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#1443 From: "Douglas E. Trapp" <falconryguy@...>
Date: Mon Dec 4, 2006 8:39 am
Subject: [RAPTORS INTERNATIONAL] Re: Anthropomorphism in Falconry ... A Deadly Combination
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Julie,

There ARE NOT a lot of raptor rehabilitators like you in this world,
and I truly wish there were. The one thing I keep trying to instill
in my public audience is that hand-raising a raptorial bird is not
natural, and we suffer from it when we do so. Contrary to public
belief, it is the juvenile raptors who chase the adults away from the
nest site as they become more and more agressive toward the adults
for free food offerings; not the adults who chase the young away. In
captivity, when we hand raise raptors, we do not go away, and the
agression toward us never ends, nor does the food-begging. There are
counter-measures used by experienced falconers to discourage food-
begging and agression by hand-raised raptors, but most rehabilitators
do not use these methods and end up with more than their share of
negative-reverse contact with the bird they raised. Still they love
their birds, of course ... it's only human to do so ... but thinking
that such a bird loves you is simply being Anthropomorphic!

Douglas E. Trapp, Owner
Raptors International

--- In raptorsinternational@yahoogroups.com, Julie Hale <julhale@...>
wrote:
>
> The only time my educator bird (barn owl) acts like she loves me is
when she sees me and thinks "that's the human that gives me food"....
at which point, she food begs and chirps to me.  She only exhibits
that behavior with me, which I could easily apply human emotions to
and thing "aw, she knows I'm mom".... but that is w-r-o-n-g wrong!
>
>   Having raised her from a baby, its easy to think of her as one of
my feathered kids.
>
>   But from her end of the spectrum, she would just as easily snap
my fingers as she would snap a mouse from my hand.  She only comes
when I have something to offer her.  Its totally food-based wild
behavior on her part.  Her lack of fear and agression in my presence
is simply conditioned behavior.
>
>   But gosh I love that bird :)
>   :)julie
>
> "Douglas E. Trapp" <falconryguy@...> wrote:
>           As I stated in my paper, there is no real social instinct
among most
> raptorial birds. Even to claim a "Alpha Male" type behavior to a
> Harris' Hawk is not really an accepted aspect in raptor biology. We
> know that they do associate together in the wild, but we do not
know
> of any friendly behavior among them in a wild situation, or only a
> few limited observances of such, or only of what of we suspect to
be
> social. Raptors, no matter how social they may appear to us, are
not
> social animals in comparison to those animals of which we have
> learned to manage. We have learned to manage certain animals based
on
> their social behavior, but we have not learned to do so with the
> Harris' Hawk or any other semi-social raptor. Sometimes our
> perception of socialization is totally wrong.
>
> I deal with both social and non-social animals daily, to give you
> some advise. My horse is social with me, but only if I praise him
and
> excersize him as needed; and the falcon cares about none of this,
no
> matter what I do to praise her. I have had Harris' Hawks in the
past
> of whome I thought were social until they ripped into my hand
without
> notice. The point here is that falconers deal with wild animals,
and
> thinking they are social is probably the worse possible thing to
do.
> They never like or love you, they never really appreciate you, and
if
> there is any love at all it is on your end only. Any other thought
> process is truly anthropomorphic.
>
> Douglas E. Trapp, Owner
> R.I.
>
> --- In raptorsinternational@yahoogroups.com, M P <mehiel@> wrote:
> >
> > I don't know much about Sea Eagles but we have a
> > captive Harris' Hawk, definitely social and raptor.
> > She shows no preference for whom she attacks (she is
> > most certainly an alpha bird) and readily flies to
> > glove for anyone with food. However, in answer to the
> > original question about Sea Eagles, Harris' Hawks do
> > hunt and raise their young communally, although I
> > would not tend attribute this to "affection" or
> > altruism as the survival of the individual depends
> > upon the survival of the flock.
> >
> > --- crhughes3 <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Falconry Guy:
> > >
> > > A very good and interesting essay! It's funny to
> > > think that a
> > > raptor only has a pea-sized brain, and that a brain
> > > so small imbue so
> > > many keen instincts and abilities.
> > >
> > > Parrots, being social, definitely act as though they
> > > exhibit love.
> > > Tame ones will initiate affectionate behavior
> > > towards people and
> > > spend hours, if encouraged, interacting physically
> > > and mentally.
> > >
> > > I wonder if sea eagles are considered social because
> > > they gather in
> > > groups, and whether they display altruism or
> > > affection to non-mates.
> > >
> > > Chuck Hughes
> > > Monroe, Louisiana
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In raptorsinternational@yahoogroups.com,
> > > "Douglas E. Trapp"
> > > <falconryguy@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Introduction:
> > > >
> > > > Anthropomorphism
> > >
> > > <cut>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
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#1442 From: Julie Hale <julhale@...>
Date: Mon Nov 20, 2006 3:17 pm
Subject: Re: [RAPTORS INTERNATIONAL] Re: Anthropomorphism in Falconry ... A Deadly Combination
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The only time my educator bird (barn owl) acts like she loves me is when she sees me and thinks "that's the human that gives me food".... at which point, she food begs and chirps to me.  She only exhibits that behavior with me, which I could easily apply human emotions to and thing "aw, she knows I'm mom".... but that is w-r-o-n-g wrong!
 
Having raised her from a baby, its easy to think of her as one of my feathered kids.
 
But from her end of the spectrum, she would just as easily snap my fingers as she would snap a mouse from my hand.  She only comes when I have something to offer her.  Its totally food-based wild behavior on her part.  Her lack of fear and agression in my presence is simply conditioned behavior.
 
But gosh I love that bird :)
:)julie

"Douglas E. Trapp" <falconryguy@...> wrote:
As I stated in my paper, there is no real social instinct among most
raptorial birds. Even to claim a "Alpha Male" type behavior to a
Harris' Hawk is not really an accepted aspect in raptor biology. We
know that they do associate together in the wild, but we do not know
of any friendly behavior among them in a wild situation, or only a
few limited observances of such, or only of what of we suspect to be
social. Raptors, no matter how social they may appear to us, are not
social animals in comparison to those animals of which we have
learned to manage. We have learned to manage certain animals based on
their social behavior, but we have not learned to do so with the
Harris' Hawk or any other semi-social raptor. Sometimes our
perception of socialization is totally wrong.

I deal with both social and non-social animals daily, to give you
some advise. My horse is social with me, but only if I praise him and
excersize him as needed; and the falcon cares about none of this, no
matter what I do to praise her. I have had Harris' Hawks in the past
of whome I thought were social until they ripped into my hand without
notice. The point here is that falconers deal with wild animals, and
thinking they are social is probably the worse possible thing to do.
They never like or love you, they never really appreciate you, and if
there is any love at all it is on your end only. Any other thought
process is truly anthropomorphic.

Douglas E. Trapp, Owner
R.I.

--- In raptorsinternational@yahoogroups.com, M P <mehiel@...> wrote:
>
> I don't know much about Sea Eagles but we have a
> captive Harris' Hawk, definitely social and raptor.
> She shows no preference for whom she attacks (she is
> most certainly an alpha bird) and readily flies to
> glove for anyone with food. However, in answer to the
> original question about Sea Eagles, Harris' Hawks do
> hunt and raise their young communally, although I
> would not tend attribute this to "affection" or
> altruism as the survival of the individual depends
> upon the survival of the flock.
>
> --- crhughes3 <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>
> > Falconry Guy:
> >
> > A very good and interesting essay! It's funny to
> > think that a
> > raptor only has a pea-sized brain, and that a brain
> > so small imbue so
> > many keen instincts and abilities.
> >
> > Parrots, being social, definitely act as though they
> > exhibit love.
> > Tame ones will initiate affectionate behavior
> > towards people and
> > spend hours, if encouraged, interacting physically
> > and mentally.
> >
> > I wonder if sea eagles are considered social because
> > they gather in
> > groups, and whether they display altruism or
> > affection to non-mates.
> >
> > Chuck Hughes
> > Monroe, Louisiana
> >
> >
> > --- In raptorsinternational@yahoogroups.com,
> > "Douglas E. Trapp"
> > <falconryguy@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Introduction:
> > >
> > > Anthropomorphism
> >
> > <cut>
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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#1441 From: "Douglas E. Trapp" <falconryguy@...>
Date: Mon Nov 20, 2006 11:44 am
Subject: Re: Rapturous about raptors? You're in luck
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Sorry for my blunder, but the American Bald Eagle IS actually listed
as Threatened in the Lower 48 States.

Douglas E. Trapp, Owner
R.I.

--- In raptorsinternational@yahoogroups.com, "Douglas E. Trapp"
<falconryguy@...> wrote:
>
> Another stupid News Media Blunder ... The American Bald Eagle is no
> longer included on the U.S. Federal Endangered or Threatened list,
> and has been off the list as long as the Peregrine Falcon (3 years
> now) ... The Bald and Golden Eagle are still protected under the
> Eagle Protection Act, but not legally because these acts were
written
> for species protection as a primary reason, and are no longer
> necessary based on their dropping from the Endangered Species list.
> They are currently protected only under the MBTA which protects all
> migratory birds, and eagles are included in that act.
>
> Douglas E. Trapp, Owner
> R.I.
>
> --- In raptorsinternational@yahoogroups.com, "Douglas E. Trapp"
> <falconryguy@> wrote:
> >
> > NATIVE DELAWARE
> >
> > Rapturous about raptors? You're in luck
> > By MARGO McDONOUGH, Special to The News Journal
> >
> > Posted Sunday, November 19, 2006
> >
> > The Eastern screech owl nests in tree cavities and also accepts
> nest
> > boxes readily. It feeds on small mammals, reptiles and large
> insects.
> >
> > AP/RICHARD HERTZLER
> >
> > Marnie Pepper will never forget the thrill of seeing her first
bald
> > eagle. "I was 8 years old and was riding in the car, somewhere in
> New
> > Castle County," recalls the University of Delaware wildlife
ecology
> > graduate student. "All of a sudden, we pulled over because a bald
> > eagle was right overhead. I still remember being amazed at the
> > wingspan of this creature as it soared through the sky."
> >
> > Pepper spotted America's national symbol in 1989, when bald eagle
> > sightings were relatively uncommon. Delaware's bald eagle
> population
> > has since increased dramatically, and Pepper's own experience
bears
> > witness to this. Today, on her commute to UD's Newark campus from
> > Milford, she sees a bald eagle usually once a month.
> >
> > "I'm still awed by bald eagles, but it's certainly not unusual to
> see
> > them any more," says Pepper.
> >
> > The bald eagle owes its resurgence in Delaware and throughout the
> > nation in large part to the ban on DDT in 1972, according to Dr.
> Greg
> > Shriver, a UD assistant professor of wildlife ecology. The
> pesticide
> > made the shells of bald eagle eggs thinner, thus reducing the
> chances
> > of eaglets surviving.
> >
> > In 1995, to mark the eagle's comeback, the federal government
> > reclassified it from endangered to threatened.
> >
> > The magnificent bald eagle gets -- and deserves -- a lot of
> > attention, but it's not the only raptor that calls Delaware home.
> > Raptors commonly found here include hawks, such as the red-
tailed,
> > marsh and rough-legged; a variety of owls, including the great
> > horned, Eastern screech, barred and barn; osprey and peregrine
> > falcons.
> >
> > An Eastern screech owl, which has a wingspan of 22 inches and
eats
> > small animals, doesn't seem to have much in common with a fish-
> eating
> > osprey, which can have a wingspan of up to six feet. But they are
> > both classified as raptors because they're birds of prey. All
> raptors
> > have hooked beaks, sharp talons, powerful legs and feet, and
> > excellent eyesight.
> >
> > Now's a great time to view raptors in Delaware. The winter
> migration
> > of raptors, including boreal owls, has arrived from Canada, and
> hawks
> > that stop here on their trek farther south can still be spotted.
> It's
> > also a busy time for Delaware's year-round population of raptors.
> >
> > "Many raptors are active now as they look for places to roost for
> the
> > winter," notes Shriver.
> >
> > He says a good place to see them is White Clay Creek State Park,
> > which conducts a raptor count each fall. Between September and
mid-
> > November, the list of species sighted there includes bald and
> golden
> > eagles, merlins, northern harriers, osprey, and a long list of
> hawks,
> > including cooper's, red-shouldered, red-tailed and sharp-shinned.
> >
> > In Kent County, head to the St. Jones River. Ospreys, peregrine
> > falcons, great horned owls, and cooper's and marsh hawks have
been
> > spotted along the waterway.
> >
> > In Sussex, Abbott's Mill Nature Center is home to barred owls,
and
> > Trap Pond State Park gets bald eagles as well as owls. And
there's
> at
> > least one bald eagle at Cape Henlopen State Park. Park naturalist
> > Lauren Wright reports that a male juvenile has taken up residence
> in
> > the park this autumn. She say the bird has been spotted in the
salt
> > marsh, as well on the park's radar tower.
> >
> > Shriver has lived in Delaware for only a year but he already has
a
> > favorite local spot to view raptors -- the Augustine Wildlife
Area,
> > south of Port Penn. He recently spotted a peregrine falcon there,
> the
> > fastest bird in the world. In a dive it can go more than 200
> > mph. "It's incredible to see in action," Shriver says.
> >
> > Delaware State Parks offer a variety of programs about raptors.
Two
> > upcoming events are a Dec. 2 Owl Prowl at Brandywine Creek State
> Park
> > and a Hoots for Owl Walk at Cape Henlopen Dec. 9. For more info,
> call
> > Brandywine Creek State Park at 577-3534 or Cape Henlopen at 645-
> 8983.
> >
>

#1440 From: "Douglas E. Trapp" <falconryguy@...>
Date: Mon Nov 20, 2006 11:07 am
Subject: Re: Rapturous about raptors? You're in luck
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Another stupid News Media Blunder ... The American Bald Eagle is no
longer included on the U.S. Federal Endangered or Threatened list,
and has been off the list as long as the Peregrine Falcon (3 years
now) ... The Bald and Golden Eagle are still protected under the
Eagle Protection Act, but not legally because these acts were written
for species protection as a primary reason, and are no longer
necessary based on their dropping from the Endangered Species list.
They are currently protected only under the MBTA which protects all
migratory birds, and eagles are included in that act.

Douglas E. Trapp, Owner
R.I.

--- In raptorsinternational@yahoogroups.com, "Douglas E. Trapp"
<falconryguy@...> wrote:
>
> NATIVE DELAWARE
>
> Rapturous about raptors? You're in luck
> By MARGO McDONOUGH, Special to The News Journal
>
> Posted Sunday, November 19, 2006
>
> The Eastern screech owl nests in tree cavities and also accepts
nest
> boxes readily. It feeds on small mammals, reptiles and large
insects.
>
> AP/RICHARD HERTZLER
>
> Marnie Pepper will never forget the thrill of seeing her first bald
> eagle. "I was 8 years old and was riding in the car, somewhere in
New
> Castle County," recalls the University of Delaware wildlife ecology
> graduate student. "All of a sudden, we pulled over because a bald
> eagle was right overhead. I still remember being amazed at the
> wingspan of this creature as it soared through the sky."
>
> Pepper spotted America's national symbol in 1989, when bald eagle
> sightings were relatively uncommon. Delaware's bald eagle
population
> has since increased dramatically, and Pepper's own experience bears
> witness to this. Today, on her commute to UD's Newark campus from
> Milford, she sees a bald eagle usually once a month.
>
> "I'm still awed by bald eagles, but it's certainly not unusual to
see
> them any more," says Pepper.
>
> The bald eagle owes its resurgence in Delaware and throughout the
> nation in large part to the ban on DDT in 1972, according to Dr.
Greg
> Shriver, a UD assistant professor of wildlife ecology. The
pesticide
> made the shells of bald eagle eggs thinner, thus reducing the
chances
> of eaglets surviving.
>
> In 1995, to mark the eagle's comeback, the federal government
> reclassified it from endangered to threatened.
>
> The magnificent bald eagle gets -- and deserves -- a lot of
> attention, but it's not the only raptor that calls Delaware home.
> Raptors commonly found here include hawks, such as the red-tailed,
> marsh and rough-legged; a variety of owls, including the great
> horned, Eastern screech, barred and barn; osprey and peregrine
> falcons.
>
> An Eastern screech owl, which has a wingspan of 22 inches and eats
> small animals, doesn't seem to have much in common with a fish-
eating
> osprey, which can have a wingspan of up to six feet. But they are
> both classified as raptors because they're birds of prey. All
raptors
> have hooked beaks, sharp talons, powerful legs and feet, and
> excellent eyesight.
>
> Now's a great time to view raptors in Delaware. The winter
migration
> of raptors, including boreal owls, has arrived from Canada, and
hawks
> that stop here on their trek farther south can still be spotted.
It's
> also a busy time for Delaware's year-round population of raptors.
>
> "Many raptors are active now as they look for places to roost for
the
> winter," notes Shriver.
>
> He says a good place to see them is White Clay Creek State Park,
> which conducts a raptor count each fall. Between September and mid-
> November, the list of species sighted there includes bald and
golden
> eagles, merlins, northern harriers, osprey, and a long list of
hawks,
> including cooper's, red-shouldered, red-tailed and sharp-shinned.
>
> In Kent County, head to the St. Jones River. Ospreys, peregrine
> falcons, great horned owls, and cooper's and marsh hawks have been
> spotted along the waterway.
>
> In Sussex, Abbott's Mill Nature Center is home to barred owls, and
> Trap Pond State Park gets bald eagles as well as owls. And there's
at
> least one bald eagle at Cape Henlopen State Park. Park naturalist
> Lauren Wright reports that a male juvenile has taken up residence
in
> the park this autumn. She say the bird has been spotted in the salt
> marsh, as well on the park's radar tower.
>
> Shriver has lived in Delaware for only a year but he already has a
> favorite local spot to view raptors -- the Augustine Wildlife Area,
> south of Port Penn. He recently spotted a peregrine falcon there,
the
> fastest bird in the world. In a dive it can go more than 200
> mph. "It's incredible to see in action," Shriver says.
>
> Delaware State Parks offer a variety of programs about raptors. Two
> upcoming events are a Dec. 2 Owl Prowl at Brandywine Creek State
Park
> and a Hoots for Owl Walk at Cape Henlopen Dec. 9. For more info,
call
> Brandywine Creek State Park at 577-3534 or Cape Henlopen at 645-
8983.
>

#1439 From: "Douglas E. Trapp" <falconryguy@...>
Date: Mon Nov 20, 2006 10:53 am
Subject: Re: Banders' have hands-on approach to bird studies
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Although this article suggests that bird banding and raptor banding
is useful ... reality is that so few bands are ever collected that
actually make the bird banding project almost useless. The amount of
data collected through returned bands normally indicates a group for
the species in question of less than .001% (percent). There are much
better returns for migrating Monarch Butterflies with an
estimated .03% (percent). The fact is that bird banding has been a
failure from day one, and it is now time to up our technology. GPS
telemetry is the only true way to monitor bird migration in our
modern world, but there are too many people today who remain in the
world of the old. In North America there are no more excuses for the
use of high technology. Lets Do It!!!

Douglas E. Trapp, Owner
R.I.


--- In raptorsinternational@yahoogroups.com, "Douglas E. Trapp"
<falconryguy@...> wrote:
>
> Science: 'Banders' have hands-on approach to bird studies
> By CHRISTIAN BERG The Morning Call
> 11/19/2006
>
> ALLENTOWN, Pa. -- Paul Karner loves to tell stories about how keen
a
> hawk's eyes are.
>
> But it's hard to understand just how keen until you've watched a
red-
> tail size up a meal from a mile away, tuck its wings and swoop in
for
> a landing just 20 feet in front of your face.
>
> "They're so amazing how they can see that target from so far away
and
> just lock on," Karner said. "When they come in for a pass, they
turn
> into a teardrop, and their tail is their rudder. It really takes
your
> breath away."
>
> Karner, 49, of Bangor, Pa., spends hundreds of hours each autumn
> sitting inside banding stations atop the Blue Mountain, where
> thousands of hawks, eagles, falcons and other raptors soar through
on
> their southward migration.
>
> With the help of his prized racing pigeons and plenty of patience,
> Karner lures some of those birds in for a landing outside his
blind,
> where they are captured in nets. Over the next several minutes,
> Karner weighs and measures the birds, determines their age and sex
> when possible and checks to see how much body fat they have, which
is
> an indication of their overall physical condition. Finally, he
> attaches a metal leg band and releases them back into the wild.
>
> As of last week, Karner had logged 37 hours this fall and banded 23
> red-tailed hawks, six sharp-shinned hawks and two Cooper's hawks.
> Those 31 birds, however, represent just a fraction of the total
> raptors he has observed, which include 203 red-tailed hawks, 51
sharp-
> shinned hawks, 23 Cooper's hawks, 22 golden eagles, 14 bald eagles,
> two American kestrels, one merlin and one peregrine falcon.
>
> "With banding, you see the birds you miss as well as the birds you
> capture, which I think adds to the excitement," said ornithologist
> Keith Bildstein, director of conservation science at Hawk Mountain
> Sanctuary. "You are constantly watching and learning."
>
> Karner is among 3,000 federally licensed, volunteer bird banders
> across the United States. Although the work of an individual bander
> may go largely unnoticed, their collective efforts result in 1.1
> million bandings each year and provide a wealth of data to the
> scientific community.
>
> All information is sent to the U.S. Geological Survey's Bird
Banding
> Laboratory in Laurel, Md., which serves as a central repository for
> the nation's banding data.
>
> Banding "is a primary technique in developing our understanding of
> the movements and migrations not only of raptors, but of other
birds
> as well," Bildstein said. "There's a direct and meaningful tie-in
> between banding activity and the scientific information that
> results."
>
> For Karner, who has been banding for 25 years, contributing to
> conservation science is just half of the reward he gets from his
> hobby. The other is simply having an opportunity to be amongst the
> birds and observe their habits.
>
> "It's just the joy of loving raptors," Karner said.
>
> Up until the past 100 years or so, Bildstein said, almost all
raptor
> trapping was done to acquire birds for hunting use by falconers,
who
> train the birds to kill rabbits and other game. The first record of
> raptors being banded for scientific purposes was in Europe in 1899.
>
> While the use of identification bands is a relatively recent
> phenomenon, the practice has spread quickly. By 2000, more than 1
> million raptors had been banded in North America alone. Although
> that's a huge number, Bildstein said large-scale efforts are needed
> because so few banded birds are recovered.
>
> Karner said the long odds of a banded bird being recovered make
each
> report that much more exciting. For example, Karner and fellow
bander
> Dave Fluri were amazed earlier this fall when they received a
report
> that another bander near Carbondale, Pa., had captured and released
a
> red-tailed hawk they banded in 1984.
>
> "It's alive and it's flying 22 years later," Karner said.
>

#1438 From: "Douglas E. Trapp" <falconryguy@...>
Date: Mon Nov 20, 2006 10:26 am
Subject: Rapturous about raptors? You're in luck
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NATIVE DELAWARE

Rapturous about raptors? You're in luck
By MARGO McDONOUGH, Special to The News Journal

Posted Sunday, November 19, 2006

The Eastern screech owl nests in tree cavities and also accepts nest
boxes readily. It feeds on small mammals, reptiles and large insects.

AP/RICHARD HERTZLER

Marnie Pepper will never forget the thrill of seeing her first bald
eagle. "I was 8 years old and was riding in the car, somewhere in New
Castle County," recalls the University of Delaware wildlife ecology
graduate student. "All of a sudden, we pulled over because a bald
eagle was right overhead. I still remember being amazed at the
wingspan of this creature as it soared through the sky."

Pepper spotted America's national symbol in 1989, when bald eagle
sightings were relatively uncommon. Delaware's bald eagle population
has since increased dramatically, and Pepper's own experience bears
witness to this. Today, on her commute to UD's Newark campus from
Milford, she sees a bald eagle usually once a month.

"I'm still awed by bald eagles, but it's certainly not unusual to see
them any more," says Pepper.

The bald eagle owes its resurgence in Delaware and throughout the
nation in large part to the ban on DDT in 1972, according to Dr. Greg
Shriver, a UD assistant professor of wildlife ecology. The pesticide
made the shells of bald eagle eggs thinner, thus reducing the chances
of eaglets surviving.

In 1995, to mark the eagle's comeback, the federal government
reclassified it from endangered to threatened.

The magnificent bald eagle gets -- and deserves -- a lot of
attention, but it's not the only raptor that calls Delaware home.
Raptors commonly found here include hawks, such as the red-tailed,
marsh and rough-legged; a variety of owls, including the great
horned, Eastern screech, barred and barn; osprey and peregrine
falcons.

An Eastern screech owl, which has a wingspan of 22 inches and eats
small animals, doesn't seem to have much in common with a fish-eating
osprey, which can have a wingspan of up to six feet. But they are
both classified as raptors because they're birds of prey. All raptors
have hooked beaks, sharp talons, powerful legs and feet, and
excellent eyesight.

Now's a great time to view raptors in Delaware. The winter migration
of raptors, including boreal owls, has arrived from Canada, and hawks
that stop here on their trek farther south can still be spotted. It's
also a busy time for Delaware's year-round population of raptors.

"Many raptors are active now as they look for places to roost for the
winter," notes Shriver.

He says a good place to see them is White Clay Creek State Park,
which conducts a raptor count each fall. Between September and mid-
November, the list of species sighted there includes bald and golden
eagles, merlins, northern harriers, osprey, and a long list of hawks,
including cooper's, red-shouldered, red-tailed and sharp-shinned.

In Kent County, head to the St. Jones River. Ospreys, peregrine
falcons, great horned owls, and cooper's and marsh hawks have been
spotted along the waterway.

In Sussex, Abbott's Mill Nature Center is home to barred owls, and
Trap Pond State Park gets bald eagles as well as owls. And there's at
least one bald eagle at Cape Henlopen State Park. Park naturalist
Lauren Wright reports that a male juvenile has taken up residence in
the park this autumn. She say the bird has been spotted in the salt
marsh, as well on the park's radar tower.

Shriver has lived in Delaware for only a year but he already has a
favorite local spot to view raptors -- the Augustine Wildlife Area,
south of Port Penn. He recently spotted a peregrine falcon there, the
fastest bird in the world. In a dive it can go more than 200
mph. "It's incredible to see in action," Shriver says.

Delaware State Parks offer a variety of programs about raptors. Two
upcoming events are a Dec. 2 Owl Prowl at Brandywine Creek State Park
and a Hoots for Owl Walk at Cape Henlopen Dec. 9. For more info, call
Brandywine Creek State Park at 577-3534 or Cape Henlopen at 645-8983.

#1437 From: "Douglas E. Trapp" <falconryguy@...>
Date: Mon Nov 20, 2006 10:23 am
Subject: Banders' have hands-on approach to bird studies
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Science: 'Banders' have hands-on approach to bird studies
By CHRISTIAN BERG The Morning Call
11/19/2006

ALLENTOWN, Pa. -- Paul Karner loves to tell stories about how keen a
hawk's eyes are.

But it's hard to understand just how keen until you've watched a red-
tail size up a meal from a mile away, tuck its wings and swoop in for
a landing just 20 feet in front of your face.

"They're so amazing how they can see that target from so far away and
just lock on," Karner said. "When they come in for a pass, they turn
into a teardrop, and their tail is their rudder. It really takes your
breath away."

Karner, 49, of Bangor, Pa., spends hundreds of hours each autumn
sitting inside banding stations atop the Blue Mountain, where
thousands of hawks, eagles, falcons and other raptors soar through on
their southward migration.

With the help of his prized racing pigeons and plenty of patience,
Karner lures some of those birds in for a landing outside his blind,
where they are captured in nets. Over the next several minutes,
Karner weighs and measures the birds, determines their age and sex
when possible and checks to see how much body fat they have, which is
an indication of their overall physical condition. Finally, he
attaches a metal leg band and releases them back into the wild.

As of last week, Karner had logged 37 hours this fall and banded 23
red-tailed hawks, six sharp-shinned hawks and two Cooper's hawks.
Those 31 birds, however, represent just a fraction of the total
raptors he has observed, which include 203 red-tailed hawks, 51 sharp-
shinned hawks, 23 Cooper's hawks, 22 golden eagles, 14 bald eagles,
two American kestrels, one merlin and one peregrine falcon.

"With banding, you see the birds you miss as well as the birds you
capture, which I think adds to the excitement," said ornithologist
Keith Bildstein, director of conservation science at Hawk Mountain
Sanctuary. "You are constantly watching and learning."

Karner is among 3,000 federally licensed, volunteer bird banders
across the United States. Although the work of an individual bander
may go largely unnoticed, their collective efforts result in 1.1
million bandings each year and provide a wealth of data to the
scientific community.

All information is sent to the U.S. Geological Survey's Bird Banding
Laboratory in Laurel, Md., which serves as a central repository for
the nation's banding data.

Banding "is a primary technique in developing our understanding of
the movements and migrations not only of raptors, but of other birds
as well," Bildstein said. "There's a direct and meaningful tie-in
between banding activity and the scientific information that
results."

For Karner, who has been banding for 25 years, contributing to
conservation science is just half of the reward he gets from his
hobby. The other is simply having an opportunity to be amongst the
birds and observe their habits.

"It's just the joy of loving raptors," Karner said.

Up until the past 100 years or so, Bildstein said, almost all raptor
trapping was done to acquire birds for hunting use by falconers, who
train the birds to kill rabbits and other game. The first record of
raptors being banded for scientific purposes was in Europe in 1899.

While the use of identification bands is a relatively recent
phenomenon, the practice has spread quickly. By 2000, more than 1
million raptors had been banded in North America alone. Although
that's a huge number, Bildstein said large-scale efforts are needed
because so few banded birds are recovered.

Karner said the long odds of a banded bird being recovered make each
report that much more exciting. For example, Karner and fellow bander
Dave Fluri were amazed earlier this fall when they received a report
that another bander near Carbondale, Pa., had captured and released a
red-tailed hawk they banded in 1984.

"It's alive and it's flying 22 years later," Karner said.

#1436 From: "Douglas E. Trapp" <falconryguy@...>
Date: Mon Nov 20, 2006 10:20 am
Subject: [RAPTORS INTERNATIONAL] Re: Anthropomorphism in Falconry ... A Deadly Combination
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As I stated in my paper, there is no real social instinct among most
raptorial birds. Even to claim a "Alpha Male" type behavior to a
Harris' Hawk is not really an accepted aspect in raptor biology. We
know that they do associate together in the wild, but we do not know
of any friendly behavior among them in a wild situation, or only a
few limited observances of such, or only of what of we suspect to be
social. Raptors, no matter how social they may appear to us, are not
social animals in comparison to those animals of which we have
learned to manage. We have learned to manage certain animals based on
their social behavior, but we have not learned to do so with the
Harris' Hawk or any other semi-social raptor. Sometimes our
perception of socialization is totally wrong.

I deal with both social and non-social animals daily, to give you
some advise. My horse is social with me, but only if I praise him and
excersize him as needed; and the falcon cares about none of this, no
matter what I do to praise her. I have had Harris' Hawks in the past
of whome I thought were social until they ripped into my hand without
notice. The point here is that falconers deal with wild animals, and
thinking they are social is probably the worse possible thing to do.
They never like or love you, they never really appreciate you, and if
there is any love at all it is on your end only. Any other thought
process is truly anthropomorphic.

Douglas E. Trapp, Owner
R.I.


--- In raptorsinternational@yahoogroups.com, M P <mehiel@...> wrote:
>
> I don't know much about Sea Eagles but we have a
> captive Harris' Hawk, definitely social and raptor.
> She shows no preference for whom she attacks (she is
> most certainly an alpha bird) and readily flies to
> glove for anyone with food.  However, in answer to the
> original question about Sea Eagles, Harris' Hawks do
> hunt and raise their young communally, although I
> would not tend attribute this to "affection" or
> altruism as the survival of the individual depends
> upon the survival of the flock.
>
> --- crhughes3 <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>
> > Falconry Guy:
> >
> > A very good and interesting essay! It's funny to
> > think that a
> > raptor only has a pea-sized brain, and that a brain
> > so small imbue so
> > many keen instincts and abilities.
> >
> > Parrots, being social, definitely act as though they
> > exhibit love.
> > Tame ones will initiate affectionate behavior
> > towards people and
> > spend hours, if encouraged, interacting physically
> > and mentally.
> >
> > I wonder if sea eagles are considered social because
> > they gather in
> > groups, and whether they display altruism or
> > affection to non-mates.
> >
> > Chuck Hughes
> > Monroe, Louisiana
> >
> >
> > --- In raptorsinternational@yahoogroups.com,
> > "Douglas E. Trapp"
> > <falconryguy@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Introduction:
> > >
> > > Anthropomorphism
> >
> > <cut>
> >
> >
> >
>
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#1435 From: M P <mehiel@...>
Date: Tue Nov 7, 2006 11:53 am
Subject: Re: [RAPTORS INTERNATIONAL] Re: Anthropomorphism in Falconry ... A Deadly Combination
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I don't know much about Sea Eagles but we have a
captive Harris' Hawk, definitely social and raptor.
She shows no preference for whom she attacks (she is
most certainly an alpha bird) and readily flies to
glove for anyone with food.  However, in answer to the
original question about Sea Eagles, Harris' Hawks do
hunt and raise their young communally, although I
would not tend attribute this to "affection" or
altruism as the survival of the individual depends
upon the survival of the flock.

--- crhughes3 <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

> Falconry Guy:
>
> A very good and interesting essay! It's funny to
> think that a
> raptor only has a pea-sized brain, and that a brain
> so small imbue so
> many keen instincts and abilities.
>
> Parrots, being social, definitely act as though they
> exhibit love.
> Tame ones will initiate affectionate behavior
> towards people and
> spend hours, if encouraged, interacting physically
> and mentally.
>
> I wonder if sea eagles are considered social because
> they gather in
> groups, and whether they display altruism or
> affection to non-mates.
>
> Chuck Hughes
> Monroe, Louisiana
>
>
> --- In raptorsinternational@yahoogroups.com,
> "Douglas E. Trapp"
> <falconryguy@...> wrote:
> >
> > Introduction:
> >
> > Anthropomorphism
>
> <cut>
>
>
>


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#1434 From: crhughes3
Date: Mon Nov 6, 2006 5:02 pm
Subject: Re: Anthropomorphism in Falconry ... A Deadly Combination
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Falconry Guy:

A very good and interesting essay! It's funny to think that a
raptor only has a pea-sized brain, and that a brain so small imbue so
many keen instincts and abilities.

Parrots, being social, definitely act as though they exhibit love.
Tame ones will initiate affectionate behavior towards people and
spend hours, if encouraged, interacting physically and mentally.

I wonder if sea eagles are considered social because they gather in
groups, and whether they display altruism or affection to non-mates.

Chuck Hughes
Monroe, Louisiana


--- In raptorsinternational@yahoogroups.com, "Douglas E. Trapp"
<falconryguy@...> wrote:
>
> Introduction:
>
> Anthropomorphism

<cut>

#1433 From: "Douglas E. Trapp" <falconryguy@...>
Date: Mon Nov 6, 2006 9:02 am
Subject: Anthropomorphism in Falconry ... A Deadly Combination
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Introduction:

Anthropomorphism is described as the attribute of human shape or
characteristics to a god, animal, or inanimate thing. In this topic
it relates to the concept that predatory birds used in falconry, and
other animals, have feelings the same as humans, and why that concept
does not equate to reality. To explain this further I must also
explain some basic falconry and wildlife principals, as well as some
basic biological and physiological aspects.

Predatory Bird Aspects:

A brain the size of a pea designed to perform only certain necessary
functions is employed. In the mind of a predatory bird there are
three very important factors that must be met daily … Hunt, Kill,
Defend yourself. Their focal point is normally forward, but they have
the ability to split both eyes to see two objects at separate times.
They are constantly aware of their surroundings in daylight, but are
not aware of intruders during the night (the opposite is semi-true
for owls). They often have a free range of their hunting zones
without restrictions, but learn, through time, that certain areas are
better than others to avoid potential adversaries. When necessary,
they will do whatever it takes to defend against an enemy, and will
die trying. Life is short for most wild raptors, especially for those
who do not learn what it takes to survive in the wild … average
lifespan for most in the wild is no longer than 2 years with a
capability of producing only one brood.

Human Aspects:

Humans grow up thinking the world is revolving around people, and
they stay very communal most of their lives. Everything they see and
do has to do with people, and birds flying by, or a wild animals seen
during a daily excursion is simply part of their human consumption of
life. Most humans do not get involved with wildlife, and when they do
they try to associate their feelings with that particular animal.
Since animals of any kind, including dogs and cats do not understand
humans, humans tend to believe they understand the animals. Humans,
in most cases, are simply being anthropomorphic with such idealisms.

Falconry and Anthropomorphism:

When the general public are able to view a falconry bird, the bird is
commonly hooded. About 90% of these witnesses walk away thing that
hooding a raptor is cruel. They are being anthropomorphic in this
misunderstanding because they associate being hooded as how they
would feel, and have no concept about how a well manned raptor would
feel about the hood. Secondly, most falconry observers feel it is
cruel to jess (tether) a bird to the glove or a perch. Again, they
are allowing their human concept of matters to get away from them. In
contrast, no one ever says anything about a dog tied to a post, or a
horse, or any other commonly controlled animal.

The facts are that for over 4,000 years falconers have devised
methods that are still necessary for management of wild predatory
birds. The hoods keep the bird calm, and the hooded raptor actually
prefers to be hooded in most cases. This is their little area of
silence, and they learn from day-one that being hooded keeps them
away from harm. This is part of a falconry technique that assures the
raptor that harm cannot come its way when hooded, and in the early
stages of hooding any potentially bad experience is avoided while it
is hooded. Most well-trained raptors think the hood is the best part
of the day, or night. Although some raptors can be managed without
the hood, it is much more useful, in most cases, to use one. However,
the hood is primarily used as a positive re-enforcement tool as the
bird is fed when the hood is cast on or off (during the training
stages), and later the bird learns that when the hood is removed,
it's time to do something, like fly to game, or a lure, or something
exciting. Most birds that accept the hood do not appreciate being
allowed to fly free in a chamber because they have learned that the
reward of hood removal is a flight to game or a lure. Most of these
birds do not appreciate standing on the glove and simply looking
around from a perch, and will constantly attempt to fly (bate). There
is nothing objectionable about the use of a hood unless a raptor
refuses it … in such cases it should not be used, and I will never
hood a bird that refuses it!

Restraining a raptor is absolutely necessary while in captivity. Even
while hooded they will often try to fly. A hooded bird flying into a
wall is not a good sight to see. The jesses are used to restrain a
raptor and designed to cause no harm to their legs. In fact,
everything used in falconry is designed to make a raptor comfortable,
not otherwise. Some pieces of equipment may look uncomfortable, like
leg bells, but they are not. A falconer makes sure his/her bird is
comfortable on a daily basis. The perches are made so that the birds
prefer them to other areas of the house or mews. Falconers go to
great expense to make sure their birds are in good shape, and feel
good.

Falconers and other wild animal trainers understand many key concepts
that are necessary in order to deal with wild animals in captivity,
but none of those concepts involve human emotions other than the love
for the animal in question. We all learn, through time, that our love
for the animal in question is a one-sided love affair, and the animal
in question will never love us in any situation. Of Course I am
referring to wild animals that are non-social by nature, in
particular wild predatory birds. Birds that normally flock, or
animals that normally herd can become very social, and it may be
possible that they can express love. Non-social animals simply do not
possess that concept.

Relating Comments:

I have experienced some recent comments at work relating to the new
bird being hooded, and most were to the concept that "it must be a
terrible life", or something to that nature. I do not respond to such
comments normally because I believe people have the ability to seek
and learn reality on their own. My problem with such comments is that
they suggest that what I, and other falconers do, is cruel to the
birds, and I must defend that notion.

I would rather walk into an area where raptors were calmly managed,
than into an area where raptors were screaming to get out. The
general public does not really understand what it takes to manage a
predator bird, but I can tell you from 38 years experience that if I
had never used a hood, or jesses, I would probably be a totally
different person, with a different job, and waking up every day
hating to go to work. I am now a professional falconer, and I really
respect raptors after all of my years dealing with them. There is
nothing I do that is cruel toward them, and if I ever caught myself
doing such a thing I'd probably kill myself! It is that simple, but I
speak for all falconers in this respect.

It is a deadly combination to employ anthropomorphism with captive
wild animals because such people will learn the hard way … that these
animals are extremely dangerous when out of control. We must drop our
human feelings toward captive wildlife, and reserve such feelings for
our children, who deserve it more. In addition we should respect the
knowledge of those who have learned through the years how to deal
with captive raptors or any other wild animal.

Anthropomorphism plays no role in falconry. It is a certain failure
for anyone dealing with wild animals as well.

Douglas E. Trapp, Owner
Raptors International

#1432 From: "Douglas E. Trapp" <falconryguy@...>
Date: Mon Oct 30, 2006 8:37 am
Subject: Lots of new Members, lots of no comments
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Members,

Please feel free to post and write within this group. We really want to
hear from you. Even if it is simply a new photo area, we still
appreciate you. There is really no sense in having me write everything,
and I am really not going to attack you for writing anything, no matter
what it is you write. I suppose there is a reasonable responsibility
here of which you should be able to control within yourselves, but
other than that, and making sure you do not spam us, just about
everything raptor related goes. Just make it raptor related, Okay?

Douglas E. Trapp, Owner
Raptors International

#1431 From: "Douglas E. Trapp" <falconryguy@...>
Date: Tue Sep 5, 2006 10:23 am
Subject: Two dead owls at Dutch zoo probably not infected with bird flu
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Mon Aug 21, 1:00 PM ET

Two owls found dead at Rotterdam zoo earlier this month were probably
not infected with the deadly H5N1 strain of bird flu as initially
suspected, the Dutch agriculture ministry has said.

The deadly virus was suspected when the birds died on August 12 and
tests were carried out.

Unlike most of the birds at the zoo in the southern port town, the
owls had not been vaccinated against the bird flu.

"Initial test results show that the two owls did not die of H5N1," a
ministry spokeswoman said on Monday.

Definitive results are expected on Friday and security measures
implemented to contain any spread of the virus will only be lifted
with the full results are known, she added.

At the beginning of the month a mild form of the H7N7 strain of bird
flu was found on a Dutch farm. About 25,000 chickens were culled as a
precautionary measure.

Russia on Monday imposed an embargo of fowl imports from the
Netherlands to prevent any contamination.

In 2003 the Netherlands was hit hard by an epidemic of a stronger
H7N7 strain which led to the cull of 25 million birds, about one
quarter of the country's poultry population at the time. One
veterinarian died.

According to the World Health Organisation, 239 people have been
infected with the virulent H5N1 strain of the virus and 140 have died.

Editor's Note: Bird Flu has not been reported in raptorial birds to
date, at least of which I am aware, and this report assumes all owls
are of the same species as all other birds, (which is totally
incorrect) and they do not describe the owl type other than being an
owl. Further study is justified. What species were these "owls", and
what was the cause of death? Sorry for the delayed report, but we
need answers.

Douglas E. Trapp, Owner
Raptors International

#1430 From: margo kenney <margokmargo@...>
Date: Mon Aug 28, 2006 10:24 pm
Subject: Re: [RAPTORS INTERNATIONAL] red shouldered hawk
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Our program, Eyes in the Sky, under the Audubon Society, did not diagnose him. He came to us from a Raptor Center that determined he couldn't be released.
If he can get used to handling, it will be a way to give him a little bit of exercise and stimulation. Otherwise, he is in a mew.
I can see him getting a little more eager each time to come out. He's really a beautiful bird, and he can help people have an appreciation of the wild birds they see from afar.
Ideally, this leads to a desire to protect the birds' habitat.
m
Margo,
 
I hope you are not "assuming" injuries that are permanent, based on your comment indicating that you "think" he may have a fractured wing. X-rays will show such things, and there will be evidence of calcification in the film. Again, I must stress that I do not support the idea or concept of using wild birds for educational purposes unless they truly serve such a purpose. I Have two Eurasian Eagle-owls that were raised for such purposes, and I can tell you that a healthy bird is much better to present than one that is totally uncomfortable with the educational setting. Wild birds never really tame to a point of being trustworthy ... keep this in mind.
 
Douglas E. Trapp, Owner
R.I.


margo kenney <margokmargo@yahoo.com> wrote:
Thank you for your help. I do weigh him every day, and he is calming down quite a bit. He is nonreleasable, and he will never be released. He can't fly very well even with his new feathers. We think he may have fractured his wing.
We need to be able to take him to schools and museums for educational purposes without alarming the public with excessive bating.
Thanks for the hints.
Margo Kenney
Santa Barbara

Douglas Trapp <falconryguy@yahoo.com> wrote:
Margo,
 
First, I must stress that I do not support the idea that this bird be totally manned, but I hear your heart and I cannot resist helping ...
 
First, you must learn the bird's weight on a daily basis. Put it on a scale daily. From this, drop its weight by not feeding (I know it's a fat bird) for a couple days. It will presumably have water to drink in it's chamber, and will need nothing more. As it becomes more cooperative, offer food only on the glove (gauntlet), in little tid-bits. Make it jump or fly to the gauntlet for tid-bits. Soon you will see less thrashing around before coming to the glove. Find that "Magic" weight where the bird is cooperative, then bring it down a couple ounces or so. This will not starve the bird, but will make it lean and ready to do whatever necessary to obtain food. At this point you will realize the "Flying Weight" of the bird, and it will no longer bate as much, or may discontinue bating altogether. This technique will create a "glove-bound" bird, but will be effective for your purposes. It will still be a releasable bird when the point becomes obvious it can fly. Wild is Wild as Wild is.
 
Douglas E. Trapp, Owner
Raptors International


margo kenney <margokmargo@yahoo.com> wrote:
This red shouldered hawk has been in captivity for over 9 months. He is young, and has his first set of mature feathers this summer.
He was rescued by the Ojai Raptor Center. When he recovered, they tried to release him, but he couldn't fly well enough to survive.
He came to the SB Eyes in the Sky program with his juvenile feathers, and he has settled down quite a bit.
We don't want to fly him, so his diet is whatever he can consume, and he is fed every day.
He has a large flight cage, but he keeps thrashing around, has broken his new feathers, and he developed bumblefoot, which is being treated. His perches have been covered in foam.
He does see the glove as a positive thing, as he will jump on while in his mew (after flying about several times).  When tangled or in trouble in the weathering area, he accepts help from the glove.
I was just wondering if anyone has any hints on how to decrease the number of bates. Our goal is to get him to the point where he can go to museums and classrooms without excessive bating.
With other species, a change in height of the glove or a small "earthquake"(moving the glove slightly) can prevent a bate, but with the red shouldered, he seems intent on going somewhere, hence the bate (not just being startled).
Any suggestions, other than time on the glove and exposure to other people and places?
I know they are more hyper than say, a red tailed, so any hints on how to enure him to handling would be appreciated.
Douglas Trapp <falconryguy@yahoo.com> wrote:
Red-shouldered Hawk exist only in North America, so she must be on our side of the pond.
 
This species is probably one of the easiest to man, but without falconry experience, the process is difficult to explain without writing a book, or at least a few chapters. I do not suggest rehabbers use falconry techniques to man wild birds for educational purposes, especially those of species in which numbers are stable, and those birds that can be released. Educational birds should be non-releasable only. Falconry birds are manned only to acclimate them to the falconer's presence, and in order to make them a bit more cooperative in the field. Manning a bird requires weight management, and that is not something you want to do to a bird recovering from bumble-foot. To me, recovering means that the goal is to release the bird. In my opinion, the bird should be free-lofted in a good sized flight chamber and fed as much as it will devour. Handling should be limited to examinations. A local vet with raptor veterinary medicine experience can help you imp new feathers to fix those already broken. Release should follow a disease-free diagnosis.
 
Douglas E. Trapp, Owner
Raptors International


Julie Hale <julhale@yahoo.com> wrote:
Where are you located?  In the US or another country?
 
Do you know the age of the hawk?  Despite the length of time he has been in captivity, the age that he came into captivity will have alot to do with how he responds to training.... especially for educational purposes.
 
And what was the circumstances that brought him into care?
 
Just wondering from a rehabber standpoint....
 
thanks,
Julie

margo kenney <margokmargo@yahoo.com> wrote:
Any suggestions for taming a red shouldered hawk? He has been in captivity about 10 months. Not happy with human contact. Has been fed on the glove. Is taken out daily to perches and to sit on the glove. Bates a lot. He has broken off his new mature feathers (is just getting adult feathers). Is recovering from Bumblefoot. The center perch, flexible pvc that is covered with rope, has been covered in foam pipe insulation, as has his bow perch.
He has calmed down some in his mew.
The goal is to get him to be able to go out in public without bating continually, and maybe even enjoy it.
He really loves being sprayed with water when the weather is warm (now).
Thanks.



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#1429 From: margo kenney <margokmargo@...>
Date: Mon Aug 28, 2006 10:13 pm
Subject: Re: [RAPTORS INTERNATIONAL] red shouldered hawk
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I think initially it was at the Ojai Raptor center. We got him after they determined he couldn't be released.
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Julie Hale <julhale@...> wrote:
Margo - has the wing been Xrayed???
thanks,
Julie

Douglas Trapp <falconryguy@yahoo.com> wrote:
Margo,
 
I hope you are not "assuming" injuries that are permanent, based on your comment indicating that you "think" he may have a fractured wing. X-rays will show such things, and there will be evidence of calcification in the film. Again, I must stress that I do not support the idea or concept of using wild birds for educational purposes unless they truly serve such a purpose. I Have two Eurasian Eagle-owls that were raised for such purposes, and I can tell you that a healthy bird is much better to present than one that is totally uncomfortable with the educational setting. Wild birds never really tame to a point of being trustworthy ... keep this in mind.
 
Douglas E. Trapp, Owner
R.I.


margo kenney <margokmargo@yahoo.com> wrote:
Thank you for your help. I do weigh him every day, and he is calming down quite a bit. He is nonreleasable, and he will never be released. He can't fly very well even with his new feathers. We think he may have fractured his wing.
We need to be able to take him to schools and museums for educational purposes without alarming the public with excessive bating.
Thanks for the hints.
Margo Kenney
Santa Barbara

Douglas Trapp <falconryguy@yahoo.com> wrote:
Margo,
 
First, I must stress that I do not support the idea that this bird be totally manned, but I hear your heart and I cannot resist helping ...
 
First, you must learn the bird's weight on a daily basis. Put it on a scale daily. From this, drop its weight by not feeding (I know it's a fat bird) for a couple days. It will presumably have water to drink in it's chamber, and will need nothing more. As it becomes more cooperative, offer food only on the glove (gauntlet), in little tid-bits. Make it jump or fly to the gauntlet for tid-bits. Soon you will see less thrashing around before coming to the glove. Find that "Magic" weight where the bird is cooperative, then bring it down a couple ounces or so. This will not starve the bird, but will make it lean and ready to do whatever necessary to obtain food. At this point you will realize the "Flying Weight" of the bird, and it will no longer bate as much, or may discontinue bating altogether. This technique will create a "glove-bound" bird, but will be effective for your purposes. It will still be a releasable bird when the point becomes obvious it can fly. Wild is Wild as Wild is.
 
Douglas E. Trapp, Owner
Raptors International


margo kenney <margokmargo@yahoo.com> wrote:
This red shouldered hawk has been in captivity for over 9 months. He is young, and has his first set of mature feathers this summer.
He was rescued by the Ojai Raptor Center. When he recovered, they tried to release him, but he couldn't fly well enough to survive.
He came to the SB Eyes in the Sky program with his juvenile feathers, and he has settled down quite a bit.
We don't want to fly him, so his diet is whatever he can consume, and he is fed every day.
He has a large flight cage, but he keeps thrashing around, has broken his new feathers, and he developed bumblefoot, which is being treated. His perches have been covered in foam.
He does see the glove as a positive thing, as he will jump on while in his mew (after flying about several times).  When tangled or in trouble in the weathering area, he accepts help from the glove.
I was just wondering if anyone has any hints on how to decrease the number of bates. Our goal is to get him to the point where he can go to museums and classrooms without excessive bating.
With other species, a change in height of the glove or a small "earthquake"(moving the glove slightly) can prevent a bate, but with the red shouldered, he seems intent on going somewhere, hence the bate (not just being startled).
Any suggestions, other than time on the glove and exposure to other people and places?
I know they are more hyper than say, a red tailed, so any hints on how to enure him to handling would be appreciated.
Douglas Trapp <falconryguy@yahoo.com> wrote:
Red-shouldered Hawk exist only in North America, so she must be on our side of the pond.
 
This species is probably one of the easiest to man, but without falconry experience, the process is difficult to explain without writing a book, or at least a few chapters. I do not suggest rehabbers use falconry techniques to man wild birds for educational purposes, especially those of species in which numbers are stable, and those birds that can be released. Educational birds should be non-releasable only. Falconry birds are manned only to acclimate them to the falconer's presence, and in order to make them a bit more cooperative in the field. Manning a bird requires weight management, and that is not something you want to do to a bird recovering from bumble-foot. To me, recovering means that the goal is to release the bird. In my opinion, the bird should be free-lofted in a good sized flight chamber and fed as much as it will devour. Handling should be limited to examinations. A local vet with raptor veterinary medicine experience can help you imp new feathers to fix those already broken. Release should follow a disease-free diagnosis.
 
Douglas E. Trapp, Owner
Raptors International


Julie Hale <julhale@yahoo.com> wrote:
Where are you located?  In the US or another country?
 
Do you know the age of the hawk?  Despite the length of time he has been in captivity, the age that he came into captivity will have alot to do with how he responds to training.... especially for educational purposes.
 
And what was the circumstances that brought him into care?
 
Just wondering from a rehabber standpoint....
 
thanks,
Julie

margo kenney <margokmargo@yahoo.com> wrote:
Any suggestions for taming a red shouldered hawk? He has been in captivity about 10 months. Not happy with human contact. Has been fed on the glove. Is taken out daily to perches and to sit on the glove. Bates a lot. He has broken off his new mature feathers (is just getting adult feathers). Is recovering from Bumblefoot. The center perch, flexible pvc that is covered with rope, has been covered in foam pipe insulation, as has his bow perch.
He has calmed down some in his mew.
The goal is to get him to be able to go out in public without bating continually, and maybe even enjoy it.
He really loves being sprayed with water when the weather is warm (now).
Thanks.



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#1428 From: Julie Hale <julhale@...>
Date: Mon Aug 28, 2006 2:44 pm
Subject: Re: [RAPTORS INTERNATIONAL] red shouldered hawk
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Margo - has the wing been Xrayed???
thanks,
Julie

Douglas Trapp <falconryguy@...> wrote:
Margo,
 
I hope you are not "assuming" injuries that are permanent, based on your comment indicating that you "think" he may have a fractured wing. X-rays will show such things, and there will be evidence of calcification in the film. Again, I must stress that I do not support the idea or concept of using wild birds for educational purposes unless they truly serve such a purpose. I Have two Eurasian Eagle-owls that were raised for such purposes, and I can tell you that a healthy bird is much better to present than one that is totally uncomfortable with the educational setting. Wild birds never really tame to a point of being trustworthy ... keep this in mind.
 
Douglas E. Trapp, Owner
R.I.


margo kenney <margokmargo@yahoo.com> wrote:
Thank you for your help. I do weigh him every day, and he is calming down quite a bit. He is nonreleasable, and he will never be released. He can't fly very well even with his new feathers. We think he may have fractured his wing.
We need to be able to take him to schools and museums for educational purposes without alarming the public with excessive bating.
Thanks for the hints.
Margo Kenney
Santa Barbara

Douglas Trapp <falconryguy@yahoo.com> wrote:
Margo,
 
First, I must stress that I do not support the idea that this bird be totally manned, but I hear your heart and I cannot resist helping ...
 
First, you must learn the bird's weight on a daily basis. Put it on a scale daily. From this, drop its weight by not feeding (I know it's a fat bird) for a couple days. It will presumably have water to drink in it's chamber, and will need nothing more. As it becomes more cooperative, offer food only on the glove (gauntlet), in little tid-bits. Make it jump or fly to the gauntlet for tid-bits. Soon you will see less thrashing around before coming to the glove. Find that "Magic" weight where the bird is cooperative, then bring it down a couple ounces or so. This will not starve the bird, but will make it lean and ready to do whatever necessary to obtain food. At this point you will realize the "Flying Weight" of the bird, and it will no longer bate as much, or may discontinue bating altogether. This technique will create a "glove-bound" bird, but will be effective for your purposes. It will still be a releasable bird when the point becomes obvious it can fly. Wild is Wild as Wild is.
 
Douglas E. Trapp, Owner
Raptors International


margo kenney <margokmargo@yahoo.com> wrote:
This red shouldered hawk has been in captivity for over 9 months. He is young, and has his first set of mature feathers this summer.
He was rescued by the Ojai Raptor Center. When he recovered, they tried to release him, but he couldn't fly well enough to survive.
He came to the SB Eyes in the Sky program with his juvenile feathers, and he has settled down quite a bit.
We don't want to fly him, so his diet is whatever he can consume, and he is fed every day.
He has a large flight cage, but he keeps thrashing around, has broken his new feathers, and he developed bumblefoot, which is being treated. His perches have been covered in foam.
He does see the glove as a positive thing, as he will jump on while in his mew (after flying about several times).  When tangled or in trouble in the weathering area, he accepts help from the glove.
I was just wondering if anyone has any hints on how to decrease the number of bates. Our goal is to get him to the point where he can go to museums and classrooms without excessive bating.
With other species, a change in height of the glove or a small "earthquake"(moving the glove slightly) can prevent a bate, but with the red shouldered, he seems intent on going somewhere, hence the bate (not just being startled).
Any suggestions, other than time on the glove and exposure to other people and places?
I know they are more hyper than say, a red tailed, so any hints on how to enure him to handling would be appreciated.
Douglas Trapp <falconryguy@yahoo.com> wrote:
Red-shouldered Hawk exist only in North America, so she must be on our side of the pond.
 
This species is probably one of the easiest to man, but without falconry experience, the process is difficult to explain without writing a book, or at least a few chapters. I do not suggest rehabbers use falconry techniques to man wild birds for educational purposes, especially those of species in which numbers are stable, and those birds that can be released. Educational birds should be non-releasable only. Falconry birds are manned only to acclimate them to the falconer's presence, and in order to make them a bit more cooperative in the field. Manning a bird requires weight management, and that is not something you want to do to a bird recovering from bumble-foot. To me, recovering means that the goal is to release the bird. In my opinion, the bird should be free-lofted in a good sized flight chamber and fed as much as it will devour. Handling should be limited to examinations. A local vet with raptor veterinary medicine experience can help you imp new feathers to fix those already broken. Release should follow a disease-free diagnosis.
 
Douglas E. Trapp, Owner
Raptors International


Julie Hale <julhale@yahoo.com> wrote:
Where are you located?  In the US or another country?
 
Do you know the age of the hawk?  Despite the length of time he has been in captivity, the age that he came into captivity will have alot to do with how he responds to training.... especially for educational purposes.
 
And what was the circumstances that brought him into care?
 
Just wondering from a rehabber standpoint....
 
thanks,
Julie

margo kenney <margokmargo@yahoo.com> wrote:
Any suggestions for taming a red shouldered hawk? He has been in captivity about 10 months. Not happy with human contact. Has been fed on the glove. Is taken out daily to perches and to sit on the glove. Bates a lot. He has broken off his new mature feathers (is just getting adult feathers). Is recovering from Bumblefoot. The center perch, flexible pvc that is covered with rope, has been covered in foam pipe insulation, as has his bow perch.
He has calmed down some in his mew.
The goal is to get him to be able to go out in public without bating continually, and maybe even enjoy it.
He really loves being sprayed with water when the weather is warm (now).
Thanks.



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#1427 From: Douglas Trapp <falconryguy@...>
Date: Mon Aug 28, 2006 11:35 am
Subject: Re: [RAPTORS INTERNATIONAL] red shouldered hawk
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Margo,
 
I hope you are not "assuming" injuries that are permanent, based on your comment indicating that you "think" he may have a fractured wing. X-rays will show such things, and there will be evidence of calcification in the film. Again, I must stress that I do not support the idea or concept of using wild birds for educational purposes unless they truly serve such a purpose. I Have two Eurasian Eagle-owls that were raised for such purposes, and I can tell you that a healthy bird is much better to present than one that is totally uncomfortable with the educational setting. Wild birds never really tame to a point of being trustworthy ... keep this in mind.
 
Douglas E. Trapp, Owner
R.I.


margo kenney <margokmargo@...> wrote:
Thank you for your help. I do weigh him every day, and he is calming down quite a bit. He is nonreleasable, and he will never be released. He can't fly very well even with his new feathers. We think he may have fractured his wing.
We need to be able to take him to schools and museums for educational purposes without alarming the public with excessive bating.
Thanks for the hints.
Margo Kenney
Santa Barbara

Douglas Trapp <falconryguy@yahoo.com> wrote:
Margo,
 
First, I must stress that I do not support the idea that this bird be totally manned, but I hear your heart and I cannot resist helping ...
 
First, you must learn the bird's weight on a daily basis. Put it on a scale daily. From this, drop its weight by not feeding (I know it's a fat bird) for a couple days. It will presumably have water to drink in it's chamber, and will need nothing more. As it becomes more cooperative, offer food only on the glove (gauntlet), in little tid-bits. Make it jump or fly to the gauntlet for tid-bits. Soon you will see less thrashing around before coming to the glove. Find that "Magic" weight where the bird is cooperative, then bring it down a couple ounces or so. This will not starve the bird, but will make it lean and ready to do whatever necessary to obtain food. At this point you will realize the "Flying Weight" of the bird, and it will no longer bate as much, or may discontinue bating altogether. This technique will create a "glove-bound" bird, but will be effective for your purposes. It will still be a releasable bird when the point becomes obvious it can fly. Wild is Wild as Wild is.
 
Douglas E. Trapp, Owner
Raptors International


margo kenney <margokmargo@yahoo.com> wrote:
This red shouldered hawk has been in captivity for over 9 months. He is young, and has his first set of mature feathers this summer.
He was rescued by the Ojai Raptor Center. When he recovered, they tried to release him, but he couldn't fly well enough to survive.
He came to the SB Eyes in the Sky program with his juvenile feathers, and he has settled down quite a bit.
We don't want to fly him, so his diet is whatever he can consume, and he is fed every day.
He has a large flight cage, but he keeps thrashing around, has broken his new feathers, and he developed bumblefoot, which is being treated. His perches have been covered in foam.
He does see the glove as a positive thing, as he will jump on while in his mew (after flying about several times).  When tangled or in trouble in the weathering area, he accepts help from the glove.
I was just wondering if anyone has any hints on how to decrease the number of bates. Our goal is to get him to the point where he can go to museums and classrooms without excessive bating.
With other species, a change in height of the glove or a small "earthquake"(moving the glove slightly) can prevent a bate, but with the red shouldered, he seems intent on going somewhere, hence the bate (not just being startled).
Any suggestions, other than time on the glove and exposure to other people and places?
I know they are more hyper than say, a red tailed, so any hints on how to enure him to handling would be appreciated.
Douglas Trapp <falconryguy@yahoo.com> wrote:
Red-shouldered Hawk exist only in North America, so she must be on our side of the pond.
 
This species is probably one of the easiest to man, but without falconry experience, the process is difficult to explain without writing a book, or at least a few chapters. I do not suggest rehabbers use falconry techniques to man wild birds for educational purposes, especially those of species in which numbers are stable, and those birds that can be released. Educational birds should be non-releasable only. Falconry birds are manned only to acclimate them to the falconer's presence, and in order to make them a bit more cooperative in the field. Manning a bird requires weight management, and that is not something you want to do to a bird recovering from bumble-foot. To me, recovering means that the goal is to release the bird. In my opinion, the bird should be free-lofted in a good sized flight chamber and fed as much as it will devour. Handling should be limited to examinations. A local vet with raptor veterinary medicine experience can help you imp new feathers to fix those already broken. Release should follow a disease-free diagnosis.
 
Douglas E. Trapp, Owner
Raptors International


Julie Hale <julhale@yahoo.com> wrote:
Where are you located?  In the US or another country?
 
Do you know the age of the hawk?  Despite the length of time he has been in captivity, the age that he came into captivity will have alot to do with how he responds to training.... especially for educational purposes.
 
And what was the circumstances that brought him into care?
 
Just wondering from a rehabber standpoint....
 
thanks,
Julie

margo kenney <margokmargo@yahoo.com> wrote:
Any suggestions for taming a red shouldered hawk? He has been in captivity about 10 months. Not happy with human contact. Has been fed on the glove. Is taken out daily to perches and to sit on the glove. Bates a lot. He has broken off his new mature feathers (is just getting adult feathers). Is recovering from Bumblefoot. The center perch, flexible pvc that is covered with rope, has been covered in foam pipe insulation, as has his bow perch.
He has calmed down some in his mew.
The goal is to get him to be able to go out in public without bating continually, and maybe even enjoy it.
He really loves being sprayed with water when the weather is warm (now).
Thanks.



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#1426 From: margo kenney <margokmargo@...>
Date: Mon Aug 28, 2006 5:24 am
Subject: Re: [RAPTORS INTERNATIONAL] red shouldered hawk
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Thank you for your help. I do weigh him every day, and he is calming down quite a bit. He is nonreleasable, and he will never be released. He can't fly very well even with his new feathers. We think he may have fractured his wing.
We need to be able to take him to schools and museums for educational purposes without alarming the public with excessive bating.
Thanks for the hints.
Margo Kenney
Santa Barbara

Douglas Trapp <falconryguy@...> wrote:
Margo,
 
First, I must stress that I do not support the idea that this bird be totally manned, but I hear your heart and I cannot resist helping ...
 
First, you must learn the bird's weight on a daily basis. Put it on a scale daily. From this, drop its weight by not feeding (I know it's a fat bird) for a couple days. It will presumably have water to drink in it's chamber, and will need nothing more. As it becomes more cooperative, offer food only on the glove (gauntlet), in little tid-bits. Make it jump or fly to the gauntlet for tid-bits. Soon you will see less thrashing around before coming to the glove. Find that "Magic" weight where the bird is cooperative, then bring it down a couple ounces or so. This will not starve the bird, but will make it lean and ready to do whatever necessary to obtain food. At this point you will realize the "Flying Weight" of the bird, and it will no longer bate as much, or may discontinue bating altogether. This technique will create a "glove-bound" bird, but will be effective for your purposes. It will still be a releasable bird when the point becomes obvious it can fly. Wild is Wild as Wild is.
 
Douglas E. Trapp, Owner
Raptors International


margo kenney <margokmargo@yahoo.com> wrote:
This red shouldered hawk has been in captivity for over 9 months. He is young, and has his first set of mature feathers this summer.
He was rescued by the Ojai Raptor Center. When he recovered, they tried to release him, but he couldn't fly well enough to survive.
He came to the SB Eyes in the Sky program with his juvenile feathers, and he has settled down quite a bit.
We don't want to fly him, so his diet is whatever he can consume, and he is fed every day.
He has a large flight cage, but he keeps thrashing around, has broken his new feathers, and he developed bumblefoot, which is being treated. His perches have been covered in foam.
He does see the glove as a positive thing, as he will jump on while in his mew (after flying about several times).  When tangled or in trouble in the weathering area, he accepts help from the glove.
I was just wondering if anyone has any hints on how to decrease the number of bates. Our goal is to get him to the point where he can go to museums and classrooms without excessive bating.
With other species, a change in height of the glove or a small "earthquake"(moving the glove slightly) can prevent a bate, but with the red shouldered, he seems intent on going somewhere, hence the bate (not just being startled).
Any suggestions, other than time on the glove and exposure to other people and places?
I know they are more hyper than say, a red tailed, so any hints on how to enure him to handling would be appreciated.
Douglas Trapp <falconryguy@yahoo.com> wrote:
Red-shouldered Hawk exist only in North America, so she must be on our side of the pond.
 
This species is probably one of the easiest to man, but without falconry experience, the process is difficult to explain without writing a book, or at least a few chapters. I do not suggest rehabbers use falconry techniques to man wild birds for educational purposes, especially those of species in which numbers are stable, and those birds that can be released. Educational birds should be non-releasable only. Falconry birds are manned only to acclimate them to the falconer's presence, and in order to make them a bit more cooperative in the field. Manning a bird requires weight management, and that is not something you want to do to a bird recovering from bumble-foot. To me, recovering means that the goal is to release the bird. In my opinion, the bird should be free-lofted in a good sized flight chamber and fed as much as it will devour. Handling should be limited to examinations. A local vet with raptor veterinary medicine experience can help you imp new feathers to fix those already broken. Release should follow a disease-free diagnosis.
 
Douglas E. Trapp, Owner
Raptors International


Julie Hale <julhale@yahoo.com> wrote:
Where are you located?  In the US or another country?
 
Do you know the age of the hawk?  Despite the length of time he has been in captivity, the age that he came into captivity will have alot to do with how he responds to training.... especially for educational purposes.
 
And what was the circumstances that brought him into care?
 
Just wondering from a rehabber standpoint....
 
thanks,
Julie

margo kenney <margokmargo@yahoo.com> wrote:
Any suggestions for taming a red shouldered hawk? He has been in captivity about 10 months. Not happy with human contact. Has been fed on the glove. Is taken out daily to perches and to sit on the glove. Bates a lot. He has broken off his new mature feathers (is just getting adult feathers). Is recovering from Bumblefoot. The center perch, flexible pvc that is covered with rope, has been covered in foam pipe insulation, as has his bow perch.
He has calmed down some in his mew.
The goal is to get him to be able to go out in public without bating continually, and maybe even enjoy it.
He really loves being sprayed with water when the weather is warm (now).
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#1425 From: "Douglas E. Trapp" <falconryguy@...>
Date: Mon Aug 7, 2006 4:44 am
Subject: Seven special contests for hunting show - UAE
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6 August 2006

ABU DHABI - Over 75,000 visitors and 400 exhibitors from as many as
35 countries are expected to throng the Abu Dhabi International
Hunting and Equestrian Exhibition (ADIHEX).

The event, organised by the Emirates Falconers' Club, will take place
from September 11 to 15 at the Abu Dhabi International Exhibition
Centre.

The organisers have announced that there is no limit on the number of
participants but added that anyone who wants to register must do so
by August 31.

Apart from hunting and falconry equipment, camel and horse auctions
and heritage related exhibitions, there will also be seven special
competitions at ADIHEX this year.

Owners of falcon farms can participate in the hybrid falcon
competition, which has three categories finest Gyr-Saker, finest Gyr-
Peregrine and finest male Gyr.

There is also a competition for best idea or invention related to
hunting and falconry equipment.

During poetry nights, poets from the GCC region will recite "Nabati"
poems, competing for the title of the finest poem describing a bird,
the finest poem describing a hunting trip and the finest poem about
losing a bird.

Mohammed Khalaf Al Mazrouie, chairman of ADIHEX Organising Committee
and Board Member of Emirates Falconers' Club, said that these poetry
evenings will not only unravel some of the most beautiful "Nabati"
verses but will also revive a deeply rooted, traditional poetry
style, locally called "Al Qalta".

A fourth competition will be for the best research on Arab hunting
and equestrian theme.

The work must be specially written for the exhibition and it must be
between 20 to 50 pages.

On the artistic side, there will be two competitions, painting and
photography, where anyone can participate with works of art on
hunting, equestrian and heritage subjects. This year, ADIHEX will
also introduce two new competitions.

One will be for the best-equipped vehicle for hunting trips held
under the inventions category. Saluki, the Arabian hunting dog, will
be present at ADIHEX 2006 for the first time.

Both feathered and smoothed breeds will compete in two categories
beauty contest and lure coursing show.

ADIHEX is not only a great promoter of social, cultural and
traditional aspects of Gulf countries in general and UAE in
particular, but it also offers unique economic opportunities.

According to the organisers, last year alone exhibitors made more
than Dh60 million in direct sales as well as business deals worth
Dh800 million.

#1424 From: Douglas Trapp <falconryguy@...>
Date: Mon Jul 31, 2006 4:04 am
Subject: Re: [RAPTORS INTERNATIONAL] red shouldered hawk
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Margo,
 
First, I must stress that I do not support the idea that this bird be totally manned, but I hear your heart and I cannot resist helping ...
 
First, you must learn the bird's weight on a daily basis. Put it on a scale daily. From this, drop its weight by not feeding (I know it's a fat bird) for a couple days. It will presumably have water to drink in it's chamber, and will need nothing more. As it becomes more cooperative, offer food only on the glove (gauntlet), in little tid-bits. Make it jump or fly to the gauntlet for tid-bits. Soon you will see less thrashing around before coming to the glove. Find that "Magic" weight where the bird is cooperative, then bring it down a couple ounces or so. This will not starve the bird, but will make it lean and ready to do whatever necessary to obtain food. At this point you will realize the "Flying Weight" of the bird, and it will no longer bate as much, or may discontinue bating altogether. This technique will create a "glove-bound" bird, but will be effective for your purposes. It will still be a releasable bird when the point becomes obvious it can fly. Wild is Wild as Wild is.
 
Douglas E. Trapp, Owner
Raptors International


margo kenney <margokmargo@...> wrote:
This red shouldered hawk has been in captivity for over 9 months. He is young, and has his first set of mature feathers this summer.
He was rescued by the Ojai Raptor Center. When he recovered, they tried to release him, but he couldn't fly well enough to survive.
He came to the SB Eyes in the Sky program with his juvenile feathers, and he has settled down quite a bit.
We don't want to fly him, so his diet is whatever he can consume, and he is fed every day.
He has a large flight cage, but he keeps thrashing around, has broken his new feathers, and he developed bumblefoot, which is being treated. His perches have been covered in foam.
He does see the glove as a positive thing, as he will jump on while in his mew (after flying about several times).  When tangled or in trouble in the weathering area, he accepts help from the glove.
I was just wondering if anyone has any hints on how to decrease the number of bates. Our goal is to get him to the point where he can go to museums and classrooms without excessive bating.
With other species, a change in height of the glove or a small "earthquake"(moving the glove slightly) can prevent a bate, but with the red shouldered, he seems intent on going somewhere, hence the bate (not just being startled).
Any suggestions, other than time on the glove and exposure to other people and places?
I know they are more hyper than say, a red tailed, so any hints on how to enure him to handling would be appreciated.
Douglas Trapp <falconryguy@yahoo.com> wrote:
Red-shouldered Hawk exist only in North America, so she must be on our side of the pond.
 
This species is probably one of the easiest to man, but without falconry experience, the process is difficult to explain without writing a book, or at least a few chapters. I do not suggest rehabbers use falconry techniques to man wild birds for educational purposes, especially those of species in which numbers are stable, and those birds that can be released. Educational birds should be non-releasable only. Falconry birds are manned only to acclimate them to the falconer's presence, and in order to make them a bit more cooperative in the field. Manning a bird requires weight management, and that is not something you want to do to a bird recovering from bumble-foot. To me, recovering means that the goal is to release the bird. In my opinion, the bird should be free-lofted in a good sized flight chamber and fed as much as it will devour. Handling should be limited to examinations. A local vet with raptor veterinary medicine experience can help you imp new feathers to fix those already broken. Release should follow a disease-free diagnosis.
 
Douglas E. Trapp, Owner
Raptors International


Julie Hale <julhale@yahoo.com> wrote:
Where are you located?  In the US or another country?
 
Do you know the age of the hawk?  Despite the length of time he has been in captivity, the age that he came into captivity will have alot to do with how he responds to training.... especially for educational purposes.
 
And what was the circumstances that brought him into care?
 
Just wondering from a rehabber standpoint....
 
thanks,
Julie

margo kenney <margokmargo@yahoo.com> wrote:
Any suggestions for taming a red shouldered hawk? He has been in captivity about 10 months. Not happy with human contact. Has been fed on the glove. Is taken out daily to perches and to sit on the glove. Bates a lot. He has broken off his new mature feathers (is just getting adult feathers). Is recovering from Bumblefoot. The center perch, flexible pvc that is covered with rope, has been covered in foam pipe insulation, as has his bow perch.
He has calmed down some in his mew.
The goal is to get him to be able to go out in public without bating continually, and maybe even enjoy it.
He really loves being sprayed with water when the weather is warm (now).
Thanks.



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#1423 From: margo kenney <margokmargo@...>
Date: Sun Jul 30, 2006 7:40 pm
Subject: Re: [RAPTORS INTERNATIONAL] red shouldered hawk
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This red shouldered hawk has been in captivity for over 9 months. He is young, and has his first set of mature feathers this summer.
He was rescued by the Ojai Raptor Center. When he recovered, they tried to release him, but he couldn't fly well enough to survive.
He came to the SB Eyes in the Sky program with his juvenile feathers, and he has settled down quite a bit.
We don't want to fly him, so his diet is whatever he can consume, and he is fed every day.
He has a large flight cage, but he keeps thrashing around, has broken his new feathers, and he developed bumblefoot, which is being treated. His perches have been covered in foam.
He does see the glove as a positive thing, as he will jump on while in his mew (after flying about several times).  When tangled or in trouble in the weathering area, he accepts help from the glove.
I was just wondering if anyone has any hints on how to decrease the number of bates. Our goal is to get him to the point where he can go to museums and classrooms without excessive bating.
With other species, a change in height of the glove or a small "earthquake"(moving the glove slightly) can prevent a bate, but with the red shouldered, he seems intent on going somewhere, hence the bate (not just being startled).
Any suggestions, other than time on the glove and exposure to other people and places?
I know they are more hyper than say, a red tailed, so any hints on how to enure him to handling would be appreciated.
Douglas Trapp <falconryguy@...> wrote:
Red-shouldered Hawk exist only in North America, so she must be on our side of the pond.
 
This species is probably one of the easiest to man, but without falconry experience, the process is difficult to explain without writing a book, or at least a few chapters. I do not suggest rehabbers use falconry techniques to man wild birds for educational purposes, especially those of species in which numbers are stable, and those birds that can be released. Educational birds should be non-releasable only. Falconry birds are manned only to acclimate them to the falconer's presence, and in order to make them a bit more cooperative in the field. Manning a bird requires weight management, and that is not something you want to do to a bird recovering from bumble-foot. To me, recovering means that the goal is to release the bird. In my opinion, the bird should be free-lofted in a good sized flight chamber and fed as much as it will devour. Handling should be limited to examinations. A local vet with raptor veterinary medicine experience can help you imp new feathers to fix those already broken. Release should follow a disease-free diagnosis.
 
Douglas E. Trapp, Owner
Raptors International


Julie Hale <julhale@yahoo.com> wrote:
Where are you located?  In the US or another country?
 
Do you know the age of the hawk?  Despite the length of time he has been in captivity, the age that he came into captivity will have alot to do with how he responds to training.... especially for educational purposes.
 
And what was the circumstances that brought him into care?
 
Just wondering from a rehabber standpoint....
 
thanks,
Julie

margo kenney <margokmargo@yahoo.com> wrote:
Any suggestions for taming a red shouldered hawk? He has been in captivity about 10 months. Not happy with human contact. Has been fed on the glove. Is taken out daily to perches and to sit on the glove. Bates a lot. He has broken off his new mature feathers (is just getting adult feathers). Is recovering from Bumblefoot. The center perch, flexible pvc that is covered with rope, has been covered in foam pipe insulation, as has his bow perch.
He has calmed down some in his mew.
The goal is to get him to be able to go out in public without bating continually, and maybe even enjoy it.
He really loves being sprayed with water when the weather is warm (now).
Thanks.



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#1422 From: Douglas Trapp <falconryguy@...>
Date: Thu Jul 27, 2006 3:58 am
Subject: Re: [RAPTORS INTERNATIONAL] red shouldered hawk
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Red-shouldered Hawk exist only in North America, so she must be on our side of the pond.
 
This species is probably one of the easiest to man, but without falconry experience, the process is difficult to explain without writing a book, or at least a few chapters. I do not suggest rehabbers use falconry techniques to man wild birds for educational purposes, especially those of species in which numbers are stable, and those birds that can be released. Educational birds should be non-releasable only. Falconry birds are manned only to acclimate them to the falconer's presence, and in order to make them a bit more cooperative in the field. Manning a bird requires weight management, and that is not something you want to do to a bird recovering from bumble-foot. To me, recovering means that the goal is to release the bird. In my opinion, the bird should be free-lofted in a good sized flight chamber and fed as much as it will devour. Handling should be limited to examinations. A local vet with raptor veterinary medicine experience can help you imp new feathers to fix those already broken. Release should follow a disease-free diagnosis.
 
Douglas E. Trapp, Owner
Raptors International


Julie Hale <julhale@...> wrote:
Where are you located?  In the US or another country?
 
Do you know the age of the hawk?  Despite the length of time he has been in captivity, the age that he came into captivity will have alot to do with how he responds to training.... especially for educational purposes.
 
And what was the circumstances that brought him into care?
 
Just wondering from a rehabber standpoint....
 
thanks,
Julie

margo kenney <margokmargo@yahoo.com> wrote:
Any suggestions for taming a red shouldered hawk? He has been in captivity about 10 months. Not happy with human contact. Has been fed on the glove. Is taken out daily to perches and to sit on the glove. Bates a lot. He has broken off his new mature feathers (is just getting adult feathers). Is recovering from Bumblefoot. The center perch, flexible pvc that is covered with rope, has been covered in foam pipe insulation, as has his bow perch.
He has calmed down some in his mew.
The goal is to get him to be able to go out in public without bating continually, and maybe even enjoy it.
He really loves being sprayed with water when the weather is warm (now).
Thanks.



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#1421 From: Julie Hale <julhale@...>
Date: Wed Jul 26, 2006 9:29 pm
Subject: Re: [RAPTORS INTERNATIONAL] red shouldered hawk
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Where are you located?  In the US or another country?
 
Do you know the age of the hawk?  Despite the length of time he has been in captivity, the age that he came into captivity will have alot to do with how he responds to training.... especially for educational purposes.
 
And what was the circumstances that brought him into care?
 
Just wondering from a rehabber standpoint....
 
thanks,
Julie

margo kenney <margokmargo@...> wrote:
Any suggestions for taming a red shouldered hawk? He has been in captivity about 10 months. Not happy with human contact. Has been fed on the glove. Is taken out daily to perches and to sit on the glove. Bates a lot. He has broken off his new mature feathers (is just getting adult feathers). Is recovering from Bumblefoot. The center perch, flexible pvc that is covered with rope, has been covered in foam pipe insulation, as has his bow perch.
He has calmed down some in his mew.
The goal is to get him to be able to go out in public without bating continually, and maybe even enjoy it.
He really loves being sprayed with water when the weather is warm (now).
Thanks.



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#1420 From: margo kenney <margokmargo@...>
Date: Wed Jul 26, 2006 8:53 pm
Subject: red shouldered hawk
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Any suggestions for taming a red shouldered hawk? He has been in captivity about 10 months. Not happy with human contact. Has been fed on the glove. Is taken out daily to perches and to sit on the glove. Bates a lot. He has broken off his new mature feathers (is just getting adult feathers). Is recovering from Bumblefoot. The center perch, flexible pvc that is covered with rope, has been covered in foam pipe insulation, as has his bow perch.
He has calmed down some in his mew.
The goal is to get him to be able to go out in public without bating continually, and maybe even enjoy it.
He really loves being sprayed with water when the weather is warm (now).
Thanks.



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#1419 From: margo kenney <margokmargo@...>
Date: Mon Jul 17, 2006 3:16 pm
Subject: one year old red shouldered hawk
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Any suggestions for taming a red shouldered hawk? He has been in captivity about 10 months. Not happy with human contact. Has been fed on the glove. Is taken out daily to perches and to sit on the glove. Bates a lot. He has broken off his new mature feathers (is just getting adult feathers). Is recovering from Bumblefoot. The center perch, flexible pvc that is covered with rope, has been covered in foam pipe insulation, as has his bow perch.
He has calmed down some in his mew.
The goal is to get him to be able to go out in public without bating continually, and maybe even enjoy it.
He really loves being sprayed with water when the weather is warm (now).
Thanks.



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#1418 From: "Douglas E. Trapp" <falconryguy@...>
Date: Mon Jul 3, 2006 4:39 am
Subject: Job Announcement: Assistant Falconer (Dallas)
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Medieval Times Dinner & Tournament in Dallas, Texas is currently
seeking an Assistant to the Master Falconer. Candidate should have
experience and knowledge of avian husbandry . Falconry experience or
raptor handling a plus.

Position is part-time (<32 hours/week) but will include several 40
hour weeks per year, especially during the extensive training period.

Duties include weight management of falcons and owls; educational
discussions with public interaction; care and maintenance of housing
facilities (mews); equipment maintenance; and requires working
holidays and weekends as scheduled. The Assistant is also expected to
care for the birds and facilities on non-show days. The Assistant
must not have any other employment that will conflict with working
schedules. Assistant must be prompt and reliable, and reside in or
near to the Dallas-Fort Worth Metroplex, or willing to relocate.

Assistant will be trained in various levels of falconry techniques as
well as the art of lure-flying. Assistant will be trained to ride a
horse, and will be trained to be part of the show during periods when
the Master Falconer is on vacation (approx. 2 weeks per year in
June). Assistant will be trained for non-related duties as needed by
the Show Manager.

For more information, contact the following via E-mail immediately:

Douglas E. Trapp, Master Falconer
Medieval Times Dinner & Tournament
Dallas, Texas
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#1417 From: "Douglas E. Trapp" <falconryguy@...>
Date: Tue May 30, 2006 2:41 am
Subject: Feds reject petition to list spotted owl
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By JULIANA BARBASSA, Associated Press Writer
Wed May 24, 7:26 PM ET

The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service on Tuesday rejected a petition to
list the California spotted owl under the Endangered Species Act,
saying the population is stable and programs that prevent forest
wildfires will allow it to thrive.

The decision rankled the environmental groups that had requested
protection of the speckled, football-sized owl. This was their second
effort to list the bird in three years.

The petition's denial was based in part on the recommendation of
scientists commissioned to study the owl, said Steve Thompson,
manager of the agency's California-Nevada operations office.

They found that fires that creep through excessive brush and
eventually consume the old-growth forests the owls prefer are their
main threat, Thompson said, adding that U.S. Forest Service tree
thinning programs will prevent the spread of flames and ensure the
owls remain off the endangered list.

But environmentalists protested, saying the Sierra Nevada Forest
Plan, amended in 2004 to allow cutting trees of up to 30 inches in
diameter, is logging in disguise and destroys owl habitat.

"They're completely off base," said Noah Greenwald, with the Center
for Biological Diversity's Portland office. "Logging is by far the
most serious threat to the California spotted owl and the kind of
fuel reduction they're talking about is just that — logging."

Greenwald said that it's long been understood that the owls need
mature trees. He said that thin, easily consumed vegetation such as
grass, brush and small trees under 12 inches in diameter are what
feed the raging fires that can race through California's hills in
summer and fall.

Environmentalists said the petition's denial has more to do with the
current political climate than with threats facing the owl.

Another threat to the California spotted owl is encroachment into its
territory by a larger, more aggressive owl — the barred owl,
originally from the East Coast.

But although the eastern owl moved quickly into the Pacific
Northwest, its spread into the Sierra has been slower than
anticipated, and it hasn't reached Southern California yet, federal
officials said.

Placing the owl under federal protection would have required
officials to designate habitat that is essential for its recovery.
That could have significant impact on activities allowed within the
11.5 million acres of national forests in the Sierra.

It could severely limit commercial logging in the area, as seen when
a closely related subspecies — the northern spotted owl — was listed
as threatened in 1990. Large tracts of federal forests were closed to
logging in Northern California, Oregon and Washington, cutting back
logging by 80 percent in federal forests and reducing it in private
lands, and leaving timber-depended towns to face an economic slump.

#1416 From: "Julie Hale" <julhale@...>
Date: Thu Apr 27, 2006 2:12 pm
Subject: The best eagle cam ever!
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The eggs should hatch this week... I tend to spend way too much time
with bird cams, but this is the BEST one I have ever seen!!!

http://www.infotecbusinesssystems.com/wildlife/

#1415 From: Julie Hale <julhale@...>
Date: Thu Feb 2, 2006 6:43 pm
Subject: Eagle Fest in Emory Texas!
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Hi all,
 
The 11th Annual Eagle Fest will be in Emory, TX, NEXT weekend (Feb 11-12).  I haven't seen much advertising for this, so I thought I would send this information out to my groups that my be interested in attending or planning for next year.  I found the info in my electric company's co-op circular.
 
The link to their website:  http://www.eaglefest.org/
 
I noted that 911 wildlife will be there this year as an exhibitor.  One the Wing Again and Last Chance Forever foundation will be there as well!
 
I have to check our calendar to see if we can manage attending... be we will definitely get it on the calendar next year!!!!
 
If you go, and I don't, I expect a REPORT!!!
 
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#1414 From: "Douglas E. Trapp" <falconryguy@...>
Date: Mon Jan 16, 2006 11:15 am
Subject: Raptor Cams are active once again
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Two Raptor Cams are currently active, and the links are on our main
page. One is for a pair of Barn Owl in California, the other is a pair
of Bald Eagle in Maryland. Both refresh on their own unless you speed-
up the process. Click refresh to speed things up.

In addition, a pair of Red-tailed Hawks decided to nest on a building
near my work place, earlier than normal. No Cams on that one (yet), but
still possible.

Douglas E. Trapp, Owner
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