Sadly due to some unfortunate circumstances
I have reduced the prices on all of my horses for sale.
All these horses are sound and healthy!!
Please make and offer if you can provide a GOOD home.
Monthly payments accepted, resonable transport available

03 Reg APHA Bay tovero colt(can geld if preferred) Super colt-Great halter
potential and Hunter or Western PL.-Super all around prospect $1500

03 Bay Reg. Half-Arabian/Paint filly-Super performance prospect-Eligible for
triple registration-Half Arabian, Quarab, Pinto BS $600.00

03 Reg. Half-Arabian Pinto colt-( can geld. if preferred) great halter
prospect for Arabian sport horses. Super performer-Eligible for triple reg.
Half-Arabian, Quarab, Pinto assoc. $1000

03 Bay Reg. Half Arabian filly-Half sister to the one listed above-Great
barrel prospect-Eligible for triple reg. Half-Arabian, Quarab, Pinto assoc. 
$800

Super 16.2h chestnut Reg. Irish TB gelding-Has competed in Preliminary
jumpers sucessfully. Great dressage potential-Has evented sucessfully at
training
level. Trainer priced him at $20K Will sacrifice $7500

03 APHA Bay Tovero Filly-Great barrel prospect-$1800

PLease e-mail for pedigrees and updated pics-Will consider trades for APHA,
AQHA mares or trail horses.




Jeanne
<A HREF="http://members.aol.com/kjequine/KJindex1.html?mtbrand=AOL_US">Website:
K.J. Equine Center</A>





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Yes, the horse under evaluation is the one in the
photo on the home page. If you go back in messages to
the post that says, Horse #whatever number we are on
Is Up, that will tell where you find more views of
the horse. I only tell the age and breed. The rest is
up to what you see in the horse. <br>I know the
founders page is not correct at the moment, our co founder
had a death in her family so she is busy taking care
of that. But usually, if you click on the founders
page link, you will see the horse and all the views.
<br>The rest of the pics are in the photo section, just
look for the persons name that I tell you in the post,
and you will find the pictures. After we evaluate a
horse, that horse's pics are deleted so we always have
fresh pics up. <br><br>So, I think that's about all
there is to it, if you have more questions, feel free
to ask. We'll get ya going! <br><br>It's been sort
of slow in there for the past lil while so we are
talking about whatever you have in mind. It's a pretty
open club, we have fun.<br><br>Boy, it's getting
colder here at night. 28 last night that I heard of. I
know I should not call that cold cause soon we wont
get that for a day time high. Oh the joys of winter -
NOT. When I retire, I will strap a snow shovel to the
front of my car and drive south till they say "What is
that?" They have never seen one! I want to go where it
does not snow, has never snowed and will never even
consider snowing! HEE HEE!! Can you tell I am not a winter
person?? :) I guess it wouldnt be bad IF it would not snow
on the roads. I hate slick icy roads. But such is
life. <br><br>You know, as I get older, Hawaii is
sounding really good! Better all the time!!<br><br>Mary

I went to the conformation site. Sorry, I can't
make heads nor tails out of it. I don't know what
horse #42 is and I can't seem to locate the Founders
Personal site. Is the photo on the home page the horse
that people are evaluating? I could see that, but it
didn't seem to fit with the discription in the messages.
Can you explain a little about where to look for
things? <br>SSF

Hi SSF, the conformations club is at
<a href=http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/conformationtalk
target=new>http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/conformationtalk</a><br>We will evaluate
any horse submitted. Yes, the
members do understand the differences between the
different breeds. But it's not what breed that is the
important thing. It's the actual conformation of the horse.
How their legs are, shoulders, neck, heads, you name
it. If it has to do with conformation, that's what we
talk about. All breeds are welcome. We do not say we
are sorry for any hurt feelings because there should
not be any. Everyone is honest in what they see. The
biggest thing we stress over and over and over is the
absolute NEED for good pictures. If you have a bad pic,
and you know it's a bad pic, dont use it! The club is
the same as a horse show only with many judges. We
see horses we like, horses we dont. And after a horse
is evaluated, when we change the pic, it's CT's
version of Brag Time! The owner is welcome and encouraged
to tell us anything and everything they would want
us to know about their horse! <br>When Tresa and I
set up Conformation Talk, we had originally planned
to use horses we got the pics of here and there on
line. But then members wanted their horses evaluated so
that's how it expanded. <br>Come on over and check it
out!<br><br>It's almost as much fun as this club!! :) This is a
good club, good people here. I like it a
lot.<br><br>Mary

Wow, another soul. LOL. I hope Cody turns out ok
and I don't screw him up. I would prefer to train
myself, but I will be working with a good trainer when I
run into problems or out of things to teach. I am
lucky that I have a good network of knowledgable
trainers and friends in my area. I will be taking lessons
once a month at minimum. I have nothing against
trainers, but as my trainer said, I needto learn to trust
my ability and go with my intuition to progress in
my riding skills. He said he wouldn't recommend me
working on my own so much if I wasn't capable. I wish
more trainers were like him. Anyway, my filly is about
90% and she has good days and bad. She still has
about four months recommended recovery time to go. I
just don't foresee her being ridden anytime soon, but
she is under two, so who knows in a couple years she
might be completely sound. I doubt it
though.<br><br>The yahoo conformation clinic is the one Mary set up.
People post pictures of their horses online and wait for
feedback. So far, It was been honest but nice. I havent
actually put my two cents in yet, but I do moniter and
learn. It is very educational. And what is nice, is that
it is usually everyday imperfect horses. Not world
champion halter. so you can learn to see some real
conformation faults instead of just reading about them. So
far, there have been different breeds, but mostly
stock type. It would be good to educate othere with
different breeds if you have any.<br>Let me know if you
need the exact web address. <br><br>Rachelle

I was just about to give up on this place. Sounds
like you've got a nice horse there. Hope you find a
good place for your filly. Will she ever be able to be
worked? Or is she destined for a life of leisure? She
sounds like a sweetie. <br>So what's this conformation
site all about? Do they critique horses and their
conformation? Is it mostly QH? Do they understand the
differences in conformation for every breed and their uses?
Fill me in, please. <br>SSF

I guess everyone is hanging out at the
conformation clinic site. Its awful addicting. I just wanted
to post an update on my horse life. It sounds like
Molly is doing better. She is a very lucky filly to
live with you. A lot of people are hopeless at nursing
care, and wouldn't follow up enough on it. <br><br>I am
trying to find a good home for my EHV-1 Filly. She is
out on a friends pasture right now and doing really
well. She's a lot stronger. But I can't keep her there
next month, and I don't have a pasture at my facility,
just a stall. I feel she needs the space to get
better, but even if she does recover, her growth was
severly stunted, and I just don't think she will be sound
enough for me for what I had bought her for. For those
of you who think I should euthanize her, she is very
pasture sound. She has always been healthy and mobile,
she just has ataxia in her hind end. She runs, bucks
and rears. She has also made improvements and has not
gone backwards. She is to healthy and full of life to
put to sleep. It also takes up to a year to recover,
and she is only at 7 month mark. I called A local
horse sanctuary and am awaiting a reply. That is my
first choice, I don't want to give her to a private
party because she could wind up overseas. Got to be
careful.<br><br>We also bought another horse. I just bit the bullet
and did it. I would rather work and train my own than
borrow someone elses. We got a great horse for a reduced
price. He is a reg. breeding stock 2 1/2 year old
gelding. Hi dad was a Quarter horse with too much white,
so he had to be registered paint. The gelding's
pedigree is all quarter otherwise. We call him Cody. He is
Topsail Cody, Doc Bar, Isla Tivio, King Fritz and Picnica
just to name a few. All on front papers. His pedigree
is full of Champion performance horses. I bought him
for my husband. He had already been started as a
reiner, but wasn't "snappy" enough. He can sure move out
when asked,though. But he does have a real kick back
attitude and is a sweet heart. Perfect for my husband. So,
I'm back in the saddle, and it feels good. Just in
time for winter. How is the weather in your States?
Our horses are growing there coats
already.<br><br>Rachelle

It's been about 3 weeks of daily irrigations and
dressing changes. The wound has granulated in well,
healing slowly from the inside out. I left it open
yesterday, looked pretty good when I put her away last
night, I'll find out soon how the night went without a
dressing on. I'm sure it's going to be fine as long as she
doesn't reinjure the sensitive new tissue. <br>SSF

Molly's wound is looking much better. She
finished the antibiotic a day ago. Swelling down, no
lameness, no more thick drainage, and that nasty foul odor
is gone. I've still been keeping it dressed, but I
think as soon as the rain stops and things dry up a bit
I will probably leave it open to the air. It's
actually looking pretty good. <br>SSF

I had her in the pasture, went to bring her in
for the night and she was lame. Wouldn't put any
weight on that foot (she hasn't walked lame the whole
time, not even in the first days of the injury) the
pasturn slightly swollen. When I changed the dressing
there was a lot of thick purulent drainage. I irrigated
with H2O2 (peroxide) and water, LOTS OF FOAMING.
DRAT!!!!<br>She was due for her 2nd tetnus shot, so I gave that
then off to the vet I went. Picked up some more
antibiotic, decided I better do twice a day dressing changes
for a while until the thick drainage is gone. She was
walking slow but using that foot the next day, yesterday
she was even running and bucking again. Monday will
be 3 weeks since she got the wound, it has healed
slowly, but it has healed from the inside out. She's not
quite healed enough to leave it open without a
dressing, but it won't be long now. <br>Send your possitive
energy her way!!<br>SSF

Well, it's healing. I'm still keeping it dressed
a while longer, fly season is nearly over. (forcast
is for lows in the 20's and 30's and highs in the
40's and 50's for the rest of this week). It looks a
bit funky right now, but if it could be left open to
the air I'm sure it would improve quickly. No signs
of infection so that is good, however it is going to
leave a nasty scar. I don't care what it looks like as
long as she is sound and healthy. She's a family
horse, not a show horse. <br>Thanks for asking. I've
been going to write an update, just didn't get around
to it. <br>SSF

How's Molly? It's been several days and no word, just curious and hoping all is
well there,<br><br>Mary

Well it had been 48 hours and Molly was due for
her first dressing change. Had my son hold her while
I changed it, she stood like a rock. The wound is
begining to heal, but as the vet predicted the sutures
didn't hold, the laceration had pulled apart and is
gaping a bit, but it's clean, not bleeding, and the
tissue is pink. All good signs. She'll have to be on
stall rest for a while yet so she don't rip those
arteries back open, but it's looking good so far. <br>SSF

Sorry about Miss Molly. At least you were there
to help her and knew what to do. I am getting things
ready for my new tack room, and one of the "must have"
items is a first aid kit. I am going to add kotex pads
to mine, so thanks for passing on your story. It
just lets everyone know to be prepared. <br><br>I'm
sure you already know, but be real rewarding with the
shots amd meds. My little EHV-1 filly was really good
in the beginning two. It took her a long time after
to accept that our presence was not a bad thing. I
still have to twitch and blindfold her for shots and
worming. (I pellet worm her daily now) I don't always
agree with that method, but it is better than jacking
her all up and making her run around. (she is still
wobbly, so I don't like to tax her). For the wormer, I
need to dump an old syrynge in her grain bucket, at
least that will passively desinsitize her. Anyway, so
sorry on your little girl. I hope all works
out.<br><br>Rachelle

Poor little thing (my yearling) got a nasty
laceration on the front of the pastern on the rear foot. A
diagonal cut that goes into the hoof (through the
coronet). She was bleeding so bad, by the time I got
bandages there was a large puddle of blood under her foot.
I put on a pressure dressing and as I was wrapping
it blood was soaking through each layer. I called
the vet and he was here within 20 minutes. When he
unwrapped the bandage, blood squirted out like in a horror
show. She had severed 3 arteries, he sutured the
laceration and now she is on stall rest for a while until
that has a chance to heal. The way the laceration is,
the vet doesn't think the sutures will hold, so she
has to be kept confined and quiet and keep the foot
wrapped well until it is healing. Poor little girl, she
is taking the whole thing quite well, especially
when I think about how she couldn't be handled at all
just a few months ago. Now she's getting shots every
day and having her sore foot messed with all the
time, and she accepts it quite well.

Hi! The info is basically OK, but Lipica is in
Slovenia. We separated from Yugoslavia in 1991. Slovenia is
located next to Italy, Austria, Hungary and Croatia
(don't confuse it with Slovakia - totally different
country).<br>The web site of the breeding center in Lipica is
<a href=http://www.k-lipica.si target=new>http://www.k-lipica.si</a> - they also
have pages in English (and German and
Italian).<br>Hope this helps; if you want more information that I
can find here in Slovenia, you can mail me at
horselover_si@... .<br><br>Petra

Hi, <br>this info comes from, "The Ultimate horse
book," by Elwyn Hartley Edwards. Here are some exerps:
The Breed takes its name from Lipizza (Lipica), now
yugoslavia, where it originated and is still bred. The stud
and the breed were founded in 1580 when nine Spanish
stallions and 24 mares were imported from the Iberian
Peninsula at the command of the Archduke Charles
II.<br><br>The color is uniformaly white, although foals are
born BLACK or BROWN. Ocassionally, bay occurs. By
tradition, a bay is always kept at the spanish school.
<br><br>Let me know if you need more info, This book is
great, even for the experienced horseman because it
shows and gives good detail of most breeds of horses.
It is coffee table quality. I got mine in a used
book store and have used it for information many
times. I would highly recommend it.<br><br>Rachelle

Does anyone know the background of the Lipizan
Stallions? (i.e. where did they originate, are they born
pure white...) Please let me know where I can find
this information.<br>Thank you<br>"confused"

Hey I would like to see pictures of his birds...
hope they don't sprout wings and fly away with him.
Although a flying horse would be quite valuable, it would
be hard to keep him in the pasture. hehehe<br>SSF

My blue eyed stallion has black eyeliner and
throws that to his babies. So I do have a white face but
also have neet streaks of white hair with black skin
under it. Looks like lightning on his jaws. I don't
prefer a blue eyed horse with white around the eye
either. Anne

I personally love blue eyed horses. My paint
stallion has them and throws partials to his foals. Some
of my friends hate them but I love the extra
expression in them. And I have seen no difference in his or
any other blue eyed horses sight. If anything they
seen to see things others haven't. I also love the
overo paint horse. I love the splash of white in the
middle of a brown or black or buckskin horse. And my
colt has an eagle on one side and a duck head on the
other. Top that for discussion on a solid horse.So maybe
this will start the ball rolling on talk again???
Happy trails. Anne

Our thoughts, our prayers, our hearts are with
those innocent victims & their loved ones from the
horrible attack on America on Tuesday, Sept.11,2001.
Nothing will ever be the same. Our lives are forever
changed. We are all in a state of grief, shock & horror
over the horrendous attack on America. Let us all help
eachother in any way we can.God Bless America!

Yes, I know what you mean. It has amazed me at
the number of people who are online that do things
just "cause everyone else does it". In horses, you
need to know WHY you are doing it, not just that it's
what everyone else is doing. We see the same thing in
breeding, you ask why you bred to a certain horse, well
he's pretty. They have no clue as to what the
resulting foal will look like and really dont care what
they are breeding! A person needs to know WHY they are
doing something, what the goal is. Have a purpose in
mind! And it seems everyone has to have a stallion even
tho the horse they are using has absolutely no reason
to be left a stud. But, that is a total other story.
<br>When my horses need shoes, they are shod. The rest of
the time, if we are not using them, they are
barefoot. Shoes are a great way to protect the hoof, but
they also benefit greatly from just being barefoot. I
think the thing that gripes me more than about anything
else is when someone gets a horse, tacks a set of
shoes on it and then never looks at them again. The
feet grow out and have no way to wear off. Or another
one, the person that says how much their horse is
worth, yet totally neglects the feet. If the horse is
worth what they claim, then shouldnt that horse be
worthy of spending a few bucks and getting foot care?
<br>I know, I can get on a tangent so I will hush for
now. <br><br>Mary

I'm not saying I'm against shoes all together,
god forbid, I would go even broker if I wouldn't put
shoes on any horse. I just think a lot of people don't
even know why they want shoes on their horses. I get
many many people who say things like "the horse had
shoes on when I bought him" or "everyone else shoes
their horses" when I ask why they want their horse
shod. To those people (who are weekend trail riders) I
will suggest a good trim (during which I examine the
hoof for excessive cracks, bruises, abcesses, founder
etc.) and try the horse barefoot for a while. Most of
the time they are able to go barefoot without any
problem, some are still tender when ridden and those I go
back and shoe. I just think a lot of people put shoes
on as a sort of status symbol, to prove
something...I just don't know what.<br>SSF

Ok, here's my answers to your questions, Good
topic for talk tho, this one never fails =).<br><br>1.
My favorite color of horse, well, I would have to
say a good deep red chestnut. Next would be a dark
gold palomino.<br><br>2. My favorite breed has to be
the American Quarter Horse. As for why, well, there
is a horse for every need, no matter what you have
in mind, there is a Quarter Horse for that occasion.
Love the versatility of them. And besides, in cutting,
you see FAR more quarter horses than any other breed
and there IS a reason for that! <br><br>3. Does my
horse have shoes? Not at the moment. Yes I do believe
in having a horse shod when the situation calls for
it. And horses have different feet, some need shoes
more often than others. And it depends if you are
wanting to keep a good shape foot on your horse. Todays
horses do not travel as they used to so they are not
wearing their feet down as nature intended. We have a few
mares here that have never had their feet trimmed in
their lives, but they travel enough over dry rocky
country to keep them worn down. A lot of todays horses
are kept stalled or in small irrigated or wet
pastures. Their feet have to be attended to.<br><br>4.Eye
color. Well, I really dont know except to say I really
do not care for blue eyes on a horse. <br><br>5.
Over the hill? Hmm, good question. We retired our main
stallion at 16, and he is now 22 but I do not consider him
over the hill. I think that question is different on
every horse as to the way they hold up physically. If
you were to see Zim in the flesh, you would think he
was 14 or 15. We have had quite a few people come and
think he was that age. So, for him, 22 is not over the
hill. If a horse is failing phyiscally, then he's over
the hill. <br><br>Ok, to the final question as to why
horses are shod for shoeing. I can only speak of why
cutting horses are shod since I dont show anything else.
In cutting, we like shoes on the front feet, and
only on a rare occasion do we put shoes on the rear.
It's cause the front really can take a beating if your
arena is not what it should be. And we have shown in
arenas that have crippled horses, its not a lot of fun.
Tacking a set of shoes on a horse to prevent injury of
that sort is a small thing to do. Back when I was a
kid, we rode on lots of rocky areas or on pavement
when crossing a road, I used to wear out a set of heel
and toe calk shoes in less than 6 weeks, If my horse
had not had shoes on, he would have not had any feet
left. Another reason to tack on a set of shoes is to
keep a good foot shape on your horse, not let him get
all pan footed. There are a lot of very good valid
reasons to put shoes on a horse. <br><br>Ok, there's my
opinion. =)<br><br>Mary

Hi there;<br>I know of a cutting mare that is for sale in CA... If you would
like for info... please contact me at equisale2001 at yahoo dot com.

Hi SSF,<br><br>I have been real busy hustling
horse deals and rides. I backed out of that one cutting
horse deal w/ my friends. Her Husband was chirping
about liability and expecting top dollar out of an
untrained animal just because of papers. I saw a big
headache coming on and referred them to two other trainers
in our area.<br>Also been riding here and there.
Just looking for another horse but every one I look at
seems to have some problem. <br><br>Anyway, Favorite
horse color. If the horse is awsome, I don't care if
it's purple. Just kidding. I guess I prefer a real
rich mahogany bay, with solid black points. My worst
is some appy color patterns. Don't realy care for
roans much either. <br><br>My favorite breed depends on
what dicipline I am doing. When I compete English, I
prefer Thorobred or TB/Quarter cross.<br><br>Western, I
prefer Quarterhorse, then Paints because of bloodlines,
the paints are catching up though, but thats because
they are being re-crossed with the quarters. <br>My
horses have shoes because there feet need them. Our
older gelding when ridden lightly can go without, but
he has a crack working up one of his hooves, so next
time around, we will shoe the front and leave him
barefoot in the back. The pony goes barefoot as does my
yearling. But they get trimmed about every 7-8 weeks. or as
needed. <br><br>As far as eye color is concerned. I know
people don't care for blue eyes in paints, they prefer
brown, but I have read articles that say that they see
just as well as a brown eyed horse. If there is a blue
eye, there is white skin, and this is susceptable to
sun burn and might cause sensitivity. to the
blue-eyed horse. I think blue eyes are cool, but on a show
animal, I would prefer brown. I don't like a brown
wall-eye though. Makes them look scared all the
time.<br>It all depends when a horse is over-the-hill. We
have a 22 year old gelding that still cutts the rug,
and I have seen younger horses fade out fast early
on. I feel they are just like people, Only as old as
they feel. If I were to buy, I wouldn't buy older than
8-9. But that is me, I do different things than
others. <br><br>Rachelle

I am trying to get a discussion going here on
ANYTHING. So I'll try again with a simple question.
<br><br>What color of horse is your favorite?<br><br>What is
your favorite breed (and why)?<br><br>Do you have
shoes on your horse(s)? Why?<br><br>Do you think there
is a difference between blue eyed horses and their
behaviors and the brown eyed horses? <br><br>At what age do
you think a horse is "over the hill"?<br><br>Take
your pick or come up with your own idea, I'm just
trying to keep this club active. <br><br>I'll comment on
the shoes question...I do currently have shoes on my
arab. I put them on him as part of a demonstration and
left them on for going on the wagon train. Shoes are
necessary on the wagon train because we cover so many miles
their feet would be worn down to nothing if they were
left barefoot. However I really believe in leaving a
horse go barefoot whenever possible and in general I do
not shoe my horses. I don't understand why horses are
shod for showing either. Barefoot would show the
horse's soundness better. (Can you tell I don't show
horses.)<br>SSF

O.K. SSF my opinion is pretty much the same as
yours. However, I don't beleive I can everbe accused of
keeping any of mine too light!(hehehe) If I see one
getting a bit pudgy I cut their grain in half, especially
young growing horses, being overweight causes too many
leg problems induced by too much feed and way too
little exercise. Mind now , I have some mares broad as
barn doors, (that's muscle not a fat belly.... well
maybe some of them have bellys being that they are
pregnant an all). If a horse stays fat too easy I tend to
have their thyroid checked out by the vet, especially
if they have some age on them, same for the too
skinny ones that all other avenues of fixing the too
skinny have failed. <br><br>Healthy looking horses ,
that's what I like. If they are well fed they wil look
healthy, reguardless of their build or body type. :) THF

I think 100 lbs. is TOO MUCH to be under or over
wt. for a horse. I'd personally, rather see a horse a
tad bit OVER WT., rather than under wt. It can be
hard to put wt. on a horse, whereas, an over wt. horse
can be worked a bit extra and/or fed a bit less.
Happy Trails(thunderrstar2)