In german-pinschers@yahoogroups.com, "myshirose1" <myshirose1@...>
wrote:

This seems to be the running theme with these dogs (not being
returned). There has to be a reason for it.

As I stated in another post, the last I heard Chynna ended up with
yet another owner. A woman named Susan (wasn't told her last name),
who supposedly was a dog trainer living on a farm in Oregon, with 3
Doberman Pinschers, that Chynna seemed to get along with there.
Don't know if the info. was true, or not. Chynna had "issues" I was
told, and this last owner(in Oregon),that Chynna was passed onto,
was informed of her issues, and if she acted out in a serious way,
that this most recent owner was instructed to euthanize her. So,
don't know if any of this was true, or not. The last I heard of this
was back in 2004.

This is why I made the post. To see if she IS with someone who put
her (Chynna's),interests first, and made the effort to rehabilitate
Chynna, and if she is a happy, healthy dog, in a good home now...

I know my male will be 9 yrs. old this year, So, Chynna must be
possibly around 11 yrs. old now. I can only hope she did find a good
home with caring people to work with her, as my two have found such
a home here with me.

Basically all these dogs were exploited, and the best interest of
the dogs were not the focus. I can only hope it never happens again
to any other GP, or any other dog, regardless of breed.

I can only hope that the screening process for those receiving dogs
by breeders has been improved, so that the abuse, neglect, death,
and exploitation, that befell all these dogs NEVER, EVER, happens
again.

I had the opportunity to obtain Chynna, when I got my male. But, as I
stated in another post,I was only looking for one dog at the time. If
I had known the situation I would have tried to rescue her. As it
turned out, I ended up truly rescuing my male, and Sienna. Had I
learned sooner of the situation of all these dogs, I would have
contacted authorities. As it is I did what I could for them.

I would have to question what the arrangement was with Chynna from
the start?... As to why she wasn't returned, and ended up passed
onto several homes, ended up bred repeatedly, and passed onto
several others again. That poor dog was exploited so much it's no
wonder she ended up with issues.

Whatever the outcome with Chynna, I can only hope that it has been a
lesson to all breeders, and to the screening process so that what
happened to her, and my own 2 dogs, never happens again (mine ending
up with a part time show person, more full time back yard breeder).
Because not only is it cruel, and unfair to the dog, but it is also
> cruel, and unfair to unsuspecting new owners to find out the dog
they > have obtained has been abused, exploited, and traumatized
leaving the > dog with issues, that the new owner has to then work on
to correct. > Some trauma can never be resolved. That's when you have
to then > decide to either accept them as they are, and manage the
dog. Or, > decide if euthanasia is the only option.

I chose to work on the issues I could correct, accept the ones I
couldn't, and manage them instead. Euthanasia wasn't an option.
Neither was passing them onto others, or taking them to a shelter.
That is what being a responsible owner is all about. It is a shame
these dogs suffered at the hands of others who refused to take
THEIR "RESPONSIBILITY", seriously in the first place. At least
their "last" owner is the one they were meant to be with at last,
and that they are well cared for, accepted, loved, and are truly
home at last.
>
My only wish would be that animal welfare laws were stronger, and
that those who exploit, neglect, abuse, or kill animals face harsher
punishment. The people who exploited these dogs shouldn't be allowed
to own any animal. I have seen GP's listed on Petfinder, and GP
mixes. Where is the GP Rescue? The purebreds listed there should be >
in their care. It goes to show that there needs to be improvement in
screening process of breeding dogs, pups, potential owners, and >
mandatory spay, neuter for those being placed as pet quality dogs. >
Allowing people to take a puppy, or dog unneutered, or, unspayed, is
> asking for trouble. These dogs should have the procedure done
before they go to their "new" home. If that means charging the
potential buyer/adopter so be it. If they really want the dog/puppy
they should be willing to pay the costs of the procedure. Maybe then
the > exploitation can be curbed, and the chance of dogs ending up
being > allowed to breed to produce mixed mutts won't happen either.

Considering the absolute millions of dogs euthanized in the US alone
each year, it is irresponsible to allow this to continue. It's not
just mixed dogs euthanized, it is purebred dogs as well. The shelters
shouldn't be the place to end up having to deal with the "culls" of
the dog breeding industry. It's bad enough they have to deal with
the puppy mill dogs, and the back yard breeders.

I just hope those in the show/breeding world will learn from this,
and will take steps to prevent such situations in future.

I would only ask one more question. If you knew who Chynna was given
to, and they never called, or emailed you. Why didn't you call
authorities to have the dog returned to you? If she violated any
contract, I'm sure your local ASPCA, or other organization would
have been happy to help retrieve the dog, and return her to her
proper, rightful owner.

I think I would like to see GP's not find themselves on shelter
listings, or in kill shelters as has befallen all other breeds of
dog. There's not that many in the US to begin with, they don't need
to end up as throw aways. They are a superb dog, that needs proper
representation, including the true disposition, nature, and history
>> require, or should I say demand a lot of your time, and attention.
> They are pinschers. I just would hate to see them ruined for the
sake of a ribbon, trophy, or money. If there should be anything to
brag about it should be how well tempered, well trained, well cared
for, and well educated potential owners were made before they
obtained their GP. That none had to be returned to breeders, or
dumped at shelters. That the breed truly was improved, and that all
lived happily ever after. I think that should be the goal, and that
should be something to be proud of, and to brag about. That the dogs
best interest was put ahead of the human associated with it, instead
of the other way round. Otherwise it will be a black eye on the GP
organizations, their members, and more importantly on the breed
itself. There have already been enough bad news reported on other
breeds. The GP doesn't need to be dragged down with them as
well.
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AMEN "myshirose1"!
Amen, for what you do for the good of the GP breed and for bringing
your thoughts and efforts to the forefront here.

A breeder should go to great lengths to get a dog of their breeding
BACK from the unscrupulous, including personally picking up the dog,
or having someone else pick it up, or as you say, use those in
authority to assist. Sure people move about, but they can be easily
tracked, which has been done by many breeders in the past. Simple
execuses and not good reason is no excuse.

You are so correct in that it is all about the Shows and Ribbons for
some, and after that, well.......where the resulting whelps end up
can be a horrendous tale, as with Chynna and the others that you
speak of.

Over breeding is also a good sign that puppers will end up at some
point in puppy mills or BYBs, or with HVBs. Breeders who always have
pups available for Show or sale certainly send up red flags to some
in the dog fancy. It is like network or pyramid marketing isn't it?
Sell...sell...sell.

There are a few dogs out there with BYBs, mills, or HVBs that
originate from the breeder(s) you speak of. Sad.

At some point in the not so distant future we will certainly see GPs
registered with APR/APRI/ACR, Continental Kennel Club etc., and when
the time comes you can be sure the GP world will be fully aware of
the origination of those dogs. Sad.

You are to be commended for your posting and forthrightness.
Thank you from me for your post.

Emily