I believe Eric Stewart had plans of trying to build a red Giant but I don't know
if he ever carried them out.  If I remember correctly, he was interested in
crossing a red NZ with a Giant or German angora.  Why don't you ask him the next
time you bump into him?

Also, there were breeders in the Oregon/Washington state area working on them. 
Can't remember who.

Christine

On 17 Nov 2009 at 4:02, Dustin Maschino wrote:

If there is anyone out there working on Red or Fawn Giants I would love to
speak to them!  It is not the easiest color to breed for.

Hey Dustin,   Rosalie Truong in Saint Louis is just beginning to work on a
red or fawn hybrid.    She has both German and purebred Giants.   I've
been to her place and she has gorgeous rabbits.   I'm sure she would love
to hear from you.   Her website is below:

http://www.exquisitelyangora.com/Exquisitely_Angora/Welcome.html

cheers, denise in kansas
 

Heather, I think you are misreading our comments.  I know I wasn't worked up and
I don't think anyone else was, either.

Forgive me if I didn't answer you directly.  The answer is Yes, the winners were
pure German and had no Giant (of any kind blood) in them, at least not since
importation to North America.  I guess I am guilty of giving you too much
information.

The standards for the German and the Giant are somewhat different as you would
expect and not all rabbits meet their respective standards.  Weight is not
really a distinguishing factor between the two breeds.  There are low-weight
animals in both and some nice, hefty specimens in both.  Weights are basically
similar.

Probably ideal body type is the biggest difference.

Most Germans are white although black has recently been allowed with the 2006
importation of black angoras from Germany.  This means, of course, that other
colors pop out breeding those blacks to whites.

Only white is allowed in Giants for registration, although there have been
blacks in the past and there may be some out there, still. And, other colors.  I
know  of a couple of people who were working on reds in the past.

It's easy to get copies of both standards if you want them.

No question honestly asked is stirring things up.

To put things in perspective, I think there were only 10 Giants entered at
Convention, four of which were Pat Duggan's.  I believe all the others were pure
Germans.

One reason for the poor showing in numbers was having the convention on the west
coast.  Mid-country conventions draw the biggest number of entries.

Christine

--- In giantangoras@yahoogroups.com, "HKnisley" <hknisley2000@...> wrote:
>
> Look, I didn't mean to stir up the same old argument.  And maybe I didn't
phrase my question right?

Look, I didn't mean to stir up the same old argument.  And maybe I didn't phrase
my question right?

Setting aside the idea that the bloodlines are so mixed now that it is
impossible to tell the difference.....

I AGREE that all Giants are Germans, but NOT all Germans are Giants.  SO, that
said, I'm assuming when you say they were Germans, that they are of strictly
purebred German lines and not from Giant lines that have been created by
breeding Germans with other breeds, like Flemish Giant.

I don't have any idea what the standards are like, and I know there has been a
ton of controversy over that, but one would expect the standard for a Giant to
be different than the standard for a German.  Although from what I gather that
is not the case.  For example, I would expect a Giant to be bigger than a
German.  I would expect Germans to have color and Giants to be white.  And so
forth.

Again, I didn't mean to get everyone worked up.  :)

Heather



--- In giantangoras@yahoogroups.com, "HKnisley" <hknisley2000@...> wrote:
>
> So does that mean that the winners were pure German and didn't have any Giant
Angora or other giant breed in them?
>
>
> Thanks!
> Heather Bice
>
> --- In giantangoras@yahoogroups.com, "jgruber1108" <jansgiants@> wrote:
> >
> > http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/germanangora/
> >
> > There is an avid discussion going on RIGHT NOW about what makes a German
Angora good vs what does not. Since the German Angora and the Giant Angora are
directly and exorbitantly linked, please join the group and make your feelings
known.
> >
> > Just FYI, the recent winners in the ARBA Convention for Giant Angoras were
German Angoras!!!
> >
>

Rose,
The health is the thing I started talking about back in 2ooo when I started
first got the Germans and Giants. We owned and tried breeding these sweet
rabbits for a very long time.(9 years) The other breeds of Angoras we had here
(French and English)in cages right next to the Germans and Giants had babies and
no health problems. The Germans and Giants had lots of problems with their
teeth, feet, not wanting to eat and not having babies. I also lost them to any
corn in the feed. In my area it is VERY hard to find rabbit feed that doesn't
have some corn in it.
I would LOVE to come up with a German/Giant that had the qualities that my
French have. Even with cross breeding I have not had much luck with the health
of the crosses. The few Angoras I keep now are mostly crosses, but a high % of
French.
I want to wish those that are getting German and Giant babies luck in keeping
the breeds alive!!! I will go back to watching from my fire proof suit!
Sally F.

--- In giantangoras@yahoogroups.com, Rose Hembrook <stinknrose111@...> wrote:
>
> It does not matter what you call them . . .German - Giant its a dying breed.
How many were entered at the San Diego Convention 2009?  And how many at the
ARBA Convention in 2008?
>  
> Why so few people keeping "Giants" "Germans"?  I don't know. I love my Giant
German Buns. I would rather have them than any other Rabbit including English
Angora.
>  
> Something turns people away from the Giant German Rabbits. I sell 10 English
to 2 Giant Germans. When I deliver an English I bring a long a Giant German and
people are amazed when they see them. Most people have the idea that a Giant is
a monster.
> They  are amazed when they see this "sweet big fluffy bunny" and then they
want them.
>  
> Just a Note of the German - Giant Breed:
>  I have both German and Giants. I see a difference  in the two in their body
characteristics:
> For example, Germans 100 % -- shorter legs, big head furniture, much more
wool, more cottony wool than silky wool, long bodies, big baby like face.
>  
> Giants shorter body, round big butts like a meat rabbit -  easier to put on
weight. Bigger bones and body structure. Less facial furniture, more silker
wool, more narrow head structure. Just some basic differences I have noticed.
All in all ABRA classifies Giant / German as one-in-all. If you talk to a German
Breeder they do not see them as one-in-the-same. Just ask the Director over
there in Indiana she will be happy to read from her bible the Giant - German
difference.
>  
> In sum. . . .I would like to see the "Giant - Germans" grow in numbers across
the USA.
>  
> Sincerely,
> Rose  PS:  Hope I did not offend anyone. . .just my opinion.
>
> --- On Sun, 11/15/09, jgruber1108 <jansgiants@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: jgruber1108 <jansgiants@...>
> Subject: [giantangoras] Re: German Angoras
> To: giantangoras@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Sunday, November 15, 2009, 3:24 PM
>
>
>  
>
>
>
> WELL SAID CHRISTINE!!!
>
> Janet
>
> --- In giantangoras@ yahoogroups. com, "csfoliver" <thetwors@ .> wrote:
> >
> > Oh, heavens, I'm just having a little fun......
> >
> > ...but to answer your question, the Giant was developed by Louise Walsh of
Massachusetts. The rabbits as approved by the ARBA as a breed to be known as
Giant angora were a cross (mix) of angora rabbits from Germany where they are
NOT known as German angoras, just angoras, and have been bred for many
generations with occasional throw-ins of other breeds of rabbits to produce
their rabbits of today, many of which are quite awesome and a bunch of which
have been imported to North America by Leslie Samson and friends (Susan Wiley,
etc.),who dubbed them German angoras. Got that?
> >
> > What were those angora rabbits from Germany crossed with? My understanding
from speaking to Louise is she crossed them with French Lops and Flemish Giants
to get size/weight on them in order to put them in a different weight class from
English angoras. You see, the rabbits Louise had were not as large as today's
Germans and they were not distinguishable from EA on the show table and showing,
or the fancy, is what the ARBA is all about.
> >
> > So, why do I say Giants are Germans? Well, I have to say I believe MOST
Giants are Germans since the original gene pool was so small that it's naive to
believe that what is known today as the Giant angora is descended strictly from
them. Plus, it is well-known that over the intervening years since the approval
of the Giants, there have been many importations of rabbits from Germany and
other European countries that have been bred with the original Giants. So, how
much of the original Giant angora blood is there even in those from the original
stock? Very little, infinitesimal, from what I can glean. I acknowledge that
there may be a small herd here and there with a larger percentage of the
original bloodlines, but, by and large, what is out there is not 100% from that
stock. Bear in mind this goes back over 20 years!
> >
> > My belief, and I could be all wet, is that almost all Giants, pedigreed
Giants included, are mostly if not entirely descended from angora rabbits from
Germany and have little to none of the original cross-blood in them. It only
makes sense.
> >
> > Now, none of this prevents rabbits from having an entirely Giant pedigree
because #1 the ARBA accepts rabbits for breed registration with original
crosses/breeds OFF THE 3-GENERATION PEDIGREE, by definition, and #2 this system
is entirely on the honor system and #3 there is no way to prove what breed a
rabbit is as breed is entirely phenotypic and not genotypic, ie. there is no
genetic test that will distinguish one breed from another, only the appearance
of the rabbit.
> >
> > So, while a rabbit may have a Giant pedigree, that does not mean that it
isn't a full-blooded German. A person purchasing a Giant has no way of knowing.
It would take a whole lot of back-tracking to prove what's what. Personally, I
think it would be pointless activity.
> >
> > This was all a political pissing contest and the bad blood, or pee, is still
flowing. Forgive my vulgarity. That's my story and I'm sticking to it. :-)
> >
> > Christine
> >
>

Christine:
I finally get it!!!
I don't mind a difference of opinion. That's what makes new ideas flow. We can
learn from our and and others mistakes and actually "improve" from the mistakes
without repeating them. Plus some darn good new ideas can develop. (Having
raised 5 kids, I might do it differently in my next life! smile).

Just a newbie request that some of us are just learning and appreciate "just the
facts Mam" and then any comments or critique.  That would help alot for us to
sort out all the information.

As for me, I'm heading out to the barn to let my bunnies know they are GREAT and
I'm blessed to have 'em.

Good day to all.
Jackie
---- csfoliver <thetwors@...> wrote:
> Oh, heavens, I'm just having a little fun......
>
> ...but to answer your question, the Giant was developed by Louise Walsh of
Massachusetts.  The rabbits as approved by the ARBA as a breed to be known as
Giant angora were a cross (mix) of angora rabbits from Germany where they are
NOT known as German angoras, just angoras, and have been bred for many
generations with occasional throw-ins of other breeds of rabbits to produce
their rabbits of today, many of which are quite awesome and a bunch of which
have been imported to North America by Leslie Samson and friends (Susan Wiley,
etc.),who dubbed them German angoras.  Got that?
>
> What were those angora rabbits from Germany crossed with?  My understanding
from speaking to Louise is she crossed them with French Lops and Flemish Giants
to get size/weight on them in order to put them in a different weight class from
English angoras.  You see, the rabbits Louise had were not as large as today's
Germans and they were not distinguishable from EA on the show table and showing,
or the fancy, is what the ARBA is all about.
>
> So, why do I say Giants are Germans?  Well, I have to say I believe MOST
Giants are Germans since the original gene pool was so small that it's naive to
believe that what is known today as the Giant angora is descended strictly from
them.  Plus, it is well-known that over the intervening years since the approval
of the Giants, there have been many importations of rabbits from Germany and
other European countries that have been bred with the original Giants.  So, how
much of the original Giant angora blood is there even in those from the original
stock?  Very little, infinitesimal, from what I can glean.  I acknowledge that
there may be a small herd here and there with a larger percentage of the
original bloodlines, but, by and large, what is out there is not 100% from that
stock.  Bear in mind this goes back over 20 years!
>
> My belief, and I could be all wet, is that almost all Giants, pedigreed Giants
included, are mostly if not entirely descended from angora rabbits from Germany
and have little to none of the original cross-blood in them.  It only makes
sense.
>
> Now, none of this prevents rabbits from having an entirely Giant pedigree
because #1 the ARBA accepts rabbits for breed registration with original
crosses/breeds OFF THE 3-GENERATION PEDIGREE, by definition, and #2 this system
is entirely on the honor system and #3 there is no way to prove what breed a
rabbit is as breed is entirely phenotypic and not genotypic, ie. there is no
genetic test that will distinguish one breed from another, only the appearance
of the rabbit.
>
> So, while a rabbit may have a Giant pedigree, that does not mean that it isn't
a full-blooded German.  A person purchasing a Giant has no way of knowing.  It
would take a whole lot of back-tracking to prove what's what.  Personally, I
think it would be pointless activity.
>
> This was all a political pissing contest and the bad blood, or pee, is still
flowing.  Forgive my vulgarity.  That's my story and I'm sticking to it. :-)
>
> Christine
>
>
>
>

WELL SAID CHRISTINE!!!

Janet

--- In giantangoras@yahoogroups.com, "csfoliver" <thetwors@...> wrote:
>
> Oh, heavens, I'm just having a little fun......
>
> ...but to answer your question, the Giant was developed by Louise Walsh of
Massachusetts.  The rabbits as approved by the ARBA as a breed to be known as
Giant angora were a cross (mix) of angora rabbits from Germany where they are
NOT known as German angoras, just angoras, and have been bred for many
generations with occasional throw-ins of other breeds of rabbits to produce
their rabbits of today, many of which are quite awesome and a bunch of which
have been imported to North America by Leslie Samson and friends (Susan Wiley,
etc.),who dubbed them German angoras.  Got that?
>
> What were those angora rabbits from Germany crossed with?  My understanding
from speaking to Louise is she crossed them with French Lops and Flemish Giants
to get size/weight on them in order to put them in a different weight class from
English angoras.  You see, the rabbits Louise had were not as large as today's
Germans and they were not distinguishable from EA on the show table and showing,
or the fancy, is what the ARBA is all about.
>
> So, why do I say Giants are Germans?  Well, I have to say I believe MOST
Giants are Germans since the original gene pool was so small that it's naive to
believe that what is known today as the Giant angora is descended strictly from
them.  Plus, it is well-known that over the intervening years since the approval
of the Giants, there have been many importations of rabbits from Germany and
other European countries that have been bred with the original Giants.  So, how
much of the original Giant angora blood is there even in those from the original
stock?  Very little, infinitesimal, from what I can glean.  I acknowledge that
there may be a small herd here and there with a larger percentage of the
original bloodlines, but, by and large, what is out there is not 100% from that
stock.  Bear in mind this goes back over 20 years!
>
> My belief, and I could be all wet, is that almost all Giants, pedigreed Giants
included, are mostly if not entirely descended from angora rabbits from Germany
and have little to none of the original cross-blood in them.  It only makes
sense.
>
> Now, none of this prevents rabbits from having an entirely Giant pedigree
because #1 the ARBA accepts rabbits for breed registration with original
crosses/breeds OFF THE 3-GENERATION PEDIGREE, by definition, and #2 this system
is entirely on the honor system and #3 there is no way to prove what breed a
rabbit is as breed is entirely phenotypic and not genotypic, ie. there is no
genetic test that will distinguish one breed from another, only the appearance
of the rabbit.
>
> So, while a rabbit may have a Giant pedigree, that does not mean that it isn't
a full-blooded German.  A person purchasing a Giant has no way of knowing.  It
would take a whole lot of back-tracking to prove what's what.  Personally, I
think it would be pointless activity.
>
> This was all a political pissing contest and the bad blood, or pee, is still
flowing.  Forgive my vulgarity.  That's my story and I'm sticking to it. :-)
>
> Christine
>

Thanks, Sally! I'll do my best!

Janet

--- In giantangoras@yahoogroups.com, "luckyharesrabbitry"
<luckyharesrabbitry@...> wrote:
>
> Linda"
> I agree about the bravery!!
> This conflict (and connection)between the Germans and the Giants is partly why
I no longer show or even have a large herd of rabbits.
> This thread can get VERY nasty when you are "talking" to some of the German
breeders. When I started to talk about the health and breeding problems about
both breeds I was attacked and accoused of not taking care of my rabbits
correctly instead of looking at the breeds. This is why I left the German group
and club too. I have stayed on this list with the hope that the same thing would
not happen here. I guess it is up to you Janet to keep that from happening!
> Just my 2 cents worth!
> Sally F.
>
> >
> > Ooh, you ARE feeling Brave, today!
> >
> > I think that it would be safer to say that all Giants are mostly (even,
sometimes 100%) German...
> >
> > Didn't Evergreen (who developed the Giants) mix anything else at all in?
> >
> > I just wish that they'd hurry up & Approve more Colors!
> >
> > Linda
> >
> > --- In giantangoras@yahoogroups.com, "csfoliver" <thetwors@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Okay, I will throw the grenade.  All Giants are Germans but not all
Germans are Giants.
> > >
> > > Christine
> > >
> > > --- In giantangoras@yahoogroups.com, "HKnisley" <hknisley2000@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > So does that mean that the winners were pure German and didn't have any
Giant Angora or other giant breed in them?
> > >
> >
>

Oh, heavens, I'm just having a little fun......

...but to answer your question, the Giant was developed by Louise Walsh of
Massachusetts.  The rabbits as approved by the ARBA as a breed to be known as
Giant angora were a cross (mix) of angora rabbits from Germany where they are
NOT known as German angoras, just angoras, and have been bred for many
generations with occasional throw-ins of other breeds of rabbits to produce
their rabbits of today, many of which are quite awesome and a bunch of which
have been imported to North America by Leslie Samson and friends (Susan Wiley,
etc.),who dubbed them German angoras.  Got that?

What were those angora rabbits from Germany crossed with?  My understanding from
speaking to Louise is she crossed them with French Lops and Flemish Giants to
get size/weight on them in order to put them in a different weight class from
English angoras.  You see, the rabbits Louise had were not as large as today's
Germans and they were not distinguishable from EA on the show table and showing,
or the fancy, is what the ARBA is all about.

So, why do I say Giants are Germans?  Well, I have to say I believe MOST Giants
are Germans since the original gene pool was so small that it's naive to believe
that what is known today as the Giant angora is descended strictly from them. 
Plus, it is well-known that over the intervening years since the approval of the
Giants, there have been many importations of rabbits from Germany and other
European countries that have been bred with the original Giants.  So, how much
of the original Giant angora blood is there even in those from the original
stock?  Very little, infinitesimal, from what I can glean.  I acknowledge that
there may be a small herd here and there with a larger percentage of the
original bloodlines, but, by and large, what is out there is not 100% from that
stock.  Bear in mind this goes back over 20 years!

My belief, and I could be all wet, is that almost all Giants, pedigreed Giants
included, are mostly if not entirely descended from angora rabbits from Germany
and have little to none of the original cross-blood in them.  It only makes
sense.

Now, none of this prevents rabbits from having an entirely Giant pedigree
because #1 the ARBA accepts rabbits for breed registration with original
crosses/breeds OFF THE 3-GENERATION PEDIGREE, by definition, and #2 this system
is entirely on the honor system and #3 there is no way to prove what breed a
rabbit is as breed is entirely phenotypic and not genotypic, ie. there is no
genetic test that will distinguish one breed from another, only the appearance
of the rabbit.

So, while a rabbit may have a Giant pedigree, that does not mean that it isn't a
full-blooded German.  A person purchasing a Giant has no way of knowing.  It
would take a whole lot of back-tracking to prove what's what.  Personally, I
think it would be pointless activity.

This was all a political pissing contest and the bad blood, or pee, is still
flowing.  Forgive my vulgarity.  That's my story and I'm sticking to it. :-)

Christine

I'm reading all the responses as a new rabbit learner. I have one question
please. Were the original German rabbits long haired or short haired?  I
understand the Giant Angora is a mix of the German Giant and an angora, but what
does the actual pure bred 100% German look like?  and was it actually a giant or
has that been a matter of selective breeding?
Just trying to understand the actual history so I can understand the
conversation going on here related to old lines vs. imported lines.  Plus I get
a tad confused- are "old lines" American lines or the actual original German
lines?  I take it imported are the 2002 and 2006 imported German lines.
Whew! It is very confusing for a newbie!
Thanks
Jackie
---- Linda <julittades@...> wrote:
> Ooh, you ARE feeling Brave, today!
>
> I think that it would be safer to say that all Giants are mostly (even,
sometimes 100%) German...
>
> Didn't Evergreen (who developed the Giants) mix anything else at all in?
>
> I just wish that they'd hurry up & Approve more Colors!
>
> Linda
>
> --- In giantangoras@yahoogroups.com, "csfoliver" <thetwors@...> wrote:
> >
> > Okay, I will throw the grenade.  All Giants are Germans but not all Germans
are Giants.
> >
> > Christine
> >
> > --- In giantangoras@yahoogroups.com, "HKnisley" <hknisley2000@> wrote:
> > >
> > > So does that mean that the winners were pure German and didn't have any
Giant Angora or other giant breed in them?
> >
>
>

Linda"
I agree about the bravery!!
This conflict (and connection)between the Germans and the Giants is partly why I
no longer show or even have a large herd of rabbits.
This thread can get VERY nasty when you are "talking" to some of the German
breeders. When I started to talk about the health and breeding problems about
both breeds I was attacked and accoused of not taking care of my rabbits
correctly instead of looking at the breeds. This is why I left the German group
and club too. I have stayed on this list with the hope that the same thing would
not happen here. I guess it is up to you Janet to keep that from happening!
Just my 2 cents worth!
Sally F.

>
> Ooh, you ARE feeling Brave, today!
>
> I think that it would be safer to say that all Giants are mostly (even,
sometimes 100%) German...
>
> Didn't Evergreen (who developed the Giants) mix anything else at all in?
>
> I just wish that they'd hurry up & Approve more Colors!
>
> Linda
>
> --- In giantangoras@yahoogroups.com, "csfoliver" <thetwors@> wrote:
> >
> > Okay, I will throw the grenade.  All Giants are Germans but not all Germans
are Giants.
> >
> > Christine
> >
> > --- In giantangoras@yahoogroups.com, "HKnisley" <hknisley2000@> wrote:
> > >
> > > So does that mean that the winners were pure German and didn't have any
Giant Angora or other giant breed in them?
> >
>

Ooh, you ARE feeling Brave, today!

I think that it would be safer to say that all Giants are mostly (even,
sometimes 100%) German...

Didn't Evergreen (who developed the Giants) mix anything else at all in?

I just wish that they'd hurry up & Approve more Colors!

Linda

--- In giantangoras@yahoogroups.com, "csfoliver" <thetwors@...> wrote:
>
> Okay, I will throw the grenade.  All Giants are Germans but not all Germans
are Giants.
>
> Christine
>
> --- In giantangoras@yahoogroups.com, "HKnisley" <hknisley2000@> wrote:
> >
> > So does that mean that the winners were pure German and didn't have any
Giant Angora or other giant breed in them?
>

Yes, Heather, that is correct.  :)

Janet

--- In giantangoras@yahoogroups.com, "HKnisley" <hknisley2000@...> wrote:
>
> So does that mean that the winners were pure German and didn't have any Giant
Angora or other giant breed in them?
>
>
> Thanks!
> Heather Bice
>

Huh? I thought it was the other way around...   :P

LOL!

Janet

--- In giantangoras@yahoogroups.com, "csfoliver" <thetwors@...> wrote:
>
> Okay, I will throw the grenade.  All Giants are Germans but not all Germans
are Giants.
>
> Christine
>
> --- In giantangoras@yahoogroups.com, "HKnisley" <hknisley2000@> wrote:
> >
> > So does that mean that the winners were pure German and didn't have any
Giant Angora or other giant breed in them?
>

Okay, I will throw the grenade.  All Giants are Germans but not all Germans are
Giants.

Christine

--- In giantangoras@yahoogroups.com, "HKnisley" <hknisley2000@...> wrote:
>
> So does that mean that the winners were pure German and didn't have any Giant
Angora or other giant breed in them?

So does that mean that the winners were pure German and didn't have any Giant
Angora or other giant breed in them?


Thanks!
Heather Bice

--- In giantangoras@yahoogroups.com, "jgruber1108" <jansgiants@...> wrote:
>
> http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/germanangora/
>
> There is an avid discussion going on RIGHT NOW about what makes a German
Angora good vs what does not. Since the German Angora and the Giant Angora are
directly and exorbitantly linked, please join the group and make your feelings
known.
>
> Just FYI, the recent winners in the ARBA Convention for Giant Angoras were
German Angoras!!!
>

www.freewebs.com/paigesdarnkuties/
wkramer@...  or  paigesdarnkuties@...

1- senior doe, proven, german angora, this rabbit gave 7 ounces of spinning wool
and 3 ounces of felting wool after about 120-130 days.  DOB 2/12/08, she does
have black in her pedigree and 2006 import lines BUT she has a broken tail and a
crooked leg. I am just selling her as a pet $75 with pedigree.

NO SHIPPING, she has about a 45 day coat growth right now.  We are located
between Madison and Milwaukee WI off of I-94.  SUPER great temperment.

http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/germanangora/

There is an avid discussion going on RIGHT NOW about what makes a German Angora
good vs what does not. Since the German Angora and the Giant Angora are directly
and exorbitantly linked, please join the group and make your feelings known.

Just FYI, the recent winners in the ARBA Convention for Giant Angoras were
German Angoras!!!

Hi Everyone,

     I would like to announce to all interested angora people that the United
Angora Rabbit Club (UARC) is once again holding an end of year Free Membership
Drive:).

      Due to the current state of the economy and the financial stress
experienced by many of our friends in the rabbit community, the UARC BOD has
decided to suspend membership fees until the end of 2009, and refund all
renewals for 2010 that have already been received.

      The UARC has hosted a large number of specialty shows over the past year
and expects to continue this trend through 2010 beginning with two specialties
at the PA Convention, and a greater involvement in Fiber shows and events
throughout the country.  Profits earned from these activities have enabled the
UARC to cover it's expenses without membership fees, though we continue to
encourage anyone with the ability to make donations to do so, or offer their
usual help with various club events and activities.

      The UARC offers an online sale page for Member use, a top-notch,
informative newsletter, a Sweeps program, and regular hosting for Specialty
shows and Fiber events anywhere in the US or Canada that any member may choose
to organize.  If you are interested in joining  UARC just visit the club website
at http://www.unitedangorarabbitclub.org/ and click 'Joining UARC' to fill out
your membership application.

      The UARC is composed of an extremely diverse and supportive group of people
whose sole objective is the advancement of the Angora rabbit in all it's forms
as a fiber, commercial, and exhibition animal.  Please peruse our website and
drop us a note.  We always look forward to hearing from you:).



Amy Spang
UARC President
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