Hi Shannon,

Have you tried something called "Feline Greenies Pill Pockets"? My vet sells
them at her clinic - they are salmon or chicken flavored pocket-shaped cat
treats specfically designed to hide medications. You supposedly give your kitty
a couple of treats at a time - one with the pill hidden inside and one without.
The whole "treat" idea gets a big thumbs down from Chloe, but maybe Fozzy would
be more receptive.

Hope this might help,
Suzanne and Chloe



--- In feline-heart@yahoogroups.com, Shannon Gormley <gustysg1974@...> wrote:
>
> Thanks for the replies. My problem with Fozzy is not that of getting a pill
down her throat - it is a problem of actually catching her in order to pill her.
She was a feral when I took her in, so she has to approach you of her own
volition, even to be pet. There is no walking up to her to pet, pill, brush her
etc. If she is approached without her express approval, she will run and hide.
That's why we did the I-131 for her thyroid. I will keep trying to find
something that she will eat in order to get enough of the pill in her. Thanks
again for the input.
>  
> Shannon
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

I've been using them very successfully.

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 28, 2012, at 1:31 PM, "zan200" <zan200@...> wrote:

> Hi Shannon,
>
> Have you tried something called "Feline Greenies Pill Pockets"? My vet sells
them at her clinic - they are salmon or chicken flavored pocket-shaped cat
treats specfically designed to hide medications. You supposedly give your kitty
a couple of treats at a time - one with the pill hidden inside and one without.
The whole "treat" idea gets a big thumbs down from Chloe, but maybe Fozzy would
be more receptive.
>
> Hope this might help,
> Suzanne and Chloe
>
> --- In feline-heart@yahoogroups.com, Shannon Gormley <gustysg1974@...> wrote:
> >
> > Thanks for the replies. My problem with Fozzy is not that of getting a pill
down her throat - it is a problem of actually catching her in order to pill her.
She was a feral when I took her in, so she has to approach you of her own
volition, even to be pet. There is no walking up to her to pet, pill, brush her
etc. If she is approached without her express approval, she will run and hide.
That's why we did the I-131 for her thyroid. I will keep trying to find
something that she will eat in order to get enough of the pill in her. Thanks
again for the input.
> >
> > Shannon
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>


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I have had success with both feral and domestic cats with pill pockets and the
"treat" concept.  Whenever we have gotten a new kitten, we start training them
from day one to look forward to their nightly treats.  Then if we ever have to
give a cat medicine in the future, the whole process is usually facilitated
because we can do so via pill pockets intermingled with treats.  We have one
epileptic cat, Hamlet, who comes and reminds of nightly that it is "treat time".
He looks forward to getting his phenobarbital pill in the pill pocket.  This
makes it easier for pet sitters too.  It doesn't work with every cat because
there is always "that one"  who doesn't like the taste of a pill pocket.  I can
honestly say it has worked with 95% of our animals - both domestic and feral.

I have great success too especially the salmon as they are softer and easier to
mold around the pill.  I only use half... just enough to wrap the pill without a
lot of extra, and attach Boo's favorite crunchy treat to the outside. She
gobbles them down and begs me for more every time I am in the kitchen.  She
loves her "pill treats".

Laurie


--- On Wed, 11/28/12, Judi Levens <casaobelisco@...> wrote:

From: Judi Levens <casaobelisco@...>
Subject: Re: [FH] Pill Pockets
To: "zan200" <zan200@...>
Cc: "feline-heart@yahoogroups.com" <feline-heart@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Wednesday, November 28, 2012, 4:45 PM
















 









       I've been using them very successfully.



Sent from my iPhone



On Nov 28, 2012, at 1:31 PM, "zan200" <zan200@...> wrote:



> Hi Shannon,

>

> Have you tried something called "Feline Greenies Pill Pockets"? My vet sells
them at her clinic - they are salmon or chicken flavored pocket-shaped cat
treats specfically designed to hide medications. You supposedly give your kitty
a couple of treats at a time - one with the pill hidden inside and one without.
The whole "treat" idea gets a big thumbs down from Chloe, but maybe Fozzy would
be more receptive.

>

> Hope this might help,

> Suzanne and Chloe

>

> --- In feline-heart@yahoogroups.com, Shannon Gormley <gustysg1974@...> wrote:

> >

> > Thanks for the replies. My problem with Fozzy is not that of getting a pill
down her throat - it is a problem of actually catching her in order to pill her.
She was a feral when I took her in, so she has to approach you of her own
volition, even to be pet. There is no walking up to her to pet, pill, brush her
etc. If she is approached without her express approval, she will run and hide.
That's why we did the I-131 for her thyroid. I will keep trying to find
something that she will eat in order to get enough of the pill in her. Thanks
again for the input.

> >

> > Shannon

> >

















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Happy Birthday Martha!!   May you have 10 more.

Love and kitty kisses,
Jordan, Sheba and Cameo


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I wanted to thank everyone for their messages.  Unfortunately I just could not
respond to each one individually.  I know that everyone understands.

This type of group is so important. We need somewhere to go and this is it. 
Everyone has been extremely supportive and helpful in my short time here.

These things just suck but sometimes there is just nothing you can do.

Sometimes I wonder why these types of things keep happening to me.  I give my
kids the best food, health care and tons of attention.  One of my girls died of
FIP at 16 months.  Another girl did at 8.5 years old. She had IBD, Pancreatitis
and cancer. Nike had a major heart condition.  My vet reminded me that I cannot
control these things.  I gave them the best I could. The best I could give
couldn't fix or stop these things.  The only thing I could fix, I fixed. It was
when Nike had struvite crystals issues.

Kevin


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Hi Kevin.  We certainly understand your feelings.  I believe that each kitty God
entrusts us with is a life lesson.  Each of your special kitties has had a
different problem, just as all of mine have had different problems.  With each
kitty we learn more and more.  Then we can share these lessons with others, and
help them.  I hope you will stay on our list and share your experiences with
other people who are going through the same thing. Only people who have gone
through these things can truly understand. I stay on the diabetes list, even
though I lost my diabetic cat over 8 years ago, because I know I can help
others.

We know how much you loved Nike, and in return he gave you all his love
unconditionally. You need a new kitty or two to help heal your broken heart. 
Please visit a shelter and adopt a couple as soon as you can. They will do
wonders for you.  Any kitty would be so blessed to be yours, because you do take
such good care of them and give them all your love.

I've heard it said that God only gives handicapped children to very special
loving parents -- and so it might be with kitties too.  They need you, and you
need them.  Please let us know when you've saved a couple more precious little
lives --

Take care -- Michelle & Tigger Too in Toronto

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Hi Kevin

It's a good question, one I ask myself often. The answer is, you're
special. Heart kitties and other sick kitties choose their people carefully. 
Time
and again people come to this group and later adopt another kitty who has a
  heart murmur or other needs. These are the world's special needs kitties
who  need people who care and understand and are prepared to look beyond the
physical  surface of illness.

When you are ready, another kitty will enter your life, either by design or
  accident. It may be a poorly kitty, one who is scared or frightened or one
who  has given up hope of ever having a loved life. They keep turning up,
time and  again.

Everyone in this group is a special person, a kitty angel

:) Lyn

_www.myfurkids.co.uk_ (http://www.myfurkids.co.uk/)

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Martha chews her food, even canned. Every time she spots the pill and spits it
out. Any way to overcome this with pill pockets?

~~~~~~~~~~~~
Blessings,
Lynda, Martha, Morelli & Angel C.B.






















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Hi Lynda- I have had the same issue with a couple of my cats and the pill
pockets.  One now will not even go near a pill pocket.  I have tried 2 things
with success. 1.  I use Stella & Chewy's freeze dried food and squish the pill
into one.  They are very dry and crumbly so, you just have to try to split one
and put the pill in the middle and then put it back together.2.  Try using
freeze dried chicken and crumble it up on a cat can cover with the pill hidden
in the small pile of the freeze tried chicken.  I have also done this with the
Stella & Chewy's, but the freeze dried chicken works best. For bitter pills, I
just have to pill the kitties.  This is not too often thankfully. All cats are
different.  I do have one kitty that loves the pill pockets no matter what is in
them. Best Wishes,-Shiloh
  To: feline-heart@yahoogroups.com; kittykatwhiskas@...
From: ibdcat@...
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 05:22:23 -0800
Subject: Re: [FH] Pill Pockets


























       Martha chews her food, even canned. Every time she spots the pill and
spits it out. Any way to overcome this with pill pockets?



~~~~~~~~~~~~

Blessings,

Lynda, Martha, Morelli & Angel C.B.



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Absolutely, with pill pockets you are not putting it in her food. It is given to
her like you would any treat and she gobbles it down without realizing. Well
that is the hope anyway.

Laurie

--- On Thu, 11/29/12, Lynda Doty <ibdcat@...> wrote:

From: Lynda Doty <ibdcat@...>
Subject: Re: [FH] Pill Pockets
To: feline-heart@yahoogroups.com, "Laurie Stead" <kittykatwhiskas@...>
Date: Thursday, November 29, 2012, 8:22 AM
















 









       Martha chews her food, even canned. Every time she spots the pill and
spits it out. Any way to overcome this with pill pockets?



~~~~~~~~~~~~

Blessings,

Lynda, Martha, Morelli & Angel C.B.



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Very well said, Lyn.  This was just now posted on the fanciershealth list -- it
says the same thing in a different way.  The right kitties will find you Kevin
-- they need you and you need them -- you are very special.  Any kitty would be
blessed to have you to take care of him.

>>>>Excellent post Gesine! I totally agree with you. I adopted 2 kitties from
Animals of Angels in New Jersey. I am in California.
One cat has CH. (cerebellar Hypoplasia). He is blind and can not walk however he
does flip around to get to a place he wants to go. He tells me when he has to go
potty and I take him. I looked at it as- "Hey at least he is potty trained".
I adopted the second kitty as well from the same place and he has some kind of
Brain damage per MRI. He can not walk and has lots of neurology problems. He is
like a human person with CP. Both depend on me to hand feed them and take care
of their potty needs. I would not change having them as our family pets. They
are both very special. You are very correct on the cat will know your attitude.
Our CH. kitty will growl if I am in a stressful mood. He knows and tells me to
"knock it off".
This kind of work is not for everyone however I love what I am doing so it is
enjoyable.

Connie Walter
Sweetheaven Ragdolls

<<<<<<<






   ----- Original Message -----
   From: elfinmyst@...
   To: feline-heart@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 7:15 AM
   Subject: [FH] Re: Thank you



   Hi Kevin

   It's a good question, one I ask myself often. The answer is, you're
   special. Heart kitties and other sick kitties choose their people carefully.
Time
   and again people come to this group and later adopt another kitty who has a
   heart murmur or other needs. These are the world's special needs kitties
   who need people who care and understand and are prepared to look beyond the
   physical surface of illness.

   When you are ready, another kitty will enter your life, either by design or
   accident. It may be a poorly kitty, one who is scared or frightened or one
   who has given up hope of ever having a loved life. They keep turning up,
   time and again.

   Everyone in this group is a special person, a kitty angel

   :) Lyn

   _www.myfurkids.co.uk_ (http://www.myfurkids.co.uk/)

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Kevin,

A great question indeed.  And, the answer i have is the same as the others. 
Special need kitties FIND us for a reason.  They know they need a certain
someone who is going to care for them the way they need to be cared for.  I have
one such baby.

I'd like to share a story with you:

Anyone who knows me knows I have 4 legged daughters. I have been raised with
persian cats my whole life. The love of the breed came from my father who's
first cat was named Sheba.  A special needs little himalayan found her way to me
in December of 2005. Oddly, I had first seen her in October of 2005 on
Petfinder. But when I called to inquire about her the shelter told me she had
been picked up by a rescue. Helping Persians was that rescue and two months
later they INSISTED I meet a special little girl.

When I arrived, I discovered that this kitty was indeed the same kitty from 2
months before. So literally . . . Sheba FOUND me!!  And it was for good reason
too. Sheba knew she needed a Momma who would be totally devoted to her and her
health issues . . . which there are many. Sheba suffers from feline asthma, HCM
and more recently corneal ulcers.

But through it all, we have bonded and she is like no other kitty I have loved
before her.


I truly believe we love the special ones the most.    We love and care for them
through thick and thin, and I believe that are TOTALLY GRATEFUL.   So Kevin . . 
Niko and all the rest needed a very special daddy and that man was YOU!!    You
gave them what so many others would not.

My thoughts and prayers are with you that you while you mourn.   And I hope you
are soon ready for another fur baby.  There is another who needs you too.

Hugs and kitty kisses,
Jordan and Sheba


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Jordan,
What a heart warming story. I could tell a few but none as touching as this.
And yes Kevin you have been chosen as all of us here. Your true rewards come
when you leave this earth for your true home.
With affection,
Bill


 

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Beautiful story, Jordan.



  Marianna








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Lyn,

I am just thankful that he did not suffer.  He deserved better than that.  It is
hard to watch them decline.

Timber and Falana seem to be doing ok so far.  I know they are grieving in there
own way.



  I am not sure if I can do it again.  Losing FIla, Fendi and Nike so young is
just so hard to take.

You might be right. I just do know.

Kevin



-----Original Message-----
From: elfinmyst <elfinmyst@...>
To: feline-heart <feline-heart@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thu, Nov 29, 2012 7:15 am
Subject: [FH] Re: Thank you





Hi Kevin

It's a good question, one I ask myself often. The answer is, you're
special. Heart kitties and other sick kitties choose their people carefully. 
Time
and again people come to this group and later adopt another kitty who has a
  heart murmur or other needs. These are the world's special needs kitties
who  need people who care and understand and are prepared to look beyond the
physical  surface of illness.

When you are ready, another kitty will enter your life, either by design or
  accident. It may be a poorly kitty, one who is scared or frightened or one
who  has given up hope of ever having a loved life. They keep turning up,
time and  again.

Everyone in this group is a special person, a kitty angel

:) Lyn

_www.myfurkids.co.uk_ (http://www.myfurkids.co.uk/)

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Hi Michelle - I will be staying on the list. One of my girls had pancreatitis, I
stayed on the list after she died.  On occasion I remember enough to provide
suggestions or advice.

I have Timber and Falana.  They need me right now to help them through their
grieving process.

Kevin







-----Original Message-----
From: Westgold <westgold@...>
To: kpolone <kpolone@...>; feline-heart <feline-heart@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wed, Nov 28, 2012 9:42 pm
Subject: Re: [FH] Thank you


Hi Kevin.  We certainly understand your feelings.  I believe that each kitty God
entrusts us with is a life lesson.  Each of your special kitties has had a
different problem, just as all of mine have had different problems.  With each
kitty we learn more and more.  Then we can share these lessons with others, and
help them.  I hope you will stay on our list and share your experiences with
other people who are going through the same thing. Only people who have gone
through these things can truly understand. I stay on the diabetes list, even
though I lost my diabetic cat over 8 years ago, because I know I can help
others.

We know how much you loved Nike, and in return he gave you all his love
unconditionally. You need a new kitty or two to help heal your broken heart. 
Please visit a shelter and adopt a couple as soon as you can. They will do
wonders for you.  Any kitty would be so blessed to be yours, because you do take
such good care of them and give them all your love.

I've heard it said that God only gives handicapped children to very special
loving parents -- and so it might be with kitties too.  They need you, and you
need them.  Please let us know when you've saved a couple more precious little
lives --

Take care -- Michelle & Tigger Too in Toronto



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HELLO - SO GRATEFUL TO FIND THIS GROUP - THANKS TO MY CRF FRIENDS

BUDDIE is my kitty's name. One brother had Hypertrophic Cardiomyopathy with
renal failure and another brother has it successfully managed with Methimazole. 
Buddie and a sister had a couple echo's  until the cardiologist said they were
getting too old to worry much about their presenting with the disease themselves
and for financial reasos, we stopped the echo's .

Buddie's 13, was diagnosed with chronic renal failure 2.5 years ago and it's
been very well managed with fluids. When her vet saw indications of dehydration
based on blood work in late Sept, she raised her fluids from 70CC 2X/day to
100cc 2Xday. In an exam following a very brief first-time seizure 11/27, another
vet saw dehydration and ordered fluids at 150CC 2X/day for 3 days. After two
administrations, I took Buddie in for bloodwork and during cystocentesis, the
vet found pleural effustion.  11/29, exrays showed "moderate" fluid in the
cavity, and due to position of trachea (sitting parallel to sides), vet believes
B has an enlarged heart, though she cannot see the heart.

B's stable but nowhere near the BOUNCY, ENERGETIC, HIGHLY COMMUNICATIVE kitty I
saw before the seizure.  She is lying down all the time except for a trip to the
litter box.  Her breathing is easy, smooth, and the counts are averaging in the
30's

The plan right now is to STOP FLUIDS entirely and give her 1/2 Lasix  (12.5 mg)
every 12 hours.  She IS peeing and drinking . . .but still not eating.

I'm still wondering HARD if this effusion is due to a heart issue or the raised
fluids, 30% more twice a day beginning in late Sept and then the 150CC twice one
24 hour period this week.

FINANCES ARE VERY LIMITED now, but I'm considering Thoracocentesis.

IS THERE ANYONE OUT THERE WHO HAS HAD ANY SIMILAR EXPERIENCE OR WHO HAS AN
INFORMATION WHICH COULD HELP ME ADVOCATE FOR HER MOST EFFECTIVELY WITH THE VETS 
. . . who do not necessarily agree on what's going on.  (Live in a small
semi-rural area and do not have many to choose from.)

THORACOCENTIS????  One vet says it wouldn't bring much as there are so many
pocket of fluids and the most she ever gets is just over 350CC.  The other vet
says she gets more, even a liter.  At this point, I don't feel comfortable
subjecting Buddie to it . . . but could if she began to become more comfortable
herself  maybe feeling better once the lasix gives her some relief.

ANY HELP . . . ANY INFORMATION . . . ANYTHING . . . I'M OVERWHELMED  . . . and
definitely keeping the door open to euthanasia should Buddie show indications of
great distress.

Finally, one of the vets clearly feels it's time for euthanasia, and the other
one is not there.  I will NOT make the decision based upon what a vet says,
though.  It'll be Buddie who decides in the end.

DEEP, DEEP GRATITUDE FOR LISTENGING TO ALL OF THIS . . . OH, SO DEEP !

mb and buddie sue

Hi,again !  Forgot to mention this.

Buddie's very, very, very still. When she breathes now 28-32X/min), the fur
hardly moves.  I take that for a good sign, but do NOT KNOW it is.   Any
comments?

Am also wondering whether I should syringe feed to anything. I did so
successfully yesterday - just a little - and feel sure she'd eat, but IS IT
NECESSARY???  especially as she's resting so peacefully???

THANKS !
mb

Has anyone on here heard of salmon oil causing vomiting? I never have, but that
is the one thing that Morelli ate that was brand new in his little kingdom.
There are no added ingredients in it, just pure salmon oil.

~~~~~~~~~~~~
Blessings,
Lynda, Martha, Morelli & Angel C.B.


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Hi MB

It sounds very much as if Buddie has gone into heart failure due to excess
fluids. If her siblings had HCM there's a 50% chance she has it too. The
most  important consideration now is to get the fluid off her lungs and treat
the  heart failure and that is preferably by diuretic. She may need to have
a chest  tap, but the lasix may be able to control it as well.

Balancing heart and kidneys is not easy, but it is possible. The heart has
to come first, lasix does make the kidneys less efficient but once the
effusion  is dealt with it can be reduced dose. I`m sure someone here will be
able to help  you, but I`ve never had to give fluids and lasix at the same
time to any of my  cats.

If she is lying comfortably and not breathing over 30 at rest, she's
comfortable. Another drug to ask your vet about would be fortekor as that
supports both the heart and the kidneys. She likely needs something to help her
heart to become stable.

Lyn

_www.myfurkids.co.uk_ (http://www.myfurkids.co.uk/)

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I will write as the weekend is kinda slow. I have been there with 2
cats. Thorax. If they take the fluid off and it is milky or you can
test it. I am not real sure I read this looks like she has renal
problems but that it so far. 13 isnt that old by the way. My feral
baby we found out she had HCM at 12 and she lived to 17. I had one cat
with the renal and she made it a few years at 19. I have  a friend
whos cat is 20 and been giving her fluids for years so we are as young
as we act.

Cant they tell on an xray about the heart? Not too sure what I would
do. I have had my cats tapped for pleural effusion several times and
they were fine. They did it at the office and at the university
hospital. So I dont know about your country vet? First if she is
breathing that low thats good. Jaguar was at 60 and above and we did
it. For the pleural effusion you can get rutin at the health store
500mg and break it in half. I cant remember i think it was 1/2 pill am
and PM.  It saved both my cats. This is from Purdue University small
animal hospital. This os how we treated it. I had one live with it 6
yrs and another it went away. It is probably in some of older posts.

If it is fluid from the heart not working right then that isnt that
hard to tap. The lasix wont do much good for thorax. I would say they
got over loaded maybe she will get better and you could get a fast
chest xray to see if her heart is large. I had 4 siblings. 3 had hcm.
fist one died suddenly at 5 the second threw a clot and died. I had
the others tested. One had it and one had a great heart but got thorax
at 5 but lived tell about 10.

I think I would see how she gets. Watch that lasix. are you on the
renal group they are awesome. If the breathing is 3 thats great. Yes
they need to eat. So I would try to get something in her. Sometimes
they just wont eat then they start all of a sudden like us. You cant
wait too long as that can really be bad.

I hope I did not confuse you. It is true there is pockets of fluid if
it is true thorax but they can get some of it if she breathing
labored. Yes only she can tell you when its time. Sound like shes got
a way to go. Good luck Janie

Lyda,


I have not heard of this.   I give it to both my girls everyday with no issues.


Jordan and Sheba


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Well, almost one week tomorrow after the vet pulled that last piece of bone out
of his tooth socket (that we thought was creating the swelling) and the swelling
is still there. UGh. I put him back on his Buprenex yesterday.  He's STILL on
anti biotics, it's been 2 weeks again. He's ONLY eating blendered food with
water ( the consistency of thick water) which he's been on for about 3 months
now, no hard food.  I can't understand why I still have this swelling in the
Canine socket. Any ideas out there ? Other than that, it's another call / visit
to the vet AGAIN tomorrow.

Oreo needs an Xray...there will be no need to put him out for it. But the only
way you are going to know for sure what's going on with that area after
extraction is to get Xrays. So your next step is to get one or more.
Frustrating, I know. But you really don't have a choice. Good luck.




  Marianna




-----Original Message-----
From: Susan <jknsk2002@...>
To: feline-heart <feline-heart@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sun, Dec 2, 2012 6:43 pm
Subject: [FH] Oreo/ update/ roller coaster





Well, almost one week tomorrow after the vet pulled that last piece of bone out
of his tooth socket (that we thought was creating the swelling) and the swelling
is still there. UGh. I put him back on his Buprenex yesterday.  He's STILL on
anti biotics, it's been 2 weeks again. He's ONLY eating blendered food with
water ( the consistency of thick water) which he's been on for about 3 months
now, no hard food.  I can't understand why I still have this swelling in the
Canine socket. Any ideas out there ? Other than that, it's another call / visit
to the vet AGAIN tomorrow.









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Hello,
Would you say that if my cat Lili doesn't lie but remains in the chicken
position it could be a sign of beginning oedema, even if her respiration rate is
acceptable (27-30)?
I've been home in the morning and in the evening. Usually she lies on one side
and sleeps, but not today...

Thanks for your help,
Marie.


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Hi Marie

Yes, it can be, a cat entering heart failure often adopts the sphinx
position , sitting up and unable to lie down. I also find cats in pain will
adopt this position too. For a HCM cat it is a red flag and I would always check
  at the vets who can listen for crackles on the lungs.

Lyn

_www.myfurkids.co.uk_ (http://www.myfurkids.co.uk/)

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Is she acting okay otherwise... eating, drinking, using litter box, same
personality?

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From: Cont Marie <marievdbc@...>
To: "feline-heart@yahoogroups.com" <feline-heart@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Mon, Dec 3, 4:08 PM -0800
Subject: [FH] strange position

Hello,
Would you say that if my cat Lili doesn't lie but remains in the chicken
position it could be a sign of beginning oedema, even if her respiration rate is
acceptable (27-30)?
I've been home in the morning and in the evening. Usually she lies on one side
and sleeps, but not today...

Thanks for your help,
Marie.


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So, the vet said his mouth looks wonderful.  She showed me that where I kept
thinking it was swollen, it was in fact his gum line mixed with years of scar
tissue build up from that rotten tooth.  Since that was the "worse" side for so
long, it had  developed scar tissue and she showed me that he showed no
tenderness there and it was in fact "hard" as gums are. I guess I just thought
both sides should look the same, but the other Canine wasn't that bad for that
long, so it healed in a much more normal manner. She looked for mouth ulcers and
assured me there was no cancer in there.
She also said that the type of xrays he would need , if I go that route would
require going under anesthesia again, ? Because a film would have to go inside
his mouth as well as the xray machine on the outside just like people do & I
never thought of it that way.  But, I won't put him under again, it was just to
risky the first time.
She feels no need to do x rays and wants me to video tape the way he is eating
so she could "see" exactly what he is doing.  She is thinking he might just be
adjusting to the lack of teeth in his mouth and getting frustrated that the food
isn't staying in where it should as he is eating ???  So, she doesn't think he
is in pain, so much as it being awkward? I guess this is all a good thing and
maybe I just need to give him time ? I might be just rushing things a bit. Any
thoughts ?

Okay...with all this news I'd say you are rushing things. You are too anxious
'perhaps' for him to be well. He's been through so much. Poor Oreo, I think he
needs time. With so many teeth gone and the scar tissue to get use to...my oh my
the poor guy.
But you did say that you thought he was doing better since you began giving him
the Buprenex again, right? If so, I'd keep that up for now regardless of what
your vet thinks.





  Marianna




-----Original Message-----
From: Susan <jknsk2002@...>
To: feline-heart <feline-heart@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tue, Dec 4, 2012 12:00 am
Subject: [FH] Oreo update, vet visit......





So, the vet said his mouth looks wonderful.  She showed me that where I kept
thinking it was swollen, it was in fact his gum line mixed with years of scar
tissue build up from that rotten tooth.  Since that was the "worse" side for so
long, it had  developed scar tissue and she showed me that he showed no
tenderness there and it was in fact "hard" as gums are. I guess I just thought
both sides should look the same, but the other Canine wasn't that bad for that
long, so it healed in a much more normal manner. She looked for mouth ulcers and
assured me there was no cancer in there.
She also said that the type of xrays he would need , if I go that route would
require going under anesthesia again, ? Because a film would have to go inside
his mouth as well as the xray machine on the outside just like people do & I
never thought of it that way.  But, I won't put him under again, it was just to
risky the first time.
She feels no need to do x rays and wants me to video tape the way he is eating
so she could "see" exactly what he is doing.  She is thinking he might just be
adjusting to the lack of teeth in his mouth and getting frustrated that the food
isn't staying in where it should as he is eating ???  So, she doesn't think he
is in pain, so much as it being awkward? I guess this is all a good thing and
maybe I just need to give him time ? I might be just rushing things a bit. Any
thoughts ?









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