Betty had a bad heart.  When it was hot she would literally huff and puff the
house down, even in the ac.  Betty had egg problems every once in a while too,
with soft shelled eggs.  I know it's too little too late now for Bianca, but
when Betty had her egg problems, I sprinkled Nekton MSA onto her wet food.  She
loved it and it seemed to help with putting a harder shell on the eggs.  I don't
think it has that much calcium in itself, but it seems to help with calcium
absorption from other foods.

I've read that when an animal huffs and puffs a lot, that changes the pH levels
in the blood enough that it creates a tendency for the bird to create
soft-shelled eggs.  That makes sense as I see more soft-shelled eggs in the
summer from my outside girls.  The Nekton MSA really helps.  Soft-shelled eggs
are dangerous because the shell seems to help the girls push out the eggs. 
Without the shell, the eggs get stuck inside more easily.  If the stuck egg goes
bad, it's the end of the road or a very large vet bill for your little girl. 
Soft shells are also a symptom for something more insidious - the girl doesn't
have enough calcium in her system, which may lead to weaker contractions to
expel the egg.

Ruth

--- In fallenchickens@yahoogroups.com, "Jane Beckman" <jilara@...> wrote:
>
> I'm worried about Bianca. She's around a year old, and despite my best efforts
to control her weight, has packed on an alarming 17 pounds. She's at least
normally an active hen, albeit a huge one with utterly enormous breasts. (My
boyfriend cartoons her as wearing a bra for her breasts!)
>
> She's never shown an inclination to lay. Until now. The past few days, she's
been sitting in the nest box for most of the day. And yesterday, I wasn't sure
if she was trying to die or trying to lay an egg, since I figure either one
could be manifesting. Let's just say she was La Maze breathing in the nest box.
I have started to get very concerned.
>
> Well, today, she came out of the next box, and ran around for a while in the
run. But then she went into the corner with some straw and started the breathing
routine again. And then she squirted out orange and albuminous liquid, which
looked for all the world like raw scrambled eggs, which is exactly what I assume
it was. Shell-less egg? What the...???  She gets laying feed, and her fellow
hens go after the crushed roasted eggshells and oyster shell I give them, but I
haven't seen her show interest, though, given a chance, she will eat just about
anything else. She's just a little eating machine, as per her genetic design. I
suppose it's better than being eggbound, but I'm concerned.
>
> Wondering if anyone else has had a Cornish X with laying problems? Should I be
giving her something else, like yogurt? Will laying naked eggs hurt her? I'm
already not optimistic about her surviving the heat of summer, what with her
weight, but I keep trying to make her as comfortable as possible.
>

 

Hi Karen,

It seems Yahoo is having its gremlins again. Betty's Freedom Day was in April. Yes Betty passed away August 31, yesterday. She would be 6 next January. I was really hoping for a miracle.

I haven't gotten any emails from you in a long time. I wonder if yahoo decided it was all spam so I never saw any of it :( If you post here, I'll know when to go through my spam box.

How are you?

Ruth

--- In fallenchickens@yahoogroups.com, "peacefulcave" <peacefulcave@...> wrote:
>
> Ruth, I emailed you several times and didn't hear from you, so I was concerned. Does this mean your sweet Betty passed away? I'm assuming it does and if so, I am so very sorry for your loss. I know she meant so much to you and you were a great mom.
>
> Hugs,
>
> Karen
>
> --- In fallenchickens@yahoogroups.com, "r_in_ar" <r_in_ar@> wrote:
> >
> > Five years ago a sweet little girl was seen wandering by the side of a busy road in Hot Springs. . .
> >
> > Happy Happy Freedom Day to Betty!
> >
> > Ruth
> >
>

Hi Karen,

It seems Yahoo is having its gremlins again.  Betty's Freedom Day was in April. 
Yes Betty passed away August 31, yesterday.  She would be 6 next January.  I was
really hoping for a miracle.

I haven't gotten any emails from you in a long time.  I wonder if yahoo decided
it was all spam so I never saw any of it  :(  If you post here, I'll know when
to go through my spam box.

How are you?

Ruth

--- In fallenchickens@yahoogroups.com, "peacefulcave" <peacefulcave@...> wrote:
>
> Ruth, I emailed you several times and didn't hear from you, so I was
concerned.  Does this mean your sweet Betty passed away?  I'm assuming it does
and if so, I am so very sorry for your loss.  I know she meant so much to you
and you were a great mom.
>
> Hugs,
>
> Karen
>
> --- In fallenchickens@yahoogroups.com, "r_in_ar" <r_in_ar@> wrote:
> >
> > Five years ago a sweet little girl was seen wandering by the side of a busy
road in Hot Springs.  .  .
> >
> > Happy Happy Freedom Day to Betty!
> >
> > Ruth
> >
>

I'm worried about Bianca. She's around a year old, and despite my best efforts
to control her weight, has packed on an alarming 17 pounds. She's at least
normally an active hen, albeit a huge one with utterly enormous breasts. (My
boyfriend cartoons her as wearing a bra for her breasts!)

She's never shown an inclination to lay. Until now. The past few days, she's
been sitting in the nest box for most of the day. And yesterday, I wasn't sure
if she was trying to die or trying to lay an egg, since I figure either one
could be manifesting. Let's just say she was La Maze breathing in the nest box.
I have started to get very concerned.

Well, today, she came out of the next box, and ran around for a while in the
run. But then she went into the corner with some straw and started the breathing
routine again. And then she squirted out orange and albuminous liquid, which
looked for all the world like raw scrambled eggs, which is exactly what I assume
it was. Shell-less egg? What the...???  She gets laying feed, and her fellow
hens go after the crushed roasted eggshells and oyster shell I give them, but I
haven't seen her show interest, though, given a chance, she will eat just about
anything else. She's just a little eating machine, as per her genetic design. I
suppose it's better than being eggbound, but I'm concerned.

Wondering if anyone else has had a Cornish X with laying problems? Should I be
giving her something else, like yogurt? Will laying naked eggs hurt her? I'm
already not optimistic about her surviving the heat of summer, what with her
weight, but I keep trying to make her as comfortable as possible.

Dear Ruth,

I'm so sorry about you losing Betty.  I know you will miss her voice and her
sweet face, but take comfort in the fact that she knew she was loved by her
mistress.

Too many of us know of the pain you're going through, but you're not alone.
It doesn't help much, I know, but I do hope it helps a bit to know that
others feel for you and wish they could help.

Take good care and thank you for being such a caring person.  We need more
like you!

Sandy



-------Original Message-------

From: r_in_AR
Date: 08/31/09 22:24:37
To: fallenchickens@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [fallenchickens] Rest in peace, Betty Boop-Boop

My beautiful little girl passed away this afternoon. The last two months she
had been slowing down, and I could tell she hadn't been feeling very well.
Betty always talked to me, and this morning we had a long conversation, with
lots of soft little boop-boops from Betty. I think she knew it was her time
to go, and she was saying good-bye to me before I headed for work. I had to
work late today and got a call from my SO while I was driving home that
Betty was in a bad way. He was cradling her in his arms when I got home -
she had passed away not five minutes before I got home. At least I know she
didn't die alone, and she knew she was loved to the very end. Good-bye,
little princess. I will always love you.

Ruth

Happy Freedom Day, to all the Bettys everywhere!

sandy


--- In fallenchickens@yahoogroups.com, "r_in_ar" <r_in_ar@...> wrote:
>
> Five years ago a sweet little girl was seen wandering by the side of a busy
road in Hot Springs.  .  .
>
> Happy Happy Freedom Day to Betty!
>
> Ruth
>

Ruth, I emailed you several times and didn't hear from you, so I was concerned. 
Does this mean your sweet Betty passed away?  I'm assuming it does and if so, I
am so very sorry for your loss.  I know she meant so much to you and you were a
great mom.

Hugs,

Karen

--- In fallenchickens@yahoogroups.com, "r_in_ar" <r_in_ar@...> wrote:
>
> Five years ago a sweet little girl was seen wandering by the side of a busy
road in Hot Springs.  .  .
>
> Happy Happy Freedom Day to Betty!
>
> Ruth
>

Well, it would seem there were many factors at work, and my poor little
feathered T. Rex, Bianca, has passed to that great chicken run in the sky, where
I am sure she can eat all she wants and not have to suffer from weight gain. I
should probably have had a clue, as she hasn't been as enthusiastic over eating,
the past week.

She was the first to befriend our newest rescue chicken, a mixed heritage black
hen with feathery feet, who was found wandering in an urban neighborhood by
Animal Control. Bianca, ever amicable, got along with everyone.

She would have been just about a year old. Which, considering, isn't too bad. I
will toast her tonight with a bottle of Rex Goliath Zinfandel (named after the
47-lb Sideshow Rooster, ca 1908). It seems appropriate.

My beautiful little girl passed away this afternoon.  The last two months she
had been slowing down, and I could tell she hadn't been feeling very well. 
Betty always talked to me, and this morning we had a long conversation, with
lots of soft little boop-boops from Betty.  I think she knew it was her time to
go, and she was saying good-bye to me before I headed for work.  I had to work
late today and got a call from my SO while I was driving home that Betty was in
a bad way.  He was cradling her in his arms when I got home - she had passed
away not five minutes before I got home.  At least I know she didn't die alone,
and she knew she was loved to the very end.  Good-bye, little princess.  I will
always love you.

Ruth

Five years ago a sweet little girl was seen wandering by the side of a busy road
in Hot Springs.  .  .

Happy Happy Freedom Day to Betty!

Ruth

Hello Jo,

Corn will really pack the weight on.  It's essentially candy for chickens - high
on calories and low on nutrients.  My Betty does well on controlled portions of
laying pellets (about 17% protein) with veggies and fruit to add variety.  I've
been told by a vet not to give her any meat because that is too rich for her.  I
don't feed her with the other chickens because she will plant herself by the
feeder and eat until everything is gone.  Good luck!

Ruth


--- In fallenchickens@yahoogroups.com, smilesandjay@... wrote:
>
> Hi Everyone...
>
> If I remember rightly most of you have the broiler chickens.. The large
> white meat chickens.. We run a rescue in Norfolk, England.  Normally taking 
ex
> laying hens.  We are collecting this week 6 chickens that escaped a  broiler
> farm this week..
>
> Please give me a little information on them, what is the best thing to  feed
> them, I'm assuming I'll keep them to a minimum diet of Corn to keep their
> weight down.  They have large fields to roam, with 6 ft chain link fence  plus
> electric fencing.  Hopefully that will keep them exercised.
>
> Any other things I should know?
>
> Thanks...
>
> Jo
> _www.littlehenrescue.co.uk_ (http://www.littlehenrescue.co.uk/)
>

Ha!  That's hilarious!

Thanks for the laugh, Anita.  I hope you enjoy your time with your new
friend!

Sandy

-------Original Message-------

From: Anita Bingamon
Date: 3/6/2009 5:03:26 PM
To: fallenchickens@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [fallenchickens] Re: Where is everyone?

I was wondering why no posts were coming through, too. Probably most
everyone is busy with one thing or another.

I am fostering a six-year-old female imprinted Mallard for a family until
they can get a home of their own and keep all their pets, including this
duck. She is a real character, and really sweet. She lives up to her name of
Doo-Doo.

Anita B.

--- In fallenchickens@yahoogroups.com, "Sandy Kavanaugh" <henshaven@...>
wrote:
>
> Not everyone- I had wondered the same thing, but I don't really have
> anything to add.
>
> I'd like to hear some good news, though, so if you or anyone else has any,

> please send it along!
>
> Sandy
>
> -------Original Message-------
>
> From: peacefulcave
> Date: 3/5/2009 9:02:19 PM
> To: fallenchickens@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [fallenchickens] Where is everyone?
>
> I didn't know if I had been thrown off the list or what the heck was
> Happening. Last I heard, someone had a chicken who had been choking.
> That was a month ago. Where has everyone gone? Jessi, how is
> Freedom? Do you have any photos of her? Give her a rub on the head
> For old Karen.
>
> Ruth, where are you? Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa Everyone has deserted me!
>
> Karen
>

Well, glad to hear from  Sandy and Jane.  I hate being the only one here.  Glad
too that Jessi wrote me about Freedom, that she is outside with the other
chickens.  Of course, I worry about all chickens getting taken by a hawk or an
owl, but I know she is in good care with Jessi.  Also, hope you are feeling
better, Jessi!  Ruth wrote me, as well, so glad we are back to checking in.

Bianca sounds like she is a lot of fun to watch.  Aren't chickens great?!

Karen

--- In fallenchickens@yahoogroups.com, Jane Beckman <jilara@...> wrote:
>
> I know it sounds weird, but I'm just not on my computer as much, since I've
become unemployed, and when I am, it's a job search thing.
>  
> But if you'd like good news, Bianca is going on 10 months, and doing pretty
well. She's even doing the "hen squat" for me, the past couple weeks. Not that
I'm expecting eggs, with her rather ... bulky... weight. But who knows? She
makes wheezing noises every now and then, but I kind of expect that. She's my
little bit of comic relief, the T-Rex who wants to be a ballerina, with her
little tiny wings and huge breasts and thighs, ploughing through the compost
pile with her head, like a backhoe. We got a sun break from our rain, yesterday,
and she plopped down with wings outspread, trying to soak up sun, and managing
to look quite comical while doing so.
>  
> Jane
>
> --- On Thu, 3/5/09, Sandy Kavanaugh <henshaven@...> wrote:
>
> From: Sandy Kavanaugh <henshaven@...>
> Subject: Re: [fallenchickens] Where is everyone?
> To: fallenchickens@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Thursday, March 5, 2009, 8:06 PM
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Not everyone- I had wondered the same thing, but I don't really have
> anything to add.
>
> I'd like to hear some good news, though, so if you or anyone else has any,
> please send it along!
>
> Sandy
>
> -------Original Message----- --
>
> From: peacefulcave
> Date: 3/5/2009 9:02:19 PM
> To: fallenchickens@ yahoogroups. com
> Subject: [fallenchickens] Where is everyone?
>
> I didn't know if I had been thrown off the list or what the heck was
> Happening. Last I heard, someone had a chicken who had been choking.
> That was a month ago. Where has everyone gone? Jessi, how is
> Freedom? Do you have any photos of her? Give her a rub on the head
> For old Karen.
>
> Ruth, where are you? Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa a Everyone has deserted me!
>
> Karen
>

I was wondering why no posts were coming through, too.  Probably most everyone
is busy with one thing or another.

I am fostering a six-year-old female imprinted Mallard for a family until they
can get a home of their own and keep all their pets, including this duck.  She
is a real character, and really sweet.  She lives up to her name of Doo-Doo.

Anita B.


--- In fallenchickens@yahoogroups.com, "Sandy Kavanaugh" <henshaven@...> wrote:
>
> Not everyone- I had wondered the same thing, but I don't really have
> anything to add.
>
> I'd like to hear some good news, though, so if you or anyone else has any,
> please send it along!
>
> Sandy
>
> -------Original Message-------
>
> From: peacefulcave
> Date: 3/5/2009 9:02:19 PM
> To: fallenchickens@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [fallenchickens] Where is everyone?
>
> I didn't know if I had been thrown off the list or what the heck was
> Happening. Last I heard, someone had a chicken who had been choking.
> That was a month ago. Where has everyone gone? Jessi, how is
> Freedom? Do you have any photos of her? Give her a rub on the head
> For old Karen.
>
> Ruth, where are you? Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa Everyone has deserted me!
>
> Karen
>

Not everyone- I had wondered the same thing, but I don't really have
anything to add.

I'd like to hear some good news, though, so if you or anyone else has any,
please send it along!

Sandy

-------Original Message-------

From: peacefulcave
Date: 3/5/2009 9:02:19 PM
To: fallenchickens@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [fallenchickens] Where is everyone?

I didn't know if I had been thrown off the list or what the heck was
Happening. Last I heard, someone had a chicken who had been choking.
That was a month ago. Where has everyone gone? Jessi, how is
Freedom? Do you have any photos of her? Give her a rub on the head
For old Karen.

Ruth, where are you? Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa Everyone has deserted me!

Karen

I didn't know if I had been thrown off the list or what the heck was
happening.  Last I heard, someone had a chicken who had been choking.
That was a month ago.  Where has everyone gone?  Jessi, how is
Freedom?  Do you have any photos of her?  Give her a rub on the head
for old Karen.

Ruth, where are you?  Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa  Everyone has deserted me!

Karen

She hasn't started wearing the diapers yet but when she fills out a
bit she will. We just follow her around with paper towels LoL. Luckily
everything has been firm so far :-P
~Jessi


--- In fallenchickens@yahoogroups.com, "peacefulcave"
<peacefulcave@...> wrote:
>
> Jessi, does she wear diapers, like the ones Ruth sells?
>
> Yes, she really is a people chicken.  When she was so bloody and
> hurting, she would mostly drink and eat, if I would rub her head and
> talk to her.  I'm sure she's never had kindness before, but she was
> so hungry for someone to be nice to her...so sad.
>
> I am very happy that she has a new loving Mom!  Thanks again, Jessi.
>
> Karen
>
> --- In fallenchickens@yahoogroups.com, "Jessi"
> <the_pumpkin_queen777@> wrote:
> >
> > She is inside but has a nice hot pink 'house' she lives in, in the
> > living room as well. When we are home she roams about (which
> is 'out')
> > and harasses us and the dogs. She is definately a people chicken!
> > Only 2 others out of all the others we have cared for have really
> > been happy to see people so its nice to see that they aren't all
> > afraid of humans.
> > Thank you so much for saving her!
> > ~Jessi
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In fallenchickens@yahoogroups.com, "peacefulcave"
> > <peacefulcave@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Thanks, Jessi.
> > >
> > > So Freedom is inside, but also goes outside?  Is she inside at
> > > night?  (Just worry about predators.)
> > >
> > > I am so glad you like her.  I think she is a very sweet little
> girl
> > > and so lucky to be alive, not to mention, being adopted by a kind
> > > lady!
> > >
> > > Please keep me posted.  Thank you so very much for taking her in.
> > >
> > > Karen
> > >
> > > --- In fallenchickens@yahoogroups.com, "Jessi"
> > > <the_pumpkin_queen777@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Sorry it has taken me sooo long to get around to posting. I do
> > > > marketing for a casino so I am usually kept pretty busy!
> > > >
> > > > We picked Freedom up from Ruth last Saturday in hopes of having
> > her
> > > > and Baby Lou pair up as buddies but dear Miss Baby Lou didn't
> > care
> > > too
> > > > much for Freedom so she is going solo in the living room. She
> > spent
> > > > most of the first day laying on me on the couch, or jumping
> from
> > the
> > > > floor to the couch or vice versa. She is so sweet and not
> > demanding
> > > > like the other house chickens.LoL She runs to us when she is
> out
> > and
> > > > tries to play chase with the puppies, which is pretty funny
> until
> > > she
> > > > tries to peck them and then they look at us like Godzilla is
> > > attacking.
> > > >
> > > > I will try to post some pix up soon. She is a delight to have
> > with
> > > us :-)
> > > > ~Jessi
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In fallenchickens@yahoogroups.com, "peacefulcave"
> > > > <peacefulcave@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi.  I am Karen.  I moved to AR about 7 months ago.  I have
> > found
> > > 2
> > > > > chickens, thus far, who have fallen from those trucks.  The
> > first
> > > was
> > > > > too injured to save.  I found the second one about a week
> ago.
> > I
> > > > > called her Freedom.  The truck passed me, speeding like crazy
> > and
> > > > > then I saw her in the middle of Hwy 7, bloody and scared.  No
> > one
> > > > > stopped.  I turned around, threw a coat over her to still and
> > > calm
> > > > > her and took her home.  I treated her wounds and talked to
> her,
> > > > > bought her 100# of food and gave her my bathroom.  I have 17
> > > animals,
> > > > > (16 were rescues) and I have not even been able to get
> unpacked
> > > from
> > > > > the move.  I have no friends or relatives in this state.  I
> > > called my
> > > > > vet and they told me of a wonderful woman, named Ruth, who
> also
> > > cares
> > > > > for these sweet little creatures.  She and her friend met me
> > > tonight
> > > > > to take little Freedom until she can be placed.  I feel so
> sad
> > to
> > > > > have to part with her, but I have 13 cats, 3 dogs and a sugar
> > > > > glider.  I have no coop or anything and it is too cold to put
> > her
> > > > > outside anyway.  My heart breaks to think of the cruel way
> that
> > > these
> > > > > chickens are treated...kept in small cages (it was hard to
> even
> > > get
> > > > > her to try to move about as she knew nothing of freedom),
> > loaded
> > > on
> > > > > trucks in freezing cold and rain and then "allowed" to let
> > cages
> > > > > swing open to sling them to horrible injuries and death.
> What
> > > kind
> > > > > of a world is this that we allow such treatment of
> animals???
> > I
> > > > > haven't had a chicken since I was 6 yrs old and I am nearly
> 60,
> > > so I
> > > > > wasn't sure what to expect.  She was sweet and good...never
> > > pecked at
> > > > > me, even in her pain and "talked" to me when I would stroke
> her
> > > head
> > > > > and talk softly to her.  She even ate better when I was with
> > > her.  I
> > > > > don't know what can be done to change the way these little
> ones
> > > are
> > > > > treated, but I am mad as I can be and willing to write
> letters,
> > > make
> > > > > calls, form a petition...whatever can be legally done to
> change
> > > > > things.  As for Freedom, I pray she gets a loving home, stays
> > > warm
> > > > > and protected and lives a long life.  P.S.  She loves looking
> > in
> > > the
> > > > > mirror and talking to herself.  God bless all of you for
> caring.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

Adding the oil will cause some diarrhea so be prepared LoL But if his
crop isn't impacted (hard and not emptying between meals) then it
isn't necessary. A bit of olive oil on a few pasta noodles is a good
way to add some healthy oils to their diet regularly.
~Jessi


--- In fallenchickens@yahoogroups.com, Gail M <gailsm65@...> wrote:
>
> Also, PoultryHelp.com recommends using mineral oil to assist with
impacted crop. Any thoughts on this?  I do check him periodically to
make sure the crop is empty in the morning, or that it is soft at
other times. Obviously prevention is the best method but we know that
does not always work.
>
> Gail
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Jessi <the_pumpkin_queen777@...>
> To: fallenchickens@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 1:41:17 AM
> Subject: [fallenchickens] Re: Choking on food - how to prevent and
what to do when it happens
>
>
> Since these guys are voracious eaters, which we all know, sometimes
> just the sheer amt. of food they are trying to gulp down causes a
> problem. Have you tried making a mash for June? so its a bit easier
> for him to swallow his food? Theres no real way to make them slow
> down, especially if he is on a regulated amt. of food like most of
> our birds but if his food is more like a wet paste it would make it
> easier for him to get down. What are you feeding him and is it
> pellets or crumbles? You can add some pureed fruits or veggies to him
> food to soften it up a bit as well but the added benefit of something
> fresh would help him digest a bit better, just use the fresh stuff
> sparingly at first if he's not used to it.
> Let me know how it goes :-)
> ~Jessi
>
> --- In fallenchickens@ yahoogroups. com, "peacefulcave"
> <peacefulcave@ ...> wrote:
> >
> > Gail, I never raised chickens, but my parents did. I called my
> > mother and asked her about this. She said that sometimes the
> > chickens would get something caught in their "craw" and that (in
> > the "old" days), they would have to make a small slit in the "craw"
> > to get whatever it was out and sew it back up. She said usually it
> > was something like those little sticker balls, from weeds? I don't
> > recommend doing anything like that to June; however, it would seem
> > that a vet, familiar with chickens, should be able to find out if
> > there is something stuck in there.
> >
> > I don't know, but hope that helps. I can only imagine how scared
> you
> > were and also how scared June was.
> >
> > Karen
> >
> > --- In fallenchickens@ yahoogroups. com, "Gail" <gailsm65@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I'll begin by saying 'June' is ok now, but I lost him for a
> moment
> > > this morning. I'd like ideas or suggestions on how to prevent
> > > choking on food, and if it happens what else I can do to help.
> > >
> > > June is my broiler rooster and has always had a tendency to
> gobble
> > > down his feed since I had him at 3 months. Occasionally choking
> on
> > a
> > > pellet, coughing or taking water until it dislodged, and then
> > resume
> > > feeding as if nothing happened.
> > >
> > > This morning was different. He coughed, he gasped for air,
> > stretching
> > > his neck, until he stopped. I supported his weight to keep him
> from
> > > falling down and breaking a leg. (He's a 16lb rooster). He was
> > losing
> > > conciousness and then for a second would gasp deeply, flap his
> > wings
> > > and jump up. Then he was down again. He did this 2 or 3 times
> until
> > > he finally lost conciousness and his head slumped down
> completely.
> > It
> > > all happened so fast.
> > >
> > > I lifted his body and shook him to try to dislodge it.. There was
> > > nothing in his mouth or throat to remove. I was afraid to give
> CPR
> > > thinking I would push the pellet down further. There was no time
> to
> > > call for help or take him to the vet. I could not hear or feel
> any
> > > breath at all, so I did breath in to his mouth 2 or 3 times but
> > > probably not correctly as I was beginning to panic. I was
> massaging
> > > underneath and around his chest area, I guess to keep the blood
> > > circulating.
> > >
> > > Through all this he finally began to breath again, barely, but
> was
> > > regaining conciousness. I continued to support and calm him and
> > > eventually he was back to normal.
> > >
> > > So what can I do to prevent the gobbling of food and choking?
> > > If his airway becomes completely blocked as it did, what else can
> I
> > > do to help, or what should I maybe not have done?
> > > Has anyone else experienced this? or any portion thereof?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Gail
> > >
> >
>

UPC is great! We have several links to them on the group.
~Jessi





--- In fallenchickens@yahoogroups.com, "peacefulcave"
<peacefulcave@...> wrote:
>
> This seems to be a good site:
>
> http://www.upc-online.org/chickens/propercare.htm
>
> Karen
>
> --- In fallenchickens@yahoogroups.com, "Jessi"
> <the_pumpkin_queen777@> wrote:
> >
> > Since these guys are voracious eaters, which we all know, sometimes
> > just the sheer amt. of food they are trying to gulp down causes a
> > problem. Have you tried making a mash for June? so its a bit easier
> > for him to swallow his food? Theres no real way to make them slow
> > down, especially if he is on a regulated amt. of food like most of
> > our birds but if his food is more like a wet paste it would make it
> > easier for him to get down. What are you feeding him and is it
> > pellets or crumbles? You can add some pureed fruits or veggies to
> him
> > food to soften it up a bit as well but the added benefit of
> something
> > fresh would help him digest a bit better, just use the fresh stuff
> > sparingly at first if he's not used to it.
> > Let me know how it goes :-)
> > ~Jessi
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In fallenchickens@yahoogroups.com, "peacefulcave"
> > <peacefulcave@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Gail, I never raised chickens, but my parents did.  I called my
> > > mother and asked her about this.  She said that sometimes the
> > > chickens would get something caught in their "craw" and that (in
> > > the "old" days), they would have to make a small slit in
> the "craw"
> > > to get whatever it was out and sew it back up.  She said usually
> it
> > > was something like those little sticker balls, from weeds?  I
> don't
> > > recommend doing anything like that to June; however, it would
> seem
> > > that a vet, familiar with chickens, should be able to find out if
> > > there is something stuck in there.
> > >
> > > I don't know, but hope that helps.  I can only imagine how scared
> > you
> > > were and also how scared June was.
> > >
> > > Karen
> > >
> > > --- In fallenchickens@yahoogroups.com, "Gail" <gailsm65@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I'll begin by saying 'June' is ok now, but I lost him for a
> > moment
> > > > this morning.  I'd like ideas or suggestions on how to prevent
> > > > choking on food, and if it happens what else I can do to help.
> > > >
> > > > June is my broiler rooster and has always had a tendency to
> > gobble
> > > > down his feed since I had him at 3 months. Occasionally choking
> > on
> > > a
> > > > pellet, coughing or taking water until it dislodged, and then
> > > resume
> > > > feeding as if nothing happened.
> > > >
> > > > This morning was different. He coughed, he gasped for air,
> > > stretching
> > > > his neck, until he stopped. I supported his weight to keep him
> > from
> > > > falling down and breaking a leg. (He's a 16lb rooster). He was
> > > losing
> > > > conciousness and then for a second would gasp deeply, flap his
> > > wings
> > > > and jump up. Then he was down again. He did this 2 or 3 times
> > until
> > > > he finally lost conciousness and his head slumped down
> > completely.
> > > It
> > > > all happened so fast.
> > > >
> > > > I lifted his body and shook him to try to dislodge it. There
> was
> > > > nothing in his mouth or throat to remove. I was afraid to give
> > CPR
> > > > thinking I would push the pellet down further. There was no
> time
> > to
> > > > call for help or take him to the vet. I could not hear or feel
> > any
> > > > breath at all, so I did breath in to his mouth 2 or 3 times but
> > > > probably not correctly as I was beginning to panic. I was
> > massaging
> > > > underneath and around his chest area, I guess to keep the blood
> > > > circulating.
> > > >
> > > > Through all this he finally began to breath again, barely, but
> > was
> > > > regaining conciousness. I continued to support and calm him and
> > > > eventually he was back to normal.
> > > >
> > > > So what can I do to prevent the gobbling of food and choking?
> > > > If his airway becomes completely blocked as it did, what else
> can
> > I
> > > > do to help, or what should I maybe not have done?
> > > > Has anyone else experienced this? or any portion thereof?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Gail
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

Since they are bred to be eating machines, the more they eat the more
meat they produce, he was no doubt ready for dinner when you came home
and when he saw you putting food in he probably was wanting the food
so much that he got your hand instead. I know that has happened here
more than once! Thats why when they are on regulated diets its good to
suppliment with other things like fruits (sparingly) and veggies- I
know that Bob just LOVED his peas and carrots! That way they are still
getting food its just not as likely to cause weight gain.
I am sure June will find his grape mash quite tasty and love you for
it :-) What brand of food are you feeding and what % protein?
~Jessi







--- In fallenchickens@yahoogroups.com, Gail M <gailsm65@...> wrote:
>
> Jessi,
> Refer to my response to Karen.  Everything you say makes sense and
seems right on the money.
>
> He is not on a regulated amount. He free feeds pretty much. I tried
regulating his food earlier, I believe it was on your suggestion if I
recall. But the small amounts seemed to make him hungrier or rather
just wanting the food more. I would leave about a cup in the morning
when I went to work. Don't know how long it took for him to consume.
But when I returned 10 hrs later, he was clearly aggitated. I would
refill his food and he became nippy, instead of just eating.
>
> Was he angry at me? Or was he just so quick to grab the food he
would grab at my hand instead? I think he was angry. So I stopped
restricting his food as I was mostly concerned he might become
aggitated during the day and nip at my duck and cause injury. And
Quaker the duck is already disabled, and no more than 2 lbs. No
competition there.
>
> When he was last seen by the vet, doctor said he was not overweight,
but was just a large bird. Or rather had a large frame. So I will try
turning some of the pellets into a mash beginning with the grapes that
he likes. Maybe this way I can get him to begin eating more of a
variety again.
>
> Thank you.
> Gail
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Jessi <the_pumpkin_queen777@...>
> To: fallenchickens@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 1:41:17 AM
> Subject: [fallenchickens] Re: Choking on food - how to prevent and
what to do when it happens
>
>
> Since these guys are voracious eaters, which we all know, sometimes
> just the sheer amt. of food they are trying to gulp down causes a
> problem. Have you tried making a mash for June? so its a bit easier
> for him to swallow his food? Theres no real way to make them slow
> down, especially if he is on a regulated amt. of food like most of
> our birds but if his food is more like a wet paste it would make it
> easier for him to get down. What are you feeding him and is it
> pellets or crumbles? You can add some pureed fruits or veggies to him
> food to soften it up a bit as well but the added benefit of something
> fresh would help him digest a bit better, just use the fresh stuff
> sparingly at first if he's not used to it.
> Let me know how it goes :-)
> ~Jessi
>
> --- In fallenchickens@ yahoogroups. com, "peacefulcave"
> <peacefulcave@ ...> wrote:
> >
> > Gail, I never raised chickens, but my parents did. I called my
> > mother and asked her about this. She said that sometimes the
> > chickens would get something caught in their "craw" and that (in
> > the "old" days), they would have to make a small slit in the "craw"
> > to get whatever it was out and sew it back up. She said usually it
> > was something like those little sticker balls, from weeds? I don't
> > recommend doing anything like that to June; however, it would seem
> > that a vet, familiar with chickens, should be able to find out if
> > there is something stuck in there.
> >
> > I don't know, but hope that helps. I can only imagine how scared
> you
> > were and also how scared June was.
> >
> > Karen
> >
> > --- In fallenchickens@ yahoogroups. com, "Gail" <gailsm65@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I'll begin by saying 'June' is ok now, but I lost him for a
> moment
> > > this morning. I'd like ideas or suggestions on how to prevent
> > > choking on food, and if it happens what else I can do to help.
> > >
> > > June is my broiler rooster and has always had a tendency to
> gobble
> > > down his feed since I had him at 3 months. Occasionally choking
> on
> > a
> > > pellet, coughing or taking water until it dislodged, and then
> > resume
> > > feeding as if nothing happened.
> > >
> > > This morning was different. He coughed, he gasped for air,
> > stretching
> > > his neck, until he stopped. I supported his weight to keep him
> from
> > > falling down and breaking a leg. (He's a 16lb rooster). He was
> > losing
> > > conciousness and then for a second would gasp deeply, flap his
> > wings
> > > and jump up. Then he was down again. He did this 2 or 3 times
> until
> > > he finally lost conciousness and his head slumped down
> completely.
> > It
> > > all happened so fast.
> > >
> > > I lifted his body and shook him to try to dislodge it. There was
> > > nothing in his mouth or throat to remove. I was afraid to give
> CPR
> > > thinking I would push the pellet down further. There was no time
> to
> > > call for help or take him to the vet. I could not hear or feel
> any
> > > breath at all, so I did breath in to his mouth 2 or 3 times but
> > > probably not correctly as I was beginning to panic. I was
> massaging
> > > underneath and around his chest area, I guess to keep the blood
> > > circulating.
> > >
> > > Through all this he finally began to breath again, barely, but
> was
> > > regaining conciousness. I continued to support and calm him and
> > > eventually he was back to normal.
> > >
> > > So what can I do to prevent the gobbling of food and choking?
> > > If his airway becomes completely blocked as it did, what else can
> I
> > > do to help, or what should I maybe not have done?
> > > Has anyone else experienced this? or any portion thereof?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Gail
> > >
> >
>

Jessi, does she wear diapers, like the ones Ruth sells?

Yes, she really is a people chicken.  When she was so bloody and
hurting, she would mostly drink and eat, if I would rub her head and
talk to her.  I'm sure she's never had kindness before, but she was
so hungry for someone to be nice to her...so sad.

I am very happy that she has a new loving Mom!  Thanks again, Jessi.

Karen

--- In fallenchickens@yahoogroups.com, "Jessi"
<the_pumpkin_queen777@...> wrote:
>
> She is inside but has a nice hot pink 'house' she lives in, in the
> living room as well. When we are home she roams about (which
is 'out')
> and harasses us and the dogs. She is definately a people chicken!
> Only 2 others out of all the others we have cared for have really
> been happy to see people so its nice to see that they aren't all
> afraid of humans.
> Thank you so much for saving her!
> ~Jessi
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In fallenchickens@yahoogroups.com, "peacefulcave"
> <peacefulcave@> wrote:
> >
> > Thanks, Jessi.
> >
> > So Freedom is inside, but also goes outside?  Is she inside at
> > night?  (Just worry about predators.)
> >
> > I am so glad you like her.  I think she is a very sweet little
girl
> > and so lucky to be alive, not to mention, being adopted by a kind
> > lady!
> >
> > Please keep me posted.  Thank you so very much for taking her in.
> >
> > Karen
> >
> > --- In fallenchickens@yahoogroups.com, "Jessi"
> > <the_pumpkin_queen777@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Sorry it has taken me sooo long to get around to posting. I do
> > > marketing for a casino so I am usually kept pretty busy!
> > >
> > > We picked Freedom up from Ruth last Saturday in hopes of having
> her
> > > and Baby Lou pair up as buddies but dear Miss Baby Lou didn't
> care
> > too
> > > much for Freedom so she is going solo in the living room. She
> spent
> > > most of the first day laying on me on the couch, or jumping
from
> the
> > > floor to the couch or vice versa. She is so sweet and not
> demanding
> > > like the other house chickens.LoL She runs to us when she is
out
> and
> > > tries to play chase with the puppies, which is pretty funny
until
> > she
> > > tries to peck them and then they look at us like Godzilla is
> > attacking.
> > >
> > > I will try to post some pix up soon. She is a delight to have
> with
> > us :-)
> > > ~Jessi
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In fallenchickens@yahoogroups.com, "peacefulcave"
> > > <peacefulcave@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi.  I am Karen.  I moved to AR about 7 months ago.  I have
> found
> > 2
> > > > chickens, thus far, who have fallen from those trucks.  The
> first
> > was
> > > > too injured to save.  I found the second one about a week
ago.
> I
> > > > called her Freedom.  The truck passed me, speeding like crazy
> and
> > > > then I saw her in the middle of Hwy 7, bloody and scared.  No
> one
> > > > stopped.  I turned around, threw a coat over her to still and
> > calm
> > > > her and took her home.  I treated her wounds and talked to
her,
> > > > bought her 100# of food and gave her my bathroom.  I have 17
> > animals,
> > > > (16 were rescues) and I have not even been able to get
unpacked
> > from
> > > > the move.  I have no friends or relatives in this state.  I
> > called my
> > > > vet and they told me of a wonderful woman, named Ruth, who
also
> > cares
> > > > for these sweet little creatures.  She and her friend met me
> > tonight
> > > > to take little Freedom until she can be placed.  I feel so
sad
> to
> > > > have to part with her, but I have 13 cats, 3 dogs and a sugar
> > > > glider.  I have no coop or anything and it is too cold to put
> her
> > > > outside anyway.  My heart breaks to think of the cruel way
that
> > these
> > > > chickens are treated...kept in small cages (it was hard to
even
> > get
> > > > her to try to move about as she knew nothing of freedom),
> loaded
> > on
> > > > trucks in freezing cold and rain and then "allowed" to let
> cages
> > > > swing open to sling them to horrible injuries and death.
What
> > kind
> > > > of a world is this that we allow such treatment of
animals???
> I
> > > > haven't had a chicken since I was 6 yrs old and I am nearly
60,
> > so I
> > > > wasn't sure what to expect.  She was sweet and good...never
> > pecked at
> > > > me, even in her pain and "talked" to me when I would stroke
her
> > head
> > > > and talk softly to her.  She even ate better when I was with
> > her.  I
> > > > don't know what can be done to change the way these little
ones
> > are
> > > > treated, but I am mad as I can be and willing to write
letters,
> > make
> > > > calls, form a petition...whatever can be legally done to
change
> > > > things.  As for Freedom, I pray she gets a loving home, stays
> > warm
> > > > and protected and lives a long life.  P.S.  She loves looking
> in
> > the
> > > > mirror and talking to herself.  God bless all of you for
caring.
> > > >
> > >
> >
>