--- In german-pinschers@yahoogroups.com, "esterwin" <meemma@...>
wrote:
>
> AMEN "myshirose1"!
> Amen, for what you do for the good of the GP breed and for bringing
> your thoughts and efforts to the forefront here.
>
> You are to be commended for your posting and forthrightness.
> Thank you from me for your post.
>
> Emily


I appreciate your reply. Maybe what needs to happen is, that there
needs to be more oversight by not only the AKC, UKC, and any other
dog fancy organizations to keep track of dogs, litters, etc... So,
that dogs that were NOT contracted, or otherwise by breeders for
breeding do not end up illegally bred, and then the unsuspecting dog
fancy organizations end up registering illegal litters, and dogs.

I also think that the breed group should post on their site(s), those
breeders that the public shouldn't do business with, and to avoid,
when considering obtaining a GP, this goes for any other breed of
dog, and it's associated breed group representative organization.

If you want to prevent these situations from happening, it is best to
inform the public, and others who would have an interest in GP's, or
any other breed of dog. Doing so would help to weed out those who
would do the breed, and the breed organizations harm by ruining their
reputation, care of, and true interest in promoting not only quality
dogs, puppies, but also quality breeders.

It amazed me, but didn't surprise me to see just how quickly the GP
found itself on rescue/shelter sites on the net. The only way this
could happen is because dogs are not being either picked up by, or
returned to the original breeder, for whatever reason, and or, the
rescue associated with that breed. If a reputable breeder is informed
of a dog that needs to be returned to them, they should make all
efforts to get that dog back.

Sadly, I think the price of these dogs is also an issue, and is very
tempting to those who would simply breed these dogs repeatedly for
financial profit, with no thought to the temperment, conformation,
and quality of the dog. Again, leaving unsuspecting buyers, and
adopters to end up with dogs with behavior, and medical issues.

If you want to hurt the breed, and the organizations that represent
them, all it would take is for a few bad apples (bad breeders), to
exploit these dogs in the name of profit only, and that would put an
end to the GP in the hearts, and minds of those interested in
showing, buying, and adopting this breed.

Those of you who are responsible, should let your voices be heard,
and inform the public (on line if needed), of those who would hurt
your reputations, and your efforts to promote the breed.

Look at the breeds that have already suffered, Pit Bull, Rotties,
Dobermans, etc... When does it stop?!...

After my own experience, I could not in good conscience advise anyone
to seek out a GP. I regret to have to say this but, who could I trust
to be a reputable breeder, to give a referral too?... Who could I in
the GP world give as a referral to someone interested in obtaining a
GP that I could feel comfortable with, in knowing they are a
reputable breeder, and only show, breed, and raise well adjusted,
healthy dogs, and puppies?...

There has been an explosion in dog rescues/shelters popping up all
over. There is a serious problem here, and something needs to be done
to prevent the need for dog rescues/shelters in the first place. It
is bad enough the BRB's, and those who refuse to spay, and neuter
their dogs end up filling up these rescues/shelters. It is another
when you see purebred's from so called reputable breeders ending up
in these places as well. I've now started to see GP mixes appearing
on these sites, which shows a complete lack of responsibility on both
the original breeder, and the owner. If you spay/neuter before
you "sell", a puppy, you won't contribute to this problem. I would
also suggest that all puppies, and dogs be spayed/neutered prior to
adoptions as well. The only ones who should be obtaining un fixed
puppies, and dogs are those who intend to show, or have an extensive
contract regarding any future breeding of the dog.

I am also concerned about something I witnessed personally, when I
obtained my second dog. I witnessed a Doberman Female in an outdoor
kennel with 2 males breeding. How are you going to know who the true
sire is, never mind the public very possibly getting a puppy that
wasn't even sired by the adult male dog indicated on it's papers!...
Is the public, and other breeders going to have to demand DNA testing
to prove paternity of their puppies, and dogs?!... It is truly insane
the exploitation that is going on in the dog fancy world.

In the end those who suffer are the dogs, the unsuspecting new owners
who obtained a GP, and those in the organization who are
truly "reputable"...

As for the dogs out there now. Maybe what needs to happen is the
creation of Dog Rehabilitation Centers, instead of merely rescues,
and shelters. The number one reason most dogs are given up to
shelters, and rescues, are behavior issues.

I think that the dog fancy also has a responsibility here too.
Reading the standard (AKC),on the GP, I found it shocking that dog on
dog aggression was not considered a "Fault"!...

Who in their right mind is going to knowingly buy, or adopt a dog
that has been bred to be dog aggressive, just because it's physical
conformation is good!... The liability, and costs associated with
this negative trait are very expensive, not including the emotional
trauma, and cost to the dog, and dog owners, who's dogs have become
victims of attack by dogs that were bred that were known to be dog
aggressive. It isn't a far leap, that a dog that is aggressive toward
other dogs, can easily become aggressive with humans as well. I would
think that it could easily come back to the breeder in the form of
lawsuits. That they knowingly sold aggressive dogs, and puppies. I
can imagine how that would turn out in court.

Again, the one who truly pays the price is the dog, because they are
the ones to find themselves euthanized, and in the end what was the
point here... What was the point in breeding dogs known to be
aggressive to then give life to puppies, that will carry on that bad
trait, only to find themselves eventually euthanized before their
time, and a traumatized owner?...

Unfortunately, unless those within these breed organizations, and dog
fancy organizations take these issues more seriously, dogs will
continue to suffer, and die, and the reputation of the breed
organization will be destroyed. It is easy to lose a reputation, it
is extremely difficult to earn it back...