Hi Kat,

I was just wondering if you know of anyone who makes leather
halti's.  Kia broke his halti yesterday when we were walking and it
made for a very rough return walk home.  There is one dog in the
neighbourhood that he just goes ape about when he sees him and he
pulled so hard he actually broke his halti this time.

I took Kia home and did a temporary repair of his halti, (I added a
leather strap) and then I took him back to see the other dog.  He
went wild again so I dropped the leash and let him go to the other
dog and then I sprayed Kia with water.  It was weird because when we
walked by that same spot a few minutes later the other dog came to
the fence but he didn't bark or growl and when I tried it again, the
dog didn't even come to the fence. So hopefully that means that the
walks will get easier.  I can't walk Kia without going past this
other dog because our streets are all dead ends and unless we want a
really, really short walk I have to get this resolved.  Any
suggestions would be appreciated.

Thanks,
Deborah

--- In crazyforgsd@yahoogroups.com, "Kat Peterson"
<excaliburk9@i...> wrote:
> I  apologize for responding to this post, I should not of. I let
my heart rule my head sometimes.
>
> Kat Peterson
>
> Excaliburk9 German Shepherd Dogs
> Kat's Dog Training Center and /
> On line Canine Behavior and Training Services
>
>
> http://www.katsdogtraining.webpointusa.com/
>
>
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Kat Peterson
>   To: crazyforgsd@yahoogroups.com
>   Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2003 2:24 PM
>   Subject: Re: [crazyforgsd] Hmmm..........
>
>
>
>
>     ----- Original Message -----
>     From: Arman Khan
>     To: crazyforgsd@yahoogroups.com ; javidalikhan@h... ;
rozinaahmed@h... ; suezislam@h...
>     Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2003 12:02 AM
>     Subject: [crazyforgsd] Hmmm..........
>
>
>     GREAT AMERICANSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!
>     Americans are very intelligent, that is why they are constably
cheated and manipulated by their governemnt and news media.
>
>
>     I  see in the news around the world the untruths is told over
and over. That we hate Muslims and we dont, we believe in all people
have a choice. Where in most Muslims countrys you belive their way
or are jailed or killed. Alot of countrys do not have the freedoms
that we have or do.
>
>     America is very very strong, in fact super strong, that is why
they are afraid of almost bare-handed Bin Laden.
>
>     He planed and did a terrosits attacked that Killed over 3000
thousands people that were not in the military, put going to work
just like we all do. He is a major evil person that needs to be
taken out. His net works is very extensive and dug deep down.
>
>     Americans are very very rich, that is why they still have
millions of homeless people (actually if they could cut 0.000001% of
the millitary budgent, it would be more than enough to shelter those
hungry and cold homeless people).
>
>     For some of the homeless it is due to them, not wanting to
work but have the government give it all to them. Some of it is due
to a high teenage pregnancy rate, Husbands leaving wife with kids.
Which is more of a moral problem. There are programs every where to
help the less forutnet.  And I do not know of one country including
that area that does not have home less or poor people. We feed more
people around the world and help underdelveop countries to do more
for them selfs.
>     As far as us spending a large buget for our military, we
protect our own and most of the world. Not to mention we have
developed weapons that are so techincal that we are not killing
civialivan or very little of them. War is war. and our young men are
dying also. We are spending millions of dallors to prevent death
during war time. I do not see Saddam doing that in fact he is
sending missles down on his own people to say we are doing it.
>
>     America is a democratic contry, that is why they constantly
dictate other contry's internal affairs without approval of local
people.
>
>     What are you talking about here? Countries want aid to help
theirs, and if we want them to have a better human rights or woman
rights what is wrong with that.
>
>
>     America is a free contry, that is why people of other contry
could not work or even visit US freely at their will unless you only
want to stay in american jail for life.
>
>     Gee I dont want more terrorist or crimnals to come too our
country we have hundreds of millions that work here, go to school
here. WE have some of the freest rules of any country for foreingers
that visit.  And that is not true if you visit your going to jail ,
where did you here this information.
>
>     Americans are very very generous to third world contry, that
is why they always force you to buy their people-killing weapons at
rediculously high prices.
>
>     Where did you get this information? Technoicgly cost money,
are we supposed to allow every one to have weapons as cheapy sales
cost. Where are you getting your information from? The people that
want to kill others?
>
>     American society is a very fair society, that is why only a
white male could the president of the contry.
>
>     We are a young country, and I believe that is untrue, we are
developing our civil rights all the time, I believe we will have a
black male or black female for president in the next 8 years.
>     But at least we have human right for females where they do not
have to dress in a certain manner or are stoned! We have Women
Doctors, Conggresmen, Senetors, You name it women are doing it. Same
as for Black men and women. The only thing stoping black people is
them self. Threre are countries over there that have been around for
thousands of years and they treat woman worse then they every have.
Chrisitans have basicall no right over there. There human treats
meant are not something to write home about.
>
>     America has all kinds of nuclear weapons and other advanced
people-killing weapons, that is why they don't want other contries
to have the same.
>
>     Do you want Iraqi or Iran to have nueclear weapons? How about
>      China, We of course do not want these type of countries to
have these type of weapons, would you. would it make your feel safe
if your neiborhood bully had one? WE do not plan on using them and
we have the most restrained military in the world.
>
>     What gives Arman I have never attacked your culture, why are
you doing this now? You are hearing all lies and untruths if you are
getting this on the news, that is not what our country is about. It
is about freedom, freedom of choice to choose what you want or say.
We believe in helping the little guy, and country. I have really
tried to reframe from getting my polical views on this board lately
at first I did but I no longer set any thing that I am aware of if I
did I am sorry.
>
>     , Why are you attacking us Americans now?
>
>     Kat
>
>
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----- Original Message -----

From: Kat Peterson

To: crazyforgsd@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2003 2:24 PM

Subject: Re: [crazyforgsd] Hmmm..........

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Arman Khan

To: crazyforgsd@yahoogroups.com ; javidalikhan@... ; rozinaahmed@... ; suezislam@...

Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2003 12:02 AM

Subject: [crazyforgsd] Hmmm..........

GREAT AMERICANSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!

Americans are very intelligent, that is why they are constably cheated and manipulated by their governemnt and news media.

 

 

I  see in the news around the world the untruths is told over and over. That we hate Muslims and we dont, we believe in all people have a choice. Where in most Muslims countrys you belive their way or are jailed or killed. Alot of countrys do not have the freedoms that we have or do.

 

America is very very strong, in fact super strong, that is why they are afraid of almost bare-handed Bin Laden.

 

He planed and did a terrosits attacked that Killed over 3000 thousands people that were not in the military, put going to work just like we all do. He is a major evil person that needs to be taken out. His net works is very extensive and dug deep down.

 

Americans are very very rich, that is why they still have millions of homeless people (actually if they could cut 0.000001% of the millitary budgent, it would be more than enough to shelter those hungry and cold homeless people).

 

For some of the homeless it is due to them, not wanting to work but have the government give it all to them. Some of it is due to a high teenage pregnancy rate, Husbands leaving wife with kids. Which is more of a moral problem. There are programs every where to help the less forutnet.  And I do not know of one country including that area that does not have home less or poor people. We feed more people around the world and help underdelveop countries to do more for them selfs.

As far as us spending a large buget for our military, we protect our own and most of the world. Not to mention we have developed weapons that are so techincal that we are not killing civialivan or very little of them. War is war. and our young men are dying also. We are spending millions of dallors to prevent death during war time. I do not see Saddam doing that in fact he is sending missles down on his own people to say we are doing it.

 

America is a democratic contry, that is why they constantly dictate other contry's internal affairs without approval of local people.

 

What are you talking about here? Countries want aid to help theirs, and if we want them to have a better human rights or woman rights what is wrong with that.

 

 

America is a free contry, that is why people of other contry could not work or even visit US freely at their will unless you only want to stay in american jail for life.

 

Gee I dont want more terrorist or crimnals to come too our country we have hundreds of millions that work here, go to school here. WE have some of the freest rules of any country for foreingers that visit.  And that is not true if you visit your going to jail , where did you here this information.

 

Americans are very very generous to third world contry, that is why they always force you to buy their people-killing weapons at rediculously high prices.

 

Where did you get this information? Technoicgly cost money, are we supposed to allow every one to have weapons as cheapy sales cost. Where are you getting your information from? The people that want to kill others?

 

American society is a very fair society, that is why only a white male could the president of the contry.

 

We are a young country, and I believe that is untrue, we are developing our civil rights all the time, I believe we will have a black male or black female for president in the next 8 years.

But at least we have human right for females where they do not have to dress in a certain manner or are stoned! We have Women Doctors, Conggresmen, Senetors, You name it women are doing it. Same as for Black men and women. The only thing stoping black people is them self. Threre are countries over there that have been around for thousands of years and they treat woman worse then they every have. Chrisitans have basicall no right over there. There human treats meant are not something to write home about.

 

America has all kinds of nuclear weapons and other advanced people-killing weapons, that is why they don't want other contries to have the same.

 

Do you want Iraqi or Iran to have nueclear weapons? How about

 China, We of course do not want these type of countries to have these type of weapons, would you. would it make your feel safe if your neiborhood bully had one? WE do not plan on using them and we have the most restrained military in the world.

 

What gives Arman I have never attacked your culture, why are you doing this now? You are hearing all lies and untruths if you are getting this on the news, that is not what our country is about. It is about freedom, freedom of choice to choose what you want or say. We believe in helping the little guy, and country. I have really tried to reframe from getting my polical views on this board lately at first I did but I no longer set any thing that I am aware of if I did I am sorry.

 

, Why are you attacking us Americans now?

 

Kat

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I think you are right Kelly, I sure hope there will be no harsh
feelings, or hurt feelings made on this great list.
I'm with you!
Take care,
Jess

--- In crazyforgsd@yahoogroups.com, "Kelly" <kelly@m...> wrote:
> I'd like to suggest that we keep all talks of politics off of the
board.  It only leads
> to harsh feelings and since I know that this is a small, tight-knit
group, it would
> be a shame to start all that up.  Anybody with me?  :-)
>
> Hugs to all
> Kelly

----- Original Message -----

From: Arman Khan

To: crazyforgsd@yahoogroups.com ; javidalikhan@... ; rozinaahmed@... ; suezislam@...

Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2003 12:02 AM

Subject: [crazyforgsd] Hmmm..........

GREAT AMERICANSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!

Americans are very intelligent, that is why they are constably cheated and manipulated by their governemnt and news media.

 

 

I  see in the news around the world the untruths is told over and over. That we hate Muslims and we dont, we believe in all people have a choice. Where in most Muslims countrys you belive their way or are jailed or killed. Alot of countrys do not have the freedoms that we have or do.

 

America is very very strong, in fact super strong, that is why they are afraid of almost bare-handed Bin Laden.

 

He planed and did a terrosits attacked that Killed over 3000 thousands people that were not in the military, put going to work just like we all do. He is a major evil person that needs to be taken out. His net works is very extensive and dug deep down.

 

Americans are very very rich, that is why they still have millions of homeless people (actually if they could cut 0.000001% of the millitary budgent, it would be more than enough to shelter those hungry and cold homeless people).

 

For some of the homeless it is due to them, not wanting to work but have the government give it all to them. Some of it is due to a high teenage pregnancy rate, Husbands leaving wife with kids. Which is more of a moral problem. There are programs every where to help the less forutnet.  And I do not know of one country including that area that does not have home less or poor people. We feed more people around the world and help underdelveop countries to do more for them selfs.

As far as us spending a large buget for our military, we protect our own and most of the world. Not to mention we have developed weapons that are so techincal that we are not killing civialivan or very little of them. War is war. and our young men are dying also. We are spending millions of dallors to prevent death during war time. I do not see Saddam doing that in fact he is sending missles down on his own people to say we are doing it.

 

America is a democratic contry, that is why they constantly dictate other contry's internal affairs without approval of local people.

 

What are you talking about here? Countries want aid to help theirs, and if we want them to have a better human rights or woman rights what is wrong with that.

 

 

America is a free contry, that is why people of other contry could not work or even visit US freely at their will unless you only want to stay in american jail for life.

 

Gee I dont want more terrorist or crimnals to come too our country we have hundreds of millions that work here, go to school here. WE have some of the freest rules of any country for foreingers that visit.  And that is not true if you visit your going to jail , where did you here this information.

 

Americans are very very generous to third world contry, that is why they always force you to buy their people-killing weapons at rediculously high prices.

 

Where did you get this information? Technoicgly cost money, are we supposed to allow every one to have weapons as cheapy sales cost. Where are you getting your information from? The people that want to kill others?

 

American society is a very fair society, that is why only a white male could the president of the contry.

 

We are a young country, and I believe that is untrue, we are developing our civil rights all the time, I believe we will have a black male or black female for president in the next 8 years.

But at least we have human right for females where they do not have to dress in a certain manner or are stoned! We have Women Doctors, Conggresmen, Senetors, You name it women are doing it. Same as for Black men and women. The only thing stoping black people is them self. Threre are countries over there that have been around for thousands of years and they treat woman worse then they every have. Chrisitans have basicall no right over there. There human treats meant are not something to write home about.

 

America has all kinds of nuclear weapons and other advanced people-killing weapons, that is why they don't want other contries to have the same.

 

Do you want Iraqi or Iran to have nueclear weapons? How about

 China, We of course do not want these type of countries to have these type of weapons, would you. would it make your feel safe if your neiborhood bully had one? WE do not plan on using them and we have the most restrained military in the world.

 

What gives Arman I have never attacked your culture, why are you doing this now? You are hearing all lies and untruths if you are getting this on the news, that is not what our country is about. It is about freedom, freedom of choice to choose what you want or say. We believe in helping the little guy, and country. I have really tried to reframe from getting my polical views on this board lately at first I did but I no longer set any thing that I am aware of if I did I am sorry.

 

, Why are you attacking us Americans now?

 

Kat

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----- Original Message -----

From: Arman Khan

To: star74a@... ; crazyforgsd@yahoogroups.com ; flwetdog@... ; javidalikhan@... ; naimayasmeen@... ; shaggypagla@... ; rozinaahmed@... ; suezislam@...

Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 11:47 PM

Subject: [crazyforgsd] Fwd: Fw:

A Letter from Michael Moore to George W. Bush on the Eve of War

George W. Bush

1600 Pennsylvania Ave.

Washington, DC

Dear Governor Bush:

So today is what you call "the moment of truth," the day that "France and the rest of world have to show their cards on the table." I'm glad to hear that this day has finally arrived. Because, I gotta tell ya, having survived 440 days of your lying and conniving, I wasn't sure if I could take much more. So I'm glad to hear that today is Truth Day, 'cause I got a few truths

I would like to share with you:

1. There is virtually NO ONE in America (talk radio nutters and Fox News aside) who is gung-ho to go to war. Trust me on this one. Walk out of the White House and on to any street in America and try to find five people who are PASSIONATE about wanting to kill Iraqis. YOU WON'T FIND THEM! Why? 'Cause NO Iraqis have ever come here and killed any! of us! No Iraqi has even threatened to do that. You see, this is how we average Americans think: If a certain so-and-so is not perceived as a threat to our lives, then, believe it or not, we don't want to kill him! Funny how that works!

2. The majority of Americans -- the ones who never elected you -- are not fooled by your weapons of mass distraction. We know what the real issues are that affect our daily lives -- and none of them begin with I or end in Q. Here's what threatens us: two and a half million jobs lost since you took office, the stock market having become a cruel joke, no one knowing if their retirement funds are going to be there, gas now costs almost two dollars -- the list goes on and on. Bombing Iraq will not make any of this go away. Only you need to go away for things to improve.

3. As Bill Maher said last week, how bad do you have to suck to lose a popularity contest with Saddam Hussein? The whole world is a! gainst you, Mr. Bush. Count your fellow Americans among them. < BR>

4. The Pope has said this war is wrong, that it is a SIN. The Pope! But even worse, the Dixie Chicks have now come out against you! How bad does it have to get before you realize that you are an army of one on this war? Of course, this is a war you personally won't have to fight. Just like when you went AWOL while the poor were shipped to Vietnam in your place.

5. Of the 535 members of Congress, only ONE (Sen. Johnson of South Dakota) has an enlisted son or daughter in the armed forces! If you really want to stand up for America, please send your twin daughters over to Kuwait right now and let them don their chemical warfare suits. And let's see every member of Congress with a child of military age also sacrifice their kids for this war effort. What's that you say? You don't THINK so? Well, hey, guess what -- we don't think so either!

6. Finally, we love France. Yes, they have pulled some royal screw-ups. Yes, some of the! m can be pretty damn annoying. But have you forgotten we wouldn't even have this country known as America if it weren't for the French? That it was their help in the Revolutionary War that won it for us? That our greatest thinkers and founding fathers -- Thomas Jefferson, Ben Franklin, etc. -- spent many years in Paris where they refined the concepts that lead to our Declaration of Independence and our Constitution? That it was France who gave us our Statue of Liberty, a Frenchman who built the Chevrolet, and a pair of French brothers who invented the movies? And now they are doing what only a good friend can do -- tell you the truth about yourself, straight, no b.s. Quit pissing on the French and thank them for getting it right for once. You know, you really should have traveled more (like once) before you took over. Your ignorance of the world has not only made you look stup id, it has painted you into a corner you can't get out of.

Well, cheer up -- there IS good news. If you do go through with t his war, more than likely it will be over soon because I'm guessing there aren't a lot of Iraqis willing to lay down their lives to protect Saddam Hussein. After you "win" the war, you will enjoy a huge bump in the popularity polls as everyone loves a winner -- and who doesn't like to see a good ass-whoopin' every now and then (especially when it 's some third world ass!). So try your best to ride this victory all the way to next year's election. Of course, that's still a long ways away, so we'll all get to have a good hardy-har-har while we watch the economy sink even further down the toilet!

But, hey, who knows -- maybe you'll find Osama a few days before the election! See, start thinking like THAT! Keep hope alive! Kill Iraqis -- they got our oil!!

Yours,

Michael Moore

www.michaelmoore.com

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Deborah,
Yes my mom did tell me about Brookes little visit. I thought we were
finished with that!! I guess mom didn't know not to let the Brooke in
the fence without being watched. Kynda's good with catching Brooke
isn't she?
I will tell her you enjoyed the pound cake.
I thought it looked like you might have a black eye when I saw you a
few days ago. There was certainly a big enough lump on your eyebrow
for it to turn black!
Kelly, I wasn't sure if the chat was on tonight or not because
Deborah and Arman couldn't make it. I thought it would be about 8pm
here, but I was just told it was probably around 6pm. So, I think I
missed it. Sorry! Maybe we should try through MSN or yahoo messanger
next time.
Take care everyone,
Jess

--- In crazyforgsd@yahoogroups.com, "kiamoose" <comdev@s...> wrote:
> Jessie,
>
> Did your mom tell you that Kynda helped us catch Brooke last
night.
> You and Jaime  were out and Brooke came over for an unscheduled
> visit.  Kynda stayed in her own yard for the longest time but was
> watching.  When your mom came over to help me catch Brooke Kynda
> also came over or through the fence I am not sure how.  Anyway I
> asked Kynda to get Brooke and she did, she tackled her to the
ground
> and then we were able to get a leash on her.  I put a leash on
Kynda
> and we brought the dogs back home and put them in the house.
>
> Let you mom know that we loved the lemon pound cake with the
> strawberries, it was delicious.
>
> Oh by the way I did endup with a black eye as a result of getting
> hit in the eyebrow when Kia jumped on the door of the chain link
> fence, as I was trying to open it.  I am going to have to get that
> adjusted so it doesn't happen again.  So now I am working on
> training them to stay in their yard until I call them out.  I make
> them wait until I say okay come here.  I will let you know how it
> goes.  My poor hubby is afraid people are going to think he beats
me
> after my last two dog related injuries.
>
> Okay everyone take care.
>
> Deborah
> --- In crazyforgsd@yahoogroups.com, "Jessica" <jessica_874@h...>
> wrote:
> > LMAO, Kat, you're sooo funny.
> > Deborah, we went for a visit to the other vet and it seems really
> > good. We're going to switch vets. Kyndas shots are in 2 months so
> > we'll see how it goes. I'll tell you more next time I see you.
> > Take care,
> > Jess
> >
> > --- In crazyforgsd@yahoogroups.com, "Kat Peterson"
> <excaliburk9@i...>
> > wrote:
> > > But Deb the scary part is I am one of those people!
> > > lol lol.
> > > Kat Peterson
> > >
> > > Excaliburk9 German Shepherd Dogs
> > > Kat's Dog Training Center and /
> > > On line Canine Behavior and Training Services
> > >
> > >
> > > http://www.katsdogtraining.webpointusa.com/
> > >
> > >
> > >   ----- Original Message -----
> > >   From: kiamoose
> > >   To: crazyforgsd@yahoogroups.com
> > >   Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 11:30 AM
> > >   Subject: [crazyforgsd] Re: Getting older
> > >
> > >
> > >   Scary but true, at least about the driving part.
> > >
> > >   Deborah
> > >
> > >   --- In crazyforgsd@yahoogroups.com, "Kat Peterson"
> > >   <excaliburk9@i...> wrote:
> > >   >
> > >   > ------------------------------------------------------------
-
> ---
> > ---
> > >   -------------
> > >   >  Growing Older
> > >   >
> > >   > At a nursing home, a group of seniors were sitting around
> > talking
> > >   about all their ailments.
> > >   >
> > >   > "My arms have gotten so weak, I can hardly lift this cup of
> > >   coffee," one said.
> > >   >
> > >   > "Yes, I know," another said. "My cataracts are so bad, I
> can't
> > >   even see my coffee."
> > >   >
> > >   > "I couldn't even mark an X at election time, my hands are
so
> > >   crippled," volunteered a third.
> > >   >
> > >   > "I can't turn my head because of the arthritis in my neck,"
> > said a
> > >   fourth, to which several nodded weakly in agreement.
> > >   >
> > >   > "I forgot where I am and where I'm going," said another.
> > >   >
> > >   > "I guess that's the price we pay for getting old," winced
an
> > old
> > >   man as he slowly shook his head. The others nodded in
> agreement.
> > >   >
> > >   > "Well, count your blessings," one woman said
> cheerfully. "Thank
> > >   God we can all still drive!"
> > >   >
> > >   > Kat Peterson
> > >   >
> > >   > Excaliburk9 German Shepherd Dogs
> > >   > Kat's Dog Training Center and /
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Jessie,

Did your mom tell you that Kynda helped us catch Brooke last night.
You and Jaime  were out and Brooke came over for an unscheduled
visit.  Kynda stayed in her own yard for the longest time but was
watching.  When your mom came over to help me catch Brooke Kynda
also came over or through the fence I am not sure how.  Anyway I
asked Kynda to get Brooke and she did, she tackled her to the ground
and then we were able to get a leash on her.  I put a leash on Kynda
and we brought the dogs back home and put them in the house.

Let you mom know that we loved the lemon pound cake with the
strawberries, it was delicious.

Oh by the way I did endup with a black eye as a result of getting
hit in the eyebrow when Kia jumped on the door of the chain link
fence, as I was trying to open it.  I am going to have to get that
adjusted so it doesn't happen again.  So now I am working on
training them to stay in their yard until I call them out.  I make
them wait until I say okay come here.  I will let you know how it
goes.  My poor hubby is afraid people are going to think he beats me
after my last two dog related injuries.

Okay everyone take care.

Deborah
--- In crazyforgsd@yahoogroups.com, "Jessica" <jessica_874@h...>
wrote:
> LMAO, Kat, you're sooo funny.
> Deborah, we went for a visit to the other vet and it seems really
> good. We're going to switch vets. Kyndas shots are in 2 months so
> we'll see how it goes. I'll tell you more next time I see you.
> Take care,
> Jess
>
> --- In crazyforgsd@yahoogroups.com, "Kat Peterson"
<excaliburk9@i...>
> wrote:
> > But Deb the scary part is I am one of those people!
> > lol lol.
> > Kat Peterson
> >
> > Excaliburk9 German Shepherd Dogs
> > Kat's Dog Training Center and /
> > On line Canine Behavior and Training Services
> >
> >
> > http://www.katsdogtraining.webpointusa.com/
> >
> >
> >   ----- Original Message -----
> >   From: kiamoose
> >   To: crazyforgsd@yahoogroups.com
> >   Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 11:30 AM
> >   Subject: [crazyforgsd] Re: Getting older
> >
> >
> >   Scary but true, at least about the driving part.
> >
> >   Deborah
> >
> >   --- In crazyforgsd@yahoogroups.com, "Kat Peterson"
> >   <excaliburk9@i...> wrote:
> >   >
> >   > -------------------------------------------------------------
---
> ---
> >   -------------
> >   >  Growing Older
> >   >
> >   > At a nursing home, a group of seniors were sitting around
> talking
> >   about all their ailments.
> >   >
> >   > "My arms have gotten so weak, I can hardly lift this cup of
> >   coffee," one said.
> >   >
> >   > "Yes, I know," another said. "My cataracts are so bad, I
can't
> >   even see my coffee."
> >   >
> >   > "I couldn't even mark an X at election time, my hands are so
> >   crippled," volunteered a third.
> >   >
> >   > "I can't turn my head because of the arthritis in my neck,"
> said a
> >   fourth, to which several nodded weakly in agreement.
> >   >
> >   > "I forgot where I am and where I'm going," said another.
> >   >
> >   > "I guess that's the price we pay for getting old," winced an
> old
> >   man as he slowly shook his head. The others nodded in
agreement.
> >   >
> >   > "Well, count your blessings," one woman said
cheerfully. "Thank
> >   God we can all still drive!"
> >   >
> >   > Kat Peterson
> >   >
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> >   > Kat's Dog Training Center and /
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LMAO, Kat, you're sooo funny.
Deborah, we went for a visit to the other vet and it seems really
good. We're going to switch vets. Kyndas shots are in 2 months so
we'll see how it goes. I'll tell you more next time I see you.
Take care,
Jess

--- In crazyforgsd@yahoogroups.com, "Kat Peterson" <excaliburk9@i...>
wrote:
> But Deb the scary part is I am one of those people!
> lol lol.
> Kat Peterson
>
> Excaliburk9 German Shepherd Dogs
> Kat's Dog Training Center and /
> On line Canine Behavior and Training Services
>
>
> http://www.katsdogtraining.webpointusa.com/
>
>
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: kiamoose
>   To: crazyforgsd@yahoogroups.com
>   Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 11:30 AM
>   Subject: [crazyforgsd] Re: Getting older
>
>
>   Scary but true, at least about the driving part.
>
>   Deborah
>
>   --- In crazyforgsd@yahoogroups.com, "Kat Peterson"
>   <excaliburk9@i...> wrote:
>   >
>   > ----------------------------------------------------------------
---
>   -------------
>   >  Growing Older
>   >
>   > At a nursing home, a group of seniors were sitting around
talking
>   about all their ailments.
>   >
>   > "My arms have gotten so weak, I can hardly lift this cup of
>   coffee," one said.
>   >
>   > "Yes, I know," another said. "My cataracts are so bad, I can't
>   even see my coffee."
>   >
>   > "I couldn't even mark an X at election time, my hands are so
>   crippled," volunteered a third.
>   >
>   > "I can't turn my head because of the arthritis in my neck,"
said a
>   fourth, to which several nodded weakly in agreement.
>   >
>   > "I forgot where I am and where I'm going," said another.
>   >
>   > "I guess that's the price we pay for getting old," winced an
old
>   man as he slowly shook his head. The others nodded in agreement.
>   >
>   > "Well, count your blessings," one woman said cheerfully. "Thank
>   God we can all still drive!"
>   >
>   > Kat Peterson
>   >
>   > Excaliburk9 German Shepherd Dogs
>   > Kat's Dog Training Center and /
>   > On line Canine Behavior and Training Services
>   >
>   >
>   > http://www.katsdogtraining.webpointusa.com/
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To: crazyforgsd@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 11:30 AM

Subject: [crazyforgsd] Re: Getting older

Scary but true, at least about the driving part.

Deborah

--- In crazyforgsd@yahoogroups.com, "Kat Peterson"
<excaliburk9@i...> wrote:
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------
-------------
>  Growing Older
>
> At a nursing home, a group of seniors were sitting around talking
about all their ailments.
>
> "My arms have gotten so weak, I can hardly lift this cup of
coffee," one said.
>
> "Yes, I know," another said. "My cataracts are so bad, I can't
even see my coffee."
>
> "I couldn't even mark an X at election time, my hands are so
crippled," volunteered a third.
>
> "I can't turn my head because of the arthritis in my neck," said a
fourth, to which several nodded weakly in agreement.
>
> "I forgot where I am and where I'm going," said another.
>
> "I guess that's the price we pay for getting old," winced an old
man as he slowly shook his head. The others nodded in agreement.
>
> "Well, count your blessings," one woman said cheerfully. "Thank
God we can all still drive!"
>
> Kat Peterson
>
> Excaliburk9 German Shepherd Dogs
> Kat's Dog Training Center and /
> On line Canine Behavior and Training Services
>
>
> http://www.katsdogtraining.webpointusa.com/



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Scary but true, at least about the driving part.

Deborah

--- In crazyforgsd@yahoogroups.com, "Kat Peterson"
<excaliburk9@i...> wrote:
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------
-------------
>  Growing Older
>
> At a nursing home, a group of seniors were sitting around talking
about all their ailments.
>
> "My arms have gotten so weak, I can hardly lift this cup of
coffee," one said.
>
> "Yes, I know," another said. "My cataracts are so bad, I can't
even see my coffee."
>
> "I couldn't even mark an X at election time, my hands are so
crippled," volunteered a third.
>
> "I can't turn my head because of the arthritis in my neck," said a
fourth, to which several nodded weakly in agreement.
>
> "I forgot where I am and where I'm going," said another.
>
> "I guess that's the price we pay for getting old," winced an old
man as he slowly shook his head. The others nodded in agreement.
>
> "Well, count your blessings," one woman said cheerfully. "Thank
God we can all still drive!"
>
> Kat Peterson
>
> Excaliburk9 German Shepherd Dogs
> Kat's Dog Training Center and /
> On line Canine Behavior and Training Services
>
>
> http://www.katsdogtraining.webpointusa.com/

hahahaha
Jess

--- In crazyforgsd@yahoogroups.com, "Kat Peterson" <excaliburk9@i...>
wrote:
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
------------
>  Growing Older
>
> At a nursing home, a group of seniors were sitting around talking
about all their ailments.
>
> "My arms have gotten so weak, I can hardly lift this cup of
coffee," one said.
>
> "Yes, I know," another said. "My cataracts are so bad, I can't even
see my coffee."
>
> "I couldn't even mark an X at election time, my hands are so
crippled," volunteered a third.
>
> "I can't turn my head because of the arthritis in my neck," said a
fourth, to which several nodded weakly in agreement.
>
> "I forgot where I am and where I'm going," said another.
>
> "I guess that's the price we pay for getting old," winced an old
man as he slowly shook his head. The others nodded in agreement.
>
> "Well, count your blessings," one woman said cheerfully. "Thank God
we can all still drive!"
>
> Kat Peterson
>
> Excaliburk9 German Shepherd Dogs
> Kat's Dog Training Center and /
> On line Canine Behavior and Training Services
>
>
> http://www.katsdogtraining.webpointusa.com/

LOL, that is cute. Reminds me of my cousin Kayden, he gave their
computer and drink of ice cold water! How nice!
Take care,
Jess

--- In crazyforgsd@yahoogroups.com, "Kat Peterson" <excaliburk9@i...>
wrote:
> Kat Peterson
>
> Excaliburk9 German Shepherd Dogs
> Kat's Dog Training Center and /
> On line Canine Behavior and Training Services
>
>
> http://www.katsdogtraining.webpointusa.com/

That is definitely cute, but on the other hand it wouldn't be if it
was your laptop the puppy was peeing on.  If it was mine I would
have a fit.

Take care everyone,
Deborah

--- In crazyforgsd@yahoogroups.com, "Kat Peterson"
<excaliburk9@i...> wrote:
> Kat Peterson
>
> Excaliburk9 German Shepherd Dogs
> Kat's Dog Training Center and /
> On line Canine Behavior and Training Services
>
>
> http://www.katsdogtraining.webpointusa.com/

Buddhists are incredible people, and some of the most sincere that I've ever
met.  Not surprisingly, most that I've encountered here are in the healing
professions.

It's good to see you back online too!  Are you back to full strength?

Kelly
--- In crazyforgsd@yahoogroups.com, "Arman" <arman_khan@h...> wrote:
> hi kelly,
>
> its great to see you posting away once again. missed you!
>
> i loooooooooove buddhism! i had a buddist as a friend and did a lot
> of hanging around their monasteries and studying their religion too.
> very peaceful. both suz and i think that its the most peace loving,
> non conflict, non violent religion in the world. ever tried sitting
> in front of buddha and meditating? its like he looks at you and sees
> right thru to the inside of you. no one can stand to be examined like
> that and still commit sins/crimes. makes you question every single
> thought in your own head. looooooove him & his philosophy.
>
> every religion has its high points but personally i think buddhism
> and the followers of "Ram Krishna missions" to be the most pacifists.
> i used to go to this particular "ram krishna mission mandir(temple)"
> and the high priest there was awesome. we used to sit and talk about
> religion and god and this was in a time when i was questioning my
> faith in the higher being ..... not as a muslim but as a human being
> on wether or not there was a higher being <smile> this priest would
> quote the quran, the bible, gita and their book with equal ease to
> get a point thru when proving how the higher being was really there
> for all of us. he bowled me over!
>
> --- In crazyforgsd@yahoogroups.com, "Kelly" <kelly@m...> wrote:
> > Arman!  It's good to see you back online.
> > I know what you mean.  I'm very conflicted on this.  I have been
> studying
> > buddhism the last 6 months and it's changed my outlook on a few
> things.  It's a
> > fascinating philosophy, but I'm not sure that I could ever take
> their reverence
> > for life, all life, to that extent...however, it's made me respect
> all life
> > more...animals, insects, plants...everything.  What a beautiful
> concept of
> > humanity it is.

> Faith is complete surrender to the will of God and acceptance of His plan
> for us. Lord, You carry me through each moment of my day.  Amen
>
>
> Kat Peterson

Excaliburk9 German Shepherd Dogs
Kat's Dog Training Center and /
On line Canine Behavior and Training Services


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Arman,

Glad to hear that you are finally on the mend.  The cough will
linger for a while but if you suck on a hard candy or drink warm
liquids the cough will be less.

Sorry to hear that Babe and Marge are at it again.  I don't know
what the answer is there.  Maybe Babe is jealous of Marge or simply
doesn't like small dogs.  I had a dog like that once it was sad.

It is nice having my dad here he is still having difficulty dealing
with my mother's death but at least he is trying to do more things.
He is really quite depressed they were married for 47 years, so I
can imagine he feels like he has lost his best friend.

Take care everyone,
Deborah

--- In crazyforgsd@yahoogroups.com, "Arman" <arman_khan@h...> wrote:
> hello gang!
>
> feeling better. I might have this bacterial lung infection beaten
> yet .... i am finally off the anti-biotics (whew!) after nearly 4
> weeks of being on them. the cough lingers on ... but will
hopefully
> also depart in a week or so.
>
> nice to see that your dad is visiting deb. its always exciting to
> have family over. my house can be a mad house at times. its an
open
> for all house, so we have my siblings & suz's staying over
whenever
> they get into a fight with the parents, or just need a shoulder to
> cry on or a bit of cheering up (or permission & excuse to go to
late
> night parties ... LOL)! Plus there's the usual mele of our friends
> and sometimes friends of friends who stay over for a couple of
days
> or so when they are in trouble and need to be tided over for a
while.
> we also have friends turn up at 11:00 pm or later at night for a
> coffee and laugh! i would rather have a house like this than a
nice
> quiet tidy one .. lol!
>
> jessie, tell jaime i wish her all the luck at the vets. hope they
> don't find anything wrong with brooke's hips. keep us updated on
how
> their fence training goes. good luck with the 3 week deadline,
hope
> you have them trained within this time. certainly going to take
loads
> and loads of work.
>
> kelly, i don't think that i can make it to the chat room this
time.
> but perhaps next time who knows. one of the best features about
this
> group is that it shows when people are online. since i have
created a
> yahoo id just for this group, i have noticed that whenever i sign
in
> on yahoo and join the group and start posting, it automatically
shows
> me as being online. i know its a lot of trouble to create new ids
but
> if everyone had one than wouldn't it be great to just hop over to
the
> chat room whenever we are online, coz we would be able to see who
> else is online at the same time?
>
> another thing is i have the same prob as deb. my computer at work
> does not allow chatting except on msn & yahoo messenger. something
> about company firewall policy. so perhaps we can all sign in and
chat
> on msn messenger or something, i know most of us have msn ids to
sign
> in on. let's see how this goes. would certainly be interesting to
> chat with everyone online at the same time.
>
> kat, how are you holding up? its great to see that your daughter
has
> decided to stay at home with you guys and stick it out. good for
both
> of you. soooooo ..... you are human after all ;-) he he he!!
imagine
> you trying to pack all your 8 dogs in the car and coming over for
a
> group union .... LOL! i can imagine homer howling all the way from
> here to the states (all 18 hours of flight time). would be a hoot!
>
> all the kids were doing great. but then babe AGAIN attacked marge
on
> tuesday. now we are back on square one. and i am ready to start
> tearing my hair out. this time, i had just stepped out of the room
> and was in the next room and so very little damage has been done.
but
> i am telling you guys, i am about ready to throw in the towel on
this
> one. i am fed up and just can't figure out what the hell i have to
do
> to get it thru to babe's head that marge is not a "prey" (yes,
that's
> how she looks at her soemtime). sometime they are nice and
agreeable
> together and spends time grooming each other and then things like
> this happens, totally unprovoked (i was there this time). why
can't a
> nice gal like babe just get it thru to her head that biting marge
is
> a big no no?
>
> more on everything else later on guys. i am getting upset again
just
> from talking about this.
>
> take care all.
>
> group hug, prayers & best wishes,
> arman.

--- In crazyforgsd@yahoogroups.com, "Arman Khan" <arman_khan@h...>
wrote:
> Good advice for us all to remember we never know when our time
will be up.

Take care everyone,
Deborah

Hi Kat,

That was lovely.  Thanks.

Deborah
--- In crazyforgsd@yahoogroups.com, "Kat Peterson"
<excaliburk9@i...> wrote:
>
> /
> >I wish you enough
> > >
> > > At an airport I overheard a father and
> > > daughter in their last moments
> > > together. They had announced her
> > > departure and standing near the
> > > security gate, they hugged and he said,
> > > "I love you, I wish you enough."
> > >
> > > She in turn said, "Daddy, our life together
> > > has been more than enough.
> > > Your love is all I ever needed,
> > > I wish you enough, too, Daddy."
> > >
> > > They kissed and she left. He walked over
> > > toward the window where I was
> > > seated. Standing there I could see he
> > > wanted and needed to cry. I tried not
> > > to intrude on his privacy, but he welcomed
> > > me in by asking, "Did you
> > > ever say good-bye to someone
> > > knowing it would be forever?"
> > >
> > > "Yes, I have," I replied, "forgive me
> > > for asking, but why is this a
> > > forever good-bye?" I asked.
> > >
> > > "I am old and she lives much too far away.
> > > I have challenges ahead and
> > > the reality is, the next trip back
> > > would be for my funeral," he said.
> > >
> > > "When you were saying good-bye I heard you
> > > say, 'I wish you enough. "May
> > > I ask what that means?"
> > >
> > > He began to smile. "That's a wish that
> > > has been handed down from other
> > > generations. My parents used to say
> > > it to everyone." He paused for a
> > > moment and looking up as if trying to remember
> > > it in detail, he smiled even more.
> > >
> > > "When we said 'I wish you enough,' we
> > > were wanting the other person to
> > > have a life filled with just enough
> > > good things to sustain them," he
> > > continued and then turning toward me
> > > he shared the following as if he were
> > > reciting it from memory.
> > >
> > > I wish you enough sun to keep your
> > > attitude bright. I wish you enough
> > > rain to appreciate the sun more. I
> > > wish you enough happiness to keep your
> > > spirit alive. I wish you enough pain
> > > so that the smallest joys in life appear
> > > much bigger. I wish you enough gain
> > > to satisfy your wanting. I wish you
> > > enough loss to appreciate all that you
> > > possess. I wish enough "Hello's" to get
> > > you through the final "Good-bye."
> > >
> > > Tears filled his eyes and he walked away.
> > >
> > > My friend, I wish you enough!
> > > So my friends, I WISH YOU ENOUGH!!!!!
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> Kat Peterson
>
> Excaliburk9 German Shepherd Dogs
> Kat's Dog Training Center and /
> On line Canine Behavior and Training Services
>
>
> http://www.katsdogtraining.webpointusa.com
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Hi Arman,
Good to hear you're feeling better. You sure were sick a longggg time!

The vet visit was very interesting. There was an 8 year old golden
also waiting for the vet so we had a nice good chat (I went with
Kynda too) for about 15 minutes. It was so interesting to see how
close in color Brooke and the other golden was. This guy really liked
Kynda. He was complimenting her ears, her face, and oh what a soft
coat LOL. Eventually he said Kynda could be a "show dog" hehehe.
The vet said Brooke was healthy, and wasn't overweight (we thought
she might have been a little chubby). He felt her hips (I guess) and
said they were alright, it's to early to tell. We're a little
frusterated with the vet right now. Because it's his veternary
office, he thinks he can be a half an hour late. And, he thinks he
can do a veternary check up in less then 5 minutes. Is this normal?
Do all doggy doctors think they can check a dog in 5 minutes?

I hope we'll have the dogs trained to the fence before the family
comes too. Even if they have to be supervised through the window
while they're outside. I can paint, watch Kynda out the window, and
watch Kayden all at the same time ;) No problem ;) LOL

That's to bad you couldn't make it to the chat. Maybe we could go
through MSN, or Yahoo messanger so we can all chat. I just figured
out yesterday how to make my status online on the yahoo groups. I
just sign into yahoo messanger. Does everyone here have either yahoo
messanger or MSN?

Pooooor Marge, and pooooor Arman. That's just to bad that you're
still having problems. I thought it was all fixed. I'm not sure, but
maybe having one of them spayed would help. Hopefully everything will
work out soon.

Good to hear from you again, take care, and get well soon.
Jess


crazyforgsd@yahoogroups.com, "Arman" <arman_khan@h...> wrote:
> hello gang!
>
> feeling better. I might have this bacterial lung infection beaten
> yet .... i am finally off the anti-biotics (whew!) after nearly 4
> weeks of being on them. the cough lingers on ... but will hopefully
> also depart in a week or so.
>
> nice to see that your dad is visiting deb. its always exciting to
> have family over. my house can be a mad house at times. its an open
> for all house, so we have my siblings & suz's staying over whenever
> they get into a fight with the parents, or just need a shoulder to
> cry on or a bit of cheering up (or permission & excuse to go to
late
> night parties ... LOL)! Plus there's the usual mele of our friends
> and sometimes friends of friends who stay over for a couple of days
> or so when they are in trouble and need to be tided over for a
while.
> we also have friends turn up at 11:00 pm or later at night for a
> coffee and laugh! i would rather have a house like this than a nice
> quiet tidy one .. lol!
>
> jessie, tell jaime i wish her all the luck at the vets. hope they
> don't find anything wrong with brooke's hips. keep us updated on
how
> their fence training goes. good luck with the 3 week deadline, hope
> you have them trained within this time. certainly going to take
loads
> and loads of work.
>
> kelly, i don't think that i can make it to the chat room this time.
> but perhaps next time who knows. one of the best features about
this
> group is that it shows when people are online. since i have created
a
> yahoo id just for this group, i have noticed that whenever i sign
in
> on yahoo and join the group and start posting, it automatically
shows
> me as being online. i know its a lot of trouble to create new ids
but
> if everyone had one than wouldn't it be great to just hop over to
the
> chat room whenever we are online, coz we would be able to see who
> else is online at the same time?
>
> another thing is i have the same prob as deb. my computer at work
> does not allow chatting except on msn & yahoo messenger. something
> about company firewall policy. so perhaps we can all sign in and
chat
> on msn messenger or something, i know most of us have msn ids to
sign
> in on. let's see how this goes. would certainly be interesting to
> chat with everyone online at the same time.
>
> kat, how are you holding up? its great to see that your daughter
has
> decided to stay at home with you guys and stick it out. good for
both
> of you. soooooo ..... you are human after all ;-) he he he!!
imagine
> you trying to pack all your 8 dogs in the car and coming over for a
> group union .... LOL! i can imagine homer howling all the way from
> here to the states (all 18 hours of flight time). would be a hoot!
>
> all the kids were doing great. but then babe AGAIN attacked marge
on
> tuesday. now we are back on square one. and i am ready to start
> tearing my hair out. this time, i had just stepped out of the room
> and was in the next room and so very little damage has been done.
but
> i am telling you guys, i am about ready to throw in the towel on
this
> one. i am fed up and just can't figure out what the hell i have to
do
> to get it thru to babe's head that marge is not a "prey" (yes,
that's
> how she looks at her soemtime). sometime they are nice and
agreeable
> together and spends time grooming each other and then things like
> this happens, totally unprovoked (i was there this time). why can't
a
> nice gal like babe just get it thru to her head that biting marge
is
> a big no no?
>
> more on everything else later on guys. i am getting upset again
just
> from talking about this.
>
> take care all.
>
> group hug, prayers & best wishes,
> arman.

hello gang!

feeling better. I might have this bacterial lung infection beaten
yet .... i am finally off the anti-biotics (whew!) after nearly 4
weeks of being on them. the cough lingers on ... but will hopefully
also depart in a week or so.

nice to see that your dad is visiting deb. its always exciting to
have family over. my house can be a mad house at times. its an open
for all house, so we have my siblings & suz's staying over whenever
they get into a fight with the parents, or just need a shoulder to
cry on or a bit of cheering up (or permission & excuse to go to late
night parties ... LOL)! Plus there's the usual mele of our friends
and sometimes friends of friends who stay over for a couple of days
or so when they are in trouble and need to be tided over for a while.
we also have friends turn up at 11:00 pm or later at night for a
coffee and laugh! i would rather have a house like this than a nice
quiet tidy one .. lol!

jessie, tell jaime i wish her all the luck at the vets. hope they
don't find anything wrong with brooke's hips. keep us updated on how
their fence training goes. good luck with the 3 week deadline, hope
you have them trained within this time. certainly going to take loads
and loads of work.

kelly, i don't think that i can make it to the chat room this time.
but perhaps next time who knows. one of the best features about this
group is that it shows when people are online. since i have created a
yahoo id just for this group, i have noticed that whenever i sign in
on yahoo and join the group and start posting, it automatically shows
me as being online. i know its a lot of trouble to create new ids but
if everyone had one than wouldn't it be great to just hop over to the
chat room whenever we are online, coz we would be able to see who
else is online at the same time?

another thing is i have the same prob as deb. my computer at work
does not allow chatting except on msn & yahoo messenger. something
about company firewall policy. so perhaps we can all sign in and chat
on msn messenger or something, i know most of us have msn ids to sign
in on. let's see how this goes. would certainly be interesting to
chat with everyone online at the same time.

kat, how are you holding up? its great to see that your daughter has
decided to stay at home with you guys and stick it out. good for both
of you. soooooo ..... you are human after all ;-) he he he!! imagine
you trying to pack all your 8 dogs in the car and coming over for a
group union .... LOL! i can imagine homer howling all the way from
here to the states (all 18 hours of flight time). would be a hoot!

all the kids were doing great. but then babe AGAIN attacked marge on
tuesday. now we are back on square one. and i am ready to start
tearing my hair out. this time, i had just stepped out of the room
and was in the next room and so very little damage has been done. but
i am telling you guys, i am about ready to throw in the towel on this
one. i am fed up and just can't figure out what the hell i have to do
to get it thru to babe's head that marge is not a "prey" (yes, that's
how she looks at her soemtime). sometime they are nice and agreeable
together and spends time grooming each other and then things like
this happens, totally unprovoked (i was there this time). why can't a
nice gal like babe just get it thru to her head that biting marge is
a big no no?

more on everything else later on guys. i am getting upset again just
from talking about this.

take care all.

group hug, prayers & best wishes,
arman.

hi kelly,

its great to see you posting away once again. missed you!

i loooooooooove buddhism! i had a buddist as a friend and did a lot
of hanging around their monasteries and studying their religion too.
very peaceful. both suz and i think that its the most peace loving,
non conflict, non violent religion in the world. ever tried sitting
in front of buddha and meditating? its like he looks at you and sees
right thru to the inside of you. no one can stand to be examined like
that and still commit sins/crimes. makes you question every single
thought in your own head. looooooove him & his philosophy.

every religion has its high points but personally i think buddhism
and the followers of "Ram Krishna missions" to be the most pacifists.
i used to go to this particular "ram krishna mission mandir(temple)"
and the high priest there was awesome. we used to sit and talk about
religion and god and this was in a time when i was questioning my
faith in the higher being ..... not as a muslim but as a human being
on wether or not there was a higher being <smile> this priest would
quote the quran, the bible, gita and their book with equal ease to
get a point thru when proving how the higher being was really there
for all of us. he bowled me over!

--- In crazyforgsd@yahoogroups.com, "Kelly" <kelly@m...> wrote:
> Arman!  It's good to see you back online.
> I know what you mean.  I'm very conflicted on this.  I have been
studying
> buddhism the last 6 months and it's changed my outlook on a few
things.  It's a
> fascinating philosophy, but I'm not sure that I could ever take
their reverence
> for life, all life, to that extent...however, it's made me respect
all life
> more...animals, insects, plants...everything.  What a beautiful
concept of
> humanity it is.

Woof!

A German shepherd went to a Western Union office, took out a blank
form and
wrote, "Woof..woof..woof..woof..woof..woof..woof..woof...woof."

The clerk examined the paper and told the dog, "There are only nine
words here. You could send another 'woof' for the same price."

"But," the dog replied, "it would make no sense at all."

Hi Kelly,
That's good news. Your way of training is the same way the video told
us to train them. I just bought a long leash to start training as
soon as possible. I didn't realise how big of a job it would be to
install the fence, so we're probably going to wait til the weekend to
install it. We also don't have enough wire (only 500 feet) so we need
to purchase some more too. A roll of 500 foot wire costs $50.00
Canadian, is it that much over there? I find it rather expensive...
Take care,
Jess

--- In crazyforgsd@yahoogroups.com, "Kelly" <kelly@m...> wrote:
> I have an "invisible fence."  The wire is underground and the dog
wears a
> collar with a radio receiver.  When he gets near the boundary, a
tone goes off.
> If he continues to approach the boundary, he gets a mild shock.
We have
> had a lot of luck with it.  Max learned very quickly.  He was on
his own after a
> couple of weeks, but then, German Shepherds are exceptional dogs.
>
> If I remember correctly, the first week...we played it like a game
for the 1st
> week.  We covered the electrodes on the collar so that he didn't
get a shock
> and then we would walk on lead to the border of our property, which
was
> marked by flags.  As soon as the tone went off, I would act all
excited and
> make him run away from it as fast as I could.  We did that
countless times
> each day.  He thought it was all great fun.  Then we took  the
covers off the
> electrodes and did it all again for a day or two.  Then, for a
couple of days, we
> did the same exercise without a lead.  He did beautifully, until he
saw
> someone riding a bike past our property and immediately tried to
bound after
> them.  (He was 9 months old at the time).  He got a shock, squealed
and that
> was it.  We have only had 2 times that he's gotten out since.
Once, he was
> chasing a ball and ran right past the boundary going so fast, he
couldn't stop
> for the shock.  We had the boundaries moved so that there was no
incline
> after that.  The only other time he's been out was during this last
snow.  We
> got 32 inches of snow and it froze.  He walked over top of the
boundary with
> now shock.  In that situation, there was no tone and no flags
visible...so I don't
> think he even realized that he was over.  We had the power turned
up so that
> it could generate a signal higher while he was walking 3.5 feet
higher than
> usual.  That worked fine.
>
> I've loved the system.  It's allowed him considerable freedom.  We
would have
> never been able to securely fence as much land as he has now to run
in.  We
> are rural, so there are only our neighbors dogs around, who do come
to visit
> from time to time.  But they are all friends.  I think you will
have no problem
> training in 3 weeks...as long as you have several training sessions
each day.
>
> good luck!
> Kelly

Ohhh, that's to bad. I will copy the chat and let you read it if you
like.
Take care,
Jess


--- In crazyforgsd@yahoogroups.com, "kiamoose" <comdev@s...> wrote:
> Okay,
>
> I will have to sit out the web chats.  We purchased a new computer
> in May 2002 and Microsoft no longer puts the Java stuff on the
> computers becauase of some legal issues that they are having with
> Java so I don't have the programming I need for the computer to be
> able to access chat rooms, becuase I don't have the Java.
>
> So I will see talk to Jessie afterwards and get her to fill me in.
>
> Take care,
> Deborah
>
> --- In crazyforgsd@yahoogroups.com, "Kelly" <kelly@m...> wrote:
> > Okay...Saturday at 10 EST...sound good?
> >
> > --- In crazyforgsd@yahoogroups.com, "Jessica" <jessica_874@h...>
> wrote:
> > > This weekend sounds good. I might be going out Friday night
> though at
> > > around that time. Saturday evening might be better.
> > > Take care,
> > > Jess
> > >
> > > --- In crazyforgsd@yahoogroups.com, "Kelly" <kelly@m...> wrote:
> > > > How about we give the chatting a try this weekend?  Would
> either
> > > Friday or
> > > > Saturday evening work for everyone?  (That way Arman can get
> in
> > > too!)
> > > > Perhaps 10 PM Eastern time?  That way, it's a reasonable time
> for
> > > everyone.
> > > > I'm open, though, for any other time.  We work out of the
> house
> > > here, so I'm
> > > > flexible unless I have a "kid" thing going on.
> > > >
> > > > Kelly
> > > > --- In crazyforgsd@yahoogroups.com, "Jessica"
> <jessica_874@h...>
> > > wrote:
> > > > > Hi guys,
> > > > > As you guys know, I use webshots as a photo album to place
> Kyndas
> > > > > pictures in. Does anyone else use webshots? Arman, with all
> your
> > > > > vacation photos I bet webshots would be a nice place to put
> them
> > > in,
> > > > > and of course all your dogs photos. You guys should check
it
> out.
> > > > > And, are we going to set a time for chatting? It would be
> fun :)
> > > > > Take care,
> > > > > Jess