Mike,

>>>to announce to the world that had aquired sick animals is just bad form,
shame on you.

I am not the one posting about her hamstery having Papova/Polyoma.  Jana is
the one who has been posting about it for months now on international boards.

http://www.petwebsite.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=44105&whichpage=2

http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/hamstersinfocus/message/2472

>>>She has been in quarantine for 6 months and working closely with her
Vet.  She has been Given the all clear by her vet to resume breeding.

Perhaps her vet has learned more than we know so far about the virus.  I know
many people would love to hear that information too.  Just in last month's SHC
journal (a BHA affiliate club), another member is writing about putting all
hamsters in her hamstery down due to the virus.  The virus is still moving
around even in places like Britain that have been battling this for years.

Please share if there is now more info which everyone should know.  The rest
of the world may still be in the dark about this disease, and we would
appreciate any information to help deal with this disease.

This is the article most commonly referenced.  You can read how difficult it
is to get rid of the disease.  This is from real experience in Britain and
from the research done at the time.  Like I said, if this research is dated
and we now have more, we need to share it.

http://www.geocities.com/calhamassoc/Polyoma.html

Linda


------ Original Message ------
Received: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 07:02:57 AM PDT
From: "Mike" <drdoolitel@...>
To: hamstergenetics@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [hamstergenetics] Re: Help me with suitable mating


   LInda why do you have to be so mean? Jana is one one of the best
people I have had pleasure to corrispond with, she kind, thoughtful and
cares a great deal about her animals( unlike some who are selfrightous
and arrogant).
   to announce to the world that had aquired sick animals is just bad
form, shame on you.
   She has been in quarantine for 6 months and working closely with her
Vet.  She has been Given the all clear by her vet to resume breeding.
    Don't go compairing her to the delmation Man..She is a far better
person then Most of you on this list and other list on yahoo.

Michael



--- In hamstergenetics@yahoogroups.com, "Linda Price" <lindaprice@...>
wrote:
>
> >>>What is your advice to breed her with? She will arive to my
hamstery
> for breeding on Saturday 1.9. and I was asked to choose for her the
> best male. But I am a little helpless.
>
> But you have Polyoma/Papova at your hamstery.  Are you breeding in
spite of
> the virus?
> Linda
>

--- In hamstergenetics@yahoogroups.com, "Mike" <drdoolitel@...>
wrote:

>   LInda why do you have to be so mean? Jana is one one of the best
> people I have had pleasure to corrispond with, she kind,
thoughtful and
> cares a great deal about her animals( unlike some who are
selfrightous
> and arrogant).

Thank you so much, Mike :-). I am glad to hear another opinion from
the USA.

>   She has been in quarantine for 6 months and working closely with
her
> Vet.  She has been Given the all clear by her vet to resume
breeding.

Yes, I consulted all.

>    Don't go compairing her to the delmation Man..She is a far
better
> person then Most of you on this list and other list on yahoo.

Probably yes...

Thanks Jana

--- In hamstergenetics@yahoogroups.com, "Linda Price"
<lindaprice@...> wrote:
> What are you saying you're thorough in?  Further spreading the
virus?
> Lengthening the quarantine time for your entire hamstery when no
animals
> should leave?

Well, Linda. Don't judge me if you don't know me, my hamsters, my
hamstery and all about previous quarantine I did etc. I am daring to
tell I know more about HaPV then anybody of you breeders from the
USA.

> I guess I'm not seeing how you are any different than
the "dalmation man" who
> you have openly criticized.
> Linda

That's sad you are comparing me to Dalmatian man after all that I
know and wrote about him. He would be happy to hear you... But I
can't change your opinion.

Jana

LInda why do you have to be so mean? Jana is one one of the best
people I have had pleasure to corrispond with, she kind, thoughtful and
cares a great deal about her animals( unlike some who are selfrightous
and arrogant).
   to announce to the world that had aquired sick animals is just bad
form, shame on you.
   She has been in quarantine for 6 months and working closely with her
Vet.  She has been Given the all clear by her vet to resume breeding.
    Don't go compairing her to the delmation Man..She is a far better
person then Most of you on this list and other list on yahoo.

Michael



--- In hamstergenetics@yahoogroups.com, "Linda Price" <lindaprice@...>
wrote:
>
> >>>What is your advice to breed her with? She will arive to my
hamstery
> for breeding on Saturday 1.9. and I was asked to choose for her the
> best male. But I am a little helpless.
>
> But you have Polyoma/Papova at your hamstery.  Are you breeding in
spite of
> the virus?
> Linda
>

--- In hamstergenetics@yahoogroups.com, "Linda Price" <lindaprice@...>
wrote:
>>> But you have Polyoma/Papova at your hamstery.  Are you breeding in
spite of the virus?
>>> Linda

>Yes, of course! And I am very thorough in these things.
>Jana

What are you saying you're thorough in?  Further spreading the virus?
Lengthening the quarantine time for your entire hamstery when no animals
should leave?

I guess I'm not seeing how you are any different than the "dalmation man" who
you have openly criticized.
Linda

--- In hamstergenetics@yahoogroups.com, "Linda Price" <lindaprice@...>
wrote:
> But you have Polyoma/Papova at your hamstery.  Are you breeding in
spite of
> the virus?
> Linda

Yes, of course! And I am very thorough in these things.
Jana

>>>What is your advice to breed her with? She will arive to my hamstery
for breeding on Saturday 1.9. and I was asked to choose for her the
best male. But I am a little helpless.

But you have Polyoma/Papova at your hamstery.  Are you breeding in spite of
the virus?
Linda

Hi,
I added these photos of female Alžbětka - we don't exactly know what
colour and pattern is she.
http://pets.ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/hamstergenetics/photos/browse/59d
d
What is your advice to breed her with? She will arive to my hamstery
for breeding on Saturday 1.9. and I was asked to choose for her the
best male. But I am a little helpless.
Thanks for all help.
Hi Jana

Hi all,
I found this interesting link about reproduction basics in mammals.
http://www.talbotcentral.ucr.edu/AAA_03C_research.html
This could interest somebody.
Jana

--- In hamstergenetics@yahoogroups.com, "Kenneth" <soskenneth@...>
wrote:
> There has been many papers on hamster genetics in The Journal of
Heredity, but I can only recall one of them with photos of hairs in
the microscope. I will find it, scan the paper and send it to you as
pdf-file.

Hi Kenneth,
thanks for your help, that's great! I am looking forward to see it!
Jana

Hi Jana

There has been many papers on hamster genetics in The Journal of Heredity, but I
can only recall one of them with photos of hairs in the microscope. I will find
it, scan the paper and send it to you as pdf-file.

Kenneth

--- In hamstergenetics@yahoogroups.com, "Mike" <drdoolitel@...> wrote:
>
>   I guess the first question is what are you looking to compare?
> their has been a lot of research done on Hamster Hairs in the past,
> good source of information is the journal of heredity.
>    Are you looking to compair the hair structures them selves, which
> will be different in the hair type mutations, or are you looking to
> compair the Color pigmentations?
>
>
> Mike

Hi Mike,
I am looking for both. I saw some few hairs today at my friend's
microscope and it really took me in! I am looking for to see more.
Do you know in which number/numbers of Journal of heredity was it
included? Any complete one? I think you must pay for it to read some
infos isn't it so? Can you send me link to?
Thanks for help Jana

--- In hamstergenetics@yahoogroups.com, "Mike" <drdoolitel@...> wrote:
>
>   I guess the first question is what are you looking to compare?
> their has been a lot of research done on Hamster Hairs in the past,
> good source of information is the journal of heredity.
>    Are you looking to compair the hair structures them selves, which
> will be different in the hair type mutations, or are you looking to
> compair the Color pigmentations?
>
>
> Mike

Hi Mike,
I am looking for both. I saw some few hairs today at my friend's
microscope and it really took me in! I am looking for to see more.
Do you know in which number/numbers of Journal of heredity was it
included? Any complete one? I think you must pay for it to read some
infos isn't it so? Can you send me link to?
Thanks for help Jana

I guess the first question is what are you looking to compare?
their has been a lot of research done on Hamster Hairs in the past,
good source of information is the journal of heredity.
    Are you looking to compair the hair structures them selves, which
will be different in the hair type mutations, or are you looking to
compair the Color pigmentations?


Mike



--- In hamstergenetics@yahoogroups.com, TheRiverRd@... wrote:
>
> In a message dated 10/18/00 3:33:59 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> dajones@... writes:
>
> > If I'm going to do comparative hair sampling I'll probably need
to wait for
> > my own microscope to get here.  I'm sure it will handle the task
as it is a
> > phase contrast oil type that will magnify to X1000.  I can get
some friends
> > to look at samples at the University but it might be best to
collect a
> > library of hair and catalogue each at a specific magnification.
> >
> >  The good thing is that my other hobby is video,  I have some
profession
> > video equipment with which I can document each sample to a
storable image
> > file.
>
> Doran,
>
> If you can do this, it would be terrific.  I bet Kenneth can tell
you what to
> look for.  Is there any chance you can take photos through the
scope?  We
> could put it on a web page, and I would be happy to help.
>
> Jan
>

--- In hamstergenetics@yahoogroups.com, TheRiverRd@... wrote:
>
> In a message dated 10/18/00 3:33:59 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> dajones@... writes:
>
> > If I'm going to do comparative hair sampling I'll probably need
to wait for
> > my own microscope to get here.  I'm sure it will handle the task
as it is a
> > phase contrast oil type that will magnify to X1000.> Doran,
>
> If you can do this, it would be terrific.  I bet Kenneth can tell
you what to
> look for.  Is there any chance you can take photos through the
scope?  We
> could put it on a web page, and I would be happy to help.


Hi Kenneth,
I am going to look to microscope for some Syrian coat colours, what
should I look for?
Jana

Never mind. Czech Republic is very small republic in Europe. I don't
know all your states in USA too.
I am very interested in your research in Campbells.
Jana

tht should have been czech republic..sorry

--- In hamstergenetics@yahoogroups.com, Jana Svobodová
<riky2005riky@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Mike,
> did you get those Longhaired Campbells? What do you mean is Chec
> Republic? Where is it?
> Post some pics of them, please!
> Hi Jana
>

I Have been trying to post but it has been getting bunched back to my
Mail.

   AS we thought might be the case the LongHaired Campbells have turn
out to be Satins. Very disapointing to us indeed. so its Back to
waiting..

Mike

Hi Mike,
did you get those Longhaired Campbells? What do you mean is Chec
Republic? Where is it?
Post some pics of them, please!
Hi Jana

Hi Mike,

Any updates on the Long Haired Campbells?

Regards
Justina

--- In hamstergenetics@yahoogroups.com, "Mike" <drdoolitel@...> wrote:
>
>
>    Recently Received a List that had Long haired Campbells on it.
This
> list comes from an importer/dealer, He Inports a lot from the Chec
> Republic and Europe.
>
>    I am thinking these might actually be satins..But one never knows
> soon as they arive I will up date here. If they are indeed Long
Haired
> I will post some pics.
>
> Mike
>

Recently Received a List that had Long haired Campbells on it.  This
list comes from an importer/dealer, He Inports a lot from the Chec
Republic and Europe.

    I am thinking these might actually be satins..But one never knows
soon as they arive I will up date here. If they are indeed Long Haired
I will post some pics.

Mike

Feeling the need to bring in some new blood both in Syrian and in
Campbells.

     Looking for Fancy hamsters that have do not carry black, yellow or
Ed. Would especially like to locate some of the silvers/grays/and
Recessive dappled
     In Campbells looking for most anything, Especially Mottled and
Satins. I would prefure animals that do not have the Umbrouse in the
back ground.

      I can also use new blood in my winter whites, Roborvski and
chinese lines.

      I am located in Maine but willing to travel new England and
further on the east cost, also will ing to pay shipping cost ( depends
on the quality of animals and colors)

       Please Email me off List at Drdoolitel@...   Thanks Mike

Thanks  Kenneth
     I think i will test mate mom  to a cream to see what i get in the
next litter, and the dad i will mate up to a Calico and work from
there. Iit will be interesting to see what I get
   Again Thanks for the input.


--- In hamstergenetics@yahoogroups.com, "Kenneth" <soskenneth@...>
wrote:
>
> >     I just up loaded what i hope is a better pic of the mother. I
can
> > say for sure she is not  a torti or calico I have these..
actually she
> > they remind me of Nutmeg in Gerbils. as the ticking on the coat
came in
> > as she got older, seems the older she gets the more ticking she
has.
> >     The look is not as dark on the male I think this could be due
to
> > him having the teddy coat and there for more of the under coat
shows.
> >     I have been pulling these out as they show up in the litters
> > including this litter I now have about 2o  of this color.
> >     I just have to figure out what they are.
>
> Hi Mike
>
> I have to give up on it, but your guess about umbrous could
probably still
> hold. The underfur seems lighter with just darker guard hairs.
>
> Kenneth
>

>     I just up loaded what i hope is a better pic of the mother. I can
> say for sure she is not  a torti or calico I have these.. actually she
> they remind me of Nutmeg in Gerbils. as the ticking on the coat came in
> as she got older, seems the older she gets the more ticking she has.
>     The look is not as dark on the male I think this could be due to
> him having the teddy coat and there for more of the under coat shows.
>     I have been pulling these out as they show up in the litters
> including this litter I now have about 2o  of this color.
>     I just have to figure out what they are.

Hi Mike

I have to give up on it, but your guess about umbrous could probably still
hold. The underfur seems lighter with just darker guard hairs.

Kenneth

Thanks Kenneth
     I just up loaded what i hope is a better pic of the mother. I can
say for sure she is not  a torti or calico I have these.. actually she
they remind me of Nutmeg in Gerbils. as the ticking on the coat came in
as she got older, seems the older she gets the more ticking she has.
     The look is not as dark on the male I think this could be due to
him having the teddy coat and there for more of the under coat shows.
     I have been pulling these out as they show up in the litters
including this litter I now have about 2o  of this color.
     I just have to figure out what they are.
   Mike

>    I have also up loaded some pics of syrian hamsters that i can't
> figure out the color of,  there are pics of mom, dad and the litter.
>
>  My thoughts are that these might be black yellows or unbrous
> yellows..  I know a pic is not the same as seeing the animals in
> person but any possable id is better them my guessing..
>  I can tell you the parents started out light like the babies and
> darkened up withthe ticking as they got older..

Hi Mike

It IS difficult to tell from pics, especially with such colours. And the
sunlight/shade in some of the pictures doesn't help.

Daddy could be umbrous/dark agouti/maybe umbrous yellow (haven't seen that
colour before). The belly colour should tell if he is umbrous or not (darker
grey than normal).

In picture 3 mom looks a little spotted, suggesting a tortie of some kind.
She doesn't look to be "blackish" ruling out yellow black.

Kenneth

seems this list has been quit for a while, some of you may know
that I was in an auto accdent  at the end of May of last year, which
forced me to reduce and to stop breeding . But after 9 months, two
hand surgeries, and OT I am now back and starting to breed again.

  I would like to aquire some quality stock, specially looking for
silvers, grays, RD, and rust to work with for a while.  Also looking
for quality Campbells.

   I have no troubles with traveling on the east cost to pic up
animals if need be.

    I have also up loaded some pics of syrian hamsters that i can't
figure out the color of,  there are pics of mom, dad and the litter.

  My thoughts are that these might be black yellows or unbrous
yellows..  I know a pic is not the same as seeing the animals in
person but any possable id is better them my guessing..
  I can tell you the parents started out light like the babies and
darkened up withthe ticking as they got older..

Good to be back .. Mike

New here. I just thought that this would be a cool group to join!

I have decided to stop breeding syrian hamsters..I have around 100
females and 25 males of diffrent variaties.. if interested email me off
list please..replies to the list will not be answered.. Email is
Drdoolitel@...