Thanks Anyes.  Any advice on the other questions?

On Sat, Nov 21, 2009 at 11:55 PM, Anyes <anyes@...> wrote:

>
>
> Giving claritin and cyproheptadine is overkill, as they are both
> anthihistamines. I would pick one or the other. Cypro stimulates
> appetite so maybe a good choice for now if you have access to it. Both
> meds together maybe making her very sleepy and lethargic. I would not
> do it.
> Anyes
>
> batsee wrote:
> > Terzi, and the other 7 cats in my household, have herpes. Terzi has
> residual nasal scarring and constant sneezing, daily. Normally this does not
> affect her at all.
> >
> > However, we've recently experienced a flare up in most of the cats. It is
> running through the household. Terzi is the worst, seems absolutely
> miserable.
> >
> > I just started giving her lysine again, and claritin, and cyproheptadine.
> I am also syringe feeding her twice daily, but may increase this because she
> is not interested in eating. She is very depressed.
> >
> > She doesn't have any infection. No green snot, no ulceration of the eyes.
> Just a lot of tearing, sneezing, wheezing (snoring).
> >
> > I have spent a bundle of money lately on a couple of cats and am really
> pressed for $$, so don't want to run to the vet unless I must. I think the
> lysine & claritin will kick in in a couple of days. But I am as miserable as
> she is, worrying about her.
> >
> > Is there anything else I can do? Should I worry? Has anybody else been
> this concerned, all for nothing? How long should I wait before I go to the
> vet? Do antivirals really help? I've used idoxuridine eyedrops before, with
> no apparent benefit. But, as I said, I don't think her eyes are an issue.
> >
> > I plan on getting some lysine to add to their food on a daily, ongoing
> basis. Does anybody else do this? Are there any side effects from too much
> lysine?
> >
> > Thanks for advice, encouragement, stories, ANYTHING.
> >
> > Betsy
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > http://eattheapple.com/kitty/ our kitty cats
> > http://www.thensome.com/pethealth.htm
> > http://www.thensome.com/herpes.htm
> > http://www.thensome.com/herpes.htm
> > http://www.thensome.com/felinehealthlinks.htmYahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>


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Giving claritin and cyproheptadine is overkill, as they are both
anthihistamines.  I would pick one or the other.  Cypro stimulates
appetite so maybe a good choice for now if you have access to it.  Both
meds together maybe making her very sleepy and lethargic.  I would not
do it.
Anyes

batsee wrote:
> Terzi, and the other 7 cats in my household, have herpes.  Terzi has residual
nasal scarring and constant sneezing, daily.  Normally this does not affect her
at all.
>
> However, we've recently experienced a flare up in most of the cats.  It is
running through the household.  Terzi is the worst, seems absolutely miserable.
>
> I just started giving her lysine again, and claritin, and cyproheptadine.  I
am also syringe feeding her twice daily, but may increase this because she is
not interested in eating.  She is very depressed.
>
> She doesn't have any infection.  No green snot, no ulceration of the eyes. 
Just a lot of tearing, sneezing, wheezing (snoring).
>
> I have spent a bundle of money lately on a couple of cats and am really
pressed for $$, so don't want to run to the vet unless I must.  I think the
lysine & claritin will kick in in a couple of days.  But I am as miserable as
she is, worrying about her.
>
> Is there anything else I can do?  Should I worry?  Has anybody else been this
concerned, all for nothing?  How long should I wait before I go to the vet?  Do
antivirals really help?  I've used idoxuridine eyedrops before, with no apparent
benefit.  But, as I said, I don't think her eyes are an issue.
>
> I plan on getting some lysine to add to their food on a daily, ongoing basis. 
Does anybody else do this?  Are there any side effects from too much lysine?
>
> Thanks for advice, encouragement, stories, ANYTHING.
>
> Betsy
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> http://eattheapple.com/kitty/ our kitty cats
> http://www.thensome.com/pethealth.htm
> http://www.thensome.com/herpes.htm
> http://www.thensome.com/herpes.htm
> http://www.thensome.com/felinehealthlinks.htmYahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>

Terzi, and the other 7 cats in my household, have herpes.  Terzi has residual
nasal scarring and constant sneezing, daily.  Normally this does not affect her
at all.

However, we've recently experienced a flare up in most of the cats.  It is
running through the household.  Terzi is the worst, seems absolutely miserable.

I just started giving her lysine again, and claritin, and cyproheptadine.  I am
also syringe feeding her twice daily, but may increase this because she is not
interested in eating.  She is very depressed.

She doesn't have any infection.  No green snot, no ulceration of the eyes.  Just
a lot of tearing, sneezing, wheezing (snoring).

I have spent a bundle of money lately on a couple of cats and am really pressed
for $$, so don't want to run to the vet unless I must.  I think the lysine &
claritin will kick in in a couple of days.  But I am as miserable as she is,
worrying about her.

Is there anything else I can do?  Should I worry?  Has anybody else been this
concerned, all for nothing?  How long should I wait before I go to the vet?  Do
antivirals really help?  I've used idoxuridine eyedrops before, with no apparent
benefit.  But, as I said, I don't think her eyes are an issue.

I plan on getting some lysine to add to their food on a daily, ongoing basis. 
Does anybody else do this?  Are there any side effects from too much lysine?

Thanks for advice, encouragement, stories, ANYTHING.

Betsy

Hi Cindi,
Not sure I can answer all your questions, but some I can.  I have been
in the same boat with 2 very small kittens, one days old, the other 3
weeks old.  They have recovered and are now 8 yrs old pampered brats.
The one thing I can say for sure is that if you can get them through the
crisis, their immune system will get stronger as they get older.

For kittens, lysine dosage is about 250mg/day, better split in half
every 12 hrs as it is peed out.  You can mix in food or babyfood (meat
in gravy type) to avoid pilling.
Claritin: 1/4 pill/day for kittens or small cats, 1/2 pill for adults or
larger cats.  You can also use cyproheptadine for kittens; it comes as a
liquid too, but you need a prescription for it.  Both dry the sinuses
and help with breathing and preventing bacterial infections by keeping
sinuses drier.  Cypro is also an appetite stimulant so can be helpful if
your kittens/cats are not eating.
No experience or knowledge re: zyrtec or grapefruit seed and cats.
In addition, I found Echinacea very helpful with my kittens.  They were
getting 125 mg/day mixed in the babyfood 'treat'.

Anyes


cindi a/k/a Cin wrote:
> Howdy y'all. I have been lurking for a while. I have a rescue and probably 1/3
have feline herpes in one form or another.
> I just started the Llysine but I have some questions I hope you can help me
out with.
> 1. What is the dose (most and least one can give) of Llysine for an adult cat
and kittens, and kittens less than 6 weeks old. Also want to know if there would
be any problem giving it to kittens less than 6 weeks old.
> 2. Grapefruit Seed Extract. I have seen many good posts concerning this but I
have no idea how much to give adult cats, kittens and kittens less than 6 weeks
old so need to know that.
> 3. Clairton. I need to know which kind of Clairton (fast acting, et) and what
the dosages are again for adult, kittens and kittens less than 6 weeks.
> 4. Zyertec. Have seen many good reports on Zyertec. I wonder what dose is
again for adult, kitten and kittens less than 6 weeks old.
>
> Now, I also would like to know if it is ok to give a pregnant cat any or all
of these. I have one with the sneezy snotty junk, but she is also having some
kind of a skin allergy and has picked out the fur right there where her butt
meets her tail. She has neither fleas nor mites of any kind so I know this is
some allergy. Do not want to go get her a steroid shot exp since she is pg.
>
> All of my kitties with the sneezy snotty eye iky are on Amoxicillin but in
some it just doesn't do much for them.
>
> Geez I sure hope I have not asked too much!!!
>
> Hope to hear from you all soon!!!
>
> Cindi and the Cat Pack!
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> http://eattheapple.com/kitty/ our kitty cats
> http://www.thensome.com/pethealth.htm
> http://www.thensome.com/herpes.htm
> http://www.thensome.com/herpes.htm
> http://www.thensome.com/felinehealthlinks.htmYahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>

Cindy, I have been here for years and I am glad you asked for dosages -
it would be good to know.
Grain free food helps cure skin allergies much of the time - grain is
linked to skin allergies especially corn or wheat and plastic food/water
dishes are too.
You say your kitties have gooey, sticky eyes and Amoxicillin isn't doing
too much for them - if it isn't doing /anything/ the kitties likely have
a virus of some kind - maybe FHV. (Antibiotics don't affect viruses.) If
the Amox. is sort of/somewhat working then it is likely that there is
bacteria involved but the Amox. is not the desired, most effective
antibiotic.
If you can afford a REAL PCR test that would be best. The new improved
PCR test that is 90+% accurate. It does involve a very quick short
anesthesia because the swab/s has to be from far down the throat, inside
the eye etc. It will test for 5 viral, bacterial or fungus conditions
that cause upper respiratory/eye symptoms.
Then you and your Vet can use the correct most effective antibiotic or
viral recommendation for that specific disease.
Nasal/eye scars occur if the most effective treatment isn't found fairly
quickly - especially in kittens.
Hope this helps, best of luck, Robin

cindi a/k/a Cin wrote:
>
> Howdy y'all. I have been lurking for a while. I have a rescue and
> probably 1/3 have feline herpes in one form or another.
> I just started the Llysine but I have some questions I hope you can
> help me out with.
> 1. What is the dose (most and least one can give) of Llysine for an
> adult cat and kittens, and kittens less than 6 weeks old. Also want to
> know if there would be any problem giving it to kittens less than 6
> weeks old.
> 2. Grapefruit Seed Extract. I have seen many good posts concerning
> this but I have no idea how much to give adult cats, kittens and
> kittens less than 6 weeks old so need to know that.
> 3. Clairton. I need to know which kind of Clairton (fast acting, et)
> and what the dosages are again for adult, kittens and kittens less
> than 6 weeks.
> 4. Zyertec. Have seen many good reports on Zyertec. I wonder what dose
> is again for adult, kitten and kittens less than 6 weeks old.
>
> Now, I also would like to know if it is ok to give a pregnant cat any
> or all of these. I have one with the sneezy snotty junk, but she is
> also having some kind of a skin allergy and has picked out the fur
> right there where her butt meets her tail. She has neither fleas nor
> mites of any kind so I know this is some allergy. Do not want to go
> get her a steroid shot exp since she is pg.
>
> All of my kitties with the sneezy snotty eye iky are on Amoxicillin
> but in some it just doesn't do much for them.
>
> Geez I sure hope I have not asked too much!!!
>
> Hope to hear from you all soon!!!
>
> Cindi and the Cat Pack!
>
>
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Howdy y'all. I have been lurking for a while. I have a rescue and probably 1/3
have feline herpes in one form or another.
I just started the Llysine but I have some questions I hope you can help me out
with.
1. What is the dose (most and least one can give) of Llysine for an adult cat
and kittens, and kittens less than 6 weeks old. Also want to know if there would
be any problem giving it to kittens less than 6 weeks old.
2. Grapefruit Seed Extract. I have seen many good posts concerning this but I
have no idea how much to give adult cats, kittens and kittens less than 6 weeks
old so need to know that.
3. Clairton. I need to know which kind of Clairton (fast acting, et) and what
the dosages are again for adult, kittens and kittens less than 6 weeks.
4. Zyertec. Have seen many good reports on Zyertec. I wonder what dose is again
for adult, kitten and kittens less than 6 weeks old.

Now, I also would like to know if it is ok to give a pregnant cat any or all of
these. I have one with the sneezy snotty junk, but she is also having some kind
of a skin allergy and has picked out the fur right there where her butt meets
her tail. She has neither fleas nor mites of any kind so I know this is some
allergy. Do not want to go get her a steroid shot exp since she is pg.

All of my kitties with the sneezy snotty eye iky are on Amoxicillin but in some
it just doesn't do much for them.

Geez I sure hope I have not asked too much!!!

Hope to hear from you all soon!!!

Cindi and the Cat Pack!

Hello,

I am wondering if anyone has used Acyclovir for herpes?  I have two cats that I
have been treating with an antibiotic ointment for the eye, along with
Gentamycin opthalmic.  I am also using lysine in their food.  The eyes are
clearing up as quickly as I would like.  I am wondering if anyone has any
helpful advice.  I noticed the herpes develop in their eyes when I vaccinated my
kittens - is this possible?

Thanks in advance.

Paige

I would give 500mg then.  Also, claritin may help dry her up so it does
not turn into a bacterial infection. 1/2pill/day.
Anyes

littleboyblu87 wrote:
> I stopped giving them Lysine years ago when they stopped showing symptoms.
Should I start Sissy on 250 mg per day or 500 mg? I can never remember these
things.
>
> The poor thing now has a clear nasal discharge. She's doing a lot of
sniffling. The others seem to be ok now. I'm keeping an eye on her in case I
need to take her to the vet.
>
>
>
> --- In felineherpes@yahoogroups.com, Anyes <anyes@...> wrote:
>
>> I am sorry about your kitty.
>> It's probably the stress that is causing this, and  herpes can flare up
>> in times of stress.  Are you giving lysine?  If not, I would give them
>> lysine for a couple of weeks or up the dose if you are doing that
>> already.  Also, feliway may help to calm them down while they adjust.
>> Anyes and the snotty girls
>>
>> littleboyblu87 wrote:
>>
>>> I have a 10 y/o (Sissy) that I don't think has ever really had issues with
the herpes virus. I honestly can't remember, but I don't think she has.
>>>
>>> Last week one of my cat's had to be euthanized rather unexpectedly. As you
can imagine, I've been very upset. My entire routine has been off since then and
my behavior is really off as well. There's lots of tension in the household
among the human family members.
>>>
>>> About three to five days after my cat died, his sister (Sissy) began
snorting. I thought she was sneezing at first but then later realized she was
snorting. She doesn't do it all the time though. Yesterday she had a clearish
eye discharge. I noticed that two of the other cats have had a sniffling thing
going on, but that's not unusual.
>>>
>>> Is this most likely a flare-up from stress? They're all inside only cats.
There's nothing Sissy could have gotten into that she would've gotten stuck up
her nose. I think she misses her brother and is (negatively) affected by the
shift in power/ranking among the cats. I think her ranking has gone down.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------
>>>
>>> http://eattheapple.com/kitty/ our kitty cats
>>> http://www.thensome.com/pethealth.htm
>>> http://www.thensome.com/herpes.htm
>>> http://www.thensome.com/herpes.htm
>>> http://www.thensome.com/felinehealthlinks.htmYahoo! Groups Links
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> http://eattheapple.com/kitty/ our kitty cats
> http://www.thensome.com/pethealth.htm
> http://www.thensome.com/herpes.htm
> http://www.thensome.com/herpes.htm
> http://www.thensome.com/felinehealthlinks.htmYahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>

I stopped giving them Lysine years ago when they stopped showing symptoms.
Should I start Sissy on 250 mg per day or 500 mg? I can never remember these
things.

The poor thing now has a clear nasal discharge. She's doing a lot of sniffling.
The others seem to be ok now. I'm keeping an eye on her in case I need to take
her to the vet.



--- In felineherpes@yahoogroups.com, Anyes <anyes@...> wrote:
>
> I am sorry about your kitty.
> It's probably the stress that is causing this, and  herpes can flare up
> in times of stress.  Are you giving lysine?  If not, I would give them
> lysine for a couple of weeks or up the dose if you are doing that
> already.  Also, feliway may help to calm them down while they adjust.
> Anyes and the snotty girls
>
> littleboyblu87 wrote:
> > I have a 10 y/o (Sissy) that I don't think has ever really had issues with
the herpes virus. I honestly can't remember, but I don't think she has.
> >
> > Last week one of my cat's had to be euthanized rather unexpectedly. As you
can imagine, I've been very upset. My entire routine has been off since then and
my behavior is really off as well. There's lots of tension in the household
among the human family members.
> >
> > About three to five days after my cat died, his sister (Sissy) began
snorting. I thought she was sneezing at first but then later realized she was
snorting. She doesn't do it all the time though. Yesterday she had a clearish
eye discharge. I noticed that two of the other cats have had a sniffling thing
going on, but that's not unusual.
> >
> > Is this most likely a flare-up from stress? They're all inside only cats.
There's nothing Sissy could have gotten into that she would've gotten stuck up
her nose. I think she misses her brother and is (negatively) affected by the
shift in power/ranking among the cats. I think her ranking has gone down.
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > http://eattheapple.com/kitty/ our kitty cats
> > http://www.thensome.com/pethealth.htm
> > http://www.thensome.com/herpes.htm
> > http://www.thensome.com/herpes.htm
> > http://www.thensome.com/felinehealthlinks.htmYahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

I am sorry about your kitty.
It's probably the stress that is causing this, and  herpes can flare up
in times of stress.  Are you giving lysine?  If not, I would give them
lysine for a couple of weeks or up the dose if you are doing that
already.  Also, feliway may help to calm them down while they adjust.
Anyes and the snotty girls

littleboyblu87 wrote:
> I have a 10 y/o (Sissy) that I don't think has ever really had issues with the
herpes virus. I honestly can't remember, but I don't think she has.
>
> Last week one of my cat's had to be euthanized rather unexpectedly. As you can
imagine, I've been very upset. My entire routine has been off since then and my
behavior is really off as well. There's lots of tension in the household among
the human family members.
>
> About three to five days after my cat died, his sister (Sissy) began snorting.
I thought she was sneezing at first but then later realized she was snorting.
She doesn't do it all the time though. Yesterday she had a clearish eye
discharge. I noticed that two of the other cats have had a sniffling thing going
on, but that's not unusual.
>
> Is this most likely a flare-up from stress? They're all inside only cats.
There's nothing Sissy could have gotten into that she would've gotten stuck up
her nose. I think she misses her brother and is (negatively) affected by the
shift in power/ranking among the cats. I think her ranking has gone down.
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> http://eattheapple.com/kitty/ our kitty cats
> http://www.thensome.com/pethealth.htm
> http://www.thensome.com/herpes.htm
> http://www.thensome.com/herpes.htm
> http://www.thensome.com/felinehealthlinks.htmYahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>

I have a 10 y/o (Sissy) that I don't think has ever really had issues with the
herpes virus. I honestly can't remember, but I don't think she has.

Last week one of my cat's had to be euthanized rather unexpectedly. As you can
imagine, I've been very upset. My entire routine has been off since then and my
behavior is really off as well. There's lots of tension in the household among
the human family members.

About three to five days after my cat died, his sister (Sissy) began snorting. I
thought she was sneezing at first but then later realized she was snorting. She
doesn't do it all the time though. Yesterday she had a clearish eye discharge. I
noticed that two of the other cats have had a sniffling thing going on, but
that's not unusual.

Is this most likely a flare-up from stress? They're all inside only cats.
There's nothing Sissy could have gotten into that she would've gotten stuck up
her nose. I think she misses her brother and is (negatively) affected by the
shift in power/ranking among the cats. I think her ranking has gone down.

--- In felineherpes@yahoogroups.com, morgaine lefay <lefaymorgaine@...> wrote:
>
> i understand what you are saying. with FVR they sometimes don't get the eye
thing is she on lylysine 2x aday i have my cats upt to 1000mg caps which i put
in oral syringe with 2 teaspoons warm water. does she need clavamox  2x aday
1ml  dependeing on weight/ call petmeds  and they will get prescription from
the vet. good quality food and is she sneezing.
>  
> as foar as new additions have you thought of older cats they are less lickly
to get sick and no one adopts them
>  

My vet doesn't see a reason to put my Juliet on any meds, as she's not really
suffering. Her symptoms are pretty much the same every day...no sneezing but
snorting and weezing with loud breathing, and there's never any worstening, and
unfortunately, it never gets better. She had lysine for 4 months, twice daily,
but there was never any change, I so discontinued that. As to her food...It's my
understanding that grains can cause further problems, so she's strictly raw fed,
from day one, which is the main reason I'd like to have kittens, rather than an
older cat, as I very much want all future cats to eat raw in my household.

I will take her in for testing, and I'll be sure that the kittens I adopt have
the same virus, so they'll be tested as well. If she does have FVR, then I'm
more than willing to adopt and nurse a couple of kittens through that, rather
than having our local shelter nurse them through it and then put them up for
regular adoption once they're symptom free...which is how I ended up with a sick
kitten that passed on an illness that killed my older cat. Had I known that she
had been quarantined with a virus earlier, I'd not have taken her, since I had
an elderly cat at home. No regrets, though, as this is a very special cat.

Victoria

i understand what you are saying. with FVR they sometimes don't get the eye
thing is she on lylysine 2x aday i have my cats upt to 1000mg caps which i put
in oral syringe with 2 teaspoons warm water. does she need clavamox  2x aday
1ml  dependeing on weight/ call petmeds  and they will get prescription from
the vet. good quality food and is she sneezing.
 
as foar as new additions have you thought of older cats they are less lickly to
get sick and no one adopts them
 
let me know how it goes
 
morgaine


--- On Sat, 11/14/09, moontidearts <moontidearts@...> wrote:


From: moontidearts <moontidearts@...>
Subject: [felineherpes]feline herpes Have always thought it was Feline Herpes...
To: felineherpes@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, November 14, 2009, 10:37 PM


 



About six months ago I brought a 14 month old kitten into my household. It
became immediately apparent that she had an upper respiratory problem,
particularly when my eleven year old cat came down with the illness, including
the typical eye symptoms seen in FVR cats. The older cat died, and the vet,
though without testing, declared that the kitten has FVR. She has not, however,
ever had the eye symptoms. She'll soon be a year old, and she's still having the
respiratory symptoms, almost constantly, but she's never had any eye problems.
Can a FVR positive cat have the virus without eye involvement? I don't want to
take her for testing, as I don't want vaccines pushed on us, and she's no worse
than she ever has been...no better, no worse...just cruising along nicely, so a
vet visit seems like an unnecessary expense, and I've been told that the testing
isn't always accurate.

The reason I bring this up is because she needs a companion cat or two. I don't
wish to bring in a healthy cat that would likely catch the virus, so I'm looking
for one or two FVR positive kittens. Without testing, though, I wonder if I may
be bringing in a new problem. My worry is that my cat might have feline clamidia
instead of herpes, so the new FVR kittens may end up with a second virus, along
with my current cat catching something new.

I'm willing to nurse the cats through whatever they have, but I don't want
avoidable complications. Any thoughts? Most advice I've been getting involves
getting healthy kittens and then dealing with the situation if/when the
newcomers catch the virus. My reason for getting already infected kittens is
because those often go homeless, and if my house already has the virus here,
then I may as well only adopt those unwanted one.

Victoria and Juliet











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Doesn't sound like feline herpes.  Without the testing, which is, as Kenneth
said, is not expensive, but well worth the cost.  Sometimes, eye problems
are a secondary infection which can be treated with antibiotics.
I doubt the older cat died from herpes.  Please get your other kitty tested
for whatever may be the root problem before bringing in another kitty.
Purrs, Tricia
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kenneth Almgren" <almgrenk@...>
To: <felineherpes@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2009 11:26 AM
Subject: Re: [felineherpes]feline herpes Have always thought it was Feline
Herpes...


> The REAL PCR test is not that expensive, does not require or force a
> vaccine and is 90+% accurate. Bringing any other kittens or cats into
> your home could cause irreparable harm to them - and could become quite
> expensive treating two sick cats, unless you don't intend to treat. Robin
>
> moontidearts wrote:
>>
>> About six months ago I brought a 14 month old kitten into my
>> household. It became immediately apparent that she had an upper
>> respiratory problem, particularly when my eleven year old cat came
>> down with the illness, including the typical eye symptoms seen in FVR
>> cats. The older cat died, and the vet, though without testing,
>> declared that the kitten has FVR. She has not, however, ever had the
>> eye symptoms. She'll soon be a year old, and she's still having the
>> respiratory symptoms, almost constantly, but she's never had any eye
>> problems. Can a FVR positive cat have the virus without eye
>> involvement? I don't want to take her for testing, as I don't want
>> vaccines pushed on us, and she's no worse than she ever has been...no
>> better, no worse...just cruising along nicely, so a vet visit seems
>> like an unnecessary expense, and I've been told that the testing isn't
>> always accurate.
>>
>> The reason I bring this up is because she needs a companion cat or
>> two. I don't wish to bring in a healthy cat that would likely catch
>> the virus, so I'm looking for one or two FVR positive kittens. Without
>> testing, though, I wonder if I may be bringing in a new problem. My
>> worry is that my cat might have feline clamidia instead of herpes, so
>> the new FVR kittens may end up with a second virus, along with my
>> current cat catching something new.
>>
>> I'm willing to nurse the cats through whatever they have, but I don't
>> want avoidable complications. Any thoughts? Most advice I've been
>> getting involves getting healthy kittens and then dealing with the
>> situation if/when the newcomers catch the virus. My reason for getting
>> already infected kittens is because those often go homeless, and if my
>> house already has the virus here, then I may as well only adopt those
>> unwanted one.
>>
>> Victoria and Juliet
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>
>> No virus found in this incoming message.
>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
>> Version: 8.5.425 / Virus Database: 270.14.65/2503 - Release Date:
>> 11/14/09 19:42:00
>>
>>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> http://eattheapple.com/kitty/ our kitty cats
> http://www.thensome.com/pethealth.htm
> http://www.thensome.com/herpes.htm
> http://www.thensome.com/herpes.htm
> http://www.thensome.com/felinehealthlinks.htmYahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

ML, Sorry to answer so late; Suzy is correct - Zithromax (Azithromycin)
is perfectly legal and available in the US. Your Vet may not be familiar
with it. It started out as an antibiotic for humans. In my experience,
it only became an option for cats in the past 3-6 years depending on who
your Vet is. My Vet was wonderful - got it because I heard about using
it for cats on the internet. Robin

First, did your cats have a test that proved they have FHV? Cat owners
and Vets are reaching for that diagnosis just from symptoms but at least
5 common diseases caused by virus', bacterias, and fungus have similar
symptoms.

It could be the LLysine or the vitamins that are making your cat vomit
and vomiting is bad for their teeth - it contains harsh digestive acids.
Try different versions of LLysine and/or smaller portions at a time. Robin
maureen.aull wrote:
>
>
>
> --- In felineherpes@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:felineherpes%40yahoogroups.com>, "bearydiva" <msdiva1pdl@...>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi, I have 2 cats (inside)that are about 10 yrs old. They are
> Bengals (littermates) and they both have the Herpes Virus. I've been
> feeding Evo dry and small amounts 2x day of Fancy Feast so that I can
> mix in the vit's and L-Lysine that they need. My question is I'm
> interested in possibly changing the dry food to start with, because
> the male cat is vomiting more. Seems like each morning he'll eat a
> small amount and then vomit it up. I'm interested to know what others
> here are feeding with good success. What about a good wet food? Any
> suggestions will be appreciated.
> >
> Hi,
> While Evo is one of the best dry foods on the market because it is
> grain free, your boy may do better on canned foods. Wellness is good
> as are other high-quality brands. Especially those that are
> grain-free. Try a pet food store instead of the big brand food stores
> for better quality canned.
> My girl regurgitates too (soon after eating, vs vomiting which usually
> happens longer after a meal.) I have solved this by splitting her two
> meals a day in half.
> Another reason my girl threw up - she stopped tolerating some of her
> canned foods. Once I removed the offenders, she got much better. You
> may also try grinding up the Evo and adding a bit of water. If he is
> not chewing the crunchy stuff sufficiently, it could be offending his
> stomach.
> Finally, if he is not chewing his Evo, it may also indicate that he
> has some teeth problems, which can lead to other challenges. Have him
> checked next time you're at the vet?
> As far as the herpes is concerned, I'm hearing and reading a lot about
> Feline Immune Support for Cats by Genesis Resources. I've just ordered
> some for the first time so cannot give you input on this. I got it at
> a discount at:
> http://www.discountpetdrugs.com/refeimsysu60.html
> <http://www.discountpetdrugs.com/refeimsysu60.html>
> Good luck!
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> No virus found in this incoming message.
> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
> Version: 8.5.425 / Virus Database: 270.14.62/2499 - Release Date: 11/12/09
14:33:00
>
>

The REAL PCR test is not that expensive, does not require or force a
vaccine and is 90+% accurate. Bringing any other kittens or cats into
your home could cause irreparable harm to them - and could become quite
expensive treating two sick cats, unless you don't intend to treat. Robin

moontidearts wrote:
>
> About six months ago I brought a 14 month old kitten into my
> household. It became immediately apparent that she had an upper
> respiratory problem, particularly when my eleven year old cat came
> down with the illness, including the typical eye symptoms seen in FVR
> cats. The older cat died, and the vet, though without testing,
> declared that the kitten has FVR. She has not, however, ever had the
> eye symptoms. She'll soon be a year old, and she's still having the
> respiratory symptoms, almost constantly, but she's never had any eye
> problems. Can a FVR positive cat have the virus without eye
> involvement? I don't want to take her for testing, as I don't want
> vaccines pushed on us, and she's no worse than she ever has been...no
> better, no worse...just cruising along nicely, so a vet visit seems
> like an unnecessary expense, and I've been told that the testing isn't
> always accurate.
>
> The reason I bring this up is because she needs a companion cat or
> two. I don't wish to bring in a healthy cat that would likely catch
> the virus, so I'm looking for one or two FVR positive kittens. Without
> testing, though, I wonder if I may be bringing in a new problem. My
> worry is that my cat might have feline clamidia instead of herpes, so
> the new FVR kittens may end up with a second virus, along with my
> current cat catching something new.
>
> I'm willing to nurse the cats through whatever they have, but I don't
> want avoidable complications. Any thoughts? Most advice I've been
> getting involves getting healthy kittens and then dealing with the
> situation if/when the newcomers catch the virus. My reason for getting
> already infected kittens is because those often go homeless, and if my
> house already has the virus here, then I may as well only adopt those
> unwanted one.
>
> Victoria and Juliet
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> No virus found in this incoming message.
> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
> Version: 8.5.425 / Virus Database: 270.14.65/2503 - Release Date: 11/14/09
19:42:00
>
>

About six months ago I brought a 14 month old kitten into my household. It
became immediately apparent that she had an upper respiratory problem,
particularly when my eleven year old cat came down with the illness, including
the typical eye symptoms seen in FVR cats. The older cat died, and the vet,
though without testing, declared that the kitten has FVR. She has not, however,
ever had the eye symptoms. She'll soon be a year old, and she's still having the
respiratory symptoms, almost constantly, but she's never had any eye problems.
Can a FVR positive cat have the virus without eye involvement? I don't want to
take her for testing, as I don't want vaccines pushed on us, and she's no worse
than she ever has been...no better, no worse...just cruising along nicely, so a
vet visit seems like an unnecessary expense, and I've been told that the testing
isn't always accurate.

The reason I bring this up is because she needs a companion cat or two. I don't
wish to bring in a healthy cat that would likely catch the virus, so I'm looking
for one or two FVR positive kittens. Without testing, though, I wonder if I may
be bringing in a new problem. My worry is that my cat might have feline clamidia
instead of herpes, so the new FVR kittens may end up with a second virus, along
with my current cat catching something new.

I'm willing to nurse the cats through whatever they have, but I don't want
avoidable complications. Any thoughts? Most advice I've been getting involves
getting healthy kittens and then dealing with the situation if/when the
newcomers catch the virus. My reason for getting already infected kittens is
because those often go homeless, and if my house already has the virus here,
then I may as well only adopt those unwanted one.

Victoria and Juliet

--- In felineherpes@yahoogroups.com, "bearydiva" <msdiva1pdl@...> wrote:
>
> Hi, I have 2 cats (inside)that are about 10 yrs old.  They are Bengals
(littermates) and they both have the Herpes Virus.  I've been feeding Evo dry
and small amounts 2x day of Fancy Feast so that I can mix in the vit's and
L-Lysine that they need.  My question is I'm interested in possibly changing the
dry food to start with, because the male cat is vomiting more.  Seems like each
morning he'll eat a small amount and then vomit it up.  I'm interested to know
what others here are feeding with good success.  What about a good wet food? 
Any suggestions will be appreciated.
>
Hi,
While Evo is one of the best dry foods on the market because it is grain free,
your boy may do better on canned foods. Wellness is good as are other
high-quality brands. Especially those that are grain-free. Try a pet food store
instead of the big brand food stores for better quality canned.
My girl regurgitates too (soon after eating, vs vomiting which usually happens
longer after a meal.) I have solved this by splitting her two meals a day in
half.
Another reason my girl threw up - she stopped tolerating some of her canned
foods. Once I removed the offenders, she got much better. You may also try
grinding up the Evo and adding a bit of water. If he is not chewing the crunchy
stuff sufficiently, it could be offending his stomach.
Finally, if he is not chewing his Evo, it may also indicate that he has some
teeth problems, which can lead to other challenges. Have him checked next time
you're at the vet?
As far as the herpes is concerned, I'm hearing and reading a lot about Feline
Immune Support for Cats by Genesis Resources. I've just ordered some for the
first time so cannot give you input on this. I got it at a discount at:
http://www.discountpetdrugs.com/refeimsysu60.html
Good luck!

I am so glad to know that zithromax can be prescribed here by vets.  I'm in
Florida for the winter and am using the walk=in animal clinic nearby.  Maybe I
should try to find a new vet.

As for the L-Lisine, thanks for the advice.

Conjuctivitis, red eye, is not necessarily an indicator of herpes.  It may be
just conjuctivitis.
Usually, with herpes, the red, weepy eyes are from a secondary infection.  If
your kitty is lethargic, not eating, running a low-grade fever (feel his nose to
see if it's really warm, also his ears...), nasal discharge, take him to your
vet for a check-up.  It may just be a URI. If the vet suspects it is herpes,
than have the real PCR test done to confirm!
Zithromax IS available here in U.S, and used for kitties with herpes flare-ups
and treats the secondary infections, not the herpes.   There are many different
eye drops/solutions for the eye infections - just make sure it contains NO
steroids!

L-lysine, for maintenance, is usually given in 250mg doses 2xd.  I use the
Enysil F which is a pump dispenser, and I order it inline through
Entirelypets/Amazon.com - least expensive I've found at about $14.00 a
dispenser.  Kitties like it in their food or right off the spoon.

During a herpes flare-up, the dosage is increased to 500mg 2xd.  Again, remember
to tell your vet that if it is confirmed herpes, NO steroids.

Good luck.
Purrs, Tricia


   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Ml
   To: felineherpes@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 3:44 PM
   Subject: [felineherpes]feline herpes How long should I give my kitten L Lisine
?



   I am giving my kitten 500 mgs of L Lisine as a preventative measure. He had
what looked like herpes in his left eye and my breeder treated him for the red
eye and a URI and he is now fine. The breeder is out of the country on vacation
and so I can't ask her how much L Lisine I should be using as a preventative
measure. Any suggestions? Is too much Lisine ever harmful?

   Also, if his eye ever gets red again I will have him tested by a cat
opthamologist. Is the test for herpes really expensive?

   Is it possible that he may never have another outbreak? Do some cats get it in
just the eye that had the original infection or can the other eye be affected as
well?

   And lastly, why can't American Vets prescribe Zithromax for cats? I understand
that it is extremely effective and is prescribed for cats throughout the world
but not in US.

   Any answers would be most welcome.

   ML





[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

My regular vet routinely prescribes Zithromax to cats, and I live in California.
It is also prescribed throughout the rest of the states, so your vet is in
error.  For the Lysine, maintenance is tyically in the amount of 250 mg. given
twice daily, or at least that is what I have been told to give my cat.  Suzy and
my feline family, SF Bay Area
--- In felineherpes@yahoogroups.com, "Ml" <mhunter651@...> wrote:
>
> I am giving my kitten 500 mgs of L Lisine as a preventative measure.  He had
what looked like herpes in his left eye and my breeder treated him for the red
eye and a URI and he is now fine. The breeder is out of the country on vacation
and so I can't ask her how much L Lisine I should be using as a preventative
measure.  Any suggestions? Is too much Lisine ever harmful?
>
> Also, if his eye ever gets red again I will have him tested by a cat
opthamologist.  Is the test for herpes really expensive?
>
> Is it possible that he may never have another outbreak?  Do some cats get it
in just the eye that had the original infection or can the other eye be affected
as well?
>
> And lastly, why can't American Vets prescribe Zithromax for cats? I understand
that it is extremely effective and is prescribed for cats throughout the world
but not in US.
>
> Any answers would be most welcome.
>
> ML
>

You have to understand that as written, you will not get this tax break unless
you are in a position to use the schedule A.  Talk to your representative about
making it available to the average citizen.  Mary(Chiismychi)

--- In felineherpes@yahoogroups.com, Kenneth Almgren <almgrenk@...> wrote:
>
> O.T. Thanks, I saw this too. Another kind of tax break...another way our
> beloved government politicos bestow favors on us lowly citizens. Playing
> Santa with increased taxes from our earnings to keep us compliant.
> That's all it is but if it passes I will take advantage of it - my Vet
> bills are more than 3500 each year. Robin
>
>
> chiismychi wrote:
> >
> > I mostly lurk here, but with pets, you might be interested in the
> > Happy act. If it passes, you might be eligible for a $3500 deduction.
> > I wrote a blog about it and it's how it might apply to you at
> > http://www.starfishrescue.blogspot.com.
> > <http://www.starfishrescue.blogspot.com.> Mary(Chiismychi)
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> >
> > No virus found in this incoming message.
> > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
> > Version: 8.5.425 / Virus Database: 270.14.60/2496 - Release Date: 11/11/09
07:40:00
> >
> >
>

I am giving my kitten 500 mgs of L Lisine as a preventative measure.  He had
what looked like herpes in his left eye and my breeder treated him for the red
eye and a URI and he is now fine. The breeder is out of the country on vacation
and so I can't ask her how much L Lisine I should be using as a preventative
measure.  Any suggestions? Is too much Lisine ever harmful?

Also, if his eye ever gets red again I will have him tested by a cat
opthamologist.  Is the test for herpes really expensive?

Is it possible that he may never have another outbreak?  Do some cats get it in
just the eye that had the original infection or can the other eye be affected as
well?

And lastly, why can't American Vets prescribe Zithromax for cats? I understand
that it is extremely effective and is prescribed for cats throughout the world
but not in US.

Any answers would be most welcome.

ML

Thanks Mary, it's interesting. Robin

chiismychi wrote:
>
>
> Some people have had problems with the link because the period at the
> end of the sentence moved over. Try
> http://www.starfishrescue.blogspot.com
> <http://www.starfishrescue.blogspot.com> Thanks, Mary(Chiismychi)
>
> --- In felineherpes@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:felineherpes%40yahoogroups.com>, "chiismychi" <rossmary@...>
> wrote:
> >
> > I mostly lurk here, but with pets, you might be interested in the
> Happy act. If it passes, you might be eligible for a $3500 deduction.
> I wrote a blog about it and it's how it might apply to you at
> http://www.starfishrescue.blogspot.com.
> <http://www.starfishrescue.blogspot.com.> Mary(Chiismychi)
> >
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> No virus found in this incoming message.
> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
> Version: 8.5.425 / Virus Database: 270.14.61/2497 - Release Date: 11/11/09
19:41:00
>
>

Some people have had problems with the link because the period at the end of the
sentence moved over.  Try http://www.starfishrescue.blogspot.com  Thanks,
Mary(Chiismychi)

--- In felineherpes@yahoogroups.com, "chiismychi" <rossmary@...> wrote:
>
> I mostly lurk here, but with pets, you might be interested in the Happy act. 
If it passes, you might be eligible for a $3500 deduction.  I wrote a blog about
it and it's how it might apply to you at http://www.starfishrescue.blogspot.com.
Mary(Chiismychi)
>

Aurora,

I wasn't able to answer your question until now because my computer was down and
I had to wait until my son came to visit and fix it!

The breeder I talked about has taught me so much.  Like how to feed a kitten who
isn't eating.  Things you probably all know who are much more experienced than I
am.

The eye drops she uses are Dexamethasone sodium Phosphate Opthalmic Solution
USP.  she also uses Terramicyn Ointment for the eyes.  she uses Lysine as yoou
all recommended.

She forwarded a link to an article written by  one of the world's foremost
authorities on cats that deals with antibiotics which i am also sending to you
to read.  link: http://www.ayshazencats.co.uk/Downloads/zithdosing.pdf

I hope all this helps!

ML

--- In felineherpes@yahoogroups.com, Aurora <auroragy@...> wrote:
>
> Hi, What did�she do for him, whch meds and eyed drops? I'm alway interested to
see what different people give. She sounds like a�good breeder!
> Aurora
>
> --- On Mon, 11/2/09, mlhunter1 <mhunter651@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: mlhunter1 <mhunter651@...>
> Subject: [felineherpes]feline herpes Re: feline herpes Birman kitten .. thanks
for the advice.
> To: felineherpes@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Monday, November 2, 2009, 7:45 AM
>
>
> �
>
>
>
> Sorry it tok so long to respond. My little guy is much improved. On Saturday I
took him back to the breeder so that she could get him well. She is teaching me
what to do so that I will know how to take care of him if he has a future
outbreak. She is wonderful. Her cattery is clean and the kittens are raised
underfoot and she has been doing this for 15 years.
>
> She said the same think many of you did, that the vet may have been wrong
about the diagnosis since he didn't run any tests. She put him on a different
antibotic and is using different drops in his eyes.
>
> She offered me my money back or another kitten, but I decided to go with the
same little guy. The breeder handles the kittens and cats with such love and
confidence, I am amazed.
>
> Thank you all for the help which was so important to me last week.
>
> May God bless and keep all you feline friends well!
>
> ML
>
> --- In felineherpes@ yahoogroups. com, "stephanief101400" <savvyewe@ .> wrote:
> >
> > ML, How's your little guy today? Still improving? Are you still steaming
him? I went through 6 weeks of running a vaporizer 24/7 when I first got Hannah.
She was so sick and so congested! I can give you more ideas if you'd like them.
LOL Hope your little one feels better!
> >
> > Stephanie
> >
> > > > mlhunter1 wrote:
> > > > > Thanks to all who replied to my questions about my Birman kitten, AJ.
As I said I am new to the message board format and so I guess I posted two
messages. Sorry!
> > > > >
> > > > > As to the eye drops teh vet gave me, they are Neo Poly Dex ... given
twice daily. Someone here asked what antibiotic shot he got from the vet and I
am ashamed to say I don't know.
> > > > >
> > > > > I am giving him 500 L-Lysine a day and am mixing it with the only
thing he will eat right now which is Fancy Feast kitten food. The breeded gave
me Royal Cannin for kittens and he won't eat. His appetite is good and he is
drinking water.
> > > > >
> > > > > I tok the suggestion of someone who replied to me here yesterday and
sat in the steamed bathroom withhim. He does seem to be sneezing less this
morning.
> > > > >
> > > > > Someone here also suggested that I give him lots of TLC. Believe me he
gets it. Someone else asked what tests the vet ran to get the dianosis. he
didn't run any test. But both the vt and I talked to the breeder where I got him
from and she admited that his litter mate and several other of her cats have had
herpes. Anyway, I do like and trust the vet that I have.
> > > > >
> > > > > All your suggestions have been invaluable. I have had cats for years
but never a sick one. I got a kitten from my brother's cat (he inherited a
pregnant cat when he bought and old farm house) in 1975 and she lived for 20
years and was absolutely a part of my family. Then I had a Himyalan cat that a
friend got and was alergic to so chelsea became mine and lived until she was 17.
Neither were ever sick until they died of old age.
> > > > >
> > > > > Now I have a beautiful 3 year old Birman, Allie, whom I got from a
breeder who was giving up her hobby of raising cats.
> > > > >
> > > > > My children are grown and my husband died last year so I thought
adding a new kitten to my household would be a lovely thing to do for me and for
Allie.
> > > > >
> > > > > My cats have always been my babies.
> > > > >
> > > > > Anyway, I apologize for the long email but please know I appreciate
any advice you have.
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

O.T. Thanks, I saw this too. Another kind of tax break...another way our
beloved government politicos bestow favors on us lowly citizens. Playing
Santa with increased taxes from our earnings to keep us compliant.
That's all it is but if it passes I will take advantage of it - my Vet
bills are more than 3500 each year. Robin


chiismychi wrote:
>
> I mostly lurk here, but with pets, you might be interested in the
> Happy act. If it passes, you might be eligible for a $3500 deduction.
> I wrote a blog about it and it's how it might apply to you at
> http://www.starfishrescue.blogspot.com.
> <http://www.starfishrescue.blogspot.com.> Mary(Chiismychi)
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> No virus found in this incoming message.
> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
> Version: 8.5.425 / Virus Database: 270.14.60/2496 - Release Date: 11/11/09
07:40:00
>
>

I mostly lurk here, but with pets, you might be interested in the Happy act.  If
it passes, you might be eligible for a $3500 deduction.  I wrote a blog about it
and it's how it might apply to you at http://www.starfishrescue.blogspot.com.  
Mary(Chiismychi)

Keep in mind that peas and starchy foods are also bad for cats. There are more
grain free foods (TOTW) comes to mind that may not have grain, but have just as
much carbs in the way of starches and fruits.

Best,
Michelle

--

“Most great people have attained their greatest success just one step beyond
their greatest failure.”

Napoleon Hill (from "Think and Grow Rich")



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--- On Tue, 11/10/09, Lin <jlgregel@...> wrote:

From: Lin <jlgregel@...>
Subject: Re: [felineherpes]feline herpes Diet for Kitties with Herpes
To: felineherpes@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, November 10, 2009, 5:22 AM







 









       Natural balance has a couple of grain free dry foods.  My guys like the
duck and pea.  Wellness makes several grain free canned foods.  The favorite
here is the plain turkey (which does also contain some chicken)

Lin

   ----- Original Message -----

   From: bearydiva

   To: felineherpes@ yahoogroups. com

   Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 11:25 PM

   Subject: [felineherpes] feline herpes Diet for Kitties with Herpes



Hi, I have 2 cats (inside)that are about 10 yrs old. They are Bengals
(littermates) and they both have the Herpes Virus. I've been feeding Evo dry and
small amounts 2x day of Fancy Feast so that I can mix in the vit's and L-Lysine
that they need. My question is I'm interested in possibly changing the dry food
to start with, because the male cat is vomiting more. Seems like each morning
he'll eat a small amount and then vomit it up. I'm interested to know what
others here are feeding with good success. What about a good wet food? Any
suggestions will be appreciated.



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