On Sat, Nov 21, 2009 at 7:57 PM, karen b <stretch20011@...> wrote:
>
> My cat died on Thursday.
> If your cat is on Vetsulin insulin, please take her/him OFF of it immediately.
It has been recalled by the FDA and is very dangerous.
> My cat developed a horrible case of Cushings syndrome.
> I'm just warning you guys, so you don't have to go thru the most awful GRIEF
I've ever experienced in my life.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
aw Karen, i am so sorry for your loss! it's always terrible to lose
our furkids, but especially so when it could and should have been
avoided, when it happened through no fault of yours! i just googled
vetsulin and the FDA warnings are all over the place... too late for
you, alas, but at least maybe it will prevent the same tragedy from
happening to others.

Raven, sending lots of sympathy
--
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New recalls as of Oct. 2009 - http://www.accessdata.fda
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Blessings,
Pam

Laura, I thought all drs. knew that cats can get heartworms too.  Our vet put
both our cats on preventive meds a few years ago for that and told us that cats
can get heartworms too.  So i figured all vets would know.
Sure hope everything goes alright with Buddy.
gloria.

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------Original Message------
From: Laurie B <laurie.blair@...>

I'm in the middle of an awful time of it here with a wonderful cat who has
heartworm.  I've found lots of information on the web, most of it very
discouraging, but haven't found anyone who has a cat with the same problem. 
Even my vets are shaking their heads, since they never have cases of feline
heartworm, so together we're trying to figure out what to do.

LOL...thanx for the 'fat head' squashed inside a glass image, Mike!

R of O...
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--- In domoreforcats@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Harris" <harriswillys@...> wrote:
>
> Adult cats don't need milk, if that's what you're asking.  That doesn't stop
the Girls from trying to get their fat heads into my glass or cereal bowl,
though.  They have quite the "nose" for it and will gather 'round in the hope of
stealing a lick or two from the bottom of the vessel when I'm done.  Since
ordinary cows' milk out of the carton is hard for them to digest I try to keep
them out of it.

That little charmer of a cat did it's magic on one of the "I'll never
have a cat" guys.  His wife loves cats, but he would not tolerate
one.  He decided that this one was different, and took it home with
him.  I've heard that it's *his* cat, too.  It has it's run of the
house and is king of the place.
Considering the cat's personality, I'm not surprised.  :D
Ann in Arkansas

----- Original Message -----

From: KaarenW

To: domoreforcats@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 1:21 PM

Subject: [domoreforcats] milk for cats/ cat pics wanted

 

Just wondering, is milk good for your cat or is water just as good? My 10 month old kitty Bella likes her Whiskas cat milk and it is a lot creamier than the normal lactose free milk and because the pack is purple I do not accidentally put it on my weet bix! Because it is so hot here if she leaves it in the bowl a few hours it turns to yoghurt.. My other cat Tabitha prefers just to drink water out of the tap.

Also I have a cat gallery on my website for cardmakers and I would love to see some pics of everyone's cats. To upload a pic you just need to click on Gallery then create a login and put your pic in the cat gallery plus a couple of lines about your cat.

Thanks heaps
Kaaren
www.fatcatscardcorner.com.au

Buddy is one lucky cat to have his Laurie nursing him to health
with **nasty** medicine..
And Laurie thanks for shring the experience..we all learn from shared
information.
 
amelia / Israel

--- On Mon, 11/23/09, Laurie B <laurie.blair@...> wrote:

Meanwhile I am warning everyone -- do NOT make the mistake of thinking only dogs
get heartworm -- get your cat on preventative meds too. Buddy hates me for all
these meds, but he's greatly improved. We will see what the vet says tomorrow
morning. Has anyone been through this with their cat, with either good or bad
result?? I feel as if I am in a vacuum here, so little is known about what's
happening. Thanks.

That is beyond horrible, and a worst nightmare of anybody who leaves their pets
in the care of others, but if truly NEGLIGENCE then that is unforgivable,
unconscionable, and just tragic.

I would absolutely advocate legal action, not so much to receive a settlement
since nothing will bring your beloved pet back, but maybe a large sum of money
to be donated to an animal shelter????

I can't imagine what excuse your cat feeder could offer that would be at all
acceptable- emergencies come up but they could have found a back-up.

Very sorry for your loss, what an unimaginably tragic return from a trip, to
find you beloved pet like that.

sincere regrets

Joanne

--- In domoreforcats@yahoogroups.com, "bobbyejay" <bobbyejay@...> wrote:
>
> Oh, Priscilla, I am so sorry this happened to your cats but especially sad to
hear about Neuman. What did the irresponsible persons say about the situation?
They should  be very  ashamed of themselves for treating wee ones the way they
did.
>
> Bobbye
>

Me tinks, Highlander Mike, that you are, as always, an entertaining read even if
you don't know the mystery of the crystals.  Brogue on, Brave Heart!

Ro of O...
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--- In domoreforcats@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Harris" <harriswillys@...> wrote:
>
> Early to Mid Cretaceous is an easy call; it's when most U.S. sources of clay
limestones were laid down.
>
> You've got me stumped on the crystals, though.  Dilithium?  *puts on bad
Scottish brogue*  "I'm doin' the best ee can, bu' at this rate, Captain, I kinna
say how much longair the littair box will hold togethairrr!"
>
> Mike Harris
> Maggie, Blackie and Pushy
> Seattle WA

Priscilla,
  First off, let me say how sorry I am for your loss of your beloved Neuman and
for the grief you are going through with the recovery of your other cats.  I
have not read any other responses to your post but if it has not been mentioned
already, the people responsible for this should be turned in to the humane
society.  I am so sorry that you had to come back from vacation to something so
horrible! 
Berni
 
Bernadette M Mentesana
snoqunmxz@...


--- On Fri, 11/20/09, Priscilla <pmaccannell@...> wrote:



I have very sad news.  I know that I have not been on the site lately.  That is
because we were on vacation for 1 month.  When we arrived home, the people
responsible for our cats, did not care for them.  Our NEUMAN was found dead on
the floor.  He had been left there about 1 week. 

I'm in the middle of an awful time of it here with a wonderful cat who has
heartworm.  I've found lots of information on the web, most of it very
discouraging, but haven't found anyone who has a cat with the same problem. 
Even my vets are shaking their heads, since they never have cases of feline
heartworm, so together we're trying to figure out what to do.

Buddy is around 4 years old and came to me from a foster home as part of a
litter of kittens born in a parking lot.  He had an episode of fever and
vomiting shortly after I got him, which my vet diagnosed as bartonella.  He was
treated with Zithromax and has been well and spunky ever since, although he has
always been a "throw-upper" and also has a very slight heart murmur.

About a week and a half ago I noticed Buddy was hiding and crouching behind a
chair, and having violent dry heaves where only a little spit would come up.  I
watched him, and he moped around or lay on my bed looking uncomfortable.  I
brought him to the vet and sure enough he had almost a 105 degree fever. 
Furthermore, he had lost 1 1/2 pounds since his well cat visit one month earlier
(yes, I thought he was looking streamlined; he's a big cat).  The vet thought he
wasn't moving air well -- something I hadn't noticed.  A chest x-ray showed a
patchy asthmatic pattern.  There were no other signs of illness so they did
blood and urine tests.  Everything came back beautiful - and there were
virtually no tests left undone.

Imagine our surprise however when he came back positive for heartworm!  I did
bring him home with some antibiotics, some heartworm preventative (he has a
"sister") and some prednisone for the inflammation of the lungs.  He actually
took a turn for the worse -- wouldn't eat, lay by his bowl, took no interest in
the chickens outside, seemed very weak and began throwing up green bile.  When I
picked him up to bring him back to the vet, his breathing was noisy.

The vet thought the prednisone might be taxing his heart and took him off it. 
He went onto Lasix (diuretic), Terbutaline (bronco-dilator), and Carafate (an
ulcer drug).  He began to perk up, eat and keep it down, groom himself, purr and
fawn, carry his tail upright and open those big green eyes.

Tomorrow he goes for his re-check.  He is still throwing up a bit (eats grass)
but he's about 90% recovered.  A cardiac ultrasound ($$$) will tell the story --
live worms, dead worms, no worms left or what.  You can't give meds to kill the
worms, as they're extremely toxic to cats.  A dead worm may start a severe
reaction as it passes out of the body, even kill him, so if there's any there,
we need to beware.

Meanwhile I am warning everyone -- do NOT make the mistake of thinking only dogs
get heartworm -- get your cat on preventative meds too.  Buddy hates me for all
these meds, but he's greatly improved.  We will see what the vet says tomorrow
morning.  Has anyone been through this with their cat, with either good or bad
result??  I feel as if I am in a vacuum here, so little is known about what's
happening.  Thanks.

I love the Grizzy story!  You ARE an angel!

Here's another alarm to keep your cat away from your Christmas tree or other
areas.

http://www.petgadgets.com/product_details.cfm?product_id=26&content_id=65

Hi Gloria,

It's good your cat is losing weight. We  have one cat who weighs much more
than yours! So, not sure why the panic  from the vet on 17lbs?
Our one kitty, Luka weighs 21.5 lbs now,  was 24 lbs last year, he
originally had Fatty Liver Disease, we had to  tube feed him from a tube
surgically
put into his neck. We fed him for 2  mos like this and it was so stressful
and hard on him and us. But we saved  his life.
So he had dropped a lot of weight when he  was sick and tube fed, then
recovered, tube came out and he gained a bunch  of weight soon after.
But we are happy he is alive and the  weight is something we try to work
on. It has been slow  going.
Your 17lb cat sounds like not a big deal?  Or is she a petite girl?
The amount of food she is getting seems So  small! I am shocked. This
amount is okay with the vet?

I have heard of giving them only 1/4cup of  dry food twice daily for weight
loss but never only 1 TB? Our Luka would  go crazy, he already has an issue
with food, always hungry. But we have  him on light food now.

I just wonder if your girl kitty is  getting enough food overall?

Our vet said some cats can weigh more than  the average 10-12 lbs, if they
have larger bones/frames..

Let me know your thoughts on  this?
Lynn in Illinois

Oh my, that was the most horrible thing I had ever heard of.  May God be with
you and heal you of your ordeal.  I understand not being able to discuss it
until now.  But getting stuff off your chest as soon as possible is a great
healing tool.  Trust me I know.
 
In November 2006 I lost my mother.  That was really hard, but then in February
2007 just 3 months after losing my mother I lost my oldest brother.  That was a
very devastating time for me until I started e-mailing a friend of mine and
started telling him my feelings about what happened and believe it or not he was
able to get me through my losses without me losing my mind.  I was also able to
help him as well because he had just lost his son a few months pryor.  So if you
can open up to someone else it does get you through it much better and quicker.
 
Enough of me.  I hope you can find peace in what you have gone through.  If you
need a friend (even though you don't know who I am) to talk to please feel free
to e-mail me personally anytime you want to.  I too would be devasted to lose
any of my cats.  I am so sorry and will be praying for you.
 
Hope to be your friend,
 
Gloria

--- On Sat, 11/21/09, Raven OKeefe <HeyRave@...> wrote:


Priscilla, how horrible! i can't begin to imagine the shock and
anguish you felt and still feel. who ARE those people? surely they
should not ever ever EVER be in charge of any animals ever again. i'm
so sorry for your loss and heartbreak!

Raven

Like maybe feed them outside the mobile home park.  A walk of a couple of blocks
outside the park where you can still leave food could work and, at the same
time, give you some time to yourself with the brood.

Nancy

--- In domoreforcats@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Harris" <harriswillys@...> wrote:
>
> Pam,
>
   Meanwhile, you'll just have to be
> sneakier about feeding the gang! <grin>
>
> Mike Harris
> Maggie, Blackie and Pushy
> Seattle WA
> ----- Original Message -----
>

At 03:21 PM 11/20/2009, you wrote:
>Just wondering, is milk good for your cat or is water just as good?
>My 10 month old kitty Bella likes her Whiskas cat milk and it is a
>lot creamier than the normal lactose free milk and because the pack
>is purple I do not accidentally put it on my weet bix! Because it is
>so hot here if she leaves it in the bowl a few hours it turns to
>yoghurt.. My other cat Tabitha prefers just to drink water out of the tap.
Well, as I understand it, real milk is *not* good for cats, but the
specially formulated cat milk is just fine for them.  There is no
need to leave out enough so it solidifies, either.  Cats will drink
water if they need it.
Ann in Arkansas

Since you're consulting a vet, perhaps you haven't looked at the calorie chart
but I can't help wondering what brand your vet recommended to you and whether he
suggested a change in brand or merely cutting back on the amount you're feeding.
Does he mention "calories" at all or just to cut back?

As mentioned, my shock was finding that the grain free had more calories than
the "carb heavy" food Pearl's former owner was giving her.

BTW, I love kidneys, beef tongue and liver but don't eat too much as there is a
controversy on the healthfullness of same.  Of course there's a controversy on
everything from eggs and milk and red meat to fish (because of mercury content)
good carbs vs. bad carbs and now soy, which some doctors will tell you is a
wonderful substitute for dairy, while otheres warn against it.

At 73 years of age, I've gotten to the point where I figure I'll just eat what
the heck I want and let the next generation figure it all out, although I have
switched to soy products and find it very satisfying.  Taste good and fewer
calories.

My own doctor even told me she warns her asian clients against eating too much
fish, because the the murcury content and here I was trying to include more fish
in my diet.  If we have this much trouble trying to figure out our own diets,
what chance do our poor pets have when no two doctors (or vets) can agree?

Nancy

--- In domoreforcats@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Harris" <harriswillys@...> wrote:
>
> Mary,
>
> Let's not throw around the term "by-products" so loosely.  There's a real
definition for that term, it's clean, fresh and properly handled non-muscle
meat.  Kidneys, liver, brains, heart, tongue - all good stuff for our cats, as
well as for the few of us still out there who don't shy away from anything that
isn't a steak.
>
> What you mean is grain - corn gluten meal, rice, etc., which will indeed pack
on the pounds.  I've been cutting Blackie down and trying to wean her off the
"carbs" for the past year or so, under a vet's direction.  Since too-rapid
weight loss can lead to liver disease I'd strongly recommend veterinary
supervision in trimming down a tubby cat.
>
> Mike Harris
> Maggie, Blackie and Pushy
> Seattle WA
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: mary kasuba
>   To: domoreforcats@yahoogroups.com
>   Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 4:19 PM
>   Subject: Re: [domoreforcats] By-products
>
>
>
>   Be careful of by-products.. they will add weight on your cat.. and at the
same time not provide the nutritional content they need. If you like Purina,,
look at Pro Plan or Purina one.
>

What's amazing to me is the calories in some cat foods.  When I decided I should
try the grain free, I found the particular one I chose was over 500 calories per
cup.  People will tell you that carbs pack on the pounds but, if you look at the
charts, you'll see that many foods that have rice, and other grains, actually
have fewer calories than some of the grain free foods.

I think that's because, if they use BROWN rice, which is considered one of the
"good" carbs as opposed to the bad carbs, such as white rice which is considered
bad and viewed as one of the carbs that will make one gain weight.

Pearl's former owner was  giving her Friskies Feline Favorites which is  426
calories per cup.  I thought a "grain free" would help her lose weight and was
shock to find that the one I chose, Wellness "Core" has a whopping 536 calories
per cup so I looked at Wellness "Healthy Weight" and it still has more than the
Friskies Feline Favorites at 450 calories per cup.

No wonder there are so many overweight cats out there when even  a "weight
control" food, depending on the brand, may have more calories than a particular
cat needs.  Ie:

Dry Cat Foods - Calories per 8 oz cup

Wellness "Core" 536 calories per cup

Wellness "Healthy Weight" 450 calories per cup

Friskies Feline Favorite 426 cal per cup

Iam's Proactive Health 260 cal per cup

I believe Iam's Proactive Health is fairly new as it is not listed on the charts
on the Pet Obesity Prevention site.

Curious if you've figured out how many calories Bongo is getting now as opposed
to the 190 he should be getting.

As for a cat wheel, isn't there someone that knows someone that can build one at
a reasonable price?  I'm still considering buying a treadmill for myself and see
if Pearl will use it.  If I had more room, it wouldn't even be an issue.

Nancy

--- In domoreforcats@yahoogroups.com, Eve Kurpiers <evenightcap@...> wrote:
>
>
>I see if Bongo should be 12 pounds he should be fed 190 calories a day- sounds
like I should buy one of those cat wheels or a 360
> drinking fountain, both are very expensive, so are dentals & everything else!
>
>

The best part of having the charts to reference is that you don't have to reduce
the amount you feed your cat which may make him cranky.  Just find a food with
fewer calories.

Nancy

--- In domoreforcats@yahoogroups.com, Eve Kurpiers <evenightcap@...> wrote:
>
>
> WOW!
> Fancy Feast is 500 cals per cup!
> No wonder I have a tubb-a-thon!
> Eve, Bongo,SNuggler & Tortie(the latter 3 don't know how to read labels)
>
>
>
> To: domoreforcats@yahoogroups.com
> From: nabrudigam@...
> Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 20:33:13 +0000
> Subject: [domoreforcats] Calorie chart for cat food
>
>
>
>
>
> Some labels will not show the calories and I had to email a couple of
companies to find out the calorie count but this morning I decided to Google
"Comparison of calories in dry cat food" and found a chart that lists every
brand you ever heard of and some lot you didn't.
>
> http://www.petobesityprevention.com/images/Cat_Dry_Food.pdf
>
> Nancy
>

Pet Food Recall Products List
       http://www.accessdata.fda.gov/scripts/newpetfoodrecalls/#Cat,%20Dog

       Bobbye