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OT: Double dilute and genetic test

Kent wrote:

>> Thanks very much for the info and the paper. I think I'll avoid the breeder in question. They may produce good collies but I think it's a bit irresponsible to breed two merles when you know there is pretty good chance that roughly 1/4 of the puppies could be blind or deaf. <<

I am not a breeder, just a dedicated collie fancier who benefits from the wisdom of dedicated breeders.  But I do know there are plenty of reasons a breeder may want to do a blue to blue breeding and I wouldn't avoid a breeder for that reason alone.  Ask why the breeder is doing this particular breeding, what they hope to get from it, and what they plan to do with any DD's that result from the breeding.  Then you are in a position to make an informed decision about whether or not to get a puppy from that breeder.

I would point out that Wyndlair Avalanche (http://www.colliesonline.com/ad_archive_2011/wyndlair_010811.html) is producing some exquisite puppies.  I have had conversations with one of his co-breeders and, yes, he is blind but he gets around fine and romps with the other dogs and is enjoying life.

Meg


Sat Jun 18, 2011 4:24 pm

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I was told there is a genetic test that can be run on Merle collies that shows it would be safe to breed them together and not end up with the usual DD genetic...
kentdmitchell Offline Send Email Jun 15, 2011
5:57 am

Hi Kent, I feel certain that the person who gave you the info on merle testing was confused. There is a test to see whether or not a dog has a merle gene. The ...
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vanleur2003 Offline Send Email
Jun 15, 2011
12:15 pm

I can't imagine there is a DNA test, or any reason for one. A DD is an individual puppy who inherits the merle gene from both parents-a merle HAS the gene or...
Shelley Bergstraser
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Jun 15, 2011
2:29 pm

I was actually asking a different question. I had always been told that you should not breed a merle to a merle because you would get double dilutes and they...
Kent Mitchell
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Jun 15, 2011
2:59 pm

The "cryptic" merles, like Kathy pointed out, might be a reason to do a DNA test for merling. A double dilute does not generally look like a normal blue...
Shelley Bergstraser
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Jun 15, 2011
3:18 pm

We seem to be buzzing by each other but not connecting. I know all about the difference between a "regular" white collie with blue markings vs. double...
Kent Mitchell
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Jun 15, 2011
5:02 pm

Kent, Does this answer your question somewhat? http://www.vetgen.com/canine-coat-color.html I just did a search on blue merle genetic test. The responses that...
Michelle Frank
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Jun 15, 2011
5:18 pm

Michelle, Thanks! This link is interesting on a number of levels (ok I'm a geek for stuff like this) but it does not seem to address what I'm looking for. All...
Kent Mitchell
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Jun 15, 2011
5:33 pm

If you're looking for a more scholarly aspect, then go to google scholar. You'll find the more scientific type articles. The problem may be that some are not...
Michelle Frank
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Jun 15, 2011
5:58 pm

Kent, If I send the article through percol will the attachment come through? Kathy _www.colliesofdeepriver.com_ (http://www.colliesofdeepriver.com)...
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vanleur2003 Offline Send Email
Jun 15, 2011
6:59 pm

I don't know you cna try it ... but you can email me directly if you want ... kent at fogpuppy.com...
Kent Mitchell
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Jun 15, 2011
7:25 pm

Kent - here is the part of the article that addresses the merle genes affect on vision & hearing in double merles. The random application of pigment with the...
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vanleur2003 Offline Send Email
Jun 15, 2011
7:27 pm

It’s so interesting that color is linked to functionality (hearing and sight). I’ve been told that’s why some breeds have been bred to have colored ears...
Feigenbaum, Lindy
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Jun 15, 2011
7:41 pm

Picking up from this article (very informative!) There are different things going on there with the two "loci." (The locus (location on the chromosome) and...
Cathy Toft
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Jun 15, 2011
7:51 pm

Wow, that's fascinating. I loved genetics and physiology. Thanks Cathy! Lindy From: percol@yahoogroups.com [mailto:percol@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Cathy...
Feigenbaum, Lindy
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Jun 15, 2011
7:57 pm

Kent, I asked my geneticist friend who was mainly responsible for mapping & sequencing the merle gene in all breeds. She said, "Oh my, I think your friend's...
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vanleur2003 Offline Send Email
Jun 15, 2011
8:55 pm

Thanks very much for the info and the paper. I think I'll avoid the breeder in question. They may produce good collies but I think it's a bit irresponsible...
kentdmitchell Offline Send Email Jun 17, 2011
6:30 pm

No problem, Kent. Happy to help. Kathy _www.colliesofdeepriver.com_ (http://www.colliesofdeepriver.com)...
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vanleur2003 Offline Send Email
Jun 18, 2011
12:11 pm

... I am not a breeder, just a dedicated collie fancier who benefits from the wisdom of dedicated breeders. But I do know there are plenty of reasons a breeder...
Meg Goldsmith
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Jun 18, 2011
4:24 pm

I guess we will have to just disagree. I consider this irresponsible and if they do this then what else might be ok ... Kent...
Kent Mitchell
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Jun 18, 2011
5:06 pm

hi Kent, I don't see why anyone would ever need to do a merle to merle breeding either, personally. Anyway, here is another article on the merle gene which I...
Kate
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Jun 19, 2011
12:25 am

This is about the article _http://www.astraean.com/borderwars/2011/03/lethal-semi-dominant-merle.html_ ...
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vanleur2003 Offline Send Email
Jul 1, 2011
8:07 pm
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