem to find it now. I hope it's ok that I post about this?

I have come across a website talking about different grasses being a problem for
horses and the oxylates in them. The symptoms of these problems are like text
book for both my horses, especially one. I'm wondering if anyone has had
experience with replanting grasses (horse friendly even maybe native) on their
properties and also a paddocking system called paradise paddocks. It seems very
interesting and I'm looking at setting it up here.

People have said to me recently that I worry too much about my horses but I
really can feel something is not right and I'm hoping that this is the missing
link.

Thanks, Sacha

----- Original Message -----

From: adriennewimbush

To: bobbysdiariesdiscussiongroup@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 10:57 AM

Subject: Re: [bobbysdiariesdiscussiongroup] "Ride from the Heart" by Jenny Rolfe

 

Thanks Kath, that makes a heap of sense, and I'll try it out.
I wonder if I can get the local library to buy it? I've been doing the
'sharing breath' with my horses recently (I seemed to have forgotten
about it, I used to do it as a kid) and the horses really seem to like
that, too.
Adie
>
>
> Hi Adie,
>
> The book talks about how our breathing techniques benefit both the
> rider and horse. I'll just quote a few things that might give you an
> idea of what she's on about....."The deeper awareness and practice of
> this way of breathing will immediately help a rider to become more at
> one with his horse"........"Breathing awareness can enhance both
> balance and self-carriage, and correct breathing will help supple and
> strengthen the lower abdominal muscles, which should be utilized to
> absorb a horse's movement........"If a horse becomes too strong in
> hand, you should take a sharp, deeper breath inwards, which will
> enhance your core stability from your lower back. This action will
> cause the horse to rebalance under you helping him to lighten the
> forehand and take more weight on the
> haunches............""Self-control in breathing helps to control the
> movement and balance of a horse. When a deep inward breath is taken,
> the forward energy flow is interrupted..........the deep inhalation
> should be followed by a slower exhalation from the lower
> abdomen.".................With the outward breath...."the lower pelvic
> and transverse abdominal muscle tightens and gives a small "push".
> The horse will feel this release of energy which will encourage him to
> move forwards.................". She talks about the effect of
> breathing whether riding or working on the ground with your horse.
>
> I found that my horses responded almost immediately to my
> breath........deep inward breath for "whoa".....I would take the
> breath first and then say whoooooa then I would exhale in a big way
> followed by waaalk and again for trot and they all responded well.
> Wunjo listened to my breathing while on his back, I didn't use the
> word cues at all and he was much more responsive (I did practice it
> with him on the ground first).
>
> Her book is very technical for classical dressage, but has lots of
> excellent information regardless of what style of riding you are
> interested in. She promotes "creating harmony in training", stating
> that "patience weaves good memories, good memories gain confidence,
> confidence gains ability and ability gains
> contentment".............which exactly sums up what I've found with my
> "herd".
>
> As you can probably tell, I highly recommend this book for horse
> lovers everywhere!!!!
>
> Hope this helps in some way. She give exercises on how to improve
> your breathing (along with all kinds of other exercises to help with
> your core strength to improve your riding relationship with your horse).
>
> Cheers, Kath
>

Thanks Kath, that makes a heap of sense, and I'll try it out.
   I wonder if I can get the local library to buy it? I've been doing the
'sharing breath' with my horses recently (I seemed to have forgotten
about it, I used to do it as a kid) and the horses really seem to like
that, too.
Adie
>
>
> Hi Adie,
>
> The book talks about how our breathing techniques benefit both the
> rider and horse.  I'll just quote a few things that might give you an
> idea of what she's on about....."The deeper awareness and practice of
> this way of breathing will immediately help a rider to become more at
> one with his horse"........"Breathing awareness can enhance both
> balance and self-carriage, and correct breathing will help supple and
> strengthen the lower abdominal muscles, which should be utilized to
> absorb a horse's movement........"If a horse becomes too strong in
> hand, you should take a sharp, deeper breath inwards, which will
> enhance your core stability from your lower back.  This action will
> cause the horse to rebalance under you helping him to lighten the
> forehand and take more weight on the
> haunches............""Self-control in breathing helps to control the
> movement and balance of a horse.  When a deep inward breath is taken,
> the forward energy flow is interrupted..........the deep inhalation
> should be followed by a slower exhalation from the lower
> abdomen.".................With the outward breath...."the lower pelvic
> and transverse abdominal muscle tightens and gives a small "push".
> The horse will feel this release of energy which will encourage him to
> move forwards.................".  She talks about the effect of
> breathing whether riding or working on the ground with your horse.
>
> I found that my horses responded almost immediately to my
> breath........deep inward breath for "whoa".....I would take the
> breath first and then say whoooooa then I would exhale in a big way
> followed by waaalk and again for trot and they all responded well.
> Wunjo listened to my breathing while on his back, I didn't use the
> word cues at all and he was much more responsive (I did practice it
> with him on the ground first).
>
> Her book is very technical for classical dressage, but has lots of
> excellent information regardless of what style of riding you are
> interested in.  She promotes "creating harmony in training", stating
> that "patience weaves good memories, good memories gain confidence,
> confidence gains ability and ability gains
> contentment".............which exactly sums up what I've found with my
> "herd".
>
> As you can probably tell, I highly recommend this book for horse
> lovers everywhere!!!!
>
> Hope this helps in some way.  She give exercises on how to improve
> your breathing (along with all kinds of other exercises to help with
> your core strength to improve your riding relationship with your horse).
>
> Cheers, Kath
>

Excellent Jenny, I recommend it. Only gripe is where she places the rope
around the neck on lunge (very high up near the jaw) and there is one
pic of her riding in a BIG, nasty, bit! Weird, when she obviously
doesn't need it!
Adie


>
>
> Hey, that's 5 or six times in a couple of weeks that I've heard about
> that book - I must be supposed to read it!!(Empowering Horses by Imke
> Spilker. How are you enjoying it Adie?
>
> --- In bobbysdiariesdiscussiongroup@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:bobbysdiariesdiscussiongroup%40yahoogroups.com>,
> adriennewimbush <wimballan@...> wrote:
> >
> > Can you tell us more about the breathing techniques, Kath? I'm
> currently
> > reading 'Empowered Horses' by Imke Spilker.
> > Adie
>

Hey, that's 5 or six times in a couple of weeks that I've heard about that book
- I must be supposed to read it!!(Empowering Horses by Imke Spilker.  How are
you enjoying it Adie?

--- In bobbysdiariesdiscussiongroup@yahoogroups.com, adriennewimbush
<wimballan@...> wrote:
>
> Can you tell us more about the breathing techniques, Kath? I'm currently
> reading 'Empowered Horses' by Imke Spilker.
> Adie
>
> >
> >
> > Hi Sacha
> >
> > I didn't mean to imply that you didn't have any kind of this
> > background.....it just excites me that there is crossover between the
> > traditional/classical riding styles and the more alternate way of
> > thinking......shows that it's opening up everywhere!!!  Sooner or
> > later the world will be embracing and considering normal much
> > more fair ways of dealing with our horses.
> >
> > I understand completely your love of the horse even before you had
> > one.......sometimes I think I must have been a horse in my former
> > life, I'm so obessed by them!!!  Your current instructor sounds
> > lovely.....it must be nice to have found someone who can guide you in
> > the way you feel is the best for you and your horse.  I'm reading
> > /"Ride from the Heart"/ by Jenny Rolfe who trains humans and horses
> > in high level classical dressage and man does it have some powerful
> > ideas.  She promotes working at liberty on the ground before
> > proceeding with line work, in hand work or riding and she talks about
> > using the breath as a communication tool.  I went out and tried the
> > breathing techniques with all three of my horses and the results were
> > immediate and astounding!!!  All of them began moving with my breath
> > and Wunjo even responded while I was on his back with no tack....much
> > better than he had been responding with my voice!!!!  Absolutely
> > amazing!!!  If you haven't read it, it's certainly excellent
> > material......she writes very much about the appreciation of the
> > horse, reward and listening to them while still getting the results of
> > high level classical dressage training.
> >
> > Hope you have a great weekend and enjoy your horses.
> > Cheers, Kath
> >
>

Can you tell us more about the breathing techniques, Kath? I'm currently
reading 'Empowered Horses' by Imke Spilker.
Adie

>
>
> Hi Sacha
>
> I didn't mean to imply that you didn't have any kind of this
> background.....it just excites me that there is crossover between the
> traditional/classical riding styles and the more alternate way of
> thinking......shows that it's opening up everywhere!!!  Sooner or
> later the world will be embracing and considering normal much
> more fair ways of dealing with our horses.
>
> I understand completely your love of the horse even before you had
> one.......sometimes I think I must have been a horse in my former
> life, I'm so obessed by them!!!  Your current instructor sounds
> lovely.....it must be nice to have found someone who can guide you in
> the way you feel is the best for you and your horse.  I'm reading
> /"Ride from the Heart"/ by Jenny Rolfe who trains humans and horses
> in high level classical dressage and man does it have some powerful
> ideas.  She promotes working at liberty on the ground before
> proceeding with line work, in hand work or riding and she talks about
> using the breath as a communication tool.  I went out and tried the
> breathing techniques with all three of my horses and the results were
> immediate and astounding!!!  All of them began moving with my breath
> and Wunjo even responded while I was on his back with no tack....much
> better than he had been responding with my voice!!!!  Absolutely
> amazing!!!  If you haven't read it, it's certainly excellent
> material......she writes very much about the appreciation of the
> horse, reward and listening to them while still getting the results of
> high level classical dressage training.
>
> Hope you have a great weekend and enjoy your horses.
> Cheers, Kath
>