rmca.org has some good info and
http://ratguide.com/care/ is also a good site incase you never
visitied those.  Glad to hear your babies are doing better.  I have
my two girls in the same cage now.  They only power groomed each
other once.  They don't seem to care alot for each other though.
One usually stays on one level and the other on the other level.  I
am looking for one more girl.  I am going to get a female hairless
dumbo (someday soon I hope).  Have a great day!



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> I tried to join the Yahoo hoo rat fan club, to get helpful
> information, and they make you tell them in a limited number of
words
> why you should be allowed to be a member,...then put you on the
> "pending" list.
> I then got a personal email supposedly fro the group person in
charge
> of deciding who gets in, ..and she told me to send specific
> information,...personal information, addres etc. and that she had
to
> ask because of "A new yahoo rule" well I gave all the info,
stateing
> that I hope it is held confidential,...and I got kicked off the
list!!!!!!
> ASAP.
> I think that when someone has a genuine interest in helping
ratties,
> they should be able to acess the help!...So much for that "group"
> I am very angry, because I was trying to get help for my little
girls.
> ipscman45
> PS they want to make you pay for their newsletter as
well,...forced,
> or no member.

I tried to join the Yahoo hoo rat fan club, to get helpful
information, and they make you tell them in a limited number of words
why you should be allowed to be a member,...then put you on the
"pending" list.
I then got a personal email supposedly fro the group person in charge
of deciding who gets in, ..and she told me to send specific
information,...personal information, addres etc. and that she had to
ask because of "A new yahoo rule" well I gave all the info, stateing
that I hope it is held confidential,...and I got kicked off the list!!!!!!
ASAP.
I think that when someone has a genuine interest in helping ratties,
they should be able to acess the help!...So much for that "group"
I am very angry, because I was trying to get help for my little girls.
ipscman45
PS they want to make you pay for their newsletter as well,...forced,
or no member.

The lice were feeding on my poor ratties, and the "Revolution" drops
seemed to work, but took a while.
I also washed them in a cat/kitten shampoo from Hartz, now at least
the smell pretty!
On two of my "Corsican sisters" (because they have big hairy feet,
like cheech and chong int the movie of the same name)...The lice eggs,
called "nits" were covering there fur, tiny small, silvery "things"
attached to each hair shaft! check your ratties for those silvery
looking "tiny clumps" on their fur.
The two Corsican sisters actually had gotten the horrible parasites in
their nasal passages, and all the other openings that a femal rat
has,...it was shocking to see it.
I think that the parasites almost killed them, because of the labored
breathing and blood from their poor little noses.
The other ratties all had terrible wounds, but are all healing after
extreme amounts of loving care, anti biotics, saline irrigation, etc.
The tea tree oil body wash seems to help their skin, and it makes them
smell nice too!
One of the cuties actually likes to get a bath! The little dumbo girls
looks so cute, all dripping wet, water running off her tail, those
little whiskers "whiskering" and those big eyes so trusting not to
hurt her, and keep here above the water!
I towel dry them first with paper towels, in case of the parasites,
then go to the pure white towel to catch any bugs that might still be
wandering around.  I use a small blow dryer on low, to finish with.
They seem to enjoy the process, all except the Corsicans and the other
grey dumbo girl, ...she lost her sister recently, I came home to find
her just lying there on the bottom of the cage, with her eyes open,
but not moving....she was dead, and the same age as her twin sister.
No blood,no marks,or wounds.  The wooden play house was turned over
next to her head, and I fear that the other ratties when they get
"playing with the wooden house,...they throw it across the cage
against the cage door.  It looks as if the little dumbo girl got hit
with the flying house, perhaps breaking her neck.
The wooden house is now gone, and the web site said that you have to
be very careful about pet store playthings as someone reported getiing
lice from eggs that were on the wooden play house purchased in the pet
store! I now freeze everything I can, food treats, etc. for a few days
before the girls get them.
I went, (and they did) over a month over suffering  because of these
parasites,...I am wrung out, but they are at least doing better now.
You all know how they look at you, as if saying "Hi daddy! we missed
you all day! lets us out so we can play and run around,...got any
treats?....lets have some!
God,...I love the little buggers.
ipscman45

Thanks for the freezing tip. I think the bedding is where the lice and mites on
my babies are coming from.

~Susie~

Belinda <flambled@...> wrote:

Some very good questions were brought up.  When my
girls had lice I could see the nits and such and they
also had bald patches on them, not to mention the vet
said they had lice.  I think they got it from a bag of
bedding I had.  Now I try to freeze all the bedding I
get before using it, and so far it has been
successful.  I actually do this with the seed I have
my uro one too(to reduce bugs).  I have heard other
people as well say that the lice spray you can get for
birds works well and it is cheaper than other options.
Good luck with your babies and keep us informed.

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Some very good questions were brought up.  When my
girls had lice I could see the nits and such and they
also had bald patches on them, not to mention the vet
said they had lice.  I think they got it from a bag of
bedding I had.  Now I try to freeze all the bedding I
get before using it, and so far it has been
successful.  I actually do this with the seed I have
my uro one too(to reduce bugs).  I have heard other
people as well say that the lice spray you can get for
birds works well and it is cheaper than other options.
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Hi again,

I agree with Candice that vets charge WAY too much for simple problems with
little animals.

Any parasite problems (I was going to write, "vermin problems" until I realized
some people actually regard rats as vermin--HORRORS!) I had with the rats (last
being at least 5 yrs ago) were brought in from other places.  The mites came
from an infested rat from the SPCA.  The lice came from a rat I bought from a
petstore.  It was my fault that I didn't inspect their fur carefully enough
before I added them to my colony.

I had an idea last night as I pondered your lice problem while changing the
cages. It's been bugging me (pardon the pun) because in my experience, lice are
not difficult to get rid of, even in large colonies.  Since they have a limited
life cycle, nearly anything you use will kill them ( I used bird spray), & if
you use the remedy at regular, frequent intervals you interrupt the life cycle &
you're done with the little buggers.

You say you use shredded newspapers as bedding---so do I.  I was going over old
newpapers that were in the recycle box the other day which felt gritty.  Upon
close inspection, I saw some little paper lice.  I've seen these before
infesting very old books.  Is it possible that you have paper lice?????
If so, they shouldn't bother the rats since they don't suck blood but eat paper
components.

So my question is, "Are these lice actually lunching on your rats?  Are they
attached to the flesh? Do the rats scratch & have sores, or are the lice just
infesting the paper bedding"?

If I am insulting you with my question, I apologize since I know you did a lot
of research on this matter.  I just had to ask since the possiblity of paper
lice would have a such a simple solution.
Good luck & let us know,
-Wildflower

i would just use bird mite & lice spray or lice spray for kittens. I
used the bird spray from wal mart on my mice for mites. for mites you
spray it in the bedding, for lice, on the mice themselves. none of my
rats has ever gotten lice. i don't know why vets have to be so
expensive! we only when once for a mouse that was sick. it was $30
just to look at him and $50 for his medicine! the medicine didn't
even help. (he was having seizures). i wouldnt get the stuff for
horses, its probably too strong for little ratties. you should
prbably just get the bird or kitten stuff, if the vet's doesn't work.
but i don't think i'd use them both at the same time, since it might
be too much. i hope it works out.
                                 candice

I feverishly searched for info on the net, and found a univesity site
that had photos of the lice and methods of getting rid of them.
I went to the best vet in the area, and they wanted to charge $40.00
per Rat (six of them) before they would do anything!
I had one of them in for teeth trimming just a few days earlier, and
no parasites were detected then?
They would not give me the Ivermectin, but sold me a topical
medication called "Revolution" for cats. One drop every two weeks at
the base of the neck per rattie. Three small tubes containing about
five drops each, at $40.00!
I don't know if the stuff Walmart sells which is by Hartz, would work
the same for under $5.00?
I got rid of all bedding material, toys etc.
I am using newspaper torn into strips for right now. I bathed all of
them in tea tree oil body wash, then treated them with the revolution.
So far, no improvement.
I also disinfected EVERYTHING I could find ariund the ratties.
I considered going to Agway and getting the stuff used for horses,
about the size of uncooked rice, per rattie, in conjuction with the
revolution stuff, ...but am afraid to overdose them with pesticides.
Thank you for your letters.
ipscman45 and Ratties

--- In rattastical@yahoogroups.com, ipscman45 <no_reply@y...> wrote:> I cannot
believe my eyes,...I found lice in the bedding, now all the> rattties are
infected. HELP!!!!> I changed the bedding, disinfected everything, bathed them
allseveral> times,...and still parasites!!!> ipscman45 Hi Ipscman,I haven't
visited here often lately, thinking the group was prettymuch defunct but I see
it's still alive & posting.I have a large number of rats & remember the great
lice infestation.Worse yet was the horrible MITE infestation (that came from
aninfested SPCA rescue.Are you sure it's lice?  I've never seen lice in bedding.
Lice aresmall beige enlongated critters attached to the skin of the infesteewith
accompanying transparent nits along the hair shaft.I've found using a spray
formulated for birds' lice & mites workswell if you repeat every 5 days.On the
other hand, if they're mites (the tropical rat mite), theylook like tiny red
moving dots on the skin mostly, rather than thefur. If they are mites, you will
see them everywhere-- in the cages,on the cages, near the cages, in the bedding,
on the surface holdingthe cages. But most of them won't be red since they
haven't had ablood meal yet. I had them on my bed, in my hair (I swear). They
bitme until I scratched myself raw.The No Pest Strip as mentioned in Suzie's
post worked for me,although I've heard Ivermectin is very effective if precisely
dosed. Good luck!  -Wildflower

My vet had me use Invermectin Solution because I had so many rats at
the time. Some how the lice keep coming back so I keep using the
solution.

~Susie and brood~

--- In rattastical@yahoogroups.com, Belinda <flambled@y...> wrote:
> You poor thing.  I remember when Rattilda and Sunshine
> had lice.  It was horrible.  I took me forever to get
> rid of.  The vet I take them to told me to put a
> diclorvos strip 6 inches above their cage and that
> will get rid of the lice.  He said to make sure the
> rats can not bite the strips.   He copied a page out
> of a book he has and it says to leave the strip above
> the cage for 24 hours 2 times per week for 3 weeks.
> The second option on the page was flea powders.  I
> didn't try to flea powders and the strip didn't seem
> to do anything as I expected.  I used  advantage on
> them.  I have read of many people using kitten
> advantage for lice with great results.  Of course you
> could also use ivermectin or ivomec.  Just be careful
> with the dosage.  If you give too much you could kill
> or hurt the rat.
>
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You poor thing.  I remember when Rattilda and Sunshine
had lice.  It was horrible.  I took me forever to get
rid of.  The vet I take them to told me to put a
diclorvos strip 6 inches above their cage and that
will get rid of the lice.  He said to make sure the
rats can not bite the strips.   He copied a page out
of a book he has and it says to leave the strip above
the cage for 24 hours 2 times per week for 3 weeks.
The second option on the page was flea powders.  I
didn't try to flea powders and the strip didn't seem
to do anything as I expected.  I used  advantage on
them.  I have read of many people using kitten
advantage for lice with great results.  Of course you
could also use ivermectin or ivomec.  Just be careful
with the dosage.  If you give too much you could kill
or hurt the rat.

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I cannot believe my eyes,...I found lice in the bedding, now all the
rattties are infected. HELP!!!!
I changed the bedding, disinfected everything, bathed them all several
times,...and still parasites!!!
ipscman45

I am so sorry to hear about Milo and your father.  I'm
glad Milo was there to comfort you during your time of
need after your father.  I think animals can sense our
emotions and know when we need extra lovins.  I have
turned to my dogs countless times with tears streaming
down my face.  Pets are the best shoulder I've found.
(((Hugs to you.)))

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My first rat Milo passed away yesterday. He was 2 1/2 years old. I
will be having him cremated. I was hoping I would have time to get
over my father's passing before Milo left me but no such luck. Milo
had been such a comfort to me this past week since my dad's funeral
last Thursday. He would cuddle under the covers with me and just go
nuts licking me. I would give him scritches and hold him close. I
had started doing that before my father died as I knew Milo was
getting up there in age. I am so very glad I spent that extra time
with him. Milo was a very special boy. He was the alpha male but
very much loved by the other boys. Milo loved to play peek a boo and
couldn't get enough of sweets.

~Susie~

Belinda,

We're sorry for the loss of your Smudge. =(

Lots of scritches,
~Susie and Brood~

--- In rattastical@yahoogroups.com, "Belinda" <flambled@y...> wrote:
> I took Smudge to the vet Friday.  Sadly he had to be pts.  His
tumor
> involved too many blood vessels and his jaw.  He lost alot of
blood
> and the vet said he believed it was cancerous and would most
likely
> come back soon.  He was around 18 months and I thought it was the
> best thing.  The vet said he might have no even pulled through the
> surgery anyway.  He will be missed.  I burried him in the back
yard
> with Rattilda.
>
> So now I have two girls left.  Spritely and a PEW.  Spritely is my
> dumbo I got from PetSmart.  She is adorable.  I have a pic of her
in
> the photos section.  I am still looking for a hairless dumbo
though.

I took Smudge to the vet Friday.  Sadly he had to be pts.  His tumor
involved too many blood vessels and his jaw.  He lost alot of blood
and the vet said he believed it was cancerous and would most likely
come back soon.  He was around 18 months and I thought it was the
best thing.  The vet said he might have no even pulled through the
surgery anyway.  He will be missed.  I burried him in the back yard
with Rattilda.

So now I have two girls left.  Spritely and a PEW.  Spritely is my
dumbo I got from PetSmart.  She is adorable.  I have a pic of her in
the photos section.  I am still looking for a hairless dumbo though.

Belinda,

     I can co moderate if you would like since I am back after a long time to
being available almost 24/7 for helping rats on the Internet. I sleep right
beside the computer and have the speakers full volume to hear incoming help
requests.

Gilbert


----- Original Message -----
From: "Belinda" <flambled@...>
To: <rattastical@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 6:13 PM
Subject: [rattastical] Update...


> I have three ratties now.  I am looking for a hairless dumbo.  I
> really want a male, but I just can't make myself trust any vets
> around here enough to spay my girl or nueter him.  I have found
> males at a local pet store, but no females.  I really don't want
> anymore females because of tumors.  I can't find any nearby good
> breeders, btw.  I have a boy with a bump on his face.  I thought it
> was an abcess, but it's bigger so I am going to take him to the
> vet.
>
> Have a nice day!
>
> P.S. Still looking for a co-moderator.
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
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>
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I have three ratties now.  I am looking for a hairless dumbo.  I
really want a male, but I just can't make myself trust any vets
around here enough to spay my girl or nueter him.  I have found
males at a local pet store, but no females.  I really don't want
anymore females because of tumors.  I can't find any nearby good
breeders, btw.  I have a boy with a bump on his face.  I thought it
was an abcess, but it's bigger so I am going to take him to the
vet.

Have a nice day!

P.S. Still looking for a co-moderator.

My original Milo is still with me. He is almost 2 1/2 years old. He
loves to cuddle in bed with me under the covers.

Some of my girls who are related have small lumps but they do not
require surgery at this time. They are all happy little terrors who
got hold of 3/4 of a roll of paper towels lastnight. How they
managed to get it all through their cage without waking me up is
beyond me. Their cage is right next to my side of the bed and I am
usually a very light sleeper. =D

~Susie and Brood~

All I can say is WOW! The "have a heart" traps are not working?
Perhaps a change of "bait"..... rattie treats or something like that
maybe.
Good Luck and God Bless all of your little fur balls!
ipscman45

Blizzard is still here with me,...tumor growing like the price of
gasoline at the pumps.
She is happy, and eats well,(Too well, I give her treats every time I
pass by her cage)!
Hope everyone is ok, and their ratties are healthy.
By for now.
ipscman45

Even though posts are few and far between here anymore
would anyone want to be co-moderator for this group?
I can not log on to the group when at work.  I can
check the mail and respond, but can not actually go
the the group because the site is blocked.

To keep this a bit on the rattie side, I still have
three rats.  Spritely is the only dumbo I have now.
There are TONS of dumbos available here not.  It's
unbelievable.  How are everyone elses ratties?  So far
Spritely has not been sick.  I'm really glad.  She is
a pet store rat and I haven't heard any signs of
breathing problems *knock on wood*.  Have a
rattastical day!

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Hello again,

I have one male that I allow freedom of the 2nd floor - Buckaroo.  He is very
clean. I know where he lives, & clean his "nest" regularly. I find ratties that
have a life of their own are more interesting than those confined to a cage-
they develop interesting & quirky habits & personalities, eg. One giant hooded
male ( Omar) was a coin collector!  He would pilfer coins from dressers,
pockets, purses, jars. He had a very nice collection, probably worth $50 or
more.

On the other hand, I had a cage of females escape a few months ago (1st time
ever!).  I was "lucky" to catch all but one within a few days.  Unfortunately,
Bucky was quicker than I was!  Now I have 57 babies in a rainbow of color
combos.

The remaining female ended up in the basement where I hear the pitter patter of
MANY small feet.

Does anyone have any suggestions on rounding up the escapee mom & brood?  I'm
having nightmares about what could be If I don't catch them soon (I did catch
5).

PS. I already feel irresponsible for this situation.  But honestly, it's never
happened before in the decade & a half that I've had rats. Havahart traps work
once & then the rats are just too smart to try it again.

I KNOW this must have happened with other rat lovers! Desperately need advice! 
HELP!!!!
:-(  Kate aka Wildflower

--- In rattastical@yahoogroups.com, Susie I <susie_loves_animals@y...> wrote:> >
My Cowbaby had an ulcerated tumor removed a couple months ago. Shehas healed
nicely and is back to her old self. The spoiled brat getsbaby food almost every
night in addition to her regular food. > > Maria passed away a couple of months
ago. My sweet little gal. Shehad gone blind during surgery (vet's fault. I'll
never use himagain). After that she just became very sickly and there was
nothingmy other vet could do to help her.> > I now have three that have lumps.
Lily my gorgeous Himalayan has atiny lump. Kazoo has a teeny tiny lump that is
hard (not the usualsquishy kind and it has showed no signs of growth), and Suzy
has alump. None require removal at this time (meaning the rats are not inpain or
are uncomfortable). > > Other than that and a ferret with adrenal everyone else
is doingpretty good. They keep me on my toes.> > Hope everyone is having a good
weekend. Me and my fuzzies are. =D> > ~Susie and Brood~> > >
--------------------------------- Hi,
I last asked about corn in the rattie's diet.
I'd like to share my experience with rattie lumps.I've had many females that had
mammary lumps throughout the years. These usually present in rattie middle-age.
Luckily, all of the lumps were benign, fatty tumors (which will get enormous, &
in one case weighed more than the rat herself.)  I had them all surgically
removed and in all cases the rat survived & healed well.  The surgery is
expensive for such a small beastie, however! The vets will tell you that surgery
on a small animal is more difficult than on a larger one, eg. a dog or cat.

All of my girls survived 6 months post- surgery.  That's a nice life extension,
I think.  The problem was that ALL tumors returned within 3 months (despite the
vet thinking he'd removed it entirely).  It took another 3 months before the
tumor got very large again.  By that time, the little rattie was elderly & not a
good candidate for another surgery.

Right now, my colony is healthy & I have no girls with tumors, but I'd do it
again ( surgery, that is) in a heartbeat if they do get them & I can afford it.

PS I also have ferrets & a black lab named Kazoo.  :) Kate aka Wildflower

My Cowbaby had an ulcerated tumor removed a couple months ago. She has healed
nicely and is back to her old self. The spoiled brat gets baby food almost every
night in addition to her regular food.

Maria passed away a couple of months ago. My sweet little gal. She had gone
blind during surgery (vet's fault. I'll never use him again). After that she
just became very sickly and there was nothing my other vet could do to help her.

I now have three that have lumps. Lily my gorgeous Himalayan has a tiny lump.
Kazoo has a teeny tiny lump that is hard (not the usual squishy kind and it has
showed no signs of growth), and Suzy has a lump. None require removal at this
time (meaning the rats are not in pain or are uncomfortable).

Other than that and a ferret with adrenal everyone else is doing pretty good.
They keep me on my toes.

Hope everyone is having a good weekend. Me and my fuzzies are. =D

~Susie and Brood~


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Hi everybody,...been away for a long time,...alot of things have
happened since I last posted.
Blizzard is my white albino,...a real sweetheart I rescued from a
shelter a year ago. She has a medium size lump in her reproductive
area.
She seems happy, but is sleeping alot more.
Why does it seem when you take the chance of really loving
something/someone/some little animal,...something not so nice happens?
I feel bad for my little white Blizzy.
Take care all,....the other Ratties are doing ok, Buttercup my female
butterscotch hooded dumbo(soooo cute) has her
hair thinning out, and a little wheezing/staining around one of her
eyes,...but she is happy too.
ipscman45

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you
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cats,
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Yes but not as a main ingredent in their food and that is what I meant.

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From: "Belinda" <flambled@...>
To: <rattastical@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 7:25 PM
Subject: [rattastical] Re: corn


> Fresh corn, frozen corn, and cooked corn are fine in small amounts/as
treats.
> My rats love both cooked corn and fresh corn on the cob.  My g.pig does
too. :)
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> Well speaking for the voice of two "rat experts" anyway, no it is best
> to
> avoid ALL possible corn in a rats diet.
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> Gilbert and Katrina Weant
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From http://ratfanclub.org/diet.html



Foods to Feed with Caution
carbonated beverages—rats can’t burp  (but they can fart!)
chocolate—contains stimulants that can cause heart failure or neurological
poisoning

Dried corn can contain high levels of fungal contaminates which has been shown
to cause liver cancer in rats. Corn also contains high levels of both nitrates
and amines. These two compounds can combine in the stomach to form nitrosamines
which are carcinogenic. Other foods high in nitrates include beets, celery,
eggplant, lettuce, cucumber, radishes, spinach, collards and turnip greens.
Therefore, I suggest you limit the amount of these foods in your rat’s diet.
Some fresh corn is fine, but if you feed your rats blocks, try to avoid brands
which have corn as the first ingredient.

Lots of Scritches,

~Susie and Brood~


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Links to info about corn

http://www.rmca.org/Articles/corn.htm

http://www.rmca.org/Articles/ethoxyquin.htm

Look under foods to feed with caution here:
http://ratfanclub.org/diet.html


Those are the only links I could think of off the top of my head.  I bet if you
do a google search for corn and rat diet you could find more.




Are you part of the problem? There are too many dogs and cats out there without
homes. Spay or neuter your pets.



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