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Well, Sunday night Pickle went down again with a mega
hypp attack. This time he was down for over 4 hours.I started out
giving him Karo, sugar syrup, and calcium gel (plain w/o K). Gave
that several tries and an hour later he's still flat out. He could
still move one front leg and was perfectly able to bang his head on
the ground until he had his front teeth bloodied but the rest of him
was absolutely paralyzed. I had 3 liters of fluids w/5% dextrose and
some injectable calcium on hand for just such an event so I set the
catheter and gave every drop of every thing we had available. He
showed absolutely no improvement so I got back on the phone and had
my vet come out with more fluids. She gave him 3 more bags plus some
more calcium which was all she had in the truck and then went back to
the clinic to gather more supplies. Thank God, by the time she got
back in approx 20 minutes, Pickle was finally on his feet. This
attack was really weird though, because instead of seeing the tremors
sort of fade away when he got up, they just kept going for another
hour or so, even though we hooked him up with even more dextrose
solution and walked him constantly. Eventually, at 3:30am I was able
to tuck him in for the night. I think he rested better than I
did, 'cause I was up every hour on the hour until feeding time at 7am
checking on my boy.
This was the first attack in right at a month, and the first since he
started acetazolamide 1250mg BID. He is also on ranitidine for
suspected ulcers 3600mg BID. He has not actually been scoped but
after starting the ranitidine, his appetite definitely improved. He
had been doing so well on the acetazolamide that I was beginning to
think about putting him back to work. At this point though, I'm not
sure he's stable enough to chance it. I have sent feed and hay
samples in to a lab for analysis, but that probably won't be back for
a couple of weeks. He's currently eating Buckeye training formula
(.9% K) mixed with oats to help average down the K. He absolutely
refuses to eat plain oats and will actually go "hungry" for days to
avoid them. His hay is alfalfa with some grass flakes tossed in to
give him something to munch on 24/7 because of the ulcer problem. I
don't want his tummy being empty at any time. He's turned out a
minimum of 2 hours daily but usually 6-8 hours unless it's pouring
down a cold rain here (he's under lights and so has no winter woolies
to guard against it).

I am really hoping that something shows up amis in the hay analysis.
I know that sounds weird, but if they find some off the chart K
levels then I can change that and get this horse on track. We're
having a devil of a time getting hay this year (as are all the other
horse people in the US), so it'll be difficult to find replacement
hay for him. But I suppose if I have to, I will scrounge some up
somewhere.

I am wondering if the discomfort of ulcers is stressing him enough to
cause episodes?

If anyone out there with a severely symptomatic horse has any
suggestions, I would surely love to hear them. I really hate to say
this because I truly and deeply love this horse, but I'd honestly
rather bury Pickle than have to keep seeing him go thru these
episodes. He's back off feed again and has been pretty lethargic
since Sunday. Actually he was VERY depressed yesterday, but seemed a
small bit improved today. This is how it always is when he actually
goes down with an episode. The darn thing doesn't end with him
getting up. It makes him feel awful for nearly a week!
Lydia




Wed Feb 5, 2003 3:52 am

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Well, Sunday night Pickle went down again with a mega hypp attack. This time he was down for over 4 hours.I started out giving him Karo, sugar syrup, and...
paintedskyefarm <mlwe...
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Feb 5, 2003
3:52 am

And MANY people actually, honestly and truely Breed horses FOR this...... It boggles the mind what the human race will do to the helpless animal species..... ...
appyhorsey
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Feb 5, 2003
5:49 am

Appyhorsey (Deloris?), I thank you for your concern for our predicament, but something you said absolutely made my jaw drop. I read your post and had to walk...
Mike & Lydia Weaver
paintedskyefarm
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Feb 5, 2003
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Lydia: Here is the phone number for a vet who has extensive experience with HYPP horses. The vets name is William Gesel and his number is 614- 837-6771 I...
Paula Buehrer <hltrhr...
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Feb 10, 2003
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We had to put a mare down last October because she'd been down for several hours (she couldn't even open her eyes) and the vet said her muscles were atrophying...
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Feb 5, 2003
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I agree. No Flame wars. However, I will answer your question and tell you WHY.... YES, I would have put this colt down if the test came back positive. First...
appyhorsey
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Feb 5, 2003
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Geeesh. I didn't realize God was posting here. Aren't we a lucky bunch. Paula ... positive. First off, he was bought for use as a stud. (Before I knew he was...
Paula Buehrer <hltrhr...
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Feb 10, 2003
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Would you prefer that I "pawn him off" on some unsuspecting person? Or would you prefer that I give him to an "HYPP Lover" who would use him for breeding and...
appyhorsey
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Feb 5, 2003
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appyHorsey ""Would you prefer that I "pawn him off" on some unsuspecting person? Or would you prefer that I give him to an "HYPP Lover" who would use him for...
john latecki <john@...>
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Feb 7, 2003
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THANK YOU! Reality bites, but for now it is the only thing we have, (unless someone out there has a fantasy world they have been keeping from everyone else). ...
Micha Jennifer
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Feb 8, 2003
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I have one ?, has anyone ever gotten ahold of the HSUS or ASPCA to find out if they have any knowledge of this disease. As I've said before, I'm from CA, and...
Marti
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Feb 5, 2003
6:15 pm

Lydia, Sorry to hear you are having problems. I would like to extend the invitation to visit our delphi forum. It is probably the only place on the web (that...
Melinda Stone
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Feb 5, 2003
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Appyhorsey, here's your quote: "Wait for somebody to get hurt when he finally DID show symptoms??? (The previous post I just read told of a 12yr. horse that...
Mike & Lydia Weaver
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Feb 5, 2003
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To Lydia, First I would like to say that I am sorry for what Pickle is going thru (((HUGS))). In hindsight I am sure you wish you had done more research on...
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Feb 6, 2003
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Hello Melinda, Thanks very much for the invitation. I go to the Delphi forums frequently and have lurked at your board but don't think I've ever posted there....
Mike & Lydia Weaver
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Feb 5, 2003
7:34 pm

Hi Marti, Well I'm not quite as fortunate as you are--since you're able to get your fluids I'm sure REAL cheap. Probably a couple of bucks a liter?? I am...
Mike & Lydia Weaver
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Feb 5, 2003
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Lydia, I am so sorry about Pickle's attack. Reading over all of your post, it sounds as if you know what you are doing in an attack, the only thing that came...
Micha Jennifer
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Feb 5, 2003
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Lydia, thanks for answering me back so fast. You are right I can get my IV solutions so next to nell, so for my boys I have a hefty supply. I had never heard...
Marti
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Feb 6, 2003
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Marti HYPP has been around for at least 10 yrs (cant remember when it was first detected) and traces to a horse that is now deceased named Impressive which was...
georgegreasley <georg...
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Feb 6, 2003
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George, Thank you so much for all the info you sent to me, I will be printing to put into "equine disorder file". I worked with many of vets from UCD, since I...
Marti
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Feb 6, 2003
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George, Something you didn't mention in your post is that HYPP can cause death to the horse. And also a HYPP positive horse that has never shown any symptoms...
barlinksecretagentman
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Sep 17, 2003
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Dawn, You are 100% correct! I have spoken with several people who owned N/H horses who had more than just the medium or mild symptoms. One lady recently told...
Nancy Glick
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Sep 17, 2003
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Nancy, Thank you for an excellent post. It seems that people who are perpetuating this terrible disorder don't want to admit that it is a debilitating and...
barlinksecretagentman
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Sep 17, 2003
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Thanks Dawn :) This is a disease I have been fighting against ever since I found out what it was and what it does to horses. I have been petitioning for...
Nancy Glick
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