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In a message dated 12/29/2006 9:16:59 AM Eastern Standard Time,
green@... writes:

> I don't know that state laws would supersede Federal laws. Likely it works
> the other way around...so that maybe this does apply to state agents?
>
> It would be useful since the states are the ones now implementing NAIS and
> other invasice programs such as the NY farm building inspection etc.
>

I have written to attorneys and anti-NAIS activists Judith McGeary and Karin
Berginer for an answer.  Will let you all know what they say.
Karen

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#6296

From: "Green Meads Farm" <green@...>
Date: Fri Dec 29, 2006 4:57 pm
Subject: RE: [n2n4h] FW: [morgans] EVH-1 Update- Important information FYI

jmorse

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Try: http://snipurl.com/1643a





Jeff Morse



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From: no2nais4horses@yahoogroups.com [mailto:no2nais4horses@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of horsepatsy
Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 10:43 AM
To: no2nais4horses@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [n2n4h] FW: [morgans] EVH-1 Update- Important information FYI



If this link is correct the international import quarantine time can
be as little as 3 days. Can that possibly be correct?

http://www.equibus. <http://www.equibus.com/index.asp?pageid=50>
com/index.asp?pageid=50






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#6295

From: docketdog1@...
Date: Fri Dec 29, 2006 11:40 am
Subject: Re: [n2n4h] ,Equine Herpesvirus

docketdog

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What is the rest of the url?
Joyce in Ohio


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#6294

From: "Green Meads Farm" <green@...>
Date: Fri Dec 29, 2006 3:53 pm
Subject: RE: [n2n4h] FW: [morgans] EVH-1 Update- Important information FYI

jmorse

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That has been my experience. I had a horse shipped here from Australia a few
years ago and it was in quarantine for 30 days before he left and only 3
days after arriving here.



Jeff Morse ~



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On Behalf Of horsepatsy
Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 10:43 AM
To: no2nais4horses@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [n2n4h] FW: [morgans] EVH-1 Update- Important information FYI



If this link is correct the international import quarantine time can
be as little as 3 days. Can that possibly be correct?

http://www.equibus. <http://www.equibus.com/index.asp?pageid=50>
com/index.asp?pageid=50

Ann





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#6293

From: "horsepatsy" <fullcirclefarm360@...>
Date: Fri Dec 29, 2006 3:43 pm
Subject: Re: [n2n4h] FW: [morgans] EVH-1 Update- Important information FYI

horsepatsy

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If this link is correct the international import quarantine time can
be as little as 3 days. Can that possibly be correct?

http://www.equibus.com/index.asp?pageid=50

Ann

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>
> Thanks Jeff - that was excellent!
> Karen
>
>
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#6292

From: "twhsmith.geo" <twhsmith.geo@...>
Date: Fri Dec 29, 2006 3:35 pm
Subject: ,Equine Herpesvirus

twhsmith.geo

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Hi All,
   If you are worried about the Herpesvirus in your area, you may try
supplementing your horses with L Lysine. It is inexpensive. I used is
for my kitten that I adopted from the Shelter. She had an URI and my
vaccinated older cat got it, too.

   A worker at the shelter clinic told my that it prevents cold sore
outbreaks in people--- she used it. Here is more info
http://www.forces-of-
nature.net/topics/herpes/Bulk_Veterinary_Lysine.htm L Lysine can be
purchased in bulk powder form from many health food/vitamin stores.

   It may be worth a try.
          Vicky Smith

#6291

From: arlene aquino <gone2thedogz2004@...>
Date: Fri Dec 29, 2006 3:13 pm
Subject: Re: [n2n4h] Another Program Named NAIS

gone2thedogz...

Online Now

I just submitted mine too!  Let's go git 'em!


Gisela Swift <gisela@...> wrote:   BlankHere is another chance to get
NAIS out, I dont know how this works but you submit your answer to this
question,
What was the most under-reported story of 2006 and what makes it so important?
I submitted mine.

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index;_ylc=X3oDMTFtMXI2N3ZvBF9TAzI3MTYxNDkEX3M\
DMzk2NTQ1MTAzBHNlYwNmcm9udCBwYWdlBHNsawNGUC1Ub2RheUludA--?qid=20061220093804AAxD\
GgD&fr=hp





Gisela
SAY NO NAIS
http://nonais.org/ INFORMATION HERE
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AlaskaNONAIS/ ALASKA DISCUSSION
AlaskaNONAIS-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
Americans_Against_NAIS-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
http://www.downsizedc.org/ TAKE ACTION HERE
http://libertyark.net
http://www.farmandranchfreedom.org

"Don't track my ass, my cow, my pig, my goat or my horse."
God has allowed a �few� of his listener�s (noNAIS�ers) to Awaken to this threat
of NAIS.
"Those who refuse to learn from the mistakes of history are doomed to repeat
them".
You are the best protection your horses have! Say NO TO NAIS



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From: "Gisela Swift" <gisela@...>
Date: Thu Dec 28, 2006 11:18 pm
Subject: What was the most under-reported story of 2006 and what makes it so important?

foulkeg99645

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BlankHere is another chance to get NAIS out, I dont know how this works but you
submit your answer to this question,
What was the most under-reported story of 2006 and what makes it so important?
I submitted mine.

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index;_ylc=X3oDMTFtMXI2N3ZvBF9TAzI3MTYxNDkEX3M\
DMzk2NTQ1MTAzBHNlYwNmcm9udCBwYWdlBHNsawNGUC1Ub2RheUludA--?qid=20061220093804AAxD\
GgD&fr=hp





Gisela
SAY NO NAIS
http://nonais.org/  INFORMATION HERE
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AlaskaNONAIS/   ALASKA DISCUSSION
AlaskaNONAIS-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
Americans_Against_NAIS-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
http://www.downsizedc.org/  TAKE ACTION HERE
http://libertyark.net
http://www.farmandranchfreedom.org

"Don't track my ass, my cow, my pig, my goat or my horse."
God has allowed a �few� of his listener�s (noNAIS�ers) to Awaken to this threat
of NAIS.
"Those who refuse to learn from the mistakes of history are doomed to repeat
them".
You are the best protection your horses have!  Say NO TO  NAIS



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#6279

From: KNowak5170@...
Date: Thu Dec 28, 2006 1:20 pm
Subject: Re: [n2n4h] FW: [morgans] EVH-1 Update- Important information FYI

knowak5170

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Thanks Jeff - that was excellent!
Karen


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#6278

From: "Green Meads Farm" <green@...>
Date: Thu Dec 28, 2006 5:14 pm
Subject: FW: [morgans] EVH-1 Update- Important information FYI

jmorse

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I pass this on for two reasons:



1. it contains a lot of useful information about EHV1

2. It demonstrates how well the equine community responds to a deadly
contagious disease which had it's start inNJ, traveled to Florida an dnow is
in California.



Note there is no mention here of any inability to track these horses.

I don't think NAIS would have significantly changed any of the outcomes.



Sorry it's rather long.



Jeff Morse ~ Carriage Training & Morgan Horses

Green Meads Farm ~ Richmond, MA   <http://www.green.meads.com/>
www.green.meads.com



This is an update on the EHV1 situation in California provided by a
> polo playing veterinarian. It is followed by an essay on prevention
> of the problem and my view of the rational use of vaccines in general
> and especially as used in the prevention of this particular disease.
> The essay is long but it is an important and timely topic.
>
> There has been a well publicized outbreak of the neurological form of
> EHV1 that has occurred in Wellington, Fla. over the past two weeks.
> This outbreak has now spread to California. A cargo load of show
> horses shipped from New Jersey to LAX on approximately 12/10/06.
> Included among the equine passengers was a horse already deeply into
> the contagious form of the disease that had vanned up from
> Wellington. After landing in LA, this animal shipped to Del Mar.
> Within 48 hours of his arrival in Del Mar he began showing a high
> fever (over 105) and signs of depression. Despite appropriate
> treatment, he quickly showed the classic signs of weakness and ataxia
> (drunkenness) involving primarily the rear legs. He became recumbent,
> was unable to rise and was put down. This all happened within 72
> hours of his arrival in CA (source, Dr. Paul McClellan, private
> correspondence, 12/18/06).
>
> The other horses in the same load were unknowingly dispersed to
> various points in CA. As of this writing, several are showing fevers
> and the barns are under a voluntary quarantine. It remains to be seen
> whether these measures will be sufficient to prevent further spread
> of the disease. Most probably we will continue to see other small
> outbreaks. Please understand that these outbreaks do not feel small
> if they occur in or near your barn. The feelings that are generated
> among the unfortunate horse-owning public in proximity to an outbreak
> must be akin to what people worldwide felt in the early part of the
> twentieth century as the Great Influenza Plague swept world wide. The
> outbreak is not small if you stand any chance of being involved. It
> is only through diligence that we will be able to control this outbreak.
>
> The earliest signs of infection are fatigue, depression and fever.
> Horses with this and many other diseases act like they have a deep,
> dull head ache (to me, if a horse acts like he has a headache, he has
> a headache).
>
> If you have a horse with these signs, especially if there has been
> horse traffic in your barn within the previous 10 days, please call
> your veterinarian. I will discuss the public's and the veterinarian's
> role in controlling this outbreak toward the end of this essay.
>
> It is interesting to note that the disease is currently not a
> reportable disease in California. That means that health authorities
> are not required to track the disease, to keep statistics on it or to
> disseminate information to health workers. It also means that all
> quarantines in this state are strictly voluntary in nature. Horse
> owners tend to be a responsible, inquisitive sort and there would be
> intense peer pressure against any individual knowingly breaking even
> a voluntary quarantine. There may also be legal ramifications if a
> person willfully and knowingly breaks quarantine. This would be
> similar, I think, to AIDS carriers being sued for spreading the
> disease by continuing to engage in unprotected sex.
>
> EHV1 is a herpes viral infection. Like other herpes viruses, it can
> lie dormant within the body for weeks, months and even years. While
> dormant, it escapes notice of the bodies own immune system until it
> can begin to multiply rapidly enough to cause clinical signs. It is
> able to suddenly multiply not by undergoing some mutation that allows
> it to escape surveillance. Rather, it is via a breakdown in the
> body's immune surveillance or response system. In essence, there is a
> "dip" in the ability to mount an appropriate immune response.
>
> The most common cause of a decreased immune response is that over
> worked word, stress. This can be in the form of poor nutrition, pain,
> anti-inflammatory drugs used to decrease pain, travel, changed social
> structures (think: break up with a boyfriend and the cold sore that
> you sometimes get after that; of course, sometimes a break up is a
> joyous occasion!) or concurrent disease states.
>
> Vaccinations are a stress on the body sufficient to cause a transient
> but significant dip in immunity.
>
> The majority of EHV infections in horses are EHV1 or 4. EHV1 is much
> more prevalent and more serious. There are three forms: respiratory,
> late term abortions in pregnant mares or, rarely, the neurological
> form. EHV4 is strictly respiratory infections. The neurological form
> is the most serious and often progresses to recumbancy and death.
> Treatment is limited to supportive help and some direct anti viral
> medication. Survivors are chronic shedders.
>
> The neurological form of the disease tends to occur in sporadic but
> deadly clusters. The first horses involved tend to be some population
> of horses subject to typical show or race stress.
>
> The typical stresses felt by this population include, but are not be
> limited to:
> intermittent travel,
> social isolation (stall confinement),
> exposure to a changing population of equine neighbors,
> exposure to other communicable diseases,
> performance in the face of low or moderate grade musculo-skeletal
> injuries,
> performance-enhancing medications,
> a diet too rich in cereal grains but low in anti-oxidants,
> short or little breaks from the same training routine, and
> little to no time spent outside, grazing green grass.
> There is often a history of a vaccination within the preceding 60
> days, sometimes even for Rhinopneumonitis (EHV).
>
> Once started, infection can spread by direct contact, aerosolized
> particles or mechanical vectors. The virus is not especially long
> lived in the environment and is susceptible to almost all properly
> applied disinfectants.
>
> In 2004 there was an outbreak of the neurological form of EHV1 at
> Finley University in Ohio. That outbreak claimed the lives of over 20
> horses. This was despite heroic 24-hour care provided by the two
> veterinarians on staff. What was note worthy about that outbreak was
> that both the morbidity (attack rate) and mortality (death rate) were
> higher in horses vaccinated for the disease than among those never
> vaccinated (Dr. Stephen Reed, Ohio State University, January, 2004,
> personal communication). I am aware of how discouraging that
> statement reads to Vets and the public alike. If vaccinated horses
> are at, the very least, not more immune to the neurological form of
> EHV1, then what options do we have?
>
> We do have options available to us. These include the proper use of
> vaccines and a larger view of health. The answer to this puzzle lies
> in the way vaccines achieve their effectiveness.
>
> Vaccines present to the body a modified form of the infectious agent
> that the body can recognize as foreign and wage a brief and
> successful battle. When exposed to the same infectious agent in the
> future (that is, exposed to the disease), the response will be
> quicker and more efficient. The body wins the battle without becoming
> sick at all or, perhaps, not as sick.
>
> Each and every vaccination causes a transient dip in the body's level
> of immunity as the body fights the battle and processes the
> information for the future use.
>
> The more vaccines that are grouped together in one vaccine, the more
> profound are the transient negative effect upon the bodies' immune
> status.
>
> Grouping vaccines together also negatively impacts the bodies'
> ability to respond to each individual vaccine. For the sake of
> convenience and economy, most of our equine vaccines are grouped
> together in batches. For example, the commonly used 4-way vaccine
> contains Eastern and Western encephalomyelitis, Influenza (flu) and
> tetanus. We often add other vaccines at the same time such as Rabies
> or Rhino. There is now on the market a 6-way vaccine which adds
> Venezuelan encephalomyelitis and Rhino to the already over-loaded
> vaccine. I would advise you to try to limit your use of these vaccines.
>
> Do not use the 6-way vaccine; the downside is greater than the
> potential benefit.
>
> Try at the very least to avoid vaccination with more than one vaccine
> at a time.
>
> Do not go to vaccine clinics where horses are vaccinated for many
> diseases at the same time.
>
> If your veterinarian performs your vaccinations, see if you can
> influence him to not group vaccines. Perhaps if you offer to van the
> horse to his place of business or allow him to send a technician over
> to perform the mechanical act of giving one vaccine at a time. More
> effort will lead to better results and fewer complications.
>
> The sense of urgency that we sometimes feel as regards vaccinations
> is generally due to external perceptions about the need to vaccinate.
> This is often due to the need to adhere to some new requirements such
> as travel to a foreign country, a different state or to a new barn
> that has more stringent vaccination requirements. The most dangerous
> sense of urgency comes as an urge to vaccinate because of a fear of
> recent exposure to disease. The desire to vaccinate in the face of a
> potential recent exposure is an understandable one. After all, we are
> helping him to resist the disease, right?
>
> The answer to that question, in the short term, is an emphatic NO.
>
> It is the short term that we are concerned about after potential
> exposure. We have discussed how vaccination causes a short term dip
> in the immunity in general. This dip in immunity is, logically but
> unfortunately, especially pronounced for the disease we are
> vaccinating against!
>
> Thus, if your horse has had potential exposure to EHV1 (also known as
> Equine Herpes or Rhinopneumonitis) and is potentially incubating the
> virus, vaccinating him will actually increase the odds that he
> develops clinical signs. In the case of the neurological form of
> EHV1, this is a potentially fatal decision. For most other diseases,
> the ramifications are not so dire. Sickness is usually just an
> unfortunate event that horses and humans will generally recover from.
> Nature is, after all, on our side.
>
> The experience of vaccinating and aiding the appearance of clinical
> disease was brought clear to me as when I worked as a farm
> veterinarian. I would inevitably see an increase in the number of
> runny noses, coughs and fevers following the herd administration of a
> round of flu/rhino vaccine given to young foals. Unfortunately, at
> that time I could not put the facts together correctly and, instead,
> reacted to the situation by stubbornly continuing to vaccinate horses
> at a younger and younger age. Needless to say, this did not solve the
> problem.
>
> The correct response was probably to develop as hardy a group of
> foals as possible in a large farm situation. This would include
> allowing them opportunity for reasonable exercise (note: I did not
> say unlimited exercise unless Darwinian survival is what you are
> after. Most owners will have a very hard time with that explanation.
> I tried it once and will never go there again), decrease relative and
> absolute over-crowding in all paddocks and pastures, decrease dust
> and heat exposure and pay attention to correct nutrition. Correct
> nutrition includes both the creep feed for the foals as well as for
> the dam throughout her pregnancy. Also important is the benefit of
> quarantine of new arrivals from young stock for 21 days. This will
> cut down on preventable exposure. I know that vaccination is easier
> to institute than this list. Institution of all of these measures on
> a farm at the same time is seldom practical in my practice area.
>
> What remains true is that vaccination, in-of-itself is not
> sufficiently effective and can, in fact, be counter productive.
>
> Does this mean we are not to vaccinate our livestock? Of course not,
> It does mean that you, as the horse owning public and ultimate
> consumer, can easily understand the more rational use of vaccines.
>
> Use the best quality vaccine possible, use them sparingly but at
> appropriate times, group vaccines as little as possible, separate
> their administration by 10 days, do not vaccinate 21 days before or
> after vanning horses.
>
> Perhaps most importantly, do not vaccinate in the face of possible
> exposure to a disease.
>
>
> What then is the best response to possible exposure to a contagious
> disease? The response would be the same whether the disease is
> influenza, Strangles or, as in the current situation, EHV1. The
> rational approach is to bolster the immune response.
>
> Decrease stress as much as possible, increase the quality and
> quantity of high quality nutritional support and begin immune
> stimulants as quickly as possible.
>
> The immune stimulants that we use are generally of two types, the
> oral supplements and the injectable medication designed for intra-
> venous administration. These two forms of administration can and
> should be combined.
>
> For oral support, we use Transfer Factor (Life Data Labs) and
> Platinum Performance (Platinum Products). We follow label
> administration directions.
>
> For IV use, Eq-stim and Zylexis (Pfizer) are the two choices.
> Zylexis has been tested specifically against viruses prior to its
> recent release on the open market.
>
> If there is a concern about exposure to EHV1, use the Zylexis and the
> oral supplements as discussed.
>
> The administration schedule for both Eq-stim and Zylexis is similar.
> It is listed to give a total of 3 injections, day 1, day 4 and day 7.
> At the least, separate their administrations by 48 hours. A single
> shot helps, 2 shots are better than 1, and 3 better than 2.
>
> A situation may change dramatically in a short time period and not
> necessitate the expense, time and potential complications of IV shots.
>
> Stay informed and get the most current and accurate information from
> your veterinarian.
>
> In Ohio in 2003, Finley University had a large scale outbreak of the
> neurological form of EHV1 in the show horse population. Despite
> heroic 24-hour care given by the 2 veterinarians on staff, over
> twenty animals died or were euthanized. What is of interest in this
> case was that animals vaccinated against EHV1/4 had both a higher
> morbidity (attack rate) and mortality (death rate) as compared to the
> horses that no vaccinations at all
> (Dr. Stephen Reed, The Ohio State University, private correspondence,
> January 24, 2003).
>
> There is yet hope to be gleaned from this grim fact. The few horses
> that were vaccinated with a particular monovalent vaccine specific to
> EHV1, a modified life vaccine, suffered no deaths. The numbers,
> however, were small.
>
> Please understand, there are few miracles in life and there are no
> miracle drugs. However, there is a difference in the immunity
> conferred upon your horse depending on which vaccine you use.
>
> By far the preferred vaccine to use in the present situation is
> called Rhinomune (Pfizer). It is a modified life vaccine (easiest on
> the body), monovalent (no EHV4 or any other antigen to dilute the
> immune response) and it is safe. This is the same vaccine that was
> distributed by Norden in the 1970s and 1980s. It has been around for
> 35 years and has been proven to be safe.
>
> Do not use the Pneumobort K vaccine made by Fort Dodge. This is a
> poor quality vaccine with poor ability to stimulate immunity. Why
> else would brood mares have to be vaccinated with numbing regularit!
> y at months 5, 7 and 9 every year of pregnancy? How long would
> pregnant women remain quiescent if this were prescribed for them? Why
> do our horses continue to have to be subjected to this vaccine? If we
> were not so used to this situation we would raise our voices in
> disgust that this vaccine is still around.
>
> More effective than Pneumobort K are the flu/Rhino and EHV1/4
> combination vaccines. These are better than nothing but horses
> vaccinated with these vaccines have been shown to succumb to the
> disease and still die.
>
>
> In the simplest terms:
>
> Do not vaccinate your horse if your horse has potentially been
> exposed to EHV1.
>
> Treat him like royalty for 21 days and keep your ears and eyes open
> to what is happening in your local area.
>
> If he shows no signs of disease at 21 days, go back to your old
> routine. Feel free to vaccinate him at that point in time.
>
> The most effective vaccine to use prior to exposure is Rhinomune
> (Pfizer).
>
> Repeat the vaccination in three weeks.
>
>
>
> We must all be vigilant to stop the spread of this disease in
> California.
>
> If you feel your horse is depressed, has a fever especially if there
> is nasal discharge present, you can not assume, at this moment in
> time, that your horse has a cold and will self-heal.
>
> Please call your veterinarian, ask him to test the horse for Equine
> Herpes Virus exposure using blood (buffy coat PCR) or nasal swabs
> (virus isolation). He may not want to come out (give the guy a break,
> he deserves it).
>
> These are fairly simple diagnostic procedures that can be performed
> by a veterinary technician. Give him verbal permission to send a
> technician, and release him from liability concerns. The results
> should be available soon and chances are overwhelming that you can
> stop worrying. Your neighbors will appreciate your efforts.
>
> Merry Christmas and good will to all, especially the hard working and
> talented polo ponies of this world
>
> Noel S. Muller, DVM
>
> Los Caballos Equine Practice, Inc
> Galt CA 95632
> 209 334 1660
>
> <mailto:LosCaballos2@ <mailto:LosCaballos2%40aol.com> aol.com>
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#6277

From: docketdog1@...
Date: Thu Dec 28, 2006 11:18 am
Subject: Re: [n2n4h] help us save a life before the NEW YEAR!!! URGENT !!!!!

docketdog

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It might be better to contact the humane society in the area or the animal
warden and donate to either a vet to care for her or a feed store instead.   I
believe I read on another list that this horse is being taken care of
and a horse in bad shape must be fed only small amounts often  instead of two
or three times a day.
Joyce in Ohio


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#6276

From: KNowak5170@...
Date: Thu Dec 28, 2006 8:57 am
Subject: Farm Building Inspections - Important Info

knowak5170

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FYI
Karen
Subj:   IMPORTANT INFORMATION: PLEASE READ TODAY�
Date:   12/27/2006 5:01:03 PM Eastern Standard Time
From:   New_York_Farm_Bureau@...
Sent from the Internet (Details)

Building Inspections by Towns Start January 1, 2007

The New York Department of State recently issued new regulations governing
the inspection of all non-residential buildings by town officials.� Under these
new regulations, which go in to effect on January 1, 2007, all non-residential
buildings, including farm buildings, will need to be inspected every three
years for compliance with the property maintenance code and certain aspects of
the fire safety code.

While historically farm buildings have been exempt from the building code,
they have had to adhere to the property maintenance code and fire safety code
provisions dealing with general safety methodologies and practices.�
Unfortunately, the recently revised versions of these codes were intended for
non-residential buildings such as office buildings and do not recognize the
unique nature
of farm buildings.� They therefore have a series of requirements that could
prove to be quite costly to farmers.� Beyond that there has been no clear
guidance given to farmers about which aspects of the fire code they need to
follow.

New York Farm Bureau has been actively engaged with the Department of State
over the past few months to address this situation.� While the Department has
committed to addressing this issue, a formal solution will not be possible
until after the regulations are in place.� With that in mind, the Department is
advising towns to NOT inspect farm buildings until after a formal solution has
been reached.

TAKE ACTION: if you are visited by a building inspector:

Recognizing that not all towns may receive this position from the Department,
we are advising farms to politely request that any building inspector intent
on inspecting the farm first contact:

Cheryl Fischer, P.E. Assistant Director of Code Interpretations
New York State Department of State Code Enforcement and Administration
41 State Street, Suite 1130, Albany, NY 12231
Tel: 518-474-4073
FAX: 518-486-4487

Additionally, in order to protect your livestock, building inspectors should
be adhering to appropriate biosecurity protocols when entering the farm.� A
list of Best Management Practices for farm visitors can be found on our website:
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#6275

From: "rescuesierra" <rescuesierra@...>
Date: Thu Dec 28, 2006 4:44 am
Subject: help us save a life before the NEW YEAR!!! URGENT !!!!!

rescuesierra

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Hello! this posting is to help a severly neglected horse. her name
is Sierra she is 22 years old. she is a Thoroughbred mare. she is a
very sweet horse in a very bad situation, she is very very
emaciated, she has a busted up knee that was never taken care of,
she has 3 swollen legs and hasn't had her feet done in god knows how
long ago. the people that own her don't feed her or water her.
although she does have some water that she won't drink it is that
green and slimy. her stall has a foot of manure packed in it and her
back is about an inch away from the ceiling of her stall. we have
been trying to get her out of thissituation for about a month now
and NO ONE is helping! not the SPCA not the State police. NOBODY at
all. all the people that could help her is not aloud for this
county. so i am going to be raising money to get her out of there.
we need $250.00 to get her out of there. then we are going to be
donating her to a horse rescue to get her back up to health. please
if you can help HELP! if you do not want to bid on any of my
auctions you can also donated money  to the SierraFund PAYPAL to
email address corona17881@... any donation would help even if it
was $1 anything would help. we also have auction listings on
stampedeauction.com under merchandise under
username "winninghorses"  TO SEE PICTURES OF THIS HORSE BEFORE SHE
WAS  TURNED INTO WHAT SHE IS NOW AND ALSO OF WHAT SHE LOOKS LIKE NOW
IN THIS SITUATION OR IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO ASK QUESTIONS PLEASE EMAIL
ME PRIVATE, I CHECK MY PRIVATE EMAIL FIRST BEFORE ALL OTHERS AT:
corona17881@...  remember no donation is too small when it
comess to saving a life! and lets give sierra a new start for
the "NEW YEAR"

#6274

From: renee <reneepecos@...>
Date: Tue Dec 26, 2006 4:11 pm
Subject: Re: [n2n4h] Oklahoma

reneepecos

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Are you on the Oklahoma against NAIS group at Yahoo?  I am in Arkansas but you
have a very active group there and they seem to be keeping up with everything. 
I also watch what is going on with the equines since I am the equine rep for
Arkansas Animal Producers Association.  Our website tries to cover everything we
hear about NAIS.

http://arkansasanimalproducers.8k.com/
Renee

-----Original Message-----
>From: Green Meads Farm <green@...>
>Sent: Dec 23, 2006 6:34 AM
>To: no2nais4horses@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [n2n4h] Oklahoma
>
>
>I'd like to hear from anyone who knows about the current status of NAIS at
>the state level in Oklahoma. You can respond to me privately.
>
>Jeff Morse
>
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>
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>
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>Yahoo! Groups Links
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#6273

From: "Andy & Nancy Wessel" <wessel@...>
Date: Tue Dec 26, 2006 1:46 pm
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas

stbdhead

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<<Firstly, merry Christmas everyone! (now it's twice as much fun to wish
people a merry Christmas, since doing so annoys the "politically
correct" scrooges and and those who want to live in the USA, just to
get money, etc. from us, but don't want to accept American culture).>>

AMEN to that!! Right back at 'cha!

<< Unfortunately, this nation probably doesn't have enough tar and
feathers available to the average consumer for everyone to get some to
use on their "favorite" politicians---who, hopefully, all received
stockings full of switches this morning, and nothing else, if Santa is
doing his work properly.>>

You do realize that they will figure it out and prevent Santa from doing his
job soon. After all, how dare he go bouncing around the planet, ignoring all
borders and no fly zones with those flithy reindeer spreading diseases like
hoof and mouth and CWD! It's not legal to bring deer into many states now as
it is! THAT'll keep him from bringing those switches & coal next year....<
*wink*>

Happy New Year to all anyway.

Nancy W

#6272

From: "R. D. Davis" <rdd@...>
Date: Mon Dec 25, 2006 5:35 pm
Subject: NAIS, Competitions and Imported Status Symbols

woodland_dra...

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Firstly, merry Christmas everyone! (now it's twice as much fun to wish
people a merry Christmas, since doing so annoys the "politically
correct" scrooges and and those who want to live in the USA, just to
get money, etc. from us, but don't want to accept American culture).

A copy of something that I just posted elsewhere in response to someone
mentioning that EHV virus and its connection with horses being imported
from Europe and the international transport of horses for competitions:

The solution, until the diseases can be eliminated without destroying
horses, then is to simply ban international competitions rather than
worry about diseases coming into the country. People, and their
horses, in the USA should not be put at risk, and inconvenienced, just
so a relatively few people can compete internationally, or even state
to state, with so much frequency. The same goes for importing horses
from outside the country. We have no shortage of horses in this
country, there's no need to keep importing more horses just so that a
relatively few people can have one of the latest status symbols
imported from wherever, when horses available here will suffice quite
nicely.

A related example: My 35 year old Mercury gets me where I want to go,
and in sufficient comfort, so I feel no desire to own one of those
fancy imported cars; but then, I'm not one who falls for sales
pitches, pays any attention to commercials or feels a need to have any
status symbols. After all, look at how many people who act like
savages, and live in ghettos, drive expensive foreign cars (either
through theft, "creative" fiancing, illegal sources of income, or
having nothing else, etc.)  who have "status" symbols---which, of
course, means that status symbols are meaningless since many of those
driving them have no desirable social status.  Hah! :-) "Status"
symbols are funny! :-) :-) :-)

This nation has gone for how many years without the need for things so
ludicrous, freedom-averse and fascist as both the NAIS and the AHPA?
We didn't need them in years past, and don't need them now. We just
have politicians who have gone mad with an obsession for control over
people's lives and a destire to placate a relatively few people who
desire to be convenienced at the expense and inconvenience of everyone
else.

Please remember that the AHPA, and related state laws, are every bit
as dangerous, and as much, if not more so, of a problem to be dealt
with than just the NAIS. The NAIS couldn't succeed at all if the AHPA
and related laws were done away with. Of course, we must also get
politicians out of office who enact such legislation, who have so
little respect for freedom and liberty.

Unfortunately, this nation probably doesn't have enough tar and
feathers available to the average consumer for everyone to get some to
use on their "favorite" politicians---who, hopefully, all received
stockings full of switches this morning, and nothing else, if Santa is
doing his work properly.

Merry Christmas!

--
R. D. Davis 410-744-4900  Beware & halt the National Animal ID System (NAIS)!
www.rddavis.org             http://nonais.org  http://www.libertyark.org
www.danglingspiders.com   http://www.rddavis.org/equitation/freedom-vs-id.html
Dangling Spiders Electronic Music Studio       http://www.stopanimalid.org

#6271

From: "horsepatsy" <fullcirclefarm360@...>
Date: Sun Dec 24, 2006 7:17 pm
Subject: Another example of misuse of personal information

horsepatsy

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http://news.com.com/Feds+Homeland+Security+project+didnt+protect+privac
y/2100-1029_3-6145796.html?tag=nefd.top

The above article has a link to a GAO report on violations of the 1974
privacy act. Since the federal NAIS is not disclosing how information
is being added to their database I wonder if they are in violation of
this act?

Ann

#6270

From: "Gisela Swift" <gisela@...>
Date: Sat Dec 23, 2006 11:30 pm
Subject: Fw: Endtime NoNationalID & Prophetic Events Newsletter - December 21, 2006

foulkeg99645

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See below for Real ID
Gisela
SAY NO NAIS
http://nonais.org/  INFORMATION HERE
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AlaskaNONAIS/   ALASKA DISCUSSION
AlaskaNONAIS-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
Americans_Against_NAIS-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
http://www.downsizedc.org/  TAKE ACTION HERE
http://www.stopanimalid.org/
http://libertyark.net
http://www.farmandranchfreedom.org

"Don't track my ass, my cow, my pig, my goat or my horse."
God has allowed a "few" of his listener's (noNAIS'ers) to Awaken to this threat
of NAIS.
"Those who refuse to learn from the mistakes of history are doomed to repeat
them".
You are the best protection your horses have!  Say NO TO  NAIS
----- Original Message -----
From: Endtime Ministries
To: gisela@...
Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2006 2:18 PM
Subject: Endtime NoNationalID & Prophetic Events Newsletter - December 21, 2006


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#6269

From: "horsepatsy" <fullcirclefarm360@...>
Date: Sat Dec 23, 2006 2:27 pm
Subject: Is there a link between microchips and cancer?

horsepatsy

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Interesting article:

http://freedom.org/news/200612/20/janewilliams.phtml

Ann

#6268

From: "Stephen Barackman" <esbee@...>
Date: Sat Dec 23, 2006 2:20 pm
Subject: Re: [n2n4h] Re: Unbelievable New Ordinance in KY

esbee3853

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I just wrote to lousiville mayor and here is what i wrote...RE: animal pet,
spay and neuter law



I am for spaying and neutering pets but not as a law.  It will be too hard
to enforce.

I think you forgot this is America. Your regulations sound like something
out of a communist country!



Think of all the your citizens who live on a poverty level.  They have no
money, but they have pets. Think of those who already disobey laws no matter
what.  They have pets.   What about the rural areas where there are barn
cats that are mostly wild.  There will be as many kittens and puppies born
in those areas as there always was.  And they will not be your quality
animals like those who purposely breed for show or for sale. You will be
costing responsible pet breeders their constitutional freedoms to pusue
happiness and regulating their businesses with more costs.



Your new law has  just turned honest citizens into criminals. How many do
you think will call the Director to report their pet just had an unlawful
litter of kittens or puppies? You are putting more on hard working
veterinarians by turning them into spies.



   Are you following the fine example of communist China?  One family, one
child, one dog, which may or may not be on the menu.  And the dog must a
small dog.  You must surely recall how they handled their supposed rabies
outbreak.  Jerk healthy animals out of the hands of their owners, club them
to death, rather than vaccinate.  And leave dead bodies for decay and
disease. You make this law, how long before you make laws similar to those?



You will only be saddling those who already obey laws with more regulations.
And saddling law officers who already have their hands full of going after
real criminals wasting their time on piddling stuff, like answering calls
about all those unlawful litters of kittens or puppies that was against the
law to be born.



Speaking of saddling.  Making a horse owner stop to pick up manure and carry
it on the rest of the trail ride is ridiculous.  Do you really want to ride
with a great big black plastic garbage baggie of fresh steaming horse poop
on your saddle which weighs over 10 lbs.  Get real! Horse manure is
biodegradeable!  And many horses are very afraid of plastic bags.  You are
heading for a lawsuit should someone's horse spook because of this stupid
ordinance.





Yes, I know about the millions of unwanted cats/dogs that are put to sleep.
Why not use education in the schools and media  to spread the word about
spaying and neutering their pets? It worked for trees, and other politically
correct stuff!



You did not listen to the wants and needs or your citizens. By listening to
PETA and other Animal Rights activists, who really want to destroy animal
ownership in the US (hmm..sounds like communist China!) you only gave
yourself, your law officers and your citizens a great big regulatory fur
ball to choke on!


Subject: [n2n4h] Re: Unbelievable New Ordinance in KY


>If you would like to write to Louisville Mayor Abramson and politely ask
>him
> to VETO this unacceptable bill, you can write to him at
> mayor@...
>
> It is not actually law yet, and has not been signed by the mayor.  It
> cannot
> go into effect until 90 days after it is signed.  Some of the democrats
> that
> are currently council members are being replaced by republicans in January
> of 2007, which is why they pushed to get this ordinance out of the council
> in 2006.  Kelly Downard, one of our biggest supporters is forming a task
> force to start making amendments to this PROPOSED Ordinance as of January
> 1,
> 2007.  In short folks, this is not a done deal.
>
>




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