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#18249

From: "lcarrigan_55" <lcarrigan_55@...>
Date: Fri Feb 5, 2010 4:24 pm
Subject: Wildlife Tax Earmarks

I've been following the recent posts on state taxation for wildlife viewing with
interest.  I don't think anybody really "enjoys" taxes, however, I also watched
how close Idaho came to possibly having some state park closures occur because
of decreased state funds.  Doesn't a portion of the sales of binoculars,
spotting scopes, etc. go into a federal program for wildlife?  And, if so, how
is that money earmarked?  Maybe my recollection of such a program is wrong, but
seems I remember such.

Also seems Idaho F&G could expand their "Watchable Wildlife" program and through
whatever method chosen (targeted sales tax, stamp, etc.)ensure the $$$ would be
spent for habitat, etc.  As well, doesn't a similar program already exist with
the wildlife license plate program and doesn't that program help non-game
species?

I do hunt and fish, in addition to watching wildlife, and purchase the federal
waterfowl stamp, have one vehicle tagged with an Idaho elk plate and also mark
the $1 addition for non-game species when purchasing a hunting tag.  I
absolutely agree that the funds need to be earmarked for habitat and non-game,
as that benefits all species, preserves watersheds, etc. and, of course,
benefits big game as well.  Tough decisions for tough times.

Brian Carrigan
Blackfoot

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#18250

From: Cliff and Lisa Weisse <cliffandlisa@...>
Date: Fri Feb 5, 2010 4:33 pm
Subject: Re: [IBLE] Idaho Wildlife Viewing Fees

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Actually they're not private land. They may have been purchased using revenues from license fees but they are public lands managed by a government agency. I have no objection to paying a use fee for WMAs. I already buy hunting and fishing licenses every year and would pay extra for the non-game use license. However I would not be willing to pay for the WMA license if the funds generated go into the general F & G fundss. They would have to designate the funds specifically for non-game habitat enhancement/protection/restoration rather than other uses like removing habitat ("invasive" species like Russian Olives) and predators.

While we're on the subject instead of requiring purchase of a Duck Stamp how about a Wildlife Viewing Stamp to access NWRs that would generate funds specifically for habitat improvements that benefit species other the waterfowl? I have no objection to supporting NWRs and their current agenda but Camas could certainly use some help generating funds for non-waterfowl projects. I'd gladly contribute to that too.

Cliff

Dave Burrup wrote:

The proposal only covers F&G management areas. These areas were purchased with fees from hunting, not tax dollars. So in essence they are private land. I have thought for a long time that access to these lands should require a valid hunting license for everyone using the properties. I also think it justifiable that the Federal refuges should require a valid Duck stamp.

Dave
South East Idaho

----- Original Message -----

From: Robert Mortensen

To: Ible@Yahoogroups.Com

Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 7:58 AM

Subject: [IBLE] Idaho Wildlife Viewing Fees

My initial reaction to potential wildlife viewing fees was "You've got to be kidding me!" IBLE comments have been interesting and generally supportive of some type of fee structure. My own opinion has been tempered with new understanding. I even have some ideas about how it may be done most effectively while still holding fast to my political principles. If you're interested, check out my most recent post at http://avimor.blogspot.com.

Happy Birding!

----------------------------------

Robert Mortensen

Avimor Birding Blog

208-939-0343 office

208-921-1202 mobile

robert.mortensen@suncorID.com

-- Cliff and Lisa Weisse
Island Park, Idaho
cliffandlisa@...

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#18251

From: "J. Harry Krueger" <jhkrueger@...>
Date: Fri Feb 5, 2010 4:59 pm
Subject: Re: [IBLE] Idaho Wildlife Viewing Fees

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"�However I would not be willing to pay for the WMA license if the funds generated go into the general F & G fundss.� They would have to designate the funds specifically for non-game habitat enhancement/protection/restoration rather than other uses like removing habitat ("invasive" species like Russian Olives) and predators."

�

Ditto to Cliff's comment.�Government has a way of rewriting the rules to fit their perception of fiscal needs... unless directly prohibited from doing so.

�

J. Harry Krueger

Boise�

On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 9:33 AM, Cliff and Lisa Weisse <cliffandlisa@...> wrote:

�
Actually they're not private land.� They may have been purchased using revenues from license fees but they are public lands managed by a government agency.� I have no objection to paying a use fee for WMAs.� I already buy hunting and fishing licenses every year and would pay extra for the non-game use license.� However I would not be willing to pay for the WMA license if the funds generated go into the general F & G fundss.� They would have to designate the funds specifically for non-game habitat enhancement/protection/restoration rather than other uses like removing habitat ("invasive" species like Russian Olives) and predators.�

While we're on the subject instead of requiring purchase of a Duck Stamp how about a Wildlife Viewing Stamp to access NWRs that would generate funds specifically for habitat improvements that benefit species other the waterfowl?� I have no objection to supporting NWRs and their current agenda but Camas could certainly use some help generating funds for non-waterfowl projects.� I'd gladly contribute to that too.�

Cliff

Dave Burrup wrote:
�

The proposal only covers F&G management areas.� These areas were purchased with fees from hunting, not tax dollars.� So in essence they are private land.� I have thought for a long time that access to these lands should require a valid hunting license for everyone using the properties.� I also think it justifiable that the Federal refuges should require a valid Duck stamp.

Dave
South East Idaho

----- Original Message -----

From: Robert Mortensen

To: Ible@Yahoogroups.Com

Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 7:58 AM

Subject: [IBLE] Idaho Wildlife Viewing Fees

�

My initial reaction to potential wildlife viewing fees was "You've got to be kidding me!"� IBLE comments have been interesting and generally supportive of some type of fee structure.� My own opinion has been tempered with new understanding.�I even have some ideas about how it may be done most effectively while still holding fast to my political principles.� If you're interested, check out my most recent post at http://avimor.blogspot.com.

Happy Birding!

----------------------------------

Robert Mortensen

Avimor Birding Blog

208-939-0343 office

208-921-1202 mobile

robert.mortensen@...
-- Cliff and Lisa Weisse
Island Park, Idaho
cliffandlisa@...

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#18252

From: "jsnowalaska" <jsnowalaska@...>
Date: Fri Feb 5, 2010 5:08 pm
Subject: Taxing birdwatching

jsnowalaska

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I'm agreeing with Roberts initial reaction to the wildlife viewing tax and say
NO.

The State of Idaho is short on cash and is trying to create new sources of
money, that's all this is.  I have to travel farther and farther away from home
for a job and I don't like it.  This state needs more jobs not more revenue
streams.

I have personally had it with more programs and more regulations.  If we, IBLE,
and other groups wnat more places to view wildlife then we should pony up the
monies ourselves and quit looking to a bloated and wasteful government
department to clumsily do our bidding.

One Man's opinion,

Jonathan Snow

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#18253

From: jonathan stoke <helio_jonathan@...>
Date: Fri Feb 5, 2010 5:56 pm
Subject: increase in bill deformities, citizen reports requested

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USGS: Alaska Science Center requests citizen reports.

"Over the past several years, Alaskans have witnessed a startling increase of beak deformities among local birds. Large numbers of Black-capped Chickadees and smaller numbers of many other species of birds have appeared with grossly overgrown and crossed beaks.

We began research in 1999, and have since identified nearly 2,000 deformed Black-capped Chickadees in south-central Alaska—the highest concentration of such abnormalities ever recorded in a wild bird population anywhere! More recently, rapidly increasing numbers of other species, including Downy Woodpeckers, Northwestern Crows, Steller’s Jays, and Black-billed Magpies have also been reported with beak deformities by biologists and local residents throughout the state.

Although we do not yet know the source of this widespread problem, we continue to investigate potential causes, including environmental contaminants, nutritional deficiencies, and disease. Nearly all of the species affected are year-round residents, and we suspect that factors responsible for this cluster of deformities may be unique to Alaska and the Pacific Northwest. We are currently pursuing additional studies to determine where these deformities are occurring and why. Reports from the public help us to determine where and how many birds are affected. If you see a bird with a deformed beak, please contact us."

http://alaska.usgs.gov/science/biology/landbirds/beak_deformity/index.html

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#18254

From: "robwhit@..." <robwhit@...>
Date: Fri Feb 5, 2010 6:02 pm
Subject: Re: [IBLE] Idaho Wildlife Viewing Fees

robwhitla

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Thank you Harry and Cliff for your eloquence.  I couldn't have said it
better.  I'm no fan of taxes.  Lord knows we have lots more coming our way.

I have considered for some time how all wildlife connections could benefit
from broader habitat improvement and creation.  It's a stamp I would look
forward to purchasing each year.

Bob Whitlatch

Original Message:
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From: J. Harry Krueger jhkrueger@...
Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 09:59:48 -0700
To: cliffandlisa@..., IBLE@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [IBLE] Idaho Wildlife Viewing Fees


" However I would not be willing to pay for the WMA license if the funds
generated go into the general F & G fundss.  They would have to designate
the funds specifically for non-game habitat
enhancement/protection/restoration rather than other uses like removing
habitat ("invasive" species like Russian Olives) and predators."

Ditto to Cliff's comment. Government has a way of rewriting the rules to fit
their perception of fiscal needs... unless directly prohibited from doing
so.

J. Harry Krueger
Boise

On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 9:33 AM, Cliff and Lisa Weisse <
cliffandlisa@...> wrote:

>
>
> Actually they're not private land.  They may have been purchased using
> revenues from license fees but they are public lands managed by a
government
> agency.  I have no objection to paying a use fee for WMAs.  I already buy
> hunting and fishing licenses every year and would pay extra for the
non-game
> use license.  However I would not be willing to pay for the WMA license if
> the funds generated go into the general F & G fundss.  They would have to
> designate the funds specifically for non-game habitat
> enhancement/protection/restoration rather than other uses like removing
> habitat ("invasive" species like Russian Olives) and predators.
>
> While we're on the subject instead of requiring purchase of a Duck Stamp
> how about a Wildlife Viewing Stamp to access NWRs that would generate
funds
> specifically for habitat improvements that benefit species other the
> waterfowl?  I have no objection to supporting NWRs and their current
agenda
> but Camas could certainly use some help generating funds for non-waterfowl
> projects.  I'd gladly contribute to that too.
>
> Cliff
>
>
> Dave Burrup wrote:
>
>
>
> The proposal only covers F&G management areas.  These areas were purchased
> with fees from hunting, not tax dollars.  So in essence they are private
> land.  I have thought for a long time that access to these lands should
> require a valid hunting license for everyone using the properties.  I also
> think it justifiable that the Federal refuges should require a valid Duck
> stamp.
> Dave
> South East Idaho
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Robert Mortensen <robert.mortensen@...>
> *To:* Ible@Yahoogroups.Com
> *Sent:* Friday, February 05, 2010 7:58 AM
> *Subject:* [IBLE] Idaho Wildlife Viewing Fees
>
>
>
>  My initial reaction to potential wildlife viewing fees was "You've got to
> be kidding me!"  IBLE comments have been interesting and generally
> supportive of some type of fee structure.  My own opinion has been
tempered
> with new understanding. I even have some ideas about how it may be done
most
> effectively while still holding fast to my political principles.  If
you're
> interested, check out my most recent post at http://avimor.blogspot.com.
>
> Happy Birding!
>
> ----------------------------------
>
> *Robert Mortensen*
>
> Avimor Birding Blog <http://avimor.blogspot.com/>
>
> 208-939-0343 office
>
> 208-921-1202 mobile
>
> robert.mortensen@...
>
>
> --
> Cliff and Lisa Weisse
> Island Park, Idahocliffandlisa@...
>
>
>


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#18255

From: Bill Moore <moorews@...>
Date: Fri Feb 5, 2010 6:23 pm
Subject: Re: [IBLE] Idaho Wildlife Viewing Fees

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So what's the matter with giving Fish and Game more money so they can spend it on valued wildlife enhancement projects like big new trucks, offices, office furniture, non-field staff and big heated garages?

Money could always go to Nature Conservancy, or similar groups, directly and bypass the benevolent bureaucracy.

Bill Moore
Inkom, where all I get are goldfinches, siskins a few chickadees some pesky flickers and a woodpecker

-----Original Message-----
From: robwhit@... <robwhit@...>
To: jhkrueger@...; cliffandlisa@...; ible@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, Feb 5, 2010 11:02 am
Subject: Re: [IBLE] Idaho Wildlife Viewing Fees

Thank you Harry and Cliff for your eloquence. I couldn't have said it
better. I'm no fan of taxes. Lord knows we have lots more coming our way.

I have considered for some time how all wildlife connections could benefit
from broader habitat improvement and creation. It's a stamp I would look
forward to purchasing each year.

Bob Whitlatch

Original Message:
-----------------
From: J. Harry Krueger jhkrueger@gmail.com
Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 09:59:48 -0700
To: cliffandlisa@octobersetters.com, IBLE@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [IBLE] Idaho Wildlife Viewing Fees

" However I would not be willing to pay for the WMA license if the funds
generated go into the general F & G fundss. They would have to designate
the funds specifically for non-game habitat
enhancement/protection/restoration rather than other uses like removing
habitat ("invasive" species like Russian Olives) and predators."

Ditto to Cliff's comment. Government has a way of rewriting the rules to fit
their perception of fiscal needs... unless directly prohibited from doing
so.

J. Harry Krueger
Boise

On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 9:33 AM, Cliff and Lisa Weisse <
cliffandlisa@octobersetters.com> wrote:

>
>
> Actually they're not private land. They may have been purchased using
> revenues from license fees but they are public lands managed by a
government
> agency. I have no objection to paying a use fee for WMAs. I already buy
> hunting and fishing licenses every year and would pay extra for the
non-game
> use license. However I would not be willing to pay for the WMA license if
> the funds generated go into the general F & G fundss. They would have to
> designate the funds specifically for non-game habitat
> enhancement/protection/restoration rather than other uses like removing
> habitat ("invasive" species like Russian Olives) and predators.
>
> While we're on the subject instead of requiring purchase of a Duck Stamp
> how about a Wildlife Viewing Stamp to access NWRs that would generate
funds
> specifically for habitat improvements that benefit species other the
> waterfowl? I have no objection to supporting NWRs and their current
agenda
> but Camas could certainly use some help generating funds for non-waterfowl
> projects. I'd gladly contribute to that too.
>
> Cliff
>
>
> Dave Burrup wrote:
>
>
>
> The proposal only covers F&G management areas. These areas were purchased
> with fees from hunting, not tax dollars. So in essence they are private
> land. I have thought for a long time that access to these lands should
> require a valid hunting license for everyone using the properties. I also
> think it justifiable that the Federal refuges should require a valid Duck
> stamp.
> Dave
> South East Idaho
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Robert Mortensen <robert.mortensen@suncorid.com>
> *To:* Ible@Yahoogroups.Com
> *Sent:* Friday, February 05, 2010 7:58 AM
> *Subject:* [IBLE] Idaho Wildlife Viewing Fees
>
>
>
> My initial reaction to potential wildlife viewing fees was "You've got to
> be kidding me!" IBLE comments have been interesting and generally
> supportive of some type of fee structure. My own opinion has been
tempered
> with new understanding. I even have some ideas about how it may be done
most
> effectively while still holding fast to my political principles. If
you're
> interested, check out my most recent post at http://avimor.blogspot.com.
>
> Happy Birding!
>
> ----------------------------------
>
> *Robert Mortensen*
>
> Avimor Birding Blog <http://avimor.blogspot.com/>
>
> 208-939-0343 office
>
> 208-921-1202 mobile
>
> robert.mortensen@suncorID.com
>
>
> --
> Cliff and Lisa Weisse
> Island Park, Idahocliffandlisa@octobersetters.com
>
>
>

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#18256

From: David Irons <davidirons20@...>
Date: Fri Feb 5, 2010 7:31 pm
Subject: Danzenbaker Tour Journal on BirdFellow.com

davidirons20

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Greetings All,

After a couple technical glitches, including a crash of Jim Danzenbaker's hard drive, the final installments of his tour journal from South America/Antarctica are finally up at BirdFellow.com.

It has been a lot of fun sharing these writings and the accompanying images and it has definitely sparked my own interest in someday visiting this amazing corner of the world. In a way, it feels like I've been there already.

The journal may be a bit quiet in the coming days, as we are feverishly working behind the scenes to get images loaded and soon to be released features and content fine-tuned for launch.

Dave Irons
Content Editor BirdFellow.com

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#18257

From: jonathan stoke <helio_jonathan@...>
Date: Fri Feb 5, 2010 10:37 pm
Subject: Re: [IBLE] Idaho Wildlife Viewing Fees

helio_jonathan

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I'll try to avoid an opinion and share some thoughts and factors instead.

Wouldn't it be nice if there were more money for habitat acquisition and improvement? I think so. I wouldn't mind a tax on recreational equipment (camping gear, optics, and whatever). A tax on purchases imposes the tax on those who have the money to spend on such things, but does not impose burdensome access fees or taxes on those who are struggling to make ends meet. Has anyone noticed the national 17% unemployment / underemployment rate?

When the feds started charging for access to undeveloped federal lands (USFS fees for trail use) there was quite a groundswell of opposition. A lot of the money went to enforcement of the payment of the fees, instead of to trail maintenance. People were hit with federal criminal charges for failing to obtain a permit to hike on public lands.

I have no problem with paying to access a National Park or fee campground that provides amenities that must be maintained like restrooms and picnic tables and such. I proudly purchase the America the Beautiful pass.

Would I pay to access National Wildlife Refuges? Absolutely, and my visit to the Dungeness Spit NWR was covered by my America the Beautiful pass ($80 annual fee). Otherwise it would have been $3 or $5 or something like that for a day pass. I'd like to imagine some of that money going to good use.

Would I like to think that anyone could visit Malheur NWR without paying a fee? Yes, I would. But I was very impressed with the quality of the interpretive center, brochures and bird checklists, museum, etc. I'd pay $5 for a 7-day pass without a second thought.

Now, do I want to have the State of Idaho tax people (or charge fees for wildlife viewing) and give the money to IDF&G for purposes left to the wisdom of the Idaho Legislature? Hmm. Lots of good folks work there, doing great work. Think of the kindness Clare has shown birders at the Ft. Boise WMA for instance, during numerous GEAS outings. That said, IDF&G is under the thumb of a governor-appointed Board and Director. I'll shut my lips right there, and leave you all to ponder the ramifications.

jonathan stoke, Boise

Sorry for all the acronyms:

GEAS Golden Eagle Audubon Society

WMA Wildlife Management Area

NWR National Wildlife Refuge

USFS United States Forest Service

IDF&G Idaho Fish & Game

--- On Fri, 2/5/10, Bill Moore <moorews@...> wrote:

From: Bill Moore <moorews@...>
Subject: Re: [IBLE] Idaho Wildlife Viewing Fees
To: ible@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, February 5, 2010, 11:23 AM

So what's the matter with giving Fish and Game more money so they can spend it on valued wildlife enhancement projects like big new trucks, offices, office furniture, non-field staff and big heated garages?

Money could always go to Nature Conservancy, or similar groups, directly and bypass the benevolent bureaucracy.

Bill Moore
Inkom, where all I get are goldfinches, siskins a few chickadees some pesky flickers and a woodpecker

-----Original Message-----
From: robwhit@qwest. net <robwhit@qwest. net>
To: jhkrueger@gmail. com; cliffandlisa@ octobersetters. com; ible@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Fri, Feb 5, 2010 11:02 am
Subject: Re: [IBLE] Idaho Wildlife Viewing Fees

Thank you Harry and Cliff for your eloquence. I couldn't have said it
better. I'm no fan of taxes. Lord knows we have lots more coming our way.

I have considered for some time how all wildlife connections could benefit
from broader habitat improvement and creation. It's a stamp I would look
forward to purchasing each year.

Bob Whitlatch

Original Message:
------------ -----
From: J. Harry Krueger jhkrueger@gmail. com
Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 09:59:48 -0700
To: cliffandlisa@ octobersetters. com, IBLE@yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: [IBLE] Idaho Wildlife Viewing Fees

" However I would not be willing to pay for the WMA license if the funds
generated go into the general F & G fundss. They would have to designate
the funds specifically for non-game habitat
enhancement/ protection/ restoration rather than other uses like removing
habitat ("invasive" species like Russian Olives) and predators."

Ditto to Cliff's comment. Government has a way of rewriting the rules to fit
their perception of fiscal needs... unless directly prohibited from doing
so.

J. Harry Krueger
Boise

On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 9:33 AM, Cliff and Lisa Weisse <
cliffandlisa@ octobersetters. com> wrote:

>
>
> Actually they're not private land. They may have been purchased using
> revenues from license fees but they are public lands managed by a
government
> agency. I have no objection to paying a use fee for WMAs. I already buy
> hunting and fishing licenses every year and would pay extra for the
non-game
> use license. However I would not be willing to pay for the WMA license if
> the funds generated go into the general F & G fundss. They would have to
> designate the funds specifically for non-game habitat
> enhancement/ protection/ restoration rather than other uses like removing
> habitat ("invasive" species like Russian Olives) and predators.
>
> While we're on the subject instead of requiring purchase of a Duck Stamp
> how about a Wildlife Viewing Stamp to access NWRs that would generate
funds
> specifically for habitat improvements that benefit species other the
> waterfowl? I have no objection to supporting NWRs and their current
agenda
> but Camas could certainly use some help generating funds for non-waterfowl
> projects. I'd gladly contribute to that too.
>
> Cliff
>
>
> Dave Burrup wrote:
>
>
>
> The proposal only covers F&G management areas. These areas were purchased
> with fees from hunting, not tax dollars. So in essence they are private
> land. I have thought for a long time that access to these lands should
> require a valid hunting license for everyone using the properties. I also
> think it justifiable that the Federal refuges should require a valid Duck
> stamp.
> Dave
> South East Idaho
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Robert Mortensen <robert.mortensen@ suncorid. com>
> *To:* Ible@Yahoogroups. Com
> *Sent:* Friday, February 05, 2010 7:58 AM
> *Subject:* [IBLE] Idaho Wildlife Viewing Fees
>
>
>
> My initial reaction to potential wildlife viewing fees was "You've got to
> be kidding me!" IBLE comments have been interesting and generally
> supportive of some type of fee structure. My own opinion has been
tempered
> with new understanding. I even have some ideas about how it may be done
most
> effectively while still holding fast to my political principles. If
you're
> interested, check out my most recent post at http://avimor. blogspot. com.
>
> Happy Birding!
>
> ------------ --------- --------- ----
>
> *Robert Mortensen*
>
> Avimor Birding Blog <http://avimor. blogspot. com/>
>
> 208-939-0343 office
>
> 208-921-1202 mobile
>
> robert.mortensen@ suncorID. com
>
>
> --
> Cliff and Lisa Weisse
> Island Park, Idahocliffandlisa@ octobersetters. com
>
>
>

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#18258

From: lionshodges@...
Date: Fri Feb 5, 2010 8:28 pm
Subject: veiwing fees

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I guess I'm not as dedicated to bird watching as most of you. I would NOT be willing to pay a fee to view birds. I have two reason for that statement. When IDF&G raised their fees a few years ago the funds did not go for what they said when they were trying to sell the increase. As a result I have quit hunting and only buy a fishing license because my wife wants to fish.. I don't trust them as far as I could throw a tiger by the tail. I'm sure that most of the money would go to pay some F&G officer to sit on his butt in the office or in a new truck. Probably have to hire someone to collect the fees and enforce the areas also. The other reason is I believe that we should ALL pay for conservation. The only fair way I know to do that is raise taxes(bite my tongue) and ear mark it for conservation. Even then you run the risk that the legislature could find a way to get it and spend it for something else.

DeWayne Hodges

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#18259

From: julie morgan <juliemorgan111@...>
Date: Sat Feb 6, 2010 2:17 am
Subject: lesser goldfinch

julie.morgan111

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I saw a male and female Lesser Goldfinch today at Council Springs Road. This Road is off of Warm Springs, and borders the eastern edge of Harris Ranch Subdivision (heading north off of Warm Springs.) The road ends and becomes a walking trail 400 meters or so north of Warm Springs. The Lesser Goldfinch were seen in a deciduous shrub to the west of the trail about 300m up the trail. It can be found at the second power pole past the second sign indicating that you are in a wildlife habitat. The diagonal support wire running S. from this power pole lands very close to this shrub. I saw the Lesser GF there last year, also.

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#18260

From: julie morgan <juliemorgan111@...>
Date: Sat Feb 6, 2010 5:35 pm
Subject: Re: Lesser Goldfinch location

julie.morgan111

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I wanted to submit additional location information about the two Lesser Goldfinch I reported
yesterday. Warm Springs Ave. is a road in Boise. As Warm Springs heads east, it eventually
becomes Highway 21 and passes by Lucky peak. Sorry, I'm new to this and had forgotten that
birders from far outside of Boise also read the posts and would likely not be familiar with Warm Springs.

Happy Birding,
Julie

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#18261

From: xylemacres@...
Date: Sat Feb 6, 2010 8:00 pm
Subject: Re: [IBLE] veiwing fees

xylemacres

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DeWayne,

Well said, although I will help the IDF&G Non-Game program in any way I can... currently through the income tax form check off each year.

Cheers, Fred Zeillemaker, Ola.

On Feb 5, 2010, lionshodges@... wrote:

I guess I'm not as dedicated to bird watching as most of you. I would NOT be willing to pay a fee to view birds. I have two reason for that statement. When IDF&G raised their fees a few years ago the funds did not go for what they said when they were trying to sell the increase. As a result I have quit hunting and only buy a fishing license because my wife wants to fish.. I don't trust them as far as I could throw a tiger by the tail. I'm sure that most of the money would go to pay some F&G officer to sit on his butt in the office or in a new truck. Probably have to hire someone to collect the fees and enforce the areas also. The other reason is I believe that we should ALL pay for conservation. The only fair way I know to do that is raise taxes(bite my tongue) and ear mark it for conservation. Even then you run the risk that the legislature could find a way to get it and spend it for something else.

DeWayne Hodges

Rigby

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#18262

From: "monty.thomson" <monty.thomson@...>
Date: Sat Feb 6, 2010 8:12 pm
Subject: Re: wildlife viewing fees

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so here's my 2 cents...

my initial reaction to the proposed fees fell in similar territory as robert.
when i first moved to Idaho in 1976, i was impressed with all the outdoor places
that were accessable to me and the care that Idahoans took of there open spaces.
even when i was broke i could always scrounge up enough gas money to get myself
to Stanley (where you could camp practically anywhere with no imposed fee).  i
remember the first year i went to Stanley after the user fee was implemented. i
thought, "how dare they!" and "why, when i was a kid...blah, blah, blah"

but, a lot more people have come to Idaho since then and a lot more people visit
those same places i do. and with increased use comes increased abuse and the
need for management, which of course, cost money.

it is here that i fall in agreeance with cliff, harry and rob. i would rather
not pay a fee but understand the need for funding to properly maintain wildlife
habitat (i purchase a duck stamp every year but do not hunt).

however, having been a recent attendee at a few senate and house budget
hearings, i see that the state is after every dollar they can get and i i would
be very hesitant to trust that the money paid would be strictly allocated for
the use of non-game wildlife enhancement.

monty thomson
boise

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#18263

From: "Sheri Foote" <featherchaser@...>
Date: Sun Feb 7, 2010 6:07 pm
Subject: Boise County Year List Additions

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Here is an update of what we've seen in Boise County. Hope things start picking up soon!!!

Sheri Foote

Garden Valley

No.	Name	Date	Location	Observer
044	Mallard	01/18/10	Garden Valley	Spencer Walters
045	Golden Eagle	01/19/10	Gardena	Mike Van Dyk
046	Horned Lark	01/23/10	Boise Cty/Gem Cty Line	Michael Wiegand
047	Northern Pygmy-Owl	01/24/10	Garden Valley (Proj. Patch)	Spencer Walters
048	American Robin	01/24/10	Garden Valley	Linda Yearsley
049	Red-winged Blackbird	01/24/10	Garden Valley	Ralph Foote
050	Northern Shrike	01/27/10	Garden Valley	Spencer Walters
051	Wilson's Snipe	01/29/10	Garden Valley (Proj. Patch)	Juli Byard
052	Gray Partridge	01/31/10	Garden Valley High School	Sheri Foote
053	Dusky Grouse	01/31/10	Bogus Basin Nordic Ski Area	Rob Miller
054	Ruffed Grouse	02/01/10	Garden Valley (Pinney Cr.)	Michael Wiegand

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#18264

From: Susie <ladysolen@...>
Date: Sun Feb 7, 2010 10:12 pm
Subject: Merlin

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Hi all,
Yesterday I found a Song Sparrow dangling from the talons of a hungry Merlin...two birds for the price of one (plus Merlin was a life bird for me)! The Merlin was enjoying his dinner in a tree at Deer Flat near the lower parking lot of the visitor's center at about 3:30 pm. I was so excited I had to run back to the visitor center to share my find with Jim Holcomb and "Katie the Owl Lady". A very nice ending to a great day of birding. Photo attached.

1 of 1 Photo(s)

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#18265

From: julie morgan <juliemorgan111@...>
Date: Sun Feb 7, 2010 11:25 pm
Subject: Yellow-Shafted Northern Flicker

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Sighting location: Boise, off of Pierce Park Lane between Castle Dr. and Hill Road.

My suet feeders are extremely popular lately. Today I was able to observe a Yellow-Shafter Northern Flicker
feasting there. My sister, Danette Henderson, helped me to identify him. I was able to observe the yellow underwing
and undertail as well as the red nape and black malars. I also noticed his brown (not gray) face and throat.

Also present at the suet feeder:
Black-capped Chickadees
Ruby Throated Kinglet (daily visitor)
Downy Woodpeckers Male and Female
Starlings (Flicker always won that battle, even against multiples)
Black-billed Magpies (unfortunately they ousted the Flicker)
Red-winged Blackbirds (shared nicely with others)

Other excitement in the neighborhood:
Two Barn Owls making their home and nest in my neighbor's tree!
I was able to observe them at near-dusk with my binoculars the other evening.

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#18266

From: "Shirley Sturts" <shirley.sturts@...>
Date: Mon Feb 8, 2010 6:43 am
Subject: Re: [IBLE] Merlin [1 Attachment]

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This sighting of  a Merlin by Susie overwinters the Merlin for
Latilong 17.
See: http://www.idahobirds.net/distribution/dbase_spec.html
I have not had time to  upload this change on the map from pink
to blue on yet.  I'll work on that tomorrow.
A bird has to be observed all three months of the same winter to
be overwintered.
The Merlin was reported on the Nampa CBC Dec 19   and for the
Canyon Co. Big Year Jan. 2, Boise River, Caldwell by David
Lawrence.  It was also on the Ada Co Big Year for Jan. 1 but
I don't know where or who saw it.
Thanks Susie for reporting your sighting on IBLE.


Shirley Sturts
Coeur d'Alene, ID
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Subject: [IBLE] Merlin [1 Attachment]


> Hi all,
> Yesterday I found a Song Sparrow dangling from the talons of a
> hungry Merlin...two birds for the price of one (plus Merlin was
> a life bird for me)!  The Merlin was enjoying his dinner in a
> tree at Deer Flat near the lower parking lot of the visitor's
> center at about 3:30 pm.   I was so excited I had to run back
> to the visitor center to share my find with Jim Holcomb and
> "Katie the Owl Lady".   A very nice ending to a great day of
> birding.   Photo attached.
>
>
>

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#18267

From: "Robert Mortensen" <robert.mortensen@...>
Date: Mon Feb 8, 2010 3:27 pm
Subject: Idaho Birder: Brian Cooper

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Today's Idaho Birder Profile features Brian Cooper of Nampa...that's right another construction guy that's into birds! Because of this interview I discovered that I grew up with Brian's boys in the Nampa school system. A fun small world reconnect!

Interviews in the coming weeks include Rich Rusnak and Brian Sturges. Keep those referrals coming! This would be a great time for the dozen or so of you out there working on your responses to send them to me (hint-hint).

Happy Birding!

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208-921-1202 mobile

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#18268

From: julie morgan <juliemorgan111@...>
Date: Mon Feb 8, 2010 3:59 pm
Subject: RE: Yellow-shafted Flicker (specific to Barn Owls)

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I thought I'd add that the Barn Owls "making a nest" in my neighbor's tree are doing that in a big hole in her mature Poplar tree, lest anyone thought I was seeing things.

Julie

Yellow-Shafted Northern Flicker

Posted by: "julie morgan" juliemorgan111@... julie.morgan111

Sun Feb 7, 2010 3:25 pm (PST)

Sighting location: Boise, off of Pierce Park Lane between Castle Dr. and Hill Road.

My suet feeders are extremely popular lately. Today I was able to observe a Yellow-Shafter Northern Flicker

feasting there. My sister, Danette Henderson, helped me to identify him. I was able to observe the yellow underwing

and undertail as well as the red nape and black malars. I also noticed his brown (not gray) face and throat.

Also present at the suet feeder:

Black-capped Chickadees

Ruby Throated Kinglet (daily visitor)

Downy Woodpeckers Male and Female

Starlings (Flicker always won that battle, even against multiples)

Black-billed Magpies (unfortunately they ousted the Flicker)

Red-winged Blackbirds (shared nicely with others)

Other excitement in the neighborhood:

Two Barn Owls making their home and nest in my neighbor's tree!

I was able to observe them at near-dusk with my binoculars the other evening.

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From: julie morgan <juliemorgan111@...>
Date: Mon Feb 8, 2010 4:04 pm
Subject: Ruby Crowned Kinglet

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Boise, ID

Sorry for so many clarification posts today. I just heard from Danette that I wrote Ruby Throated Kinglet in my post (Yellow-shafted N. Flicker) yesterday. Before anyone rushes over to see the new species, I thought I should correct it to a Ruby-crowned Kinglet. :) Wow, I rarely do see my own typos, but that one should have been obvious.

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#18270

From: "Shirley Sturts" <shirley.sturts@...>
Date: Mon Feb 8, 2010 8:26 pm
Subject: Benewah and Kootenai Counyt Big Year additons

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Benewah County - all Doni Moen and Saint Maries
51 Ring-necked Pheasant  Jan. 21
52 American Kestrel  Jan 21
53 Cassin's Finch Jan 26
54 Chestnut-backed Chickadee Jan. 29
55  Red Crossbill  Jan. 31


Kootenai County -  Doug Ward
86  Merlin  Jan.29  highway 53 near the WA/ID Stateline
87  Red-winged Blackbird  Feb. 5  Rathdrum Prairie


Shirley Sturts
Coeur d'Alene, ID

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#18271

From: Linda Corliss <lindaco_65@...>
Date: Mon Feb 8, 2010 8:55 pm
Subject: Re: [IBLE] Idaho Birder: Brian Cooper

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Thanks for sharing this, Robert. I enjoyed reading this interview and seeing the other things on the site.

Linda Corliss

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Sent: Mon, February 8, 2010 8:27:14 AM
Subject: [IBLE] Idaho Birder: Brian Cooper

Happy Birding!

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#18272

From: ible@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tue Feb 9, 2010 1:55 am
Subject: Southwestern Idaho Birders Association, 2/11/2010, 7:00 pm

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Reminder from:		ible Yahoo! Group

Title:		Southwestern Idaho Birders Association

Date:		Thursday February 11, 2010
Time:		7:00 pm - 8:45 pm
Location:		Visitor Center, Deer Flat NWR, Lake Lowell, Nampa, ID
Notes:		"Conserving Columbia Wildlife" presented by Matt Miller will be the evening program.

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#18273

From: "Lew & Connie Ulrey" <lulrey@...>
Date: Tue Feb 9, 2010 9:41 pm
Subject: 2010 Ada County Big Year List

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Hello everyone,

Here are the latest additions to the Ada County Big Year List:

90	Horned Lark	1/26	Blacks Creek Reservoir	RL Rowland
91	Winter Wren	1/29	Avimor--Spring Valley Cr. Trail	Robert Mortensen
92	Glaucous-winged Gull	2/3	Hidden Hollow Landfill	RL Rowland & Gary Worthington
93	Canyon Wren	2/7	Swan Falls Park	Jonathan Stoke

Lew Ulrey

Boise

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#18274

From: "Cheryl Huizinga" <bchuizinga@...>
Date: Wed Feb 10, 2010 12:37 am
Subject: Canyon Co. birds for 2010

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Hi Birders,

Here's the latest additions to the Canyon Co. Bird List for 2010. Out at Ft. Boise WMA on Saturday there was a flock of about 2000 Snow Geese coming in, with several Blue Morphs. Also Ross's Geese mixed in with them. Greater White-fronted Geese were there also but not in the same numbers. The Red-breasted Mergansers have been ffairly easy to see along the Lake Lowell Lower Dam and a few Barrow's Goldeneyes are mixed in with the many Common Goldeneyes there.

Happy Birding!

Cheryl Huizinga

Caldwell

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82. Glaucous Gull � 1/17 � South side Lake Lowell on ice � Lynn Davenport

83. Black-crowned Night Heron � 1/9 � Wilson Spring Ponds � Dave Lawrence

84. Northern Saw-whet Owl � 1/17 - Wilson Spring Ponds � Denise Hughes

85. Spotted Towhee � 1/17 � Wilson Spring Ponds � Denise Hughes

86. Common Loon � 1/18 � Lake Lowell Lower Dam � Denise Hughes

87. Greater White-fronted Goose � 2/6 � Ft. Boise WMA � Robert Mortenson, Lynn Davenport, Cheryl Huizinga

88. Green-winged Teal � 2/6 � Ft. Boise WMA � Lynn Davenport, Cheryl Huizinga

89. Marsh Wren � 2/6 � Ft. Boise WMA � Robert Mortenson

90. Downy Woodpecker � 2/7 � Deer Flat NWR � Cheryl Huizinga

91. Horned Lark � 2/7 � Symms Rd / Riverside Rd. � Cheryl Huizinga

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#18275

From: Rohn <rohnbm@...>
Date: Wed Feb 10, 2010 3:04 am
Subject: Hagerman WMA

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Going to spend the day tomorrow at Hagerman. How should I begin? Where should I
look!  Any ideas

Rohn

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#18276

From: "garlorain" <garlorain@...>
Date: Wed Feb 10, 2010 4:21 am
Subject: Hubbard Reservoir and Hagerman

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Last tuesday there was 1 tundra swan and 1 snow goose on the reservoir.  The
next day neither were present.  There also appeared to be several cackling
geese.

Today we saw at least a dozen bald eagles 1/2 mile south of Westpoint in a
little different spot than usual.  They were about a half mile south of west
point where they are usually a half mile west.  Westpoint is between Buhl and
Tuttle on the old highway to Tuttle.  The eagles winter here every year. 
Sometimes you can see 2 dozen in a couple of cottonwood trees.  It is quite
interesting.  Directly below is the Snake River and lots of fish hatcheries for
feeding.

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#18277

From: "Terry Gray" <clgtlg@...>
Date: Wed Feb 10, 2010 9:24 pm
Subject: Eastern Latah County Birds and Yard Birds

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Hi Everyone,

Below is a list of birds I observed east of Deary Idaho this morning.  Also
I observed an adult Bald Eagle between Moscow and Troy and when I got home a
few minutes ago there were over 350 Bohemian Waxwings in the trees just
north of my house along with 15 Cedar Waxwings.

Location:  Eastern Latah County, ID, US
Observation date:     2/10/10
Number of species:     26

Canada Goose     8
Mallard     14
Lesser Scaup     4
Ruffed Grouse     1
California Quail     3
Bald Eagle     3
Red-tailed Hawk     3
Rough-legged Hawk     1
Golden Eagle     1
Northern Pygmy-Owl     1
Belted Kingfisher     1
Hairy Woodpecker     2
Northern Flicker     1
Northern Shrike     2
Steller's Jay     8
Common Raven     7
Black-capped Chickadee     2
Chestnut-backed Chickadee     45
Red-breasted Nuthatch     3
White-breasted Nuthatch     6
American Robin     15
European Starling     5
Song Sparrow     1
House Finch     3
Pine Siskin     8
Evening Grosbeak     22

Good Birding!

Terry Gray
890 Stefany Ln
Moscow ID 83843
(208)882-1585
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#18278

From: "Terry Gray" <clgtlg@...>
Date: Wed Feb 10, 2010 10:33 pm
Subject: RE: [inland-NW-birders] Eastern Latah County Birds and Yard Birds

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Hi Everyone,

I forgot to point out that the Eagles were all adult birds and the Belted
Kingfisher was fishing over the Potlatch River just before you get into
Bovill on the north side of the highway and it was a FEMALE.  Very unusual
to see a female this time of year.  Also I drove into places that usually
are not open do to the depth of the snow until at least late April or early
May.  We are going to be in for trouble water wise this summer unless it is
a cool wet summer.

Another observation:  A couple of days ago nearer to Moscow I saw 6 or more
Steller Jays and they had a lot of white above the eye and the Jays I saw
along Brush Creek Road all had NO white above the eye.  Possibly more than
one subspecies in the area right now.

Good Birding!

Terry


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Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 1:24 PM
To: Inland-Nw-Birders@...; Ible@Yahoogroups.Com
Subject: [inland-NW-birders] Eastern Latah County Birds and Yard Birds


Hi Everyone,

Below is a list of birds I observed east of Deary Idaho this morning.  Also
I observed an adult Bald Eagle between Moscow and Troy and when I got home a
few minutes ago there were over 350 Bohemian Waxwings in the trees just
north of my house along with 15 Cedar Waxwings.

Location:  Eastern Latah County, ID, US
Observation date:     2/10/10
Number of species:     26

Canada Goose     8
Mallard     14
Lesser Scaup     4
Ruffed Grouse     1
California Quail     3
Bald Eagle     3
Red-tailed Hawk     3
Rough-legged Hawk     1
Golden Eagle     1
Northern Pygmy-Owl     1
Belted Kingfisher     1
Hairy Woodpecker     2
Northern Flicker     1
Northern Shrike     2
Steller's Jay     8
Common Raven     7
Black-capped Chickadee     2
Chestnut-backed Chickadee     45
Red-breasted Nuthatch     3
White-breasted Nuthatch     6
American Robin     15
European Starling     5
Song Sparrow     1
House Finch     3
Pine Siskin     8
Evening Grosbeak     22

Good Birding!

Terry Gray
890 Stefany Ln
Moscow ID 83843
(208)882-1585
http://www.flickr.com/photos/terryandchristine/

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I thought I'd add that the Barn Owls "making a nest" in my neighbor's tree are doing that in a big hole in her mature Poplar tree, lest anyone thought I was seeing things.

Posted by: "julie morgan" juliemorgan111@... julie.morgan111

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