>Thanks again! We go on the weekend, as I work all day. There was a
>really nice group of dogs there today. Ookii is exhausted. She came
>in and collapsed on the kitchen floor and I don't thinks she's moved
>since! :P
>
>-E!

Yeah an exhausted dog is good. We were there from 2:30 or so to 3:15
PM. We left when The tall senior and his elderly shep arrived. While
we were there, there were 2 big black hairy Newfoundlanders one who
tried to steel Tiger's ball a few times. Maggie also played a little
but it was too warm for her.
Eric

Thanks again! We go on the weekend, as I work all day. There was a
really nice group of dogs there today. Ookii is exhausted. She came
in and collapsed on the kitchen floor and I don't thinks she's moved
since! :P

-E!

On Thursday, October 17, 2002, at 11:44  AM, Elizabeth wrote:

> Oh, and I forgot to add that my dog has no interest in fetch (very
> low prey drive I guess, but that's a good thing since she lives with
> cats). She either looks at the ball like "you threw it, you get it!"
> or shies away with a hurt expression like a stereotypical girl
> playing baseball for the first time. Too funny!
>
> I guess we will just have to muddle through on this and hope that
> everyone else is reasonable about her behavior. She's such a sweetie,
> hopefully she will win everyone over in time. Hope to see some of you
> at the dog park!
>
> -E!
>
>

The DP at Redwood Shores is empty sometimes in the early PM at 2.  If
you can arrange your schedule, you'll meet fewer mounters at off hours
rather than 4-5 PM.  Now that the road repairs are underway again
outside the park, Tiger has a great time chasing the backhoe machine
along the fence too. So we have to get there early before the crew
quits:-) With Maggie, I had to work on her to fetch and she still has
her own rules and style of fetch. Tiger OTOH learned fetch early,
probably before I  was given him. He used to be Mr. Frisbee but when I
got the Go Frr. sling shot balls for Maggie, Tiger stole that away from
her.

In other news, I heard the grass at the Burlingame park has disappeared
from too much traffic.  Mitchell Park DP has a similar problem just
waiting for the winter monsoons.  I understand the management at
Redwood Shores is going to put decomposed granite in the area now
devoid of grass (for photos of  DG go here
<http://www.southwestboulder.com/granite2.htm>). I hope they do it soon
or the rains will make for some great mud. In the past, the park gets
closed after rain so you have to call 650-654-6538 for park closure
info after a storm.
Eric
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Oh, and I forgot to add that my dog has no interest in fetch (very
low prey drive I guess, but that's a good thing since she lives with
cats). She either looks at the ball like "you threw it, you get it!"
or shies away with a hurt expression like a stereotypical girl
playing baseball for the first time. Too funny!

I guess we will just have to muddle through on this and hope that
everyone else is reasonable about her behavior. She's such a sweetie,
hopefully she will win everyone over in time. Hope to see some of you
at the dog park!

-E!

----- Original Message -----

From: Elizabeth

To: mvdogpark@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2002 9:14 AM

Subject: [mvdogpark] Re: defensive dog

Hi!

Thanks to all for your responses. Actually, this is at the Redwood
shores dog park! Yes, it is mostly fireworks and bluffing. A few dogs
end up with spit on their backs (both the mounters and mine) in the
scuffle, but nobody seems to be interested in making a real bite.
Everyone calls off their dogs as soon as it explodes, but I kinda
wish the owners of the mounting dogs would be just a bit more
proactive. I think maybe the regulars have just become more relaxed
with each other so everyone's guard is down. I just worry because I
think maybe some owners perceive this as my dog "starting a fight",
since she is the first to show (to the human eye) "aggression", even
though it is really the mounters who are starting it. I also want to
make sure that this doesn't blossom into a bigger problem where
someone is going to get hurt.

Thanks for all the advice! I'll try to relax!

-E!



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Hi!

Thanks to all for your responses. Actually, this is at the Redwood
shores dog park! Yes, it is mostly fireworks and bluffing. A few dogs
end up with spit on their backs (both the mounters and mine) in the
scuffle, but nobody seems to be interested in making a real bite.
Everyone calls off their dogs as soon as it explodes, but I kinda
wish the owners of the mounting dogs would be just a bit more
proactive. I think maybe the regulars have just become more relaxed
with each other so everyone's guard is down. I just worry because I
think maybe some owners perceive this as my dog "starting a fight",
since she is the first to show (to the human eye) "aggression", even
though it is really the mounters who are starting it. I also want to
make sure that this doesn't blossom into a bigger problem where
someone is going to get hurt.

Thanks for all the advice! I'll try to relax!

-E!

On Wednesday, October 16, 2002, at 05:41  PM, Joanne Briggs wrote:

> Elizabeth,
> Try the Mountain View Dog Park, you said you had not been there yet.
> Its a
> nice park with less dog fights than some other parks.  The layout of
> the MV
> park seems less conducive to dogfights.  We used to go to the
> Sunnyvale Dog
> Park, but the physical layout of that park seems to generate more
> tension
> among the dogs.  At times in Mountain View if too many people are
> standing
> close to the gate you can also see the tension level rising among some
> of
> the dogs (in the large dog side).
> Joanne
> Hi,
>
> I've recently adopted a large dog and on trips to a dog park (not mv
> yet, but we plan to try there too!) she's been pretty good. However,
> some of the more "pushy" large dogs try to mount her/dominate her
> (she's spayed) and she gets scared. If they put a paw on her back she
> will growl at them, bark, and snap. She never makes contact and the
> moment they back off she relaxes and goes back to being friends.
>
> She's very gentle with little dogs, plays nicely with the dogs who
> aren't "pushy" and likes to meet everyone. I read up on this and I
> think she's just establishing limits with the more pushy dogs, maybe
> because she has some sort of history of being bullied, but it is a
> little embarrassing to say the least and I don't want her to get a
> bad reputation. She has a baritone, booming bark which makes the
> scuffles sound very alarming. Will this maybe get better once she
> isn't the "new kid on the block"? My sources say not to punish her as
> it will only reinforce her fear. So I just try to call her to me to
> calm down. Any suggestions/words of wisdom? Thanks!
>
> -E!
>
>

My favorite park is Redwood Shores dog park
<http://home.earthlink.net/~ejlmp/redwoodshoresdr.html>. It has a big
dog and small dog part.  The park has lagoons on 2 sides and quite a
variety of wildlife coexists with the dogs.  The entrance location for
the park also prevents the gate spates that are frequent at Sunnyvale
DP and also Mitchell park in the winter. In both people gather at the
gate or near it.

I second the idea of water squirting. My pants have baggy pockets and I
can carry a SuperSoaker water gun. A sudden splat of water is very
effective in changing the focus of most dogs.
Eric
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On Wednesday, October 16, 2002, at 11:33  AM, Elizabeth wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I've recently adopted a large dog and on trips to a dog park (not mv
> yet, but we plan to try there too!) she's been pretty good. However,
> some of the more "pushy" large dogs try to mount her/dominate her
> (she's spayed) and she gets scared. If they put a paw on her back she
> will growl at them, bark, and snap. She never makes contact and the
> moment they back off she relaxes and goes back to being friends.
>
> She's very gentle with little dogs, plays nicely with the dogs who
> aren't "pushy" and likes to meet everyone. I read up on this and I
> think she's just establishing limits with the more pushy dogs, maybe
> because she has some sort of history of being bullied, but it is a
> little embarrassing to say the least and I don't want her to get a
> bad reputation. She has a baritone, booming bark which makes the
> scuffles sound very alarming. Will this maybe get better once she
> isn't the "new kid on the block"? My sources say not to punish her as
> it will only reinforce her fear. So I just try to call her to me to
> calm down. Any suggestions/words of wisdom? Thanks!
>
> -E!
>
>

Are you concerned about her booming bark and the image that makes? It
sounds like your dog is acting normal and she's telling the mounter to
stop.  If there's no contact but only vocal fireworks, I don't think
there's a problem.  I have 2 dogs, Maggie, 8 yr old and Tiger 5 yr old.
When we get ready to go to the park, they are very excited and Tiger
(M) tries to mount Maggie who is the Alpha dog.  Maggie reacts by
barking, growling, etc. and lunges at Tiger but doesn't make contact
but he gets the message and stops but tries again latter.  He hasn't
done any mounting at the park recently however.  I try to get Tiger to
fetch which he loves when we get to the park and his brain is focused
on the ball and doesn't bother any dogs. Maybe getting your dog
actively playing with you will keep the other dogs from bothering her.
HTH.
Eric
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Elizabeth,
Try the Mountain View Dog Park, you said you had not been there yet.  Its a
nice park with less dog fights than some other parks.  The layout of the MV
park seems less conducive to dogfights.  We used to go to the Sunnyvale Dog
Park, but the physical layout of that park seems to generate more tension
among the dogs.  At times in Mountain View if too many people are standing
close to the gate you can also see the tension level rising among some of
the dogs (in the large dog side).
Joanne

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Hi,

I've recently adopted a large dog and on trips to a dog park (not mv
yet, but we plan to try there too!) she's been pretty good. However,
some of the more "pushy" large dogs try to mount her/dominate her
(she's spayed) and she gets scared. If they put a paw on her back she
will growl at them, bark, and snap. She never makes contact and the
moment they back off she relaxes and goes back to being friends.

She's very gentle with little dogs, plays nicely with the dogs who
aren't "pushy" and likes to meet everyone. I read up on this and I
think she's just establishing limits with the more pushy dogs, maybe
because she has some sort of history of being bullied, but it is a
little embarrassing to say the least and I don't want her to get a
bad reputation. She has a baritone, booming bark which makes the
scuffles sound very alarming. Will this maybe get better once she
isn't the "new kid on the block"? My sources say not to punish her as
it will only reinforce her fear. So I just try to call her to me to
calm down. Any suggestions/words of wisdom? Thanks!

-E!



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Hello,
I recently became a dog owner as well.  We have a
small dog who loves to run.  Which means that she
generally gets chased at the dog parks and then
trampled.  It has been my experience at both MV and
Sunnyvale dog parks that owners (except us new ones)
do not generally pay attention to their dogs and their
behavior.  In your situation I would ask where the
owner of the dog doing the mounting is.  The behavior
your dog is displaying is perfectly acceptable and
normal.  She is setting bounderies and if the other
dogs do not respect them then there is the chance they
will get bit/snapped at.  Mine likes to do the air
biting thing which I used to try to correct, but my
trainer told me that it is her only defense and to
allow her to do it.  Which brings me to my point.  I
don't ever reply to these because I do not know a
thing about dogs (other than what I have read about my
own).  I have had Lucy for 5 months and the first 3
months I used to take her to the parks.  In that time
I have seen some bad fights were owners stand and do
nothing and I've seen fights between owners.  So NOW
Lucy goes to "puppy play time" which is run by my
trainer and his wife.  They use the water bottle
correction with the dogs and they run the hour.  Dogs
get the 'bottle' if they try to mount the other dogs.
It is in San Jose off of Ross (behind Target).  I do
not have the number on me but if you are interested I
can get the number tomorrow.  It is Friday nights from
7:30-8:30 and the cost is $6.

Christy
--- Elizabeth <ebang3@...> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I've recently adopted a large dog and on trips to a
> dog park (not mv
> yet, but we plan to try there too!) she's been
> pretty good. However,
> some of the more "pushy" large dogs try to mount
> her/dominate her
> (she's spayed) and she gets scared. If they put a
> paw on her back she
> will growl at them, bark, and snap. She never makes
> contact and the
> moment they back off she relaxes and goes back to
> being friends.
>
> She's very gentle with little dogs, plays nicely
> with the dogs who
> aren't "pushy" and likes to meet everyone. I read up
> on this and I
> think she's just establishing limits with the more
> pushy dogs, maybe
> because she has some sort of history of being
> bullied, but it is a
> little embarrassing to say the least and I don't
> want her to get a
> bad reputation. She has a baritone, booming bark
> which makes the
> scuffles sound very alarming. Will this maybe get
> better once she
> isn't the "new kid on the block"? My sources say not
> to punish her as
> it will only reinforce her fear. So I just try to
> call her to me to
> calm down. Any suggestions/words of wisdom? Thanks!
>
> -E!
>
>


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Our little girl Trixie (who is now almost 5 but acts like she's 6 mos
old:) is pretty much the same way. She's an Akita/Cattle Dog mix and
is EXTREMELY gentle with everyone and everything. Her best buddy
besides her one year old brother Tanner (a giant Ridgeback mix) is
our neighbor's kitty. She plays with our neighborhood kids on a daily
basis and loves my little niece (only 6 mos old). Having said that,
she will react vigorously and bark back aggressively in the dog park
if another dog tries to dominate her -- her personality is rather
alpha and she's ALWAYS the boss. She never makes contact either and
backs off right away when the advances stop.

I don't think there's too much to be upset about. Certainly you don't
need to punish the dog in any way. Most dogs set their own limits
using their way of communication -- even though it may be
scary-looking at times. I've found the best way to interfere and
break up super-aggressive/dominant dogs that get into a "let's see
who's the boss" scuffle is to use a spray bottle. I ALWAYS carry a
bottle with me wherever I go with my dogs. This way you can spray
your dog if he/she gets out of hand (it works really well and it's
very humane). I've even used it against other's dogs to get them away
from me or my dogs and no one has ever been offended by it. In fact,
most people have commented how impressed they were that it worked so
well without any harm to any of the dogs and without having to get
into the middle of a scuffle or yell and scream. Target's gardening
department sells clear bottles that shoot quite a distance at $1.99.

That's the best advice I have for you. Hope it helps.

Regards,
Mick

>Hi,
>
>I've recently adopted a large dog and on trips to a dog park (not mv
>yet, but we plan to try there too!) she's been pretty good. However,
>some of the more "pushy" large dogs try to mount her/dominate her
>(she's spayed) and she gets scared. If they put a paw on her back she
>will growl at them, bark, and snap. She never makes contact and the
>moment they back off she relaxes and goes back to being friends.
>
>She's very gentle with little dogs, plays nicely with the dogs who
>aren't "pushy" and likes to meet everyone. I read up on this and I
>think she's just establishing limits with the more pushy dogs, maybe
>because she has some sort of history of being bullied, but it is a
>little embarrassing to say the least and I don't want her to get a
>bad reputation. She has a baritone, booming bark which makes the
>scuffles sound very alarming. Will this maybe get better once she
>isn't the "new kid on the block"? My sources say not to punish her as
>it will only reinforce her fear. So I just try to call her to me to
>calm down. Any suggestions/words of wisdom? Thanks!
>
>-E!
>
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Hi,

I've recently adopted a large dog and on trips to a dog park (not mv
yet, but we plan to try there too!) she's been pretty good. However,
some of the more "pushy" large dogs try to mount her/dominate her
(she's spayed) and she gets scared. If they put a paw on her back she
will growl at them, bark, and snap. She never makes contact and the
moment they back off she relaxes and goes back to being friends.

She's very gentle with little dogs, plays nicely with the dogs who
aren't "pushy" and likes to meet everyone. I read up on this and I
think she's just establishing limits with the more pushy dogs, maybe
because she has some sort of history of being bullied, but it is a
little embarrassing to say the least and I don't want her to get a
bad reputation. She has a baritone, booming bark which makes the
scuffles sound very alarming. Will this maybe get better once she
isn't the "new kid on the block"? My sources say not to punish her as
it will only reinforce her fear. So I just try to call her to me to
calm down. Any suggestions/words of wisdom? Thanks!

-E!

On Tuesday, October 15, 2002, at 08:02  PM, Melissa wrote:

> Hi,
> I'm new to the bay area.  We just moved to Mountain View in July.  We
> have not met anybody that has dogs.  I have a Boston Terrier (without
> the smushed in nose) intact male that needs a friend to play with and
> we need a sitter for the week of Thanksgiving and the week of Xmas.
> We would rather not place him in a kennel or boarding because he
> would be very sad.  He is a very people oriented dog and is more like
> a child than a dog (don't we all know).  He is a very good dog -- he
> doesn't bark and listens well.  We have not been to the dog park
> because he gets very excited when he sees new people, but he does
> like people and loves playing with other dogs.  If anybody can help
> us or know of someone that can please contact us.
>
> Thanks,
> Melissa
>

Here's a good sitter for dogs;  Carole Lawrence 650-369-3728. Good luck.
Eric
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Hi Melissa,

There is a great doggy daycare + evening and weekend care place in
San Jose (about 20 minutes from Mountain View). Both daycare and
evening/weekend stays are completely cage-free. All the dogs run
loose and have indoor as well as outdoor accommodations. It's a very
clean place and your pooch will have a complimentary bath for two or
more nights stay at the end of the stay, so he'll come home tired,
content and clean.

Here's some info on the place that I hope will be helpful:

SPOTS
561 W Hedding Street
San Jose CA, 95110
408-287-7687
http://www.spots-pets.surfmetro.com/
$12.50/dog for 1/2 day (6 hours or less)
$25/dog for full day (any time from 6AM-10PM)
$29/night for 24 hours (including overnight boarding)
There is a $5 discount for two dogs
35-40 dogs max (someone on the premises 24/7)
Dogs must be evaluated -- daily from 10:30AM-3PM
Tours are available after dogs are evaluated
The place is completely "CAGELESS" for the dogs. Even for overnight
("Boarding"), the dogs are always together in the main room.

Regards,
Mick Davoudian

At 3:02 AM +0000 10/16/02, Melissa wrote:
>Hi,
>I'm new to the bay area.  We just moved to Mountain View in July.  We
>have not met anybody that has dogs.  I have a Boston Terrier (without
>the smushed in nose) intact male that needs a friend to play with and
>we need a sitter for the week of Thanksgiving and the week of Xmas.
>We would rather not place him in a kennel or boarding because he
>would be very sad.  He is a very people oriented dog and is more like
>a child than a dog (don't we all know).  He is a very good dog -- he
>doesn't bark and listens well.  We have not been to the dog park
>because he gets very excited when he sees new people, but he does
>like people and loves playing with other dogs.  If anybody can help
>us or know of someone that can please contact us.
>
>Thanks,
>Melissa
>
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Hi,
I'm new to the bay area.  We just moved to Mountain View in July.  We
have not met anybody that has dogs.  I have a Boston Terrier (without
the smushed in nose) intact male that needs a friend to play with and
we need a sitter for the week of Thanksgiving and the week of Xmas.
We would rather not place him in a kennel or boarding because he
would be very sad.  He is a very people oriented dog and is more like
a child than a dog (don't we all know).  He is a very good dog -- he
doesn't bark and listens well.  We have not been to the dog park
because he gets very excited when he sees new people, but he does
like people and loves playing with other dogs.  If anybody can help
us or know of someone that can please contact us.

Thanks,
Melissa

On Saturday, September 21, 2002, at 10:11  AM, Robin wrote:

> I really want to take my 4 lbs yorkie to the dog park but I'm worried
> that he might be too small for other dogs.
> And most of all, he's not socialized with other dogs. He barks alot.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
>

Your best bet is to use dog parks that have separate enclosures for big
and small dogs. You may have to travel more than you want however. The
Mountain View park
<http://home.earthlink.net/~ejlmp/mountainviewdr.html> has a small dog
part as does Belmont
(<http://home.earthlink.net/~ejlmp/belmontdogrun.html>), Foster City
(<http://home.earthlink.net/~ejlmp/fcdr.html>) and Redwood Shores Dog
Park (<http://home.earthlink.net/~ejlmp/redwoodshoresdr.html>). Hoover
park in Palo Alto has a gathering of small dog owners and their dogs
around 2 PM (<http://home.earthlink.net/~ejlmp/Hoover.html>) and big
dog owners (the locals I guess) respect this and stay away. Also Hoover
Park dog run is small so not too many big dog owners favor it. I may be
all wet about Hoover now but what I write was valid a few years ago.
Another way would be to talk to other small dog owners at parks and see
how they cope. You may have luck if you pick off hours at parks when
there are few dogs there. I would also suggest training your dog as
this is a part of the socialization with other dogs. You need to call
your dog away from potentially bad scenes if your dog annoys big dogs.
See this site for clicker training: <http://www.clickersolutions.com/>.
They have a very active Yahoo Email list on clicker training techniques
and details about joining are given at the Web site. Good luck.
Eric
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The Mountain View park has a separate area for small dogs where you should be ok. Four pounds is pretty tiny but I've seen some other very small dogs out there who did fine.

I wouldn't worry about barking. If he doesn't get along or is overly agressive with other dogs then it's not a great idea to bring him out, but if he's just loud then nobody really cares about that. There's no residential buildings or anything else nearby so the only people that will hear are others at the park and they're all dog people. :)

 Robin wrote:

I really want to take my 4 lbs yorkie to the dog park but I'm worried
that he might be too small for other dogs.
And most of all, he's not socialized with other dogs. He barks alot.

Any suggestions?

I really want to take my 4 lbs yorkie to the dog park but I'm worried
that he might be too small for other dogs.
And most of all, he's not socialized with other dogs. He barks alot.

Any suggestions?

----- Original Message -----

From: Joan Johnson

To: dog park

Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 6:18 PM

Subject: Re: [mvdogpark] best time to play?

MV dog park is busy on weekdays from 3 pm on.  Skeeter would probably fit in best on large dog side, though usually she'd be welcome on small side, too.  Weekend visitors are a different group--more aggressive with more aggressive dogs.  When you visit, try to locate one of the regulars to answer your questions. On event days, the Shoreline Amphitheater staff is very helpful in assisting your access to the park. 

 

Hope to see you there soon.

 

Joan

Buddy's Mom

 

----- Original Message -----

From: cacowgirl3

Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 5:37 PM

To: mvdogpark@yahoogroups.com

Subject: [mvdogpark] best time to play?

 

My dog Skeeter and I are going to make it to the MV dog park - one of
these days!  I could only guess that the most active times to go are
M-F around 6 or so in the evening.  Are there certain times that most
people gather?  Also, what times are good on the weekends?

Also, my girl is 40#.  What constitutes small, or large?  If the
dog's behavior isn't pushy or assertive, is a dog of my girl's size
welcome on either side of the fence?

For pictures of Skeeter, visit webshots.com.  My user id is
cacowgirl3.  community.webshots.com/user/cacowgirl3 should work!

Okay, time to head to the Santa Clara dog park now!
Gisele



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----- Original Message -----

From: cacowgirl3

Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 5:37 PM

To: mvdogpark@yahoogroups.com

Subject: [mvdogpark] best time to play?

 

My dog Skeeter and I are going to make it to the MV dog park - one of
these days!  I could only guess that the most active times to go are
M-F around 6 or so in the evening.  Are there certain times that most
people gather?  Also, what times are good on the weekends?

Also, my girl is 40#.  What constitutes small, or large?  If the
dog's behavior isn't pushy or assertive, is a dog of my girl's size
welcome on either side of the fence?

For pictures of Skeeter, visit webshots.com.  My user id is
cacowgirl3.  community.webshots.com/user/cacowgirl3 should work!

Okay, time to head to the Santa Clara dog park now!
Gisele



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My dog Skeeter and I are going to make it to the MV dog park - one of
these days!  I could only guess that the most active times to go are
M-F around 6 or so in the evening.  Are there certain times that most
people gather?  Also, what times are good on the weekends?

Also, my girl is 40#.  What constitutes small, or large?  If the
dog's behavior isn't pushy or assertive, is a dog of my girl's size
welcome on either side of the fence?

For pictures of Skeeter, visit webshots.com.  My user id is
cacowgirl3.  community.webshots.com/user/cacowgirl3 should work!

Okay, time to head to the Santa Clara dog park now!
Gisele

Subject: Howard County, MD opens huge dogpark

Last Saturday they opened the first in a series of dogparks
in that county. They are doing it right. They have required
residents to form a non-profit entity prior to building the park.

Having a park service that is genuinely INTERESTED
makes all the difference.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dogpark/

And it makes me feel very good to know that my message back in January
helped turned the tide in favor of a seperate small dog area.
When John Byrd, county parks director, said: " we aren't
budgeted for a seperate small dog area"; ALL the dogowners began
raising funds for the additioanl fencing themseleves !!!
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dogpark/message/898

And once you set that precedent at one park;
other nearby parks will follow their lead.
WRZ

http://www.sunspot.net/news/local/howard/bal-ho.dogs14jul14.story?
coll=bal%2Dloc\al%2Dhoward

Dog days have arrived
Park: A place where canines can run free is unleashed in Howard
County.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
By Jody K. Vilschick
Special To The Sun
Originally published July 14, 2002

Now dogs can run free in Howard County.

After four years of lobbying by dog lovers, the county Department of
Recreation and Parks has created a leash-free area in Worthington
Park.

More than 50 frolicking Dalmatians, Great Danes, terriers, greyhounds
and other dogs gathered yesterday morning with their owners at the
park off New Cut Road to mark the opening with a leash-cutting
ceremony.

"This is going to be wonderful," said Rachel Walter, the owner of
Roxy the boxer, as they tried out the new park.

Until now, Walter has been walking Roxy an hour or more each day,
trying to tire her out. "Three hours of walking doesn't add up to the
exercise Roxy'll get with just 15 minutes in the dog park," she said.

But Walter had a concern: "I'm going to get lazy and fat," she said.

Across the park, Great Dane puppies Maynard and Diesel had energy to
burn as they loped off after other dogs.

"We used to exercise them at the tennis courts at Rockburn Park,"
said Jennifer Smith, their owner. "That was the only enclosed space
bigger than our own yard."

John Byrd, chief of the Howard County Bureau of Parks, said at the
opening ceremony that the park represents a lot of time, effort and
hard work. "Sometimes I wondered whether we would ever see this day.
Sometimes I felt as if we never would," said Byrd.

Shelly Short, president of the Howard County Dog Owners Group
(HoCoDOG), said now dogs of all sizes will get the exercise they
need.

Forty HoCoDOG members will serve as park monitors to make sure that
dogs and their owners have a safe place to play. HoCoDOG also is
raising money to pay for amenities such as a water fountain for the
dogs and a small-dog area.

"We really felt an area for small or timid dogs was needed, but it
wasn't part of the original plans. Howard County graciously installed
the small-dog enclosure and absorbed the upfront fees," Short said.

Located on a little more than 2 1/2 acres of the former New Cut
landfill site, north of Route 103 in Ellicott City, the park is
surrounded by a 6-foot chain-link fence. No one at the opening seemed
concerned about the park's proximity to the former landfill.

It is illegal to have dogs unleashed in Howard County's parks and
open spaces, and in public areas such as streets and sidewalks. Many
neighborhoods actively discourage, if not ban, unleashed dogs from
unfenced front lawns.

"Having your pet get exercise like a dog gets in dog parks will often
eliminate negative behaviors such as chewing and too much barking,"
Short said.

Loretta Ames, one of the original members of the HoCoDOG board of
directors, agreed.

"A tired dog is a happy dog," said Ames, who is the owner of two
dogs, Tootsie and Oreo Cookie.

Until yesterday, Ames had been traveling to the dog beach at Quiet
Waters Park in Anne Arundel County to provide her pets with off-leash
exercise. Ames plans to help monitor the park.

"There's nothing more a dog loves to do than run free," Ames said.

Howard dog advocates began pushing for the park in 1995. In 1999,
John Priest helped form HoCoDOG to work with the county to plan and
develop the idea.

"That all led up to Saturday," said Gary Arthur, the county's
director of recreation and parks.

"When Gary [Arthur] first approached me with the idea, I didn't know
what it was," said County Executive James N. Robey at yesterday's
opening. "But when he explained it to me, the idea made sense."

In 1999, the county passed legislation allowing a dog park on
parkland. Then a public hearing was held for the residents of the
Worthington neighborhood. "They really did their homework and made a
nice presentation," Arthur said of the HoCoDOG volunteers. "The
presentation answered the residents' concerns and there were no
objections."

To use the park, dog owners must obtain a county dog license as well
as purchase a user permit, which costs $30 per year per household
from the Howard County Department of Recreation and Parks. The money
will go into a maintenance fund for the park.

Permit applications are available from the Department of Parks and
Recreation, 7120 Oakland Mills Road in Columbia; or by calling 410-
313-7275. The application also may be downloaded at
www.co.ho.md.us/recparks/recparks.html.

Alternatively, a daily fee of $4 is charged for those without a
yearly permit. Only dogs with county licenses and up-to-date rabies
vaccinations will be allowed. Monitors will be checking dogs to
ensure compliance.

HoCoDOG is seeking volunteer monitors. Information about the group
and the dog park is available on its Web site at www.hocodog.org.

Copyright © 2002, The Baltimore Sun

I've heard good things about Palo Alto Pet Hospital's boarding
unit, though I haven't used them yet. Has anyone here had any
experience with them? I need a place for Memorial Day weekend.

I used Robalee in Mtn View last year and wasn't that happy with
the experience. I probably wouldn't go there again.

I was happy using Shamrock Ranch in Pacifica. It was a few years ago.

-----Original Message-----
From: dawnwoo [mailto:dawnwoo@...]
Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 2:23 PM
To: mvdogpark@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [mvdogpark] dog boarding


Have any of you ever boarded your dog at a local facility?  My usual
dog-sitter is on vacation this weekend, and we're in a bind.  Open
boarding facilities like Spots won't take unneutered dogs like
Strack.  I think most other places will, but I'd feel more
comfortable leaving him somewhere that other people have used and
would recommend.  Any suggestions would be appreciated!

Thanks,
Dawn



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I don't know of any official place. However, a dog-sitter we know
who's very good may be able to fill in for your regular person. She's
a vet tech at Central Animal Hospital and she's great. Here's her
info:

Pets On Vacation -- Patty McCoy (Vet Tech at Central Animal Hospital)
Pager: (408) 233-8795
Cell:  (408) 309-9474
Work:  (408) 377-4043
$10-15 for a few hours (day or night time)
$25/overnight (she needs to leave for work from 7AM during the week)
She can do weekends as well.

Hope this helps.

Mick

Razmik "Mick" Davoudian
Home: 408-296-2446
Cell: 408-489-MICK (6425)
MickDavoudian@...


At 9:22 PM +0000 4/10/02, dawnwoo wrote:
>Have any of you ever boarded your dog at a local facility?  My usual
>dog-sitter is on vacation this weekend, and we're in a bind.  Open
>boarding facilities like Spots won't take unneutered dogs like
>Strack.  I think most other places will, but I'd feel more
>comfortable leaving him somewhere that other people have used and
>would recommend.  Any suggestions would be appreciated!
>
>Thanks,
>Dawn
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Have any of you ever boarded your dog at a local facility?  My usual
dog-sitter is on vacation this weekend, and we're in a bind.  Open
boarding facilities like Spots won't take unneutered dogs like
Strack.  I think most other places will, but I'd feel more
comfortable leaving him somewhere that other people have used and
would recommend.  Any suggestions would be appreciated!

Thanks,
Dawn

hi everyone,
This is a little off topic but here goes.  Today I found an excellent
web site (the motherlode!) that lists bay area parks where dogs are
permitted.  The site is at http://www.bahiker.com/doghikes.html

Not surprisingly, almost all of the parks listed have leash
requirements.  My dog and I have visited some of the south bay parks
listed and can report that they all have ticks.  :/  But seriously,
they have several parks listed that I did not know about.

On a related note, does anyone know of ANY parks in the greater Bay
Area where dogs have legal water access, i.e. swimming allowed?

thanks,
jim (and dylan)

Hi everyone,
I was asked to pass along information for the event below.

Thanks!
-mtnviewdog
------------------------------------
EVENT: 49th Annual Paws for Applause
DATE: February 22, 2002 6:30 - 9:30 pm
LOCATION: Foster City Recreation Center
CONTACT: April Yamaichi, april@...,
650.340.7022  x375.

DESCRIPTION: Each year the Peninsula Humane Society pays tribute to a
unique group of heroes, individuals, and organizations whose efforts
have helped improve the quality of life for animals. At this year's
49th annual Paws for Applause awards ceremony, on Friday, February
22, 2002 at 6:30 pm, we will honor these individuals and organizations.
The event takes place at the Foster City Recreation Center. Several
awards will be given, including the Humane-itarian Award to the
National Disaster Search Dog Foundation for its contribution following
the tragic events of September 11. Ken White, the Peninsula Humane
Society's new Executive Director, will be the keynote speaker for this
event.

The cost is $40 per person, which includes hors d'oeuvres, coffee,
and dessert. A no-host bar will be available. Invite your friends and
family to this event! We promise you will walk away from this
uplifting event with amazing stories that you can pass onto others
about people who care about and support animals.

Invitations will be sent out the end of January. If you would like to
have one mailed to you, please contact April Yamaichi at
april@... or call 650.340.7022 x375. Online
registration will be available the end of January as well.

At tonight's Mtn. View City Council meeting, the following was
approved by a vote of 6-0 by the Board:

   1.  Designate the current dog park site on Shoreline Boulevard
at North Road as a permanent dog park for the City of Mountain
View;

   2.  Appropriate a transfer of $12,500 to the Community Services
Department budget from the Shoreline Regional Park
Community Fund to increase the base budget of the Community
Services Department for ongoing operating costs assosicated
with the dog park;

   3.  Appropriate a transfer of $16,000 to the Commumity
Services Department budget from the Shoreline Regional Park
Community Fund for the purchase and installation of a shade
structure for the small dog area of the dog park (one-time
expenditure);

   4.  Appropriate a transfer of $15,000 to the Commumity
Services Department budget from the Shoreline Regional Park
Community Fund for parking lot improvements (one-time
expenditure); and

   5.  Authorize the investivation (i.e. budget, usage) for the lighting
of the dog park.


I don't know if any of you were at the meeting or saw it on tv (or
fell asleep during the mayoral debate and ensuing vote), but the
council had no qualms in approving nos. 1-4.  They hesitated on
"conceptually approving lighting" as it was written in the meeting
agenda, and instead wanted more information on costs before
giving any approvals, so the motion which passed was for
"authorizing the investigation" of more lighting.  In my humble
opinion I think this is probably more of a formality than anything.
No one seemed to have a problem with the concept of lights,
they just wanted to know what it would cost.

Special thanks should go out to Paula Bettencourt of the city staff
for her work to get this recommendation before the council.

Welcome to the dog park group.  I think there are enough people
joined now to send the first message!

For those of you who may not know...
On Tuesday, January 8, 2002, the Mountain View City Council will
consider a recommendation from the Parks and Recreation Committee
concerning the Dog Park.  The meeting will be held at City Hall,
Council Chambers, 500 Castro Street beginning at 6:30 p.m.
Recommendations include:

- Designate the current temporary Dog Park as a permanent facility
in the city of Mountain View
- Installation of a shade structure in the small dog area
- Improvements to the parking lot surface at the Dog Park
- Conceptually approve lighting the Dog Park

If you are not able to attend the meeting but would like to provide
the council with your thoughts, or if you have questions, you may
call (650) 903-6392 or e-mail to:  paula.bettencourt@...